does anyone else like to blame vaccines and other environmental toxins?

[Guest guest]

hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see how many

of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

children's speech delays and other issues.

[Guest guest]

I absolutely believe heavy metals are a problem at least for some

kids. My daughter with apraxia had 4-5 full doses of thimerosal,

while my second daughter (NT) had none. Meg did have an illness

that I think contributed to her problems too (speech progression

halted for a year after an illness with high fever for 3-4 days)

You could open a poll if you really want to get everyone's opinion!

Here are a couple of links.

1. Thimerosal's material safety data sheet

http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/6.18.pdf

" Exposure to mercury in utero and in children may cause mild to

severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination

impairment. "

2. Verstraeten email and original data

http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.7.pdf

http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.16.pdf

From putchildrenfirst.org:

" Dr. Verstraeten was responsible for the preliminary analysis of the

CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink to determine if a relationship existed

between Thimerosal and autism. The " It " in Dr. Verstraeten's subject

line of " It just won't go away " is the correlation between

Thimerosal and autism. Dr. Verstraten also notes that " all the harm

is done in the first month. "

Dr. Verstraeten's email is a working email describing the analysis

he is doing with references to spreadsheets that contain specific

data. Not until a recent FOIA was that data available which you can

now see here. This new information, through the data known

as " Generation Zero " , highlights just how extreme the correlations

were between Thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders.

As one example, on the first page of the spreadsheet, if you look

under the " 2990 " category for autism, it shows a 7.62 incidence for

children who receive the largest mercury dose in month 1,

called " HgCat1 (3) " , a highly statistically-significant correlation. "

If you scroll down the spreadsheet, you'll also see there are

significant correlations to autism, tics, tic disorders, sleep

disorders, night terrors, ADD, ADHD, speech and language disorders,

and coordination disorder.

Kerri

>

> hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see how

many

> of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> children's speech delays and other issues.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

>

> hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see how many

> of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> children's speech delays and other issues.

>

[Guest guest]

This is a controversial subject whenever I get together with my SIL

who works for the CDC. Why does a newborn need to get a shot before

leaving the hospital?

My 3 daughters had less shots than my youngest son, who developed

apraxia at the age of 2. We had moved and I had a new

pediatrician. The kids were starting a new school and I trusted my

new ped with the vaccine schedule. Fortunately for me I removed the

metals from my son's body and the brain fog dissipated.

I question my SIL all the time . . . is the disease worse than the

vaccine? No studies have been completed, but more and more parents

have decided to use a vaccine waiver. Others have stopped vaccines

and will contine to re-vaccinate after the child has reached 6 years

old.

In 2006, thimerasol has been removed from many vaccines, but parents

must read the pamphlet to make sure. I have an older daughter

attending college and she won't be able to live in the dorms until

she is vaccinated for MENINGOCOCCAL DISEASE. Vaccination does not

eliminate risk because a) the vaccine confers no protection against

serogroup B disease and although the vaccine is highly effective

against serogroups C, Y, W-135, and A, efficacy is <100%.

I think Big Brother is controlling many of our lives . . but due to

so many students studying abroad we need to protect the college

freshmen from further spread of the disease. It can be deadly.

My two cents,

Joanne

[Guest guest]

I have seen enough parents and kids who did improve from biological

treatments that I can't fully discount this as a cause for SOME, but I

don't believe it is the case for my son.

I actually get annoyed when people automatically blame vaccines. In his

case after being initially (mis)diagnosed as autistic everyone from his

therapists to almost would comment on it being due to the

MMR. Really? Funny because my son didn't get the MMR! One time my

son's one therapist who I never liked went off on me about his diet having

to be the cause of everything. Why? Because *I* had a huge diet coke

fountain drink and he " stole " it and took a few sips (I'm pre-diabetic so

nutrasweet is a lesser evil than sugar to me and I had the huge soda with

caffeine to combat a migraine that was starting - my first line before I

take heavy duty meds.) She initially accused me of having too much sugar

and caffeine in his diet and when I said it was diet she was even worse

about the toxicity of nutrasweet (which I personally disagree with, but

that's another can of worms, isn't it?)

