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Hello all.

There was a recent thread about the Frosty's. DH came home the

other day and was VERY sad. DD has been getting cheeseburgers,

fries, and a frosty. The week prior, we had ruled out the fries

after learning from a very concerned manager that their fries are

fried in a dedicated fryer, BUT, during busy period if they run out

of chicken nuggets, they " often " use the french fry fryer to make up

additional batches. She explained that they try to cook a bunch to

last and will double up the cooking using both the chicken nugget

and french fry fryers. I was thankful for her honesty and felt we

could still go to 's and let DD eat the cheeseburgers and

frostys. The other day, DH watched a prep chef restock the food

items and saw the following. With gloved hands, they restocked the

rolls. They then proceeded down the line, restocking the items in

the order they are used to make their burgers - cheese, veggies,

etc. All with the same gloves that handled the rolls. The cheese

was touched right after the rolls, and the employees took the pre-

sliced cheese and removed one slice at a time, re-stacking it in a

way that alternated the corners to allow for easier pick up. Thus,

each and every slice was touched by those gloves that had already

touched the rolls.

Just sharing this so others know and can make an informed decision.

Thankfully, DD likes salad so we are back at McD's getting a salad

and toppping it with edamame beans brought from home. No one has

complained. I am waiting for the day someone asks what kind of

salad she ahs. Maybe we will start a movement toward a new kind of

salad at McD's, one that is GF AND has a source of protein other

than wheat laced chicken.

Have a good day.

Sara, CT

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Right now the only fast food restaurant that I even halfway trust is

Chick-Fil-A. After tne Mc's fiasco I asked the Burker King

nearest our house (3 times) if they used dedicated fryers for the fries

and they told me " yes " . A couple of weekends ago we went through the

drive up for fries and my son dug an onion ring out of his fries.

Ugh! I've also heard that 's employees take the meat from

sandwiches that were made wrong and throw them into the chili so the

chili as well may have contamination issues.

Vicki

>

> Hello all.

>

> There was a recent thread about the Frosty's. DH came home the

> other day and was VERY sad. DD has been getting cheeseburgers,

> fries, and a frosty. The week prior, we had ruled out the fries

> after learning from a very concerned manager that their fries are

> fried in a dedicated fryer, BUT, during busy period if they run out

> of chicken nuggets, they " often " use the french fry fryer to make up

> additional batches. She explained that they try to cook a bunch to

> last and will double up the cooking using both the chicken nugget

> and french fry fryers.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I've also heard that 's employees take the meat from

> sandwiches that were made wrong and throw them into the chili so the

> chili as well may have contamination issues.

>

I think if the Health Dept ever got wind of that, a given

's would be shut down YESTERDAY.

If you really suspect a local 's is doing that, please call

your Health Department.

If a burger has crossed the counter, it MUST go in the trash. No

ands, ifs, or buts about it.

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The problem I have with that report is that the chili meat is crumbled and it would take a long time for an employee to crumble the hamburger meat in such a way as it would match the rest of the chili meat. We've had inumerable orders of chili and have never had meat that looked chopped up.fridgudare2003 wrote: Right now the only fast food restaurant that I even halfway trust is Chick-Fil-A. After tne Mc's fiasco I asked the Burker King nearest our house (3 times) if they used dedicated fryers for the

fries and they told me "yes". A couple of weekends ago we went through the drive up for fries and my son dug an onion ring out of his fries. Ugh! I've also heard that 's employees take the meat from sandwiches that were made wrong and throw them into the chili so the chili as well may have contamination issues.Vicki>> Hello all. > > There was a recent thread about the Frosty's. DH came home the > other day and was VERY sad. DD has been getting cheeseburgers, > fries, and a frosty. The week prior, we had ruled out the fries > after learning from a very concerned manager that their fries are > fried in a dedicated fryer, BUT, during busy period if they run out > of chicken nuggets, they "often" use the french fry fryer to make up > additional

batches. She explained that they try to cook a bunch to > last and will double up the cooking using both the chicken nugget > and french fry fryers.>

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On thing you have to watch with the Chili is the cheese. Once I ordered chili and the girl took the container over to where they were making the buns. The person who was working with the buns... reached into the cheese with her gloved hand and put the cheese in the chili.

Of course, I didn't take the chili... I tried to tell them about cross contamination... but it went in on ear and out the other... all the girl did was giggle... Of course, I won't eat there again!

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> >

> > I've also heard that 's employees take the meat from

> > sandwiches that were made wrong and throw them into the chili so

the

> > chili as well may have contamination issues.

> >

>

> I think if the Health Dept ever got wind of that, a given

> 's would be shut down YESTERDAY.

>

> If you really suspect a local 's is doing that, please call

> your Health Department.

