Re: HELP!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

Glad to know I'm not alone. My husband and I too are not having any success

with LC this time -- in fact, I have put on weight. I have lost weight on

Atkins and Protein Power approaches before -- but this time, I am actually

gaining. Low fat doesn't work either. I am on HRT - supposedly the 'human

kind' . Doctor measured my hormones and found my estrogen levels

'undetectable'- so figured some hormones might be in order. I am 52 years

old. Suffer from extreme vaginal dryness without them -- not just a question

of low libido and uncomfortable sex, but discomfort al the time. Take lots of

vitamins and supplements that are supposed to help with fat metabolism and

menopause. Exercise and do yoga too. HELP!

Namaste, Liz

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

Glad to know I'm not alone. My husband and I too are not having any success

with LC this time -- in fact, I have put on weight. I have lost weight on

Atkins and Protein Power approaches before -- but this time, I am actually

gaining. Low fat doesn't work either. I am on HRT - supposedly the 'human

kind' . Doctor measured my hormones and found my estrogen levels

'undetectable'- so figured some hormones might be in order. I am 52 years

old. Suffer from extreme vaginal dryness without them -- not just a question

of low libido and uncomfortable sex, but discomfort al the time. Take lots of

vitamins and supplements that are supposed to help with fat metabolism and

menopause. Exercise and do yoga too. HELP!

Namaste, Liz

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

Glad to know I'm not alone. My husband and I too are not having any success

with LC this time -- in fact, I have put on weight. I have lost weight on

Atkins and Protein Power approaches before -- but this time, I am actually

gaining. Low fat doesn't work either. I am on HRT - supposedly the 'human

kind' . Doctor measured my hormones and found my estrogen levels

'undetectable'- so figured some hormones might be in order. I am 52 years

old. Suffer from extreme vaginal dryness without them -- not just a question

of low libido and uncomfortable sex, but discomfort al the time. Take lots of

vitamins and supplements that are supposed to help with fat metabolism and

menopause. Exercise and do yoga too. HELP!

Namaste, Liz

[Guest guest]

Jodi,

How about you post some menus for us to see *exactly* what you're

eating. Every single thing, including amounts.

Maybe we can find something that is a problem. There are some expert

eyes on this list.

Vered

Jodi wrote:

>

> I am SO frustrated and ready to call it quits for this

> diet. Is it possible this particular diet is not for

> everybody? It is so easy and the recipes are so simple, I

> hate to quit, but...........

>

[Guest guest]

> How about you post some menus for us to see *exactly* what you're

> eating. Every single thing, including amounts.

> Maybe we can find something that is a problem. There are some expert

> eyes on this list.

Yes, please do post your menus. Also, are you on any meds? Have you been

sick with a cold or allergies?

Based on the fact that you gained an inch in your waist, I'd almost be

willing to bet that you're intolerant to a food that you eat a LOT of. Or

maybe you have candida. (If so, then you can still do low-carb, but there

are additional foods tha tyou have to cut out to get rid of the yeast

overgrowth.)

Are you drinking anything other than water? Do you drink pop or

caffeinated beverages?

Is it getting close to your TOM or perhaps ovulation?

There are so many possibilities here, but I agree 100% with Vered. We

need to see what you're eating.

Look forward to hearing from ya, hon.

--

in Indy

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3/26/01

[Guest guest]

For the most part, things look ok, but here are a few suggestions.

1) Could your sausage or bacon have preservatives (nitrates or nitrites)

or sugar in it? This can be a REAL problem for some people. Plus, all the

salt can make you retain water.

2) It kinda looks like your fat intake is too low and your protein intake

is too high. Have you ever used fitday? You might want to think about

that. Most people tend to lose best when they're daily calories contain

around 65%-70% of calories from fat. Fat really does help you lose.

