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We used the GPL about 3 yrs ago for the casein and gluten test and were

extremely appreciative to Dr Shaw for having created the test. I did not do the

full panel though and cannot remember why. Maybe it was not available?

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> My daughter and I attended the CASD conference. We are interested in

> knowing if anyone has used the The Great Plains Laboratory for testing and we

also

> would like to know how helpful the information from the testing results was

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We used the GPL about 3 yrs ago for the casein and gluten test and were

extremely appreciative to Dr Shaw for having created the test. I did not do the

full panel though and cannot remember why. Maybe it was not available?

In a message dated 6/3/03 12:26:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

msanch3@... writes:

> My daughter and I attended the CASD conference. We are interested in

> knowing if anyone has used the The Great Plains Laboratory for testing and we

also

> would like to know how helpful the information from the testing results was

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Hi,

My wife and I did several tests including the Food allergy profile at Great

Plains. In retrospect, we feel the information we gained was invaluable.

At 2 1/2 years old, my son would only agree to eat 4 foods- peanut butter,

Mc's french fries, yogurt and milk. Food testing revealed strong

reactions for all of those foods.

So we put him on a diet that removed ALL of the foods he had strong

reactions to- which included the 4 foods he only wanted to eat. Using ABA,

we prompted him to learn to eat alternative foods that he did not react to.

The biggest impact was from when we removed Dairy, but we also saw

substantial improvement from removing Wheat AND other foods on his Food

Allergy profile.

We think the food testing is ESSENTIAL. Because if you remove just Gluten

or just Gluten and Casein,... you may still be feeding them foods they have

reactions to. This could manifest itself in the results such that you may

see no benefit from being on the diet (and simply think the diet itself is

not working). Dietary treatment without the Food Allergy testing is like

" shooting in the dark " , ... you don't really know what you are aiming at and

you won't know if you hit the target or not.

I must include, that there is still controversy in the " medical community "

as to whether food allergys are " True " allergies or not. Some believe they

are simply false positives (not truly an allergy).

But, I like to point out that there are a growing number of kids and people

with an " allergy " to peanuts, and eating the tiniest amount can trigger a

response leading to death (some kids have died form eating peanuts). So did

they have a " true " allergy to peanuts or not?

What we found in OUR son is that different foods AFFECT him negatively.

Removing those foods helps him to be more alert, regulates his bowel

movements and normalizes his behavior. Whether or not he has any " true "

allergies to foods is nothing but semantics to us.

Good luck,

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

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You CAN treat Autism!! Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and

Aperger's Syndrome from parents who have successfully helped their children.

Biomedical Treatments

My daughter and I attended the CASD conference. We are interested in knowing

if anyone has used the The Great Plains Laboratory for testing and we also

would like to know how helpful the information from the testing results was.

Fitzgerald

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Hi,

My wife and I did several tests including the Food allergy profile at Great

Plains. In retrospect, we feel the information we gained was invaluable.

At 2 1/2 years old, my son would only agree to eat 4 foods- peanut butter,

Mc's french fries, yogurt and milk. Food testing revealed strong

reactions for all of those foods.

So we put him on a diet that removed ALL of the foods he had strong

reactions to- which included the 4 foods he only wanted to eat. Using ABA,

we prompted him to learn to eat alternative foods that he did not react to.

The biggest impact was from when we removed Dairy, but we also saw

substantial improvement from removing Wheat AND other foods on his Food

Allergy profile.

We think the food testing is ESSENTIAL. Because if you remove just Gluten

or just Gluten and Casein,... you may still be feeding them foods they have

reactions to. This could manifest itself in the results such that you may

see no benefit from being on the diet (and simply think the diet itself is

not working). Dietary treatment without the Food Allergy testing is like

" shooting in the dark " , ... you don't really know what you are aiming at and

you won't know if you hit the target or not.

I must include, that there is still controversy in the " medical community "

as to whether food allergys are " True " allergies or not. Some believe they

are simply false positives (not truly an allergy).

But, I like to point out that there are a growing number of kids and people

with an " allergy " to peanuts, and eating the tiniest amount can trigger a

response leading to death (some kids have died form eating peanuts). So did

they have a " true " allergy to peanuts or not?

What we found in OUR son is that different foods AFFECT him negatively.

Removing those foods helps him to be more alert, regulates his bowel

movements and normalizes his behavior. Whether or not he has any " true "

allergies to foods is nothing but semantics to us.

Good luck,

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

http://www.autismtreatment.info/ <http://www.autismtreatment.info/>

You CAN treat Autism!! Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and

Aperger's Syndrome from parents who have successfully helped their children.

Biomedical Treatments

My daughter and I attended the CASD conference. We are interested in knowing

if anyone has used the The Great Plains Laboratory for testing and we also

would like to know how helpful the information from the testing results was.