>

> If a burger has crossed the counter, it MUST go in the trash. No

> ands, ifs, or buts about it.

I've been told several times that LEFTOVER burger patties are used in

's chili, not ones that customers have returned/rejected.

Yet another reason I don't eat commercially made chili...

Maureen

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>

> I've been told several times that LEFTOVER burger patties are used in

> 's chili, not ones that customers have returned/rejected.

>

>

That still sounds like " food poisoning just waiting to pick a victim " .

I bet the Health Department wouldn't be too keen on that either.

If you REALLY believe it's happening, please call your health

department.

Esther in RI

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We ate at 's awhile back and I ordered chili and when it came with cheese the cheese was grated. Do they not carry that at all stores? It should solve the cc problem.

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> >

> > I've been told several times that LEFTOVER burger patties are

used in

> > 's chili, not ones that customers have returned/rejected.

> >

> >

>

> That still sounds like " food poisoning just waiting to pick a

victim " .

> I bet the Health Department wouldn't be too keen on that either.

> If you REALLY believe it's happening, please call your health

> department.

>

> Esther in RI

Why would I disbelieve both managers of the local stores and

somebody from the corporate offices? They say patties that sit

unused too long are tossed in a bin in the fridge and used the next

day for chili. If it was as dangerous as you say, I think there

would be a public health outcry over mass illness. As it is, we

don't go to 's at all, but that's because we think a) none of

the food is GF and it always tasted nasty anyway.

Maureen

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The health department wouldn't even blink an eye at leftover hamburger patties

used in the chili. The only thing they would worry about at that level is if

the patties were stored in the appropriate temperatures for the time they were

out or put away. I worked in restaurants and managed restaurants for over 12

years. We used leftover things all the time. That is just they way it goes.

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I worked in a 's about 15+ yrs ago when I was in high school. Back then, the chili meat came from the burgers that were cooked, but there were no customers. The meat was placed in a metal container beneath the stove (its a refrigerated section where they keep the mayo, lettuce, tomatoes, etc)

>> I've been told several times that LEFTOVER burger patties are used in > 's chili, not ones that customers have returned/rejected. >

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Ack! Well, if we all write them and tell them they're going to lose all

the wheat, gluten intolerant people as customers they might reconsider

the ringers. They can't possibly tempt that many people to go back and

order onion rings.

As to 's, I've gotten chili at one of the local restaurants that

had obvious hamburger patty pieces in it. (You know they were a little

too flat to be crumbled ground beef. And some of the pieces were

rather large as well.) I've seen on celiac forums where former

employees have spoken of this practice.

Vicki

Then, on the way back from Florida a month ago we stopped

> at a BK, the only place nearby at the time (desperation) and ordered

a

> kids meal for my son (I checked the fries first, no onion ring.)

> WELLLLL, on the french fry container was a whole little story

> about " Ringers. " This is a practice not a mistake! BK will

> purposefully drop an onion ring into the bottom of the fries to tempt

> people to try their onion rings. How's that for a bad idea?

>

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That wasn't the point I was trying to make. Normally, in many of the 's they have a dedicated grated cheese for the chili and that area is near the chili. That area is away from the buns.

Not so here in NJ. The cheese they use in both 's here is in an open pan and sits right next to where they assemble the hamburgers. There is more to think about than just gloves touching the cheese. It is very possible that crumbs can get into the cheese with this type of set up.

I just don't want everyone to think that all 's are similar in how they handle the food. I thought they were until I walked into the 's here.

If there is a question, then you can order it without cheese or bring your own.

The smallest amount of gluten makes me very sick in 20 minutes and it takes three weeks for me to feel better. I'm in bed during that first week and very weak and sick. So, that's why I am very, very careful.

-- Carol M HeppnerUpdated website: www.carolheppner.comNew Paper Arts Book: INKING by Carol Heppner (Sterling/Chapelle) 2006

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PS. I don't need to save my money to go to eat at a 5 star restaurant. I deserve quality treatment no matter where I go. After all, I treat people with the same respect (or lack there of) as they treat me.

-- Carol M HeppnerUpdated website: www.carolheppner.comNew Paper Arts Book: INKING by Carol Heppner (Sterling/Chapelle) 2006