3) I hate to say this (especially 'cause they're so good), but the

Carbolite bars could be causing your problems. The sugar alcohol in them

can be wicked to some people! If you were going to cut something out,

that'd be the first thing I'd try. Take some measurements, weigh, and

then cut it out for a week and repeat. (A week SHOULD be long enough for

you to tell if it was the bars.)

4) As I suggested in a previous post, is it possible that you have

candida? If so, that could contribute to you having trouble.

5) You didn't list how much water you drink. You are drinking water,

right? How much?

These are just a few ideas. Maybe some other people will have some other

suggestions or questions for you.

--

in Indy

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3/26/01

[Guest guest]

Jodi:

I wondered that, too. Have you looked into the Eat Right 4 Your Type diet? Blood Type O (which I am) is better suited for Atkins/high protein. If you are a Type A, you are better suited for a vegetarian diet! Read the book.....

Jean/Huntsville

>> I am SO frustrated and ready to call it quits for thisdiet. Is it possible this particular diet is not foreverybody?

[Guest guest]

> Hi Sara.......I just checked the sausage and bacon and it

> does have sugar and nitrates listed as the 4th ingredient.

> I'm off to the store and will check ingredients closer this

> time and give this stuff away

I'm not guaranteeing that's your problem, but it certainly is possible.

Some people are REALLY sensitive to those things, while other can live off

the stuff and drop weight like nobody's business!

> I signed up for fitday last thursday, but didn't get a

> chance to get into it because I was getting dogs ready for

> shows and we left Fri morning. I will try to start entering

> information tonite and see what comes up.

Fitday's great! See what you end up with by entering some meals. It

might seem tedious at first. (Heck, it IS tedious at first.) But once you

get the hang of it, it goes VERY quickly, especially if you've entered the

custom foods that you eat often.

I saw the " 16 dogs " thing in your earlier post. What kind of dogs do you

show? I love dogs! I've only got 3 though; in a small townhome, there

isn't room for much else.

> We were using the Pure De-Lite bars, but hidden carbs showed

> it had 9 carbs instead of the 3 the label states. We

> switched to Carbolite Bars. While on the road, I did have

> probably 2 a day but usually I don't eat them. My husband

> is the sweet eater and he does great on them.....obviously!

There are lots of hidden carbs in the Carbolite bars too. Just goes to

show you how one person can do fine with something and another person

REALLY has problems. I, for one, can eat the low-carb protein bars and

still lose weight. Others on the list can't even breathe in the smell of

a protein bar without stalling. So much about this WOE is TRULY a YMMV

thing.

> What exactly is candida and can I still do the LC diet? I

> don't have the book in front on me right now but I can look

> it up later, but sometimes explanations from somebody who

> can explain it in laymans terms is better anyway.

Candida is a yeast overgrowth in the body. Most women think that you have

to have a vaginal yeast infection to have candida, but that isn't

necessarily so although a yeast infection can be a sign that you have it.

I'm gonna have to dig up the good candida link. You can give it a look

and see if it sounds like you.

And yes, you can certainly still do LC. In fact, a more restricted

version of Atkins is the treatment for it (along with some meds if it's

REALLY bad). My mother-in-law had a horrible case of candida!

Usually, the candida diet means that you take Atkins and then eliminate

all dairy, vinegar (and vinegar-containing products), alcohol, mushrooms,

and seeds, nuts, dried herbs, and teas that could contain fungus. Once

you've gotten the little yeasties at bay, you can add back some of the

foods you had to eliminate (like dairy), but usually you have to REALLY

stay away from muchrooms and aged/dried foods.

> I drink a lot of water........almost nothing but water! at

> least a gallon to a gallon and a half a day...sometimes

> more!

Good for you! So often, water is the problem. I'll bet you'd be having

even worse trouble if you weren't so good with the water.

> I am going to try these suggestions and see what happens

> next week. I weigh and measure on Wednesday, so will see

> what the results are. Thanks! Ya'll are great!!

