IEP

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/16/2006 5:09:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

gina_hly@... writes:

I hope this work's out I do not want to go to court....due process is

expensive...

thankx

gina

Have you sought out an advocate?

There are now advocates around my area and they are provided free by some

division of our state government. (They weren't around when I was fighting the

district -- or if they were, they were in hiding, grin) One of the other moms

on this list, Cheryl, has told me about them and even shared the phone number

so that if I ever have that need in the future, I can find the gentleman who

was so helpful for her.

Perhaps there is a service like this in your area. If so, then you would

have someone to attend these meetings and help you get things done and avoid the

need due process.

We've been where you are and I know it's not fun! We'd agree to one thing

and something else would arrive in the official IEP, or they would word it so

that what we agreed to was there but the actual service was different. A

personal FM system became a sound field. A TOD every day for 45 minutes became

an

hour a week total ... then 3 times a week for a half hour each day with a

review at the 10-week point to assess ongoing need. It never was quite what we'd

expect, even after I'd taken to handing them my handwritten list of what I

was agreeing to at the end of the meeting.

I'd send letters and they'd convene meetings, agree to fix things and then

change something else or creatively word the changes so they could be

interpreted in a variety of ways. My district was famous for its pointless

meetings

that accomplished nothing, but were always had within the legal time limit.

<

>

This is why it is good to tape record contentious IEP meetings. A lot of

parents have done this and then used the tapes to confirm what happened in the

meeting. That way you have proof of what was said. You are legally allowed to

do this. Next time bring along a tape recorder, extra batteries (so you won't

have to rely on having an electric outlet nearby), an extra tape -- and most

importantly, a friend whose only job is to take care of the tape recorder.

There have been stories on this list (I think) from parents who have

described arriving with their tape recorder and friend, and finding that since

there

was going to be a taped record of the meeting, the district people were far

more fair and honest. Then they can't claim a version he-said-she-said and

that you silly parents misunderstood what they meant.

Also, you have a right to get copies of all that paperwork, so don't be shy

in asking for it, even demanding that it be provided.

I wish you patience,

Jill

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,,

Why do the schools lie ???When I recieved the Iep I had

to beg for.....It did not say all the things we agreed about...

ex;Reading group,fast for word, fm system, they cut speech from 3x to

1x a week....none of it listed in the document....

I wrote a follow up letter to the study team, Cc to

director , certified to superintendent..I sent him a copy of my son's

reading evaluation...return reciept requested...

They were not going to give me a copy of the iep

document

from the 26 april meeting...I called to follow up...they said we

have plenty of time...I said no you don't you have 15 days.....It

went out immediatly....so did my letters.....

I asked for an immediate meeting with the supervisor

present...... all this and I have to remain composed.....my voice is

calm when I speak to them....It is almost fnny what they try to do...

I hope this work's out I do not want to go to court....due process is

expensive...

thankx

gina

[Guest guest]

I always asked for a copy of what they wrote at the meeting. I sat down and

wouldn't leave until they gave it to me. I told them I didn't want to wait to

see what they typed up, I wanted to to think about it while it was fresh in my

mind. I got the handwritten notes that way. Had to do this several times.

Also taped. As to why they lie?? I don't know and personally, I think any

educator that lies to a parent should be fired and have their teaching license

removed permanently. But in my district, lying was the usual way of doing

things for special ed, at least the administrators. The director of special ed

in my county told us point blank at mediation that " We don't know nothin about

the hearing impaired program at the University of GA. " Which is like a high

school principal in Georgia saying " We don't know nothin about the football

program at UGA! It was only the ONLY place in the state that prepared teachers

of the deaf and audiologists for many years. And the school audie who was

sitting next to him did all her continuing ed there and was good friends with

several professors. He hired all sorts of people who came out of that program!

Oh , I've been in your shoes and it is AWFUL. Cyber hugs. Ditto on the

advocate. Where are you?

Re: IEP

>

>

>In a message dated 5/16/2006 5:09:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>gina_hly@... writes:

>

>I hope this work's out I do not want to go to court....due process is

>expensive...

>

>thankx

>

>gina

>

>

>

>

>

>Have you sought out an advocate?