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That's what I hate about my response to gluten. I don't get sick right away and my stomach is fine. I just get very tired and foggy. It doesn't last as long as yours, but it does take 4 to 5 days to clear. Long enough to think twice about some foods, but not long enough to keep me from eating places with reasonable accomadations. I really don't think I would eat anywhere except home or the better establishments if I got as sick as you. It just isn't worth it!!! "The smallest amount of gluten makes me very sick in 20 minutes and it takes three weeks for me to feel better. I'm in bed during that first week and very weak and sick. So, that's why I am very, very careful." Carol Heppner wrote: That wasn't the point I was trying to make. Normally, in many of the 's they have a dedicated grated cheese for the chili and that area is near the chili. That area is away from the buns. Not so here in NJ. The cheese they use in both 's here is in an open pan and sits right next to where they assemble the hamburgers. There is more to think about than just gloves touching the cheese. It is very possible that crumbs can get into the cheese with this type of set up. I just don't want everyone to think that all 's are similar in how they handle the food. I thought they were until I

walked into the 's here. If there is a question, then you can order it without cheese or bring your own. The smallest amount of gluten makes me very sick in 20 minutes and it takes three weeks for me to feel better. I'm in bed during that first week and very weak and sick. So, that's why I am very, very careful. -- Carol M HeppnerUpdated website: www.carolheppner.comNew Paper Arts Book: INKING by Carol Heppner (Sterling/Chapelle) 2006

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,

You and I would be missing out on a lot in life if we only at at expensive places and at home.

Life, in it self, is a risk. That's why we have to keep our eyes open - and enjoy it.

I have certain low cost places where we eat and they are " safe. " Now, there are other times.... where I'll eat then go out to " dinner " with friends.. and just have tea (some times a salad). Friends and family understand my needs and it doesn't bother them.

I plan what I am going to eat in advance... so I don't have to rely on fast food... but 's was always one place that I thougth would be safe... after my experience and reading this thread... I know I have to keep my eyes open.

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>

>

> I've been in 's in PA and they are fine...

I've been to precisely one 's in PA. It was the 's from

the underworld. I swear, I'd rather starve to death than go back

to that particular 's.

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Okay, so I do not want to get into this whole fast food debate as I

feel eating out is always a risk, so you have to pick your own

battles. Anyway, I do have a question for all of you. MANY, MANY

of you talk about how people wear gloves and you ask them to change

gloves, etc, etc. I don't know if I am in a different world or

what, but I haven't seen people wear gloves for years in the

restaurant business. Just yesterday, it was just one of those days

and we had too much going on, so we stopped at Mc's for a

quick dinner. I was watching them prepare food and I asked about

gloves because not one single person back there was wearing gloves

and the manager told me they didn't have any. Now I don't know if

she said that because it was really busy and didn't want her

employees to take the time to put them on or not. But, we have been

in there many times and no one ever has them on. Granted I don't

usually get sick there, but it still concerns me....not just for the

gluten goblins, but just for basic health reasons. Now, this is not

the only place that I have experienced this. I was also talking to

my husband about it and he works a part-time job as a cook at a

restaurant. He has cooked for most of his adult life and he told me

that he also has never seen anyone wear gloves. He said that

everyone that has worked under him washes their hands often, but no

gloves. So, I guess my question is this...do all of you see people

wearing gloves when you eat out? And if not, do you ask them to?

What is the response you get? I honestly have yet to find a place

where they do wear gloves. Anyway, that is my big beef for the day.

Rhiannon

>

> Not to beat a dead horse to death, but I think the " oops "

hamburgers

> that were thrown into the chili pot were (hopefully) caught before

> crossing the counter.

> I'd love to take my kids out for some fast food occasionally. It

> would give me a break and more importantly give my kids a sense of

> normalcy. However, it's also a good idea to be aware of what can

go

> wrong. I don't need fast food joints to contaminate my kids. I

have

> Grandma for that!

>

> Vicki

>

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In e9g5nv+303k (AT) eGroups (DOT) com>, on 07/17/06

at 02:10 PM, " Rhiannon " renin77@...> typed:

>Anyway, I do have a question for all of you. MANY, MANY

>of you talk about how people wear gloves and you ask them to change

>gloves, etc, etc. I don't know if I am in a different world or what,

>but I haven't seen people wear gloves for years in the restaurant

>business.

That may depend on the location and the state or local health dept.

regulations. Not sure, just a thought.

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Funny you should ask! At the malls i see gloves all the time but at my

local eateries no gloves, Hospital Cafeteria gloves.......hmmmmmmm

Mimi

n wrote:

In <e9g5nv+303k (AT) eGroups (DOT) com>, on 07/17/06 at 02:10 PM, "Rhiannon" typed:

Anyway, I do have a question for all of you. MANY, MANY of you talk about how people wear gloves and you ask them to change gloves, etc, etc. I don't know if I am in a different world or what,

but I haven't seen people wear gloves for years in the restaurant

business.

That may depend on the location and the state or local health dept.

regulations. Not sure, just a thought.

[Guest guest]

I was at McDs a couple days ago and noticed they did all have gloves

on. I was a bit nervous, however, when I noticed one worker opening

heating drawers and manually taking out chicken nuggets, patties,

etc. when the next person down was opening similar drawers where the

meat patties were kept hot. Fortunately, the burger maker was using

tongs and even though the two were close, they didn't seem to

overlap. It did make me wonder where they kept the grilled chicken

patties (didn't see them) and if they use the same tongs. Can one

reach a maximum level of paranoia? Anyway, Chipotle's workers always

have on gloves as do Subway's. VA may have regulations?