We'll help ya get it figured out, hon. There are some other ladies on the

list who have personal experience with Atkins after menapause, and I'm

hoping one of them might chime in, 'cause I don't know much about that

sort of thing. All I know is what I saw on Discovery Health; low-carb is

GREAT for post-menapausal women. (Yes, there was actually something on TV

that said LC was good!)

Hope this helps!

--

in Indy

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3/26/01

[Guest guest]

Gee, Jodi, since this is a WOE (way of eating) and I don't know what you're eating, it's hard to say what you're doing wrong.

Post your menus, including quantities (e.g. don't say "chicken" but say "4oz chicken, baked with 2tbsp olive oil, 1/4tsp garlic powder) and we'll see what we can do to help.

-Marlena

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>From: Jodi

>What am I doing wrong? Why am I not losing any weight or >inches? I drink plenty of water......almost a gallon and a >half a day. I am never tempted to cheat and my mindset is >great! Sometimes I overeat.......but it is always legal >stuff, and it is not enough to cause no weight loss!

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[Guest guest]

Gee, Jodi, since this is a WOE (way of eating) and I don't know what you're eating, it's hard to say what you're doing wrong.

Post your menus, including quantities (e.g. don't say "chicken" but say "4oz chicken, baked with 2tbsp olive oil, 1/4tsp garlic powder) and we'll see what we can do to help.

-Marlena

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>From: Jodi

>What am I doing wrong? Why am I not losing any weight or >inches? I drink plenty of water......almost a gallon and a >half a day. I am never tempted to cheat and my mindset is >great! Sometimes I overeat.......but it is always legal >stuff, and it is not enough to cause no weight loss!

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[Guest guest]

Gee, Jodi, since this is a WOE (way of eating) and I don't know what you're eating, it's hard to say what you're doing wrong.

Post your menus, including quantities (e.g. don't say "chicken" but say "4oz chicken, baked with 2tbsp olive oil, 1/4tsp garlic powder) and we'll see what we can do to help.

-Marlena

214.5/160.6/150

>From: Jodi

>What am I doing wrong? Why am I not losing any weight or >inches? I drink plenty of water......almost a gallon and a >half a day. I am never tempted to cheat and my mindset is >great! Sometimes I overeat.......but it is always legal >stuff, and it is not enough to cause no weight loss!

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[Guest guest]

Jodi,

On the surface your menu doesn't look too bad, but there may be room for

improvement. First, do you actively count each and every carb, including

the hidden carbs, that you eat? If so are you staying below 20 a day. If

you aren't counting the carbs closely, this would be my first

recommendation. Something like http://www.fitday.com might help you count

them. Another suggestion is that maybe you do need to cut back slightly on

the amount that you are eating. True, this is a qualitative, not

quantitative eating plan, but some people do need to watch their amounts.

The turtle menus at the link below might help with some planning.

Also you have to watch the casseroles from menus posted to the list. Some

of them have carb counts listed, others do not. Some people are very good

about checking the carb counts for menus they post against the USDA

database, others are not. Just because something is posted to a LC list

does not necessarily mean the carbs have been accurately checked. Also a

lot of recipes may be okay for maintenance, when you are no longer trying to

lose weight, but not good for induction. Considering the fact that you have

been doing this for nearly a month and have gained a pound, my guess is that

you are getting more carbs than you think you have. These casseroles and

the faux potatoes should probably wait until you are closer to goal. Two

cups of faux potatoes actually would have a fairly high carb count, at least

the way I make them. LOL

I assume that you are making the frozen custard cups with artificially

sweetened, homemade whipped cream. Many people see that we can have whipped

cream and think cool whip or redi-whip is okay and it is loaded with sugar.

I would guess that you already knew this, but it never hurts to ask.

I would cut out the carbolite bars until you have been losing steadily for

awhile. The pork skins could be causing you to retain water, and finally

some people really have to limit the amount of cheese that they eat.