Fitzgerald

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Amen, ! I can't tell you how many times I've gotten called by desparate

parents after their children regressed only to find out that so many

different supplements and treatments were started at once that there's no way to

determine what may have triggered the problems. It is so important to go slow

with

these kids both to ensure that their bodies can tolerate a specific

supplement or treatment and to not overwhelm their systems.

I do find it interesting though that if what you're listing as the generic

protocol steps from the DAN conference is what they are recommending now, why do

so many DAN doctors try to pressure parents into jumping into a lot of

supplements right in the beginning? I was shocked at TCART's biomedical

conference

when Dr. McCandless, who I consider to be a very knowledgable and caring

doctor, spouted off a huge list of supplements she urged that every parent in

the

audience get their kids on right away without having a clue as to what was

going on with each child. I know they're eager to help the kids but it really

seems dangerous in my opinion.

Biomedical can be extremely helpful for these kids but it does need to be

done slowly and carefully, with much monitoring and individualization.

Gaylen

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Amen, ! I can't tell you how many times I've gotten called by desparate

parents after their children regressed only to find out that so many

different supplements and treatments were started at once that there's no way to

determine what may have triggered the problems. It is so important to go slow

with

these kids both to ensure that their bodies can tolerate a specific

supplement or treatment and to not overwhelm their systems.

I do find it interesting though that if what you're listing as the generic

protocol steps from the DAN conference is what they are recommending now, why do

so many DAN doctors try to pressure parents into jumping into a lot of

supplements right in the beginning? I was shocked at TCART's biomedical

conference

when Dr. McCandless, who I consider to be a very knowledgable and caring

doctor, spouted off a huge list of supplements she urged that every parent in

the

audience get their kids on right away without having a clue as to what was

going on with each child. I know they're eager to help the kids but it really

seems dangerous in my opinion.

Biomedical can be extremely helpful for these kids but it does need to be

done slowly and carefully, with much monitoring and individualization.

Gaylen

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In a message dated 7/28/03 10:31:48 AM Central Daylight Time,

jreirdon@... writes:

> But, I disagree with one point you made- that " I know they're eager to help

> the kids but it really seems dangerous in my opinion. "

>

>

Yes, that did sound a bit too strong when I re-read it. Don't get me wrong.

I am wholeheartedly for wholistic and DAN-type treatments and have found them

to be extremely helpful with my son and many many others. However, there is

a current trend among some DAN docs of jumping into many different supplements

and treatments all at once which I feel can be harmful (more short-term, not

death or major illness in most cases) to the child's health and progress.

Often the regression or problems last for a few weeks or less but sometimes they

can linger for several months or more. Many of these kids have dysregulated

immune systems which can be thrown off further by the wrong supplement or

treatment, leading to further dysregulation or a crash that is difficult to come

back from. If you think of it as more of a balancing act, then treating in more

of a sequential form rather than throwing tons of stuff at the kid all at

once makes more sense.

Gaylen

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In a message dated 7/28/03 10:31:48 AM Central Daylight Time,

jreirdon@... writes:

> But, I disagree with one point you made- that " I know they're eager to help

> the kids but it really seems dangerous in my opinion. "

>

>

Yes, that did sound a bit too strong when I re-read it. Don't get me wrong.

I am wholeheartedly for wholistic and DAN-type treatments and have found them

to be extremely helpful with my son and many many others. However, there is

a current trend among some DAN docs of jumping into many different supplements

and treatments all at once which I feel can be harmful (more short-term, not

death or major illness in most cases) to the child's health and progress.

Often the regression or problems last for a few weeks or less but sometimes they

can linger for several months or more. Many of these kids have dysregulated

immune systems which can be thrown off further by the wrong supplement or

treatment, leading to further dysregulation or a crash that is difficult to come

back from. If you think of it as more of a balancing act, then treating in more

of a sequential form rather than throwing tons of stuff at the kid all at

once makes more sense.

Gaylen

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In a message dated 7/28/03 12:00:24 PM Central Daylight Time,

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> the reason our doctor suggesting starting them all at

> once was for that reason: " they will not hurt the

> ----when your child is under 5, you feel like

> you're racing against a clock (the time he turns 5),

> when supposedly they don't respond as well to

> treatments.

I have seen many many kids over the age of 5 respond well to treatments. In

fact, my son has responded better to treatments as he's gotten older and

stronger. Then again, we became much more careful about introducing things one

at

a time as he became older too. I understand there is a tendency to want to

hurry since you feel like you are racing against the clock. In many cases, the

kids are fine and respond well to the supplements and treatments or revert

back to their old selves immediately after they are stopped, but in some cases

it

causes problems that can linger for much longer than most parents would feel

comfortable. Unfortunately, there is really no way to know up front which

kids are going to do fine and which will regress.