>

>There are now advocates around my area and they are provided free by some

>division of our state government. (They weren't around when I was fighting the

>district -- or if they were, they were in hiding, grin) One of the other moms

>on this list, Cheryl, has told me about them and even shared the phone number

>so that if I ever have that need in the future, I can find the gentleman who

>was so helpful for her.

>

>Perhaps there is a service like this in your area. If so, then you would

>have someone to attend these meetings and help you get things done and avoid

the

>need due process.

>

>We've been where you are and I know it's not fun! We'd agree to one thing

>and something else would arrive in the official IEP, or they would word it so

>that what we agreed to was there but the actual service was different. A

>personal FM system became a sound field. A TOD every day for 45 minutes became

an

>hour a week total ... then 3 times a week for a half hour each day with a

>review at the 10-week point to assess ongoing need. It never was quite what

we'd

>expect, even after I'd taken to handing them my handwritten list of what I

>was agreeing to at the end of the meeting.

>

> I'd send letters and they'd convene meetings, agree to fix things and then

>change something else or creatively word the changes so they could be

>interpreted in a variety of ways. My district was famous for its pointless

meetings

>that accomplished nothing, but were always had within the legal time limit.

>

><

things we agreed about...

>ex;Reading group,fast for word, fm system, they cut speech from 3x to 1x a

>week....none of it listed in the document....

>... They were not going to give me a copy of the iep document from the 26

>april meeting...>>

>

>This is why it is good to tape record contentious IEP meetings. A lot of

>parents have done this and then used the tapes to confirm what happened in the

>meeting. That way you have proof of what was said. You are legally allowed to

>do this. Next time bring along a tape recorder, extra batteries (so you won't

>have to rely on having an electric outlet nearby), an extra tape -- and most

>importantly, a friend whose only job is to take care of the tape recorder.

>

>There have been stories on this list (I think) from parents who have

>described arriving with their tape recorder and friend, and finding that since

there

>was going to be a taped record of the meeting, the district people were far

>more fair and honest. Then they can't claim a version he-said-she-said and

>that you silly parents misunderstood what they meant.

>

>Also, you have a right to get copies of all that paperwork, so don't be shy

>in asking for it, even demanding that it be provided.

>

>I wish you patience,

>Jill

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am in New Jersey....There is no excuse for this.......Did you go before the

board prior to mediation??That is my next step....The advocate said to call a

private working board meeting.....

last year they wanted to put my son in with the cognitive imparied class...he

is not,

I refused//////

any suggestions?

gina

pcknott@... wrote:

I always asked for a copy of what they wrote at the meeting. I sat down and

wouldn't leave until they gave it to me. I told them I didn't want to wait to

see what they typed up, I wanted to to think about it while it was fresh in my

mind. I got the handwritten notes that way. Had to do this several times.

Also taped. As to why they lie?? I don't know and personally, I think any

educator that lies to a parent should be fired and have their teaching license

removed permanently. But in my district, lying was the usual way of doing

things for special ed, at least the administrators. The director of special ed

in my county told us point blank at mediation that " We don't know nothin about

the hearing impaired program at the University of GA. " Which is like a high

school principal in Georgia saying " We don't know nothin about the football

program at UGA! It was only the ONLY place in the state that prepared teachers

of the deaf and audiologists for many years. And the

school audie who was sitting next to him did all her continuing ed there and

was good friends with several professors. He hired all sorts of people who

came out of that program! Oh , I've been in your shoes and it is AWFUL.

Cyber hugs. Ditto on the advocate. Where are you?

Re: IEP

>

>

>In a message dated 5/16/2006 5:09:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>gina_hly@... writes:

>

>I hope this work's out I do not want to go to court....due process is

>expensive...

>

>thankx

>

>gina

>

>

>

>

>

>Have you sought out an advocate?

>

>There are now advocates around my area and they are provided free by some

>division of our state government. (They weren't around when I was fighting the

>district -- or if they were, they were in hiding, grin) One of the other moms

>on this list, Cheryl, has told me about them and even shared the phone number

>so that if I ever have that need in the future, I can find the gentleman who

>was so helpful for her.

>

>Perhaps there is a service like this in your area. If so, then you would

>have someone to attend these meetings and help you get things done and avoid

the

>need due process.