Other possible problems could come from medicines that you might be taking,

yeast problems, nitrates in the bacon, additives to the sausage, etc. Did

you lose at all during induction and then gain it back, or have you just not

lost at all since starting? To get you off on the right track, I would

suggest sticking with some basic foods for a week and see what happens. No

carbolite bars, no casseroles, and no faux potatoes. BTW, I have a food

allergy to broccoli and cauliflower that causes me to gain when I eat them.

I also get really bloated feeling and have a rock hard gut (as Kirstie would

call it). So you have to watch for reactions to certain foods. Once you

start losing, then you can start SLOWLY adding other things in and see if it

throws you. I just think it is a combination of maybe too much food over

all and more carbs than you think. Of course, sometimes my opinion isn't

work 2 cents, even with inflation.

Jean

190/147.5/135

12/7/98

[Guest guest]

Jodi,

On the surface your menu doesn't look too bad, but there may be room for

improvement. First, do you actively count each and every carb, including

the hidden carbs, that you eat? If so are you staying below 20 a day. If

you aren't counting the carbs closely, this would be my first

recommendation. Something like http://www.fitday.com might help you count

them. Another suggestion is that maybe you do need to cut back slightly on

the amount that you are eating. True, this is a qualitative, not

quantitative eating plan, but some people do need to watch their amounts.

The turtle menus at the link below might help with some planning.

Also you have to watch the casseroles from menus posted to the list. Some

of them have carb counts listed, others do not. Some people are very good

about checking the carb counts for menus they post against the USDA

database, others are not. Just because something is posted to a LC list

does not necessarily mean the carbs have been accurately checked. Also a

lot of recipes may be okay for maintenance, when you are no longer trying to

lose weight, but not good for induction. Considering the fact that you have

been doing this for nearly a month and have gained a pound, my guess is that

you are getting more carbs than you think you have. These casseroles and

the faux potatoes should probably wait until you are closer to goal. Two

cups of faux potatoes actually would have a fairly high carb count, at least

the way I make them. LOL

I assume that you are making the frozen custard cups with artificially

sweetened, homemade whipped cream. Many people see that we can have whipped

cream and think cool whip or redi-whip is okay and it is loaded with sugar.

I would guess that you already knew this, but it never hurts to ask.

I would cut out the carbolite bars until you have been losing steadily for

awhile. The pork skins could be causing you to retain water, and finally

some people really have to limit the amount of cheese that they eat.

Other possible problems could come from medicines that you might be taking,

yeast problems, nitrates in the bacon, additives to the sausage, etc. Did

you lose at all during induction and then gain it back, or have you just not

lost at all since starting? To get you off on the right track, I would

suggest sticking with some basic foods for a week and see what happens. No

carbolite bars, no casseroles, and no faux potatoes. BTW, I have a food

allergy to broccoli and cauliflower that causes me to gain when I eat them.

I also get really bloated feeling and have a rock hard gut (as Kirstie would

call it). So you have to watch for reactions to certain foods. Once you

start losing, then you can start SLOWLY adding other things in and see if it

throws you. I just think it is a combination of maybe too much food over

all and more carbs than you think. Of course, sometimes my opinion isn't

work 2 cents, even with inflation.

Jean

190/147.5/135

12/7/98

[Guest guest]

Jodi,

On the surface your menu doesn't look too bad, but there may be room for

improvement. First, do you actively count each and every carb, including

the hidden carbs, that you eat? If so are you staying below 20 a day. If

you aren't counting the carbs closely, this would be my first

recommendation. Something like http://www.fitday.com might help you count

them. Another suggestion is that maybe you do need to cut back slightly on

the amount that you are eating. True, this is a qualitative, not

quantitative eating plan, but some people do need to watch their amounts.

The turtle menus at the link below might help with some planning.

