Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Has anyone heard of the DORE programme from the the UK? Has anyone tried it? Does it work? Loreta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Hi, Yes I contacted them but apparently the programme is for 7yrs plus as that is when the part of the brain that they give you 'training exercises'? for is fully developed. So i will be waiting to find out more next year. However he asked if my son liked swimming or trampolining. I said he loves both and he told me that they are really good for stimulating that part of the brain. I am reserving judgement but i know that my son needs something to help with right and left side co-ordination. Otherwise his motor skills are fine if not great. It seems to be quite focussed on physical dyspraxia and dyslexia and I don't know how much they know about verbal dyspraxia. If i do it, I'll post an update. Has anyone else any experience? UK mummy to 8 and Rory 6 with severe verbal dyspraxia, both deaf too. [ ] DORE programme Has anyone heard of the DORE programme from the the UK? Has anyone tried it? Does it work? Loreta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Hi, Just to add to my previous email... they have just had the founder on TV this evening, what a coincidence! It does cost about £1500, $3000ish dollars and it is about doing repetitive physical exercises. It was developed for dyslexia. Apparently he was a multi-millionaire , his daughter had dyslexia and tried to commit suicide three times. She was told to just except it but obviously couldn't so he studied all the stuff out there - like we all do, and came up with this programme. It does have a lot of testimonials. The reason he was on TV was that they have been researching it's effect and are about to publish the results in a Dyslexia journal. A lot of the professionals don't like it because of the cost. There are actually a few other programmes for Dyslexia in the UK but as far as i know Dore is the only one to deal with Dyspraxia. I think the experts misjudge how much us parents are prepared to do and that's not just about spending money. Regards UK Mummy to 8 and Rory 6 with verbal dyspraxia, both deaf too. [ ] DORE programme Has anyone heard of the DORE programme from the the UK? Has anyone tried it? Does it work? Loreta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Hi, Just to add to my previous email... they have just had the founder on TV this evening, what a coincidence! It does cost about £1500, $3000ish dollars and it is about doing repetitive physical exercises. It was developed for dyslexia. Apparently he was a multi-millionaire , his daughter had dyslexia and tried to commit suicide three times. She was told to just except it but obviously couldn't so he studied all the stuff out there - like we all do, and came up with this programme. It does have a lot of testimonials. The reason he was on TV was that they have been researching it's effect and are about to publish the results in a Dyslexia journal. A lot of the professionals don't like it because of the cost. There are actually a few other programmes for Dyslexia in the UK but as far as i know Dore is the only one to deal with Dyspraxia. I think the experts misjudge how much us parents are prepared to do and that's not just about spending money. Regards UK Mummy to 8 and Rory 6 with verbal dyspraxia, both deaf too. [ ] DORE programme Has anyone heard of the DORE programme from the the UK? Has anyone tried it? Does it work? Loreta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Hi Crellin family Thanks for your response. $3000 is a lot of money. Do you know if they a have programme in Australia? I'm trying to explore all avenues. I had to take my little boy(6 yo) off his Vitamin E and Omega 3s as he became too emotional. I had a truly rotten week, I found a piece of paper in his desk where he had written, " I got no fens " and two other sentences in a similar fashion. His work has slipped a bit but he is happier. And you are right parents with kids with disabilities will climb mountains, almost do anything to help their kids. I have enrolled my little boy in trampolining. He did a term of gymnastics, he enjoyed it but wants to explore trampolining. Swimming is next on the list. Thanks again for responding Loreta - -- In , " crellin family " <crellin.family@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Just to add to my previous email... they have just had the founder on TV this evening, what a coincidence! > > It does cost about £1500, $3000ish dollars and it is about doing repetitive physical exercises. It was developed for dyslexia. Apparently he was a multi-millionaire , his daughter had dyslexia and tried to commit suicide three times. She was told to just except it but obviously couldn't so he studied all the stuff out there - like we all do, and came up with this programme. It does have a lot of testimonials. > > The reason he was on TV was that they have been researching it's effect and are about to publish the results in a Dyslexia journal. A lot of the professionals don't like it because of the cost. There are actually a few other programmes for Dyslexia in the UK but as far as i know Dore is the only one to deal with Dyspraxia. I think the experts misjudge how much us parents are prepared to do and that's not just about spending money. > > Regards > > > UK Mummy to 8 and Rory 6 with verbal dyspraxia, both deaf too. > > > [ ] DORE programme > > Has anyone heard of the DORE programme from the the UK? Has anyone > tried it? Does it work? > Loreta > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Did you guys see this recent article on Dore? May want to if not: Dyslexia 'cure' fails to pass the tests Ben Goldacre Saturday November 4, 2006 The Guardian Wouldn't it be great if there was a really expensive proprietary cure for dyslexia? Oh hang on, there is: paint tycoon Wynford Dore has developed one, with Nasa space technology. It costs £1,700, has celebrity endorsements, involves some special exercises, and it's a secret how it works, but it has been proven with experts. " A revolutionary drug-free dyslexia remedy has been hailed a wonder cure by experts, " said the Mirror on Monday. And in the Mail: " Millions of people with dyslexia have been given hope by a set of simple exercises that experts say can cure the disorder. " This most recent wave of publicity was prompted by a paper on Dore's miracle cure published in the journal Dyslexia. The story of why they should publish such a flawed study is, perhaps, for another day. But what might have made journalists approach this story with a slightly critical eye? Well, giants of investigative journalism giants Tonight with Trevor Mc and and Judy have already had their wrists slapped by the ITC for promoting Dore's as a cure for dyslexia, on two separate occasions. Those were based on a previous paper so flawed (even before it was subsequently misrepresented in the media) that it prompted an unprecedented nine critical commentaries to be published in Dyslexia. These commentaries pointed out that the subjects were not randomised - the experimenters could choose whether to put each child in the treatment group or the control group - and the two groups were mismatched in a way that could have advantaged the Dore treatment. The control group's treatment was " nothing " , which was bound to produce an unfavourable result, compared with the attention lavished on children having the Dore treatment. Progress was measured, bizarrely, with screening tools rather than validated tests, as we shall see later. The statistics were flawed. The details of the treatment were explicitly withheld because it was " commercially sensitive " . The evaluators were not blinded. And so on. In fact, Dore's last storm of " miracle cure " publicity was so bizarre that Nasa was inundated with inquiries and publicly stepped in with a press release to refute claims in the Independent and New Scientist that Dore used special Nasa space technology and exercises in the cure (Dore denies involvement in these claims). When you're so out there that the guys from Star Wars have to shoot you down, then you really know you're getting somewhere. But what about this current study? Well, it's a follow-up of those original children. Hope in the Daily Mail says there were 35 children with dyslexia. In fact only 29 children were followed up in this study, and only eight of those had a diagnosis of dyslexia or dyspraxia. Some were, in fact, reading very well - up to 22 months ahead of their reading age - before the treatment started. If she'd read the study carefully she might have flagged up some other flaws in it. There was no control group this time, all the children had the Dore miracle cure, so there's no way of knowing if the improvements were due to Dore or some other factors (the passage of time, or just receiving extra input). The children's progress was again measured with the " dyslexia screening tool " , an odd choice: and gains were not made in reading, spelling, and writing in the DST, but in bead threading, balance, and rapid naming. DST is a screening test, not something you would use for repeated measures of development, and these improvements could reflect, for example, practice at doing the test. I get nerdier. The study reports benefits in Sat scores and something called " NFER " scores, but these contradict the DST data, and have other problems: Sat scores, for example, are not formal psychometric developmental measures, they are political audit tools, and they are " peer-referenced " with vague, ill-defined criteria at each level. Congratulations on getting this far. If your attention is starting to flag, then that only goes to show how commercially unattractive a real story, critically appraising real research, would be for a tabloid. I give up. It's a miracle cure. · Send your bad science to bad.science@... http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/badscience/story/0,,1939372,00.html ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Thanks for passing this article on. I appreciate the feedback. It is better to warned early before a financial transaction takes place and hopes are raised. Loreta > > Did you guys see this recent article on Dore? May want to if not: > > Dyslexia 'cure' fails to pass the tests > > > Ben Goldacre > Saturday November 4, 2006 > The Guardian > > > Wouldn't it be great if there was a really expensive proprietary > cure for dyslexia? Oh hang on, there is: paint tycoon Wynford Dore > has developed one, with Nasa space technology. It costs £1,700, has > celebrity endorsements, involves some special exercises, and it's a > secret how it works, but it has been proven with experts. " A > revolutionary drug-free dyslexia remedy has been hailed a wonder > cure by experts, " said the Mirror on Monday. And in the > Mail: " Millions of people with dyslexia have been given hope by a > set of simple exercises that experts say can cure the disorder. " > This most recent wave of publicity was prompted by a paper on