In the case of what you're using, the assertion that " it will not hurt the

child " may be true but sometimes docs say this without really knowing what the

things will do -- especially with newer treatments. Then later, they

backtrack. I really don't want to sound like I'm trying to dissuade anyone from

trying

biomedical or scare anyone but experience has shown me that jumping into too

many treatments and supplements can lead to regressions and health problems in

SOME kids.

Gaylen

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In a message dated 7/28/03 12:00:24 PM Central Daylight Time,

sebas_irv@... writes:

> the reason our doctor suggesting starting them all at

> once was for that reason: " they will not hurt the

> ----when your child is under 5, you feel like

> you're racing against a clock (the time he turns 5),

> when supposedly they don't respond as well to

> treatments.

I have seen many many kids over the age of 5 respond well to treatments. In

fact, my son has responded better to treatments as he's gotten older and

stronger. Then again, we became much more careful about introducing things one

at

a time as he became older too. I understand there is a tendency to want to

hurry since you feel like you are racing against the clock. In many cases, the

kids are fine and respond well to the supplements and treatments or revert

back to their old selves immediately after they are stopped, but in some cases

it

causes problems that can linger for much longer than most parents would feel

comfortable. Unfortunately, there is really no way to know up front which

kids are going to do fine and which will regress.

In the case of what you're using, the assertion that " it will not hurt the

child " may be true but sometimes docs say this without really knowing what the

things will do -- especially with newer treatments. Then later, they

backtrack. I really don't want to sound like I'm trying to dissuade anyone from

trying

biomedical or scare anyone but experience has shown me that jumping into too

many treatments and supplements can lead to regressions and health problems in

SOME kids.

Gaylen

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I agree with you in principle that all of the treatments shouldn't be

started at once, to allow seeing what does and does not work and to know if

one thing is or is not causing a reaction.

But, I disagree with one point you made- that " I know they're eager to help

the kids but it really

seems dangerous in my opinion. "

I think this is a little strong, most of these treatments are MUCH safer

than say..... injecting a day old child with a serum containing a weakend

infectious agent, Mercury (a proven neurotoxin), and several known

carcinogenic chemicals with undetermined amounts and numbers of viruses from

the animal tissues it was grown in and strained through!!!! ;)

After all, I haven't heard of ANY children having severe adverse reactions

(or death) to any of the approved Biomedical treatments on the DAN protocol.

So, as I said, I agree with you in principle, but I think the biggest danger

of dumping all these Biomedical treatments at once is perhaps digestion

problems or not knowing what is responsible for the success or failure of a

given treatment.

Anyone, disagree? or heard of any deaths or severe adverse reactions to

these treatments we are talking about?

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

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Re: biomedical treatments

Amen, ! I can't tell you how many times I've gotten called by

desparate

parents after their children regressed only to find out that so many

different supplements and treatments were started at once that there's no

way to

determine what may have triggered the problems. It is so important to go

slow with

these kids both to ensure that their bodies can tolerate a specific

supplement or treatment and to not overwhelm their systems.

I do find it interesting though that if what you're listing as the generic

protocol steps from the DAN conference is what they are recommending now,

why do

so many DAN doctors try to pressure parents into jumping into a lot of

supplements right in the beginning? I was shocked at TCART's biomedical

conference

when Dr. McCandless, who I consider to be a very knowledgable and caring

doctor, spouted off a huge list of supplements she urged that every parent

in the

audience get their kids on right away without having a clue as to what was

going on with each child. I know they're eager to help the kids but it

really

seems dangerous in my opinion.

Biomedical can be extremely helpful for these kids but it does need to be

done slowly and carefully, with much monitoring and individualization.

Gaylen

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I agree with you in principle that all of the treatments shouldn't be

started at once, to allow seeing what does and does not work and to know if

one thing is or is not causing a reaction.

But, I disagree with one point you made- that " I know they're eager to help

the kids but it really

seems dangerous in my opinion. "

I think this is a little strong, most of these treatments are MUCH safer

than say..... injecting a day old child with a serum containing a weakend

infectious agent, Mercury (a proven neurotoxin), and several known

carcinogenic chemicals with undetermined amounts and numbers of viruses from

the animal tissues it was grown in and strained through!!!! ;)

After all, I haven't heard of ANY children having severe adverse reactions

(or death) to any of the approved Biomedical treatments on the DAN protocol.

So, as I said, I agree with you in principle, but I think the biggest danger

of dumping all these Biomedical treatments at once is perhaps digestion

problems or not knowing what is responsible for the success or failure of a

given treatment.

Anyone, disagree? or heard of any deaths or severe adverse reactions to

these treatments we are talking about?

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

Webmaster

http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/>

Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

Re: biomedical treatments

Amen, ! I can't tell you how many times I've gotten called by

desparate

parents after their children regressed only to find out that so many

different supplements and treatments were started at once that there's no

way to

determine what may have triggered the problems. It is so important to go

slow with

these kids both to ensure that their bodies can tolerate a specific

supplement or treatment and to not overwhelm their systems.