Also you have to watch the casseroles from menus posted to the list. Some

of them have carb counts listed, others do not. Some people are very good

about checking the carb counts for menus they post against the USDA

database, others are not. Just because something is posted to a LC list

does not necessarily mean the carbs have been accurately checked. Also a

lot of recipes may be okay for maintenance, when you are no longer trying to

lose weight, but not good for induction. Considering the fact that you have

been doing this for nearly a month and have gained a pound, my guess is that

you are getting more carbs than you think you have. These casseroles and

the faux potatoes should probably wait until you are closer to goal. Two

cups of faux potatoes actually would have a fairly high carb count, at least

the way I make them. LOL

I assume that you are making the frozen custard cups with artificially

sweetened, homemade whipped cream. Many people see that we can have whipped

cream and think cool whip or redi-whip is okay and it is loaded with sugar.

I would guess that you already knew this, but it never hurts to ask.

I would cut out the carbolite bars until you have been losing steadily for

awhile. The pork skins could be causing you to retain water, and finally

some people really have to limit the amount of cheese that they eat.

Other possible problems could come from medicines that you might be taking,

yeast problems, nitrates in the bacon, additives to the sausage, etc. Did

you lose at all during induction and then gain it back, or have you just not

lost at all since starting? To get you off on the right track, I would

suggest sticking with some basic foods for a week and see what happens. No

carbolite bars, no casseroles, and no faux potatoes. BTW, I have a food

allergy to broccoli and cauliflower that causes me to gain when I eat them.

I also get really bloated feeling and have a rock hard gut (as Kirstie would

call it). So you have to watch for reactions to certain foods. Once you

start losing, then you can start SLOWLY adding other things in and see if it

throws you. I just think it is a combination of maybe too much food over

all and more carbs than you think. Of course, sometimes my opinion isn't

work 2 cents, even with inflation.

Jean

190/147.5/135

12/7/98

[Guest guest]

Jodi,

If you do have Candida, you will need to cut out anything fermented

(that means no hard cheeses), on LC you have already gotten rid of

most other stuff you have to get rid of like yeast breads and sugar.

LC is really the only way to deal with Candida and you can pretty much

know that you are infected because when you go on LC you feel like a

whole new person. Aches and pains go away, and you have energy, even

in the mornings...does any of that sound familiar???

It sounds like you need to stick with it. Some people just lose real

slow. Your general daily menu sounds fine, but maybe you should each

day log EVERYTHING you eat on this list (one day at a time!)And

fitday is a godsend. Sometimes we don't realize that we are eating

something that might be a problem because we think it's legal. Even

some legal stuff doesn't work well with everyone.

BTW 16 dogs??????? Even I haven't had that many at one time and I do

rescue!

Sydne

[Guest guest]

Jodi,

Just curious as to how many carbs you think you have in a day? I am not a

tea or coffee drinker, but somebody said that you should count one carb per

cup. That is just one example of the fact that you may be getting carbs you

didn't even realize you were getting.

Jean

190/147.5/135

12/7/98

[Guest guest]

Jodi,

Candida is a yeast problem and can interfere with weight loss. Actually LC

dieting is one of the best ways to cure candida, but if it is a problem for

you, it may require a yeast fighting supplement to get rid of it. Someone

posted the link for a candida questionnaire recently, maybe they will post

it again.

Jean

190/147.5/135

12/7/98

[Guest guest]

Jodi and Jean,

I drink a pot of coffee plus one 16oz cup at work. The carb count for all of this is between 8 & 10. That is half of the carbs recommended for induction!

RE: HELP!!

Jodi,Just curious as to how many carbs you think you have in a day? I am not atea or coffee drinker, but somebody said that you should count one carb per

[Guest guest]

Jodi,

My first thought is those dab blammed bars! I am one of those that can't

breathe NEAR them! LOL Although they say 2.5 carbs, they have the " hidden "

carbs of about 17 and on me they act like 117!!!

Also.... If I eat a lot of broccoli I get kind of bloated and gassy. That is

the only thing that I have noticed that does it and that only happens if I have

it for lunch and dinner two or more days in a row.