>

> So, I guess my question is this...do all of you see people

> wearing gloves when you eat out? And if not, do you ask them to?

> What is the response you get? I honestly have yet to find a place

> where they do wear gloves. Anyway, that is my big beef for the

day.

>

> Rhiannon

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Your state Department of Health should be able to give you information on what

is

required by law for not just gloves, but their ability to use items that have

been

returned. I believe it generally against health code to reuse ANY food product

that has

been handed to a customer. Technically, even the sealed ketchup packets. It is a

matter

of public safety, not just for illness but for tampering as well.

Another piece of the puzzle, is how much your state is willing to spend to see

that

health codes are followed..... Before we moved from Florida, there was a news

story about

how " backed up " the state health department was on its inspections. If I

remember

correctly, it was over 60,000 cases. It was pretty bad in my opinion.

Restaurants with a

large number of violations that MIGHT get inspected once a year. There was

little if any

follow-up on the violations to see if restaurants were complying to the

regulations. It

was sickening to put it mildly. And I have always been amazed at the number of

places

allowed to have only cold running water in the bathrooms -- even doctor's

offices! How

long have we known that it takes both soap and WARM water to kill germs???

Cheryl in MN

Cheryl

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Maybe it is a state by state law. I see Colorado restaurant workers wearing gloves all the time.

Denver Donna

Re: 's -FYI - long

Okay, so I do not want to get into this whole fast food debate as I feel eating out is always a risk, so you have to pick your own battles. Anyway, I do have a question for all of you. MANY, MANY of you talk about how people wear gloves and you ask them to change gloves, etc, etc. I don't know if I am in a different world or what, but I haven't seen people wear gloves for years in the restaurant business. Just yesterday, it was just one of those days and we had too much going on, so we stopped at Mc's for a quick dinner. I was watching them prepare food and I asked about gloves because not one single person back there was wearing gloves and the manager told me they didn't have any. Now I don't know if she said that because it was really busy and didn't want her employees to take the time to put them on or not. But, we have been in there many times and no one ever has them on. Granted I don't usually get sick there, but it still concerns me....not just for the gluten goblins, but just for basic health reasons. Now, this is not the only place that I have experienced this. I was also talking to my husband about it and he works a part-time job as a cook at a restaurant. He has cooked for most of his adult life and he told me that he also has never seen anyone wear gloves. He said that everyone that has worked under him washes their hands often, but no gloves. So, I guess my question is this...do all of you see people wearing gloves when you eat out? And if not, do you ask them to? What is the response you get? I honestly have yet to find a place where they do wear gloves. Anyway, that is my big beef for the day. Rhiannon>> Not to beat a dead horse to death, but I think the "oops" hamburgers > that were thrown into the chili pot were (hopefully) caught before > crossing the counter. > I'd love to take my kids out for some fast food occasionally. It > would give me a break and more importantly give my kids a sense of > normalcy. However, it's also a good idea to be aware of what can go > wrong. I don't need fast food joints to contaminate my kids. I have > Grandma for that!> > Vicki>

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It is true- I worked there for several years and it was a pretty

common thing to put the meat from a mistake burger into a metal

container on the back of the grill. (along with some other gross

things I will spare you). It was boiled for hours. It is then,

drained, put in a large metal pan and chopped using the metal

spatulas they turn the meat with on the grill. Unless they have

changed since I worked there that is how the meat is prepared! It

looks finely chopped and pretty uniform when you are done. Add water,

a bag of frozen veggies and a seasoning mix and wala 's Chili.

Does not take long at all!

> >

> > Hello all.

> >

> > There was a recent thread about the Frosty's. DH came home the

> > other day and was VERY sad. DD has been getting cheeseburgers,

> > fries, and a frosty. The week prior, we had ruled out the fries

> > after learning from a very concerned manager that their fries are

> > fried in a dedicated fryer, BUT, during busy period if they run

out

> > of chicken nuggets, they " often " use the french fry fryer to make

up

> > additional batches. She explained that they try to cook a bunch

to

> > last and will double up the cooking using both the chicken nugget

> > and french fry fryers.

> >

>

>

>

>

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I also worked at 's for about 2 years, right after high school.

It's absolutely true. All the meat that has been on the grill " too

long " goes into a stainless steal pan in the fridge underneath. Same

with " goof burgers " --- the meat is taken off the bun and thrown into

the pan. The meat is then put in the fridge till the next morning, and

it's boiled to remove excess fat, and then chopped and stirred into

the chili preparation.

Kris