I've never pursued much bio interventions for my son. I did use ProEFA and

stopped when he was getting whiney, clingy and weepy after several

months. (Btw I did try it again and within two days there was no new

language surge and the weepies started again and he refused to leave my lap

at dance class as well. *sigh* My older son still takes it and it does

help his concentration.) I've tried elimination diets and the like to no

success as well. I am completely convinced that these factors aren't the

cause of my son's apraxia, but I won't accuse people who believe there is a

toxicity cause for their child - just don't tell me it's causing my son's

issues.

Miche

[Guest guest]

I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant with

contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never really know, but

I do wonder once in a while.

Warm regards,

******************

(Rochester, NY)

Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

& , 11 months

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to blame

vaccines and other environmental toxins?

I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

>

> hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see how many

> of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> children's speech delays and other issues.

>

[Guest guest]

Me too . And while I would be afraid not to vaccinate another

child if I should have one, I would never ever get another flu shot

while pregnant, maybe if I could find a thimerisol-free one but

definitely not one that contained thimerisol.

>

> I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant with

> contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never really

know, but

> I do wonder once in a while.

>

> Warm regards,

> ******************

> (Rochester, NY)

> Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> & , 11 months

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to blame

> vaccines and other environmental toxins?

>

>

>

> I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

>

>

>

> >

> > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see

how many

> > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> > children's speech delays and other issues.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My daughter with apraxia was not exposed to thimerosal in her

vaccines. Our Ped. has a son with autism and is very educated on

this issue. Her practice has not used thimerosal preserved vaccines

for many years. So while I may be able to look to other toxins in

the world at large, I can't lay the blame at that door.

Sue

> >

> > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see how

> many

> > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> > children's speech delays and other issues.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Same here. I did NOT have one while pregnant with and so far,

she seems NT.

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of myjunkytrash

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:41 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to blame

vaccines and other environmental toxins?

Me too . And while I would be afraid not to vaccinate another

child if I should have one, I would never ever get another flu shot

while pregnant, maybe if I could find a thimerisol-free one but

definitely not one that contained thimerisol.

>

> I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant with

> contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never really

know, but

> I do wonder once in a while.

>

> Warm regards,

> ******************

> (Rochester, NY)

> Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> & , 11 months

[Guest guest]

,

I wonder to about the Rho-gam

Anyways, I think I had read in book " Evidence of Harm " the RHo-gam

has the highest amount of Thimerasol compared to other vaccines. Like

I said " I think " thats where I read it, I would check it now, but I

loaned my book to one of Abby's therapists..

I received it at week 24 (supposed to be at wk16) by wk 28 I was

experiencing pre-term labor, put on bedrest, yada yada. Everyone has

said no link between that and my pre-term labor. Or for that matter

the RHo-gam and Abby's dx's. But I can't help but to wonder...

>

> I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant with

> contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never really

know, but

> I do wonder once in a while.

>

> Warm regards,

> ******************

> (Rochester, NY)

> Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> & , 11 months

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to blame

> vaccines and other environmental toxins?

>

>

>

> I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

>

>

>

> >

> > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see how

many

> > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> > children's speech delays and other issues.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes ditto

I seldom discuss vaccines with anyone or what treatments I have used

with Charlie because oh my goodness the reaction !! I particularly

liked one woman that told me that i would persoanlly be responsible

for any measles deaths. She didn't stipulate but I think that meant

any deaths - ever...

I just smile when people comment on how well he is doing and say gosh

yes. Surprisingly the only people who I can be honest with (other

than those on likeminded groups) are his school because they assessed

him when he came in and they are watching him improve and they can't

explain it at all. They are really cool and open minded and support

me on the basis of 'hey if it works!

I keep quiet now unless specificly asked

regards

Deborah

> >

> > I have seen enough parents and kids who did improve from

> biological

> > treatments that I can't fully discount this as a cause for SOME,

> but I

> > don't believe it is the case for my son.

> >

> > I actually get annoyed when people automatically blame vaccines.