I do find it interesting though that if what you're listing as the generic

protocol steps from the DAN conference is what they are recommending now,

why do

so many DAN doctors try to pressure parents into jumping into a lot of

supplements right in the beginning? I was shocked at TCART's biomedical

conference

when Dr. McCandless, who I consider to be a very knowledgable and caring

doctor, spouted off a huge list of supplements she urged that every parent

in the

audience get their kids on right away without having a clue as to what was

going on with each child. I know they're eager to help the kids but it

really

seems dangerous in my opinion.

Biomedical can be extremely helpful for these kids but it does need to be

done slowly and carefully, with much monitoring and individualization.

Gaylen

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I agree, it does make more sense with an " add one at a time " approach.

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

Webmaster

http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/>

Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

Re: biomedical treatments

In a message dated 7/28/03 10:31:48 AM Central Daylight Time,

jreirdon@... writes:

> But, I disagree with one point you made- that " I know they're eager to

help

> the kids but it really seems dangerous in my opinion. "

>

>

Yes, that did sound a bit too strong when I re-read it. Don't get me wrong.

I am wholeheartedly for wholistic and DAN-type treatments and have found

them

to be extremely helpful with my son and many many others. However, there is

a current trend among some DAN docs of jumping into many different

supplements

and treatments all at once which I feel can be harmful (more short-term, not

death or major illness in most cases) to the child's health and progress.

Often the regression or problems last for a few weeks or less but sometimes

they

can linger for several months or more. Many of these kids have dysregulated

immune systems which can be thrown off further by the wrong supplement or

treatment, leading to further dysregulation or a crash that is difficult to

come

back from. If you think of it as more of a balancing act, then treating in

more

of a sequential form rather than throwing tons of stuff at the kid all at

once makes more sense.

Gaylen

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I agree, it does make more sense with an " add one at a time " approach.

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

Webmaster

http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/>

Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

Re: biomedical treatments

In a message dated 7/28/03 10:31:48 AM Central Daylight Time,

jreirdon@... writes:

> But, I disagree with one point you made- that " I know they're eager to

help

> the kids but it really seems dangerous in my opinion. "

>

>

Yes, that did sound a bit too strong when I re-read it. Don't get me wrong.

I am wholeheartedly for wholistic and DAN-type treatments and have found

them

to be extremely helpful with my son and many many others. However, there is

a current trend among some DAN docs of jumping into many different

supplements

and treatments all at once which I feel can be harmful (more short-term, not

death or major illness in most cases) to the child's health and progress.

Often the regression or problems last for a few weeks or less but sometimes

they

can linger for several months or more. Many of these kids have dysregulated

immune systems which can be thrown off further by the wrong supplement or

treatment, leading to further dysregulation or a crash that is difficult to

come

back from. If you think of it as more of a balancing act, then treating in

more

of a sequential form rather than throwing tons of stuff at the kid all at

once makes more sense.

Gaylen

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I would like to add my two cents to this discussion. I believe that

biomedical treatments are one of the most important things you can

do for an autistic child. At least it was for my 28 months old son.

I agree that ABA therapy is a more powerful tool when you apply it

to a healthy child. If you child is sick and in pain it will be more

difficult to teach him and progress will be slow. But implementing a

biomedical treatment plan can be very difficult and frustrating. You

should always add one supplement at a time to make sure that your

child can tolerate it. But even that is no guarantee. Sometimes it

would take my son three to four weeks to react to a supplement and

by that time I had already added more vitamins. So I would have to

stop and restart all over again. However, he would usually respond

well to the supplement the second time around. I took me from

January to April to get my son to tolerate all his supplements. That

shows you how sick he was. So giving yourself a deadline of one

month is completely unrealistic. If you are serious about

implementing a supplementation plan you need time and patience.

However, it pays off at the end. I have a completely different child

now. He is doing tremendous progress at his ABA therapy. He has gone

from a speech level of 9 to 12 months to 20 months during this 6-

month period. And this period includes all the regressions he had

because of intolerance to any given supplement! And believe me there

were many. He has also been in the GFCF diet since he was 20 months

old and we are currently chelating with DMSA. He goes to bed at

8:30 - 9:00 pm and sleeps straight until 7:30 am and that was a

direct benefit of the diet since I added the supplements two months

after starting the diet. Maybe my son is different but I have solid

and measurable results that I can directly link to the diet and

supplementation.

I recommend finding a DAN doctor to help you with the plan, it can

be quite overwhelming to do it on your own. I am working with Dr.

Arturo Volpe here in Houston and I don't think I could have made it

without his help. Also keep in mind that the plan is a work-in-

progress and you may need to review from time to time. I had to

change mine at least four times during the 6-month period.

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