law and order- criminal intent

[Guest guest]

anybody watch it tonight?

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

i didn't -yet. because we have sattelite i sometimes watch it at eleven in

another time zone. should i? are you recommending it?

michelle mg

law and order- criminal intent

anybody watch it tonight?

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

> i didn't -yet. because we have sattelite i sometimes watch it at eleven in

another time zone. should i? are you recommending it?

michelle mg <

yes, watch it

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I sorta watched it.

Debbie with twins

Re: law and order- criminal intent

> i didn't -yet. because we have sattelite i sometimes watch it at

eleven in another time zone. should i? are you recommending it?

michelle mg <

yes, watch it

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

okay i watched it. it was good - i just hope the viewing public who has never

heard of aspergers before don't equate the syndrome with criminal mastermind

non-empathetic murderers! i have always thought that goran was an aspie and i

think that was alluded to a bit on the show. what did you think gina? did

anyone else watch?

michelle mg

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> i didn't -yet. because we have sattelite i sometimes watch it at eleven in

another time zone. should i? are you recommending it?

michelle mg <

yes, watch it

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

Oh yes Goran is an Aspie. I've known it since the start of this show. It's one

of my favorites because I just love that character and he does it so well. It

was aluded to on this show when the female cop said " he was like your older

geekier brother " I about died laughing.

I also think it's why goran picked up on what was wrong with the man. He himself

is aspie and he knows it. I mean watching that character over the year, you can

tell he lacks personal boundaries.

While I'm not sure the show portrayed Aspie's in the best light, I don't think

they will be a bad rap from this show. I think they will write it into the

script more then Goran himself is Aspie. This is the second or third show where

they have hinted at it.

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> i didn't -yet. because we have sattelite i sometimes watch it at eleven

in another time zone. should i? are you recommending it?

michelle mg <

yes, watch it

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

I watched it and loved it. I'm in love with Goran, his character is my favorite

on the show. He's an Aspie hands down, I just know it.

law and order- criminal intent

anybody watch it tonight?

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

awww man missed it. I' have to wait for the re run. bummer. I do love Goran.

I always watch the show too and last night I missed it ARRRGH!

CHRIS

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> i didn't -yet. because we have sattelite i sometimes watch it at eleven

in another time zone. should i? are you recommending it?

michelle mg <

yes, watch it

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

> I think they will write it into the script more then Goran himself is Aspie.

This is the second or third show where they have hinted at it. <

i've never thought of him being an aspie, but i do know his mother is

schizophrenic. now that i think about it tho, you could be right.

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

> what did you think gina? <

well, i'm curious to know how long it took you to know that guy was aspie. i

knew it RIGHT away. i also thought it was interesting that he didn't think he'd

done anything wrong (that part reminded me of lou). it was quite sad when he

found out he was aspie tho, wasn't it? i don't think prison was the right place

for him to go.

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

>> well, i'm curious to know how long it took you to know that guy was

aspie. i knew it RIGHT away. i also

Me too. When he was sorting the files. I didn't know if THEY knew...the

people who made the show...until the eye contact thing. BTW I am going to

try that. Eye contact 1/3-2/3ds of the time. But I also need a minimum

amount at a time rule, or I will be counting 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3 the whole time

and all the eye shifting will just make things worse. And I will need a

watch.

>> thought it was interesting that he didn't think he'd done anything wrong

(that part reminded me of lou).

So who killed the black guy? The French girl? Or did he hire someone?

Cause he said he didn't kill anyone.

>> it was quite sad when he found out he was aspie tho, wasn't it? i

don't think prison was the right place for him to go.

I thought that was EXTREMELY well-done. " That's me. Why didn't someone

tell me? " Wow.

And yes, it was very very sad. And no, I don't think prison is where he

belonged, but I'm not sure a psych ward was either...

I did think they skewed the definition of Aspie to fit the episode, but of

course you have to have the audience go, " THAT'S HIM! " or it doesn't work.

The other guy has a lot of empathy for an Aspie. Graner or whatever his

name is. <looks> Goran. But he has some odd body postures/movements and

yeah, he knows EVERYTHING, he is a frikkin genius walking encyclopedia, and

what whoever said about him studying and understanding the human race

without taking part in it -- that fit PERFECTLY. I love that.

I've only watched the show a few times. Will be interesting to see where

they go with this.

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

IS it empathy? Or is it application of vast knowledge?

When it came to last night character , It would not say empathy. I would

however say he really liked this guy. Got him, you know, understood exactly what

he was saying. I had a hard time following the entire first look through the

files but Goran followed along and got it. He understood exactly where this guy

was coming from. It wasn't empathy. Not sure what it is.

I've not ever thought he was empathetic; rather, I've thought he uses keen

insight based on his understanding of the way people work in order to know

just when to 'launch' at them as he is wont to do.

This I believe is the case in all other episodes except last night. I really

think he liked this guy at first.

[Guest guest]

>>well, i'm curious to know how long it took you to know that guy was aspie<<

well i had a bit of a heads up because of your email actually. i had just said

to paul (dh)that a girl on my list had been asking if anyone had seen tonights

episode and that when i told her i may watch it later she recommended i do. as

soon as the guy started saying they were looking for someone who had " studied at

hartford blah blah blah " paul said " well, i guess we know why people on your

list were interested in this episode that guy has aspergers! " then we both

burst out laughing when goran's partner said " you didn't tell me you had an

older geekier brother " because we have always called goran the " ace aspie

detective! " but actually it crossed my mind at the very beginning of that scene

when he said he had taught himself to play piano. who on this list recently

said their son had played a song by ear having never been taught? anyways that

crossed my mind.