One more thing (or two)many of the casseroles that are posted are still quite

high in carbs if you eat very much. Maybe you should try to stick to the

turtle menu and see how that goes... The link is at the bottom of each message.

I don't have TOM either, and LC has been wonderful for the mood swings AND hot

flashes (although only GOD knows why they call them flashes when they last for

hours...)

=====

Kathy

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

This is definitely a YMMV thing. I'm type A and could never make it as a

vegetarian and do great on Atkins. Almost everyone I know does not fit

what eating style this book recommends for their type. Just my .02

Sue D

t 12:42 PM 10/24/01 -0500, you wrote:

Jodi:

I wondered that, too.

Have you looked into the Eat Right 4 Your Type diet? Blood Type O

(which I am) is better suited for Atkins/high protein. If you are a

Type A, you are better suited for a vegetarian diet! Read the

book.....

Jean/Huntsville

[Guest guest]

Sorry it's not working for you.

Not all the recipes here are for induction.

Have you tried the turtles menu?

Some people can't handle too much cream and cheese.

Are you drinking enough water.

Are you measuring your food and writing it all down.

Trace ketosis is OK.

Lets see a few days' menus.

Everything that has gone into your mouth.

The group is here to help & support you.

Just talk to us .

Tania--

- In Atkins_Support_List@y..., Jodi wrote:

> I am SO frustrated and ready to call it quits for this

> diet. Is it possible this particular diet is not for

> everybody? It is so easy and the recipes are so simple, I

> hate to quit, but...........

>

> My

[Guest guest]

That's too generalised.

Exact foods eaten each day, and amounts and your perceived carb count.

You couyld be counting wrongly.

The bars often have hidden carbs.

Tania-

-- In Atkins_Support_List@y..., Jodi wrote:

> Typical day menu:

>

> Breakfast......2 fried or scrambled eggs

> 2 or 3 pieces bacon or links of sausage

>

> lunch.......whatever meat is left from night before

> 1 or 2 pieces chicken or 1 or 2 pork chops

> 1 or 2 ribs or 1/2 to 1 cup casserole from

> menus posted

> from the list

> l boiled egg sometimes

> 1/2 c sf jello or frozen custard made

> from whipping cream and sf jello

>

> supper: Usually ribs, chicken, steak, pork chops. I will

> eat 1 or 2

[Guest guest]

That's too generalised.

Exact foods eaten each day, and amounts and your perceived carb count.

You couyld be counting wrongly.

The bars often have hidden carbs.

Tania-

-- In Atkins_Support_List@y..., Jodi wrote:

> Typical day menu:

>

> Breakfast......2 fried or scrambled eggs

> 2 or 3 pieces bacon or links of sausage

>

> lunch.......whatever meat is left from night before

> 1 or 2 pieces chicken or 1 or 2 pork chops

> 1 or 2 ribs or 1/2 to 1 cup casserole from

> menus posted

> from the list

> l boiled egg sometimes

> 1/2 c sf jello or frozen custard made

> from whipping cream and sf jello

>

> supper: Usually ribs, chicken, steak, pork chops. I will

> eat 1 or 2

[Guest guest]

That's too generalised.

Exact foods eaten each day, and amounts and your perceived carb count.

You couyld be counting wrongly.

The bars often have hidden carbs.

Tania-

-- In Atkins_Support_List@y..., Jodi wrote:

> Typical day menu:

>

> Breakfast......2 fried or scrambled eggs

> 2 or 3 pieces bacon or links of sausage

>

> lunch.......whatever meat is left from night before

> 1 or 2 pieces chicken or 1 or 2 pork chops

> 1 or 2 ribs or 1/2 to 1 cup casserole from

> menus posted

> from the list

> l boiled egg sometimes

> 1/2 c sf jello or frozen custard made

> from whipping cream and sf jello

>

> supper: Usually ribs, chicken, steak, pork chops. I will

> eat 1 or 2

[Guest guest]

Where are your veggies? You must eat your veggies

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