> In his

> > case after being initially (mis)diagnosed as autistic everyone

> from his

> > therapists to almost would comment on it being due to the

> > MMR. Really? Funny because my son didn't get the MMR! One

> time my

> > son's one therapist who I never liked went off on me about his

> diet having

> > to be the cause of everything. Why? Because *I* had a huge diet

> coke

> > fountain drink and he " stole " it and took a few sips (I'm pre-

> diabetic so

> > nutrasweet is a lesser evil than sugar to me and I had the huge

> soda with

> > caffeine to combat a migraine that was starting - my first line

> before I

> > take heavy duty meds.) She initially accused me of having too

> much sugar

> > and caffeine in his diet and when I said it was diet she was even

> worse

> > about the toxicity of nutrasweet (which I personally disagree

> with, but

> > that's another can of worms, isn't it?)

> >

> > I've never pursued much bio interventions for my son. I did use

> ProEFA and

> > stopped when he was getting whiney, clingy and weepy after

several

> > months. (Btw I did try it again and within two days there was no

> new

> > language surge and the weepies started again and he refused to

> leave my lap

> > at dance class as well. *sigh* My older son still takes it and

> it does

> > help his concentration.) I've tried elimination diets and the

> like to no

> > success as well. I am completely convinced that these factors

> aren't the

> > cause of my son's apraxia, but I won't accuse people who believe

> there is a

> > toxicity cause for their child - just don't tell me it's causing

> my son's

> > issues.

> >

> > Miche

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I never thought about whether there was thimerasol in my RHo-gam

injections. Oh wow, something new to wonder about forever.

Sue (different from original poster)

> >

> > I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant with

> > contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never really

> know, but

> > I do wonder once in a while.

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > ******************

> > (Rochester, NY)

> > Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> > & , 11 months

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to blame

> > vaccines and other environmental toxins?

> >

> >

> >

> > I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see

how

> many

> > > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> > > children's speech delays and other issues.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

OK - so I googled it, and per the FDA, RHo-gam has not had thimerasol

in it since 2001.

> >

> > I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant with

> > contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never really

> know, but

> > I do wonder once in a while.

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > ******************

> > (Rochester, NY)

> > Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> > & , 11 months

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to blame

> > vaccines and other environmental toxins?

> >

> >

> >

> > I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see

how

> many

> > > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> > > children's speech delays and other issues.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

-Date of maanufacture of 2001, shelf life is at minimum 5 years, so

it could have been on the shelf up to including 2005-06. It was not

pulled from doctors shelves, only no longer in new lots.

-- In , " sloringcrane "

<sloringcrane@...> wrote:

>

> OK - so I googled it, and per the FDA, RHo-gam has not had

thimerasol

> in it since 2001.

>

>

> > >

> > > I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant

with

> > > contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never really

> > know, but

> > > I do wonder once in a while.

> > >

> > > Warm regards,

> > > ******************

> > > (Rochester, NY)

> > > Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> > > & , 11 months

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > From:

> > > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

> > >

> > > Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to

blame

> > > vaccines and other environmental toxins?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see

> how

> > many

> > > > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> > > > children's speech delays and other issues.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

mdautie,

I wonder though... How long does it take for a physician stock pile

of vaccines, or other type of medications wheather they be

IM,oral,etc to run out, before they need to order more? Do they

actually purchase enough at a time to last 5-6 years?

Regardless of that, I found on the FDA website, that there are

several makers of the Rho GAM. One manufacture, Bayer, had stopped

the Thimerasol in their Rho gam in 1996, the 2nd manufacturer Ortho

Clinical Diagnostics Inc. stopped production of thimerasol in their

vaccines in 2001. The third manufacture Cangene Corp. has a " freeze

dried " Rho gam, that never contained thimerasol.