>>it was quite sad when he found out he was aspie tho, wasn't it? <<

i did think it was very sad when goran read out that diagnostic criteria. i am

not sure i liked how that scene played out. it made me very uncomfortable. it

seemed like the information was presented in an accusing, attacking,

confrontational way. almost like you would say " aha i caught you - you're a

theif " it felt sort of like " aha i caught you you have aspergers " - did you get

that? it seemed a bit insensitive but that's goran's style isn't it?

michelle mg

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

i agree with jacquie v - i am not sure we ahve ever had any indication or proff

that goran is capable of empathy.

michelle mg

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> The other guy has a lot of empathy for an Aspie.

IS it empathy? Or is it application of vast knowledge?

I've not ever thought he was empathetic; rather, I've thought he uses keen

insight based on his understanding of the way people work in order to know

just when to 'launch' at them as he is wont to do.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

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From: The Rajnert Family

>> I really think he liked this guy at first.<<

i am still not convinced he " liked " him - i am not sure he likes anyone - he

is very unemotional. when his partner (what the hell is her name??) made a

comment about how much time they were spending together goran said " i find him

very interesting " - not really an admission of " like " but probably as close as

you'll get with goran ;o)

michelle mg

[Guest guest]

(what the hell is her name??)

I have no idea, sad huh. I watch it for him, not her.

<< " i find him very interesting " - not really an admission of " like " but

probably as close as you'll get with goran >>

Yes that's the closest he's ever gotten to actually saying he likes someone.

You are right, I just think he found the guy intresting.

[Guest guest]

> when his partner (what the hell is her name?? <

eames

while we're on the subject, here's an interesting quote from imdb about vincent

d'onofrio (goran) ... " He calls himself a Hollywood hired gun. If a producer has

a character they can't get a handle on, they call . The only thing he

tells them is, 'Don't mess with me when I'm doing it.' He does it his way. " --

Gene D'Onofrio, 's father

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

Well, I had never thought of Goran as an aspie before. Though, now that

you all mention it, it makes a lot of sense.

I can't tell you how many times I was almost shocked at way he handles

himself in interrogations. He always seems to " cross the line " in the

way he deals with the people related to the case. Gee, that should've

been clue one eh?

I got to watch a bit of the show last night. The insurance guy was

glaringly spectrum. I watched with amazement as he talked about eye

contact, less than 1/3, more than 2/3, so forth. Here was a person who

knew eye contact was important to other people but couldn't figure out

how to do it right. The comment about the " older geekier brother " was

funny. But it didn't ring on me in the moment.

I'm going to have to watch this show more regularly and study Goran.

Debbie with twins, who is loving this thread

[Guest guest]

> here's an interesting quote from imdb about vincent d'onofrio <

and here's a quote from him about playing goren

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/03/apontv.vincent.donofrio.ap/index.html

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

> The other guy has a lot of empathy for an Aspie.

>> IS it empathy? Or is it application of vast knowledge?

Maybe empathy isn't the right word. And I've only seen the show a few

times, so I coudl be totally off. But it seemed to me like he felt sorry

for the people he was catching. Not that it kept him from moving in for the

kill, but...the best I can come up with is that he's like a farmer who has

to shoot a valuable horse which has a broken leg. He feels badly for the

animal, and he's sorry this has happened to it, but that doesn't stop him

from shooting it because that is what has to happen.

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

since we are discussing his assets as an actor anyways ....it also shouldn't go

unsaid that vincent d'onofrio is also very hot! imho of course!

michelle mg

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> when his partner (what the hell is her name?? <

eames

while we're on the subject, here's an interesting quote from imdb about

vincent d'onofrio (goran) ... " He calls himself a Hollywood hired gun. If a

producer has a character they can't get a handle on, they call . The only

thing he tells them is, 'Don't mess with me when I'm doing it.' He does it his

way. " -- Gene D'Onofrio, 's father

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

> since we are discussing his assets as an actor anyways ....it also shouldn't

go unsaid that vincent d'onofrio is also very hot! imho of course!

michelle mg <

oh, well, of course. i've always loved him

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

I agree he is very handsome!

CHRIS

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> when his partner (what the hell is her name?? <

eames

while we're on the subject, here's an interesting quote from imdb about

vincent d'onofrio (goran) ... " He calls himself a Hollywood hired gun. If a

producer has a character they can't get a handle on, they call . The only

thing he tells them is, 'Don't mess with me when I'm doing it.' He does it his

way. " -- Gene D'Onofrio, 's father

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

> Of course, my opinion of him is coloured by the fact the first film I saw him

in was 'Men in Black'. That image has stuck with me for YEARS. <

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! yeah well, what about tony shalhoub? not that i

think he's hot, but still

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

i guess i am glad i didn't see " men in black " then ;o)

michelle mg

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> since we are discussing his assets as an actor anyways ....it also

shouldn't go unsaid that vincent d'onofrio is also very hot!

UGH!

Of course, my opinion of him is coloured by the fact the first film I saw

him in was 'Men in Black'. That image has stuck with me for YEARS.

Jacquie