Dore's > miracle cure published in the journal Dyslexia. The story of why > they should publish such a flawed study is, perhaps, for another > day. But what might have made journalists approach this story with a > slightly critical eye? > > Well, giants of investigative journalism giants Tonight with Trevor > Mc and and Judy have already had their wrists slapped > by the ITC for promoting Dore's as a cure for dyslexia, on two > separate occasions. > > Those were based on a previous paper so flawed (even before it was > subsequently misrepresented in the media) that it prompted an > unprecedented nine critical commentaries to be published in > Dyslexia. > > These commentaries pointed out that the subjects were not > randomised - the experimenters could choose whether to put each > child in the treatment group or the control group - and the two > groups were mismatched in a way that could have advantaged the Dore > treatment. The control group's treatment was " nothing " , which was > bound to produce an unfavourable result, compared with the attention > lavished on children having the Dore treatment. > > Progress was measured, bizarrely, with screening tools rather than > validated tests, as we shall see later. The statistics were flawed. > The details of the treatment were explicitly withheld because it > was " commercially sensitive " . The evaluators were not blinded. And > so on. In fact, Dore's last storm of " miracle cure " publicity was so > bizarre that Nasa was inundated with inquiries and publicly stepped > in with a press release to refute claims in the Independent and New > Scientist that Dore used special Nasa space technology and exercises > in the cure (Dore denies involvement in these claims). When you're > so out there that the guys from Star Wars have to shoot you down, > then you really know you're getting somewhere. > > But what about this current study? Well, it's a follow-up of those > original children. Hope in the Daily Mail says there were 35 > children with dyslexia. In fact only 29 children were followed up in > this study, and only eight of those had a diagnosis of dyslexia or > dyspraxia. Some were, in fact, reading very well - up to 22 months > ahead of their reading age - before the treatment started. If she'd > read the study carefully she might have flagged up some other flaws > in it. There was no control group this time, all the children had > the Dore miracle cure, so there's no way of knowing if the > improvements were due to Dore or some other factors (the passage of > time, or just receiving extra input). > > The children's progress was again measured with the " dyslexia > screening tool " , an odd choice: and gains were not made in reading, > spelling, and writing in the DST, but in bead threading, balance, > and rapid naming. > > DST is a screening test, not something you would use for repeated > measures of development, and these improvements could reflect, for > example, practice at doing the test. > > I get nerdier. The study reports benefits in Sat scores and > something called " NFER " scores, but these contradict the DST data, > and have other problems: Sat scores, for example, are not formal > psychometric developmental measures, they are political audit tools, > and they are " peer-referenced " with vague, ill-defined criteria at > each level. > > Congratulations on getting this far. If your attention is starting > to flag, then that only goes to show how commercially unattractive a > real story, critically appraising real research, would be for a > tabloid. I give up. It's a miracle cure. > > · Send your bad science to bad.science@... > http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/badscience/story/0,,1939372,00.html > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Hi, Interesting! I can't claim to know much about this Dore programme as my son is not old enough to try it. In an article i read in another well respected newspaper in the UK, the Times, the study was supposed to have been in a school where they took all the children that were reading at a level well below their age, regardless of whether they had diagnosed dyspraxia, dyslexia or ADHA, did the exercises, and then a year later looked at how their reading have improved or not. I am sure the article said they had all gained appropriate age reading and continue to progress appropriately after the exercises stopped. What I keep in mind is that Wynford Dore is a parent of a child with dyslexia first, on whom all the experts had given up. I wonder if he would have some much bad publicity if he was not rich (and that was prior to the Dore foundation). It's also because the 'treatment' costs so much, but we've paid as much for specialist AV therapy for our boys in the past and it was definitely worth it I've also never seen anything about NASA space technology. From what i saw on TV it was throwing bean bags to and fro! Very simple and to do with left and right co-ordination. If i do try this i will let you all know if there is anything suspect about it. This journalist maybe right about the poor way that it was tested and it may be a different study from the school one above. maybe they tried to be moore scientific to prove themselves to the scientists. However, sometime simple is better for us parents who have more interest than scientists and are prepared to try something if it doesn't actually cause any damage... look at all of us with the vit e!!!! i bet no scientist would have been ready to propose that and it would have be impossible