I will never really know which company/manufacturer my doctor used or

uses today. Further at which dosage-according to the FDA website,

there are also different dosages, that also contain different amounts

of thimerasol within the Rho gam

My daugter was born June, 1, 2001. Chances are I had received the Rho

gam containing thimerasol with all of my 3 children. My other 2 were

born 1996, and 1990. My oldest also has several " mild " neurological

disabilities. ADHD-Subtype inattentive, CAPD. And I think he had some

very mild sensory issues when he was very little. (Lound noises,

walking barefoot on the grass, tags on the shirts-he acted irratated

and annoyed, as opposed to some of the more severe cases of SDI)

Here is another tid bit of info regarding vaccines. After I delived

my 2nd child in 1996, my daughter received her 1st dose of the Hep.B

vaccine, then of course finished doses 2, and 3 within the

appropriate time line at the peds office.

5 years later, when I had my youngest. I asked one of the

nurses " When will you being my daughter her Hep B vaccine. " She

said, " No, we don't do that here " I explained with my other daughter

they had, and how things change, etc. The nurse went on to say, in

hushed tones, " we stopped giving them awhile back because there were

to many infant deaths " She didn't specify if they were actually

related to the HepB vaccine, or an just speculated. The general idea

I got from her, she at least felt in her tone, and body language, it

was a direct result.

Again, just another ingrediant that makes you stop and wonder.

> > > >

> > > > I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant

> with

> > > > contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never

really

> > > know, but

> > > > I do wonder once in a while.

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > > ******************

> > > > (Rochester, NY)

> > > > Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> > > > & , 11 months

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > >

> > > > From:

> > > > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

> > > >

> > > > Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to

> blame

> > > > vaccines and other environmental toxins?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to

see

> > how

> > > many

> > > > > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to

our

> > > > > children's speech delays and other issues.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

No, it wouldnot have been stock piled on the peds shelf, the

companies did not destroy the thimerosal batches, they were just used

up as the supply warranted. In other words the vaccine manufacterer

could have kept sending it out when doctors ordered more-as far as 5

years after it being removed from the manufacturing process. YOur

doctor by law must record the lot and manufacturer of any and all

vaccines given to you, it would be in your chart.

-- In , " jerzmomof4 "

<Jerzmomof4@...> wrote:

>

> mdautie,

> I wonder though... How long does it take for a physician stock pile

> of vaccines, or other type of medications wheather they be

> IM,oral,etc to run out, before they need to order more? Do they

> actually purchase enough at a time to last 5-6 years?

>

> Regardless of that, I found on the FDA website, that there are

> several makers of the Rho GAM. One manufacture, Bayer, had stopped

> the Thimerasol in their Rho gam in 1996, the 2nd manufacturer Ortho

> Clinical Diagnostics Inc. stopped production of thimerasol in their

> vaccines in 2001. The third manufacture Cangene Corp. has a " freeze

> dried " Rho gam, that never contained thimerasol.

>

> I will never really know which company/manufacturer my doctor used

or

> uses today. Further at which dosage-according to the FDA website,

> there are also different dosages, that also contain different

amounts

> of thimerasol within the Rho gam

>

> My daugter was born June, 1, 2001. Chances are I had received the

Rho

> gam containing thimerasol with all of my 3 children. My other 2

were

> born 1996, and 1990. My oldest also has several " mild " neurological

> disabilities. ADHD-Subtype inattentive, CAPD. And I think he had

some

> very mild sensory issues when he was very little. (Lound noises,

> walking barefoot on the grass, tags on the shirts-he acted

irratated

> and annoyed, as opposed to some of the more severe cases of SDI)

>

> Here is another tid bit of info regarding vaccines. After I delived

> my 2nd child in 1996, my daughter received her 1st dose of the

Hep.B

> vaccine, then of course finished doses 2, and 3 within the

> appropriate time line at the peds office.

>

> 5 years later, when I had my youngest. I asked one of the

> nurses " When will you being my daughter her Hep B vaccine. " She

> said, " No, we don't do that here " I explained with my other

daughter

> they had, and how things change, etc. The nurse went on to say, in

> hushed tones, " we stopped giving them awhile back because there

were

> to many infant deaths " She didn't specify if they were actually

> related to the HepB vaccine, or an just speculated. The general

idea

> I got from her, she at least felt in her tone, and body language,

it

> was a direct result.

>

> Again, just another ingrediant that makes you stop and wonder.

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while

pregnant

> > with

> > > > > contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never

> really

> > > > know, but

> > > > > I do wonder once in a while.

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > ******************

> > > > > (Rochester, NY)

> > > > > Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> > > > > & , 11 months

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > >

> > > > > From:

> > > > > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

>

> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to

> > blame

> > > > > vaccines and other environmental toxins?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to

> see

> > > how

> > > > many

> > > > > > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to

> our

> > > > > > children's speech delays and other issues.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I read that it only had a shelf life of 2 yrs.

> > > >

> > > > I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant

> with

> > > > contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never really

> > > know, but

> > > > I do wonder once in a while.

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > > ******************

> > > > (Rochester, NY)

> > > > Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> > > > & , 11 months

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > >

> > > > From:

> > > > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

> > > >

> > > > Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to

> blame

> > > > vaccines and other environmental toxins?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see

> > how

> > > many

> > > > > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> > > > > children's speech delays and other issues.

[Guest guest]

I'm a pediatric nurse practitioner. We usually run out of vaccines

within 6 weeks (often sooner). Its only the really unusual vaccines

that stay on shelves for years and years and your average pediatric

office doesn't keep such things in stock.

Kris

On Jun 23, 2006, at 12:17 PM, jerzmomof4 wrote:

> mdautie,

> I wonder though... How long does it take for a physician stock pile

> of vaccines, or other type of medications wheather they be

> IM,oral,etc to run out, before they need to order more? Do they

> actually purchase enough at a time to last 5-6 years?

>

> Regardless of that, I found on the FDA website, that there are

> several makers of the Rho GAM. One manufacture, Bayer, had stopped

> the Thimerasol in their Rho gam in 1996, the 2nd manufacturer Ortho

> Clinical Diagnostics Inc. stopped production of thimerasol in their

> vaccines in 2001. The third manufacture Cangene Corp. has a " freeze

> dried " Rho gam, that never contained thimerasol.

>

> I will never really know which company/manufacturer my doctor used or

> uses today. Further at which dosage-according to the FDA website,

> there are also different dosages, that also contain different amounts

> of thimerasol within the Rho gam

>

> My daugter was born June, 1, 2001. Chances are I had received the Rho

> gam containing thimerasol with all of my 3 children. My other 2 were

> born 1996, and 1990. My oldest also has several " mild " neurological

> disabilities. ADHD-Subtype inattentive, CAPD. And I think he had some

> very mild sensory issues when he was very little. (Lound noises,

> walking barefoot on the grass, tags on the shirts-he acted irratated

> and annoyed, as opposed to some of the more severe cases of SDI)

>

> Here is another tid bit of info regarding vaccines. After I delived

> my 2nd child in 1996, my daughter received her 1st dose of the Hep.B

> vaccine, then of course finished doses 2, and 3 within the

> appropriate time line at the peds office.

>

> 5 years later, when I had my youngest. I asked one of the

> nurses " When will you being my daughter her Hep B vaccine. " She

> said, " No, we don't do that here " I explained with my other daughter

> they had, and how things change, etc. The nurse went on to say, in

> hushed tones, " we stopped giving them awhile back because there were

> to many infant deaths " She didn't specify if they were actually

> related to the HepB vaccine, or an just speculated. The general idea

> I got from her, she at least felt in her tone, and body language, it

> was a direct result.

>

> Again, just another ingrediant that makes you stop and wonder.

>

[Guest guest]

Really makes you think, huh?

At this point, is doing quite well, so I try not to linger on

it, bit still...

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of jerzmomof4

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to blame

vaccines and other environmental toxins?

,

I wonder to about the Rho-gam

Anyways, I think I had read in book " Evidence of Harm " the RHo-gam

has the highest amount of Thimerasol compared to other vaccines. Like

I said " I think " thats where I read it, I would check it now, but I

loaned my book to one of Abby's therapists..

I received it at week 24 (supposed to be at wk16) by wk 28 I was

experiencing pre-term labor, put on bedrest, yada yada. Everyone has

said no link between that and my pre-term labor. Or for that matter

the RHo-gam and Abby's dx's. But I can't help but to wonder...