to test. I'll still keep an open mind and as I said let you know if there is anything to it. Uk Mummy to 8 and Rory 6, with severe verbal dyspraxia, both deaf with CI [ ] Re: DORE programme Did you guys see this recent article on Dore? May want to if not: Dyslexia 'cure' fails to pass the tests Ben Goldacre Saturday November 4, 2006 The Guardian Wouldn't it be great if there was a really expensive proprietary cure for dyslexia? Oh hang on, there is: paint tycoon Wynford Dore has developed one, with Nasa space technology. It costs £1,700, has celebrity endorsements, involves some special exercises, and it's a secret how it works, but it has been proven with experts. " A revolutionary drug-free dyslexia remedy has been hailed a wonder cure by experts, " said the Mirror on Monday. And in the Mail: " Millions of people with dyslexia have been given hope by a set of simple exercises that experts say can cure the disorder. " This most recent wave of publicity was prompted by a paper on Dore's miracle cure published in the journal Dyslexia. The story of why they should publish such a flawed study is, perhaps, for another day. But what might have made journalists approach this story with a slightly critical eye? Well, giants of investigative journalism giants Tonight with Trevor Mc and and Judy have already had their wrists slapped by the ITC for promoting Dore's as a cure for dyslexia, on two separate occasions. Those were based on a previous paper so flawed (even before it was subsequently misrepresented in the media) that it prompted an unprecedented nine critical commentaries to be published in Dyslexia. These commentaries pointed out that the subjects were not randomised - the experimenters could choose whether to put each child in the treatment group or the control group - and the two groups were mismatched in a way that could have advantaged the Dore treatment. The control group's treatment was " nothing " , which was bound to produce an unfavourable result, compared with the attention lavished on children having the Dore treatment. Progress was measured, bizarrely, with screening tools rather than validated tests, as we shall see later. The statistics were flawed. The details of the treatment were explicitly withheld because it was " commercially sensitive " . The evaluators were not blinded. And so on. In fact, Dore's last storm of " miracle cure " publicity was so bizarre that Nasa was inundated with inquiries and publicly stepped in with a press release to refute claims in the Independent and New Scientist that Dore used special Nasa space technology and exercises in the cure (Dore denies involvement in these claims). When you're so out there that the guys from Star Wars have to shoot you down, then you really know you're getting somewhere. But what about this current study? Well, it's a follow-up of those original children. Hope in the Daily Mail says there were 35 children with dyslexia. In fact only 29 children were followed up in this study, and only eight of those had a diagnosis of dyslexia or dyspraxia. Some were, in fact, reading very well - up to 22 months ahead of their reading age - before the treatment started. If she'd read the study carefully she might have flagged up some other flaws in it. There was no control group this time, all the children had the Dore miracle cure, so there's no way of knowing if the improvements were due to Dore or some other factors (the passage of time, or just receiving extra input). The children's progress was again measured with the " dyslexia screening tool " , an odd choice: and gains were not made in reading, spelling, and writing in the DST, but in bead threading, balance, and rapid naming. DST is a screening test, not something you would use for repeated measures of development, and these improvements could reflect, for example, practice at doing the test. I get nerdier. The study reports benefits in Sat scores and something called " NFER " scores, but these contradict the DST data, and have other problems: Sat scores, for example, are not formal psychometric developmental measures, they are political audit tools, and they are " peer-referenced " with vague, ill-defined criteria at each level. Congratulations on getting this far. If your attention is starting to flag, then that only goes to show how commercially unattractive a real story, critically appraising real research, would be for a tabloid. I give up. It's a miracle cure. · Send your bad science to bad.science@... http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/badscience/story/0,,1939372,00.html ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Hi, Interesting! I can't claim to know much about this Dore programme as my son is not old enough to try it. In an article i read in another well respected newspaper in the UK, the Times, the study was supposed to have been in a school where they took all the children that were reading at a level well below their age, regardless of whether they had diagnosed dyspraxia, dyslexia or ADHA, did the exercises, and then a year later looked at how their reading have improved or not. I am sure the article said they had all gained appropriate age reading and continue to progress appropriately after the exercises stopped. What I keep in mind is that Wynford Dore is a parent of a child with dyslexia first, on whom all the experts had given up. I wonder if he would have some much bad publicity if he was not rich (and that was prior to the Dore foundation). It's also because the 'treatment' costs so much, but