>

> I wonder sometimes of the flu shot that I had while pregnant with

> contributed to the apraxia. I guess I'll never really

know, but

> I do wonder once in a while.

>

> Warm regards,

> ******************

> (Rochester, NY)

> Mom to , 3.1 years, Verbal Apraxia

> & , 11 months

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From:

<mailto: %40>

> [mailto:

<mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of

> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:13 PM

>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone else like to blame

> vaccines and other environmental toxins?

>

>

>

> I don't, but I am open to some research to change my mind.

>

>

>

> >

> > hope i am not opening a can of worms here, just wanted to see how

many

> > of you believe in all of the heavy metals contributing to our

> > children's speech delays and other issues.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I've never pursued much bio interventions for my son. I did use

ProEFA and

> stopped when he was getting whiney, clingy and weepy after several

> months. (Btw I did try it again and within two days there was no new

> language surge and the weepies started again and he refused to leave

my lap

> at dance class as well. *sigh* My older son still takes it and it

does

> help his concentration.)

> Miche

>

I am curious about the link between ProEFA and your sons's whiney,

clingy and weepy behavior. Has anyone else noticed this link? Our

daughter (3.7 yrs) has been taking ProEFA for two years, with marked

improvement in her expressive language.

Zach

[Guest guest]

We saw behavior issues on proEFA also. We switched to omega-brite

brand, and had no problems with it. I suspected the flavoring in the

proEFA.

> >

> > I've never pursued much bio interventions for my son. I did use

> ProEFA and

> > stopped when he was getting whiney, clingy and weepy after several

> > months. (Btw I did try it again and within two days there was no new

> > language surge and the weepies started again and he refused to leave

> my lap

> > at dance class as well. *sigh* My older son still takes it and it

> does

> > help his concentration.)

> > Miche

> >

>

> I am curious about the link between ProEFA and your sons's whiney,

> clingy and weepy behavior. Has anyone else noticed this link? Our

> daughter (3.7 yrs) has been taking ProEFA for two years, with marked

> improvement in her expressive language.

>

> Zach

>

[Guest guest]

I know you use Omega Brite but does anyone else here use it?

Has anyone else compared it to the ProEFA in use?

Efalex, ProEFA and EyeQ have all been compared in this group.

ProEFA > Efalex

ProEFA = EyeQ pretty much

Efalex/ProEFA/EyeQ > cod liver oil

(just archived Omegabrite here -so far it's pretty much just you)

Anyone? (else)

=====

[Guest guest]

I had a few people email me offlist when I first mentioned this. I wanted

to stay off it a while and try again and the behavior did return almost

immediately. I'm upset because I wanted it to work, his SLP and

peditrician were very in favor of it too! I don't feel too bad because it

wasn't the miracle for my son that it is for many here. Aside from an

initial surge in verbal attempts immediately after starting he was on it

for 5 months and didn't continue to have marked improvement. When we went

off (for illness and just forgot to start again right away) he also did not

regress. When we went on again the behaviors first started, improved after

going off and again no regression, in fact he improved after going off (I

think the behaviors were interfering with his functioning.) From what I've

seen on this list the kids that are really helped by ProEFA will regress

almost as quickly when taken off. This is not the case for my son.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is because there are many causes of apraxia

and unlike many (who seem to be centered in the NJ area) perhaps his isn't

due to environmental factors or deficiencies and that is why fish oils

don't seem to work amazingly for my son. I'd never tell anyone NOT to try

them. No matter how difficult these periods have been I haven't regretted

trying the oils at all. Having two children with speech issues (one a very

late talker and one apraxic) I am taking them as I can through this

pregnancy. I say as I can because they cause bowel issues for me so I am

unable to take them daily and halfing a dose isn't very convenient. My

older son is still taking them and doing fine and they help him with

concentration. He's not ADD, but has an active wandering mind and he and I

both feel he focuses better on the fish oils.

Miche

>I am curious about the link between ProEFA and your sons's whiney,

>clingy and weepy behavior. Has anyone else noticed this link? Our

>daughter (3.7 yrs) has been taking ProEFA for two years, with marked

>improvement in her expressive language.

>

>Zach