we've paid as much for specialist AV therapy for our boys in the past and it was definitely worth it I've also never seen anything about NASA space technology. From what i saw on TV it was throwing bean bags to and fro! Very simple and to do with left and right co-ordination. If i do try this i will let you all know if there is anything suspect about it. This journalist maybe right about the poor way that it was tested and it may be a different study from the school one above. maybe they tried to be moore scientific to prove themselves to the scientists. However, sometime simple is better for us parents who have more interest than scientists and are prepared to try something if it doesn't actually cause any damage... look at all of us with the vit e!!!! i bet no scientist would have been ready to propose that and it would have be impossible to test. I'll still keep an open mind and as I said let you know if there is anything to it. Uk Mummy to 8 and Rory 6, with severe verbal dyspraxia, both deaf with CI [ ] Re: DORE programme Did you guys see this recent article on Dore? May want to if not: Dyslexia 'cure' fails to pass the tests Ben Goldacre Saturday November 4, 2006 The Guardian Wouldn't it be great if there was a really expensive proprietary cure for dyslexia? Oh hang on, there is: paint tycoon Wynford Dore has developed one, with Nasa space technology. It costs £1,700, has celebrity endorsements, involves some special exercises, and it's a secret how it works, but it has been proven with experts. " A revolutionary drug-free dyslexia remedy has been hailed a wonder cure by experts, " said the Mirror on Monday. And in the Mail: " Millions of people with dyslexia have been given hope by a set of simple exercises that experts say can cure the disorder. " This most recent wave of publicity was prompted by a paper on Dore's miracle cure published in the journal Dyslexia. The story of why they should publish such a flawed study is, perhaps, for another day. But what might have made journalists approach this story with a slightly critical eye? Well, giants of investigative journalism giants Tonight with Trevor Mc and and Judy have already had their wrists slapped by the ITC for promoting Dore's as a cure for dyslexia, on two separate occasions. Those were based on a previous paper so flawed (even before it was subsequently misrepresented in the media) that it prompted an unprecedented nine critical commentaries to be published in Dyslexia. These commentaries pointed out that the subjects were not randomised - the experimenters could choose whether to put each child in the treatment group or the control group - and the two groups were mismatched in a way that could have advantaged the Dore treatment. The control group's treatment was " nothing " , which was bound to produce an unfavourable result, compared with the attention lavished on children having the Dore treatment. Progress was measured, bizarrely, with screening tools rather than validated tests, as we shall see later. The statistics were flawed. The details of the treatment were explicitly withheld because it was " commercially sensitive " . The evaluators were not blinded. And so on. In fact, Dore's last storm of " miracle cure " publicity was so bizarre that Nasa was inundated with inquiries and publicly stepped in with a press release to refute claims in the Independent and New Scientist that Dore used special Nasa space technology and exercises in the cure (Dore denies involvement in these claims). When you're so out there that the guys from Star Wars have to shoot you down, then you really know you're getting somewhere. But what about this current study? Well, it's a follow-up of those original children. Hope in the Daily Mail says there were 35 children with dyslexia. In fact only 29 children were followed up in this study, and only eight of those had a diagnosis of dyslexia or dyspraxia. Some were, in fact, reading very well - up to 22 months ahead of their reading age - before the treatment started. If she'd read the study carefully she might have flagged up some other flaws in it. There was no control group this time, all the children had the Dore miracle cure, so there's no way of knowing if the improvements were due to Dore or some other factors (the passage of time, or just receiving extra input). The children's progress was again measured with the " dyslexia screening tool " , an odd choice: and gains were not made in reading, spelling, and writing in the DST, but in bead threading, balance, and rapid naming. DST is a screening test, not something you would use for repeated measures of development, and these improvements could reflect, for example, practice at doing the test. I get nerdier. The study reports benefits in Sat scores and something called " NFER " scores, but these contradict the DST data, and have other problems: Sat scores, for example, are not formal psychometric developmental measures, they are political audit tools, and they are " peer-referenced " with vague, ill-defined criteria at each level. Congratulations on getting this far. If your attention is starting to flag, then that only goes to show how commercially unattractive a real story, critically appraising real research, would be for a tabloid. I give up. It's a miracle cure. · Send your bad science to bad.science@... http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/badscience/story/0,,1939372,00.html ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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