>

>We've been where you are and I know it's not fun! We'd agree to one thing

>and something else would arrive in the official IEP, or they would word it so

>that what we agreed to was there but the actual service was different. A

>personal FM system became a sound field. A TOD every day for 45 minutes became

an

>hour a week total ... then 3 times a week for a half hour each day with a

>review at the 10-week point to assess ongoing need. It never was quite what

we'd

>expect, even after I'd taken to handing them my handwritten list of what I

>was agreeing to at the end of the meeting.

>

> I'd send letters and they'd convene meetings, agree to fix things and then

>change something else or creatively word the changes so they could be

>interpreted in a variety of ways. My district was famous for its pointless

meetings

>that accomplished nothing, but were always had within the legal time limit.

>

><

things we agreed about...

>ex;Reading group,fast for word, fm system, they cut speech from 3x to 1x a

>week....none of it listed in the document....

>... They were not going to give me a copy of the iep document from the 26

>april meeting...>>

>

>This is why it is good to tape record contentious IEP meetings. A lot of

>parents have done this and then used the tapes to confirm what happened in the

>meeting. That way you have proof of what was said. You are legally allowed to

>do this. Next time bring along a tape recorder, extra batteries (so you won't

>have to rely on having an electric outlet nearby), an extra tape -- and most

>importantly, a friend whose only job is to take care of the tape recorder.

>

>There have been stories on this list (I think) from parents who have

>described arriving with their tape recorder and friend, and finding that since

there

>was going to be a taped record of the meeting, the district people were far

>more fair and honest. Then they can't claim a version he-said-she-said and

>that you silly parents misunderstood what they meant.

>

>Also, you have a right to get copies of all that paperwork, so don't be shy

>in asking for it, even demanding that it be provided.

>

>I wish you patience,

>Jill

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I went in with a hired advocate ..And know we have to go back it will

be another check for her .....She gets paid per meeting........

.She told me it took her 5 years to get remedial reading for one client...

my district will not budge.....Well I sent the reading evaluation to the

superintendent

he has no choice to remediate ......He has to sign for it.....

gina

JillcWood@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/16/2006 5:09:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

gina_hly@... writes:

I hope this work's out I do not want to go to court....due process is

expensive...

thankx

gina

Have you sought out an advocate?

There are now advocates around my area and they are provided free by some

division of our state government. (They weren't around when I was fighting the

district -- or if they were, they were in hiding, grin) One of the other moms

on this list, Cheryl, has told me about them and even shared the phone number

so that if I ever have that need in the future, I can find the gentleman who

was so helpful for her.

Perhaps there is a service like this in your area. If so, then you would

have someone to attend these meetings and help you get things done and avoid the

need due process.

We've been where you are and I know it's not fun! We'd agree to one thing

and something else would arrive in the official IEP, or they would word it so

that what we agreed to was there but the actual service was different. A

personal FM system became a sound field. A TOD every day for 45 minutes became

an

hour a week total ... then 3 times a week for a half hour each day with a

review at the 10-week point to assess ongoing need. It never was quite what we'd

expect, even after I'd taken to handing them my handwritten list of what I

was agreeing to at the end of the meeting.

I'd send letters and they'd convene meetings, agree to fix things and then

change something else or creatively word the changes so they could be

interpreted in a variety of ways. My district was famous for its pointless

meetings

that accomplished nothing, but were always had within the legal time limit.

<

>

This is why it is good to tape record contentious IEP meetings. A lot of

parents have done this and then used the tapes to confirm what happened in the

meeting. That way you have proof of what was said. You are legally allowed to

do this. Next time bring along a tape recorder, extra batteries (so you won't

have to rely on having an electric outlet nearby), an extra tape -- and most

importantly, a friend whose only job is to take care of the tape recorder.

There have been stories on this list (I think) from parents who have

described arriving with their tape recorder and friend, and finding that since

there

was going to be a taped record of the meeting, the district people were far

more fair and honest. Then they can't claim a version he-said-she-said and

that you silly parents misunderstood what they meant.

Also, you have a right to get copies of all that paperwork, so don't be shy

in asking for it, even demanding that it be provided.

I wish you patience,

Jill

[Guest guest]

Just FYI--I do not leave any type of IEP meeting without the meeting

paperwork in my hands. They don't always like it but TOUGH. I have a

meeting in the morning about placement and I forsee if being a rough

morning.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

No, I've not ever heard of doing that. Our board can only meet in private

session if it is about an employment matter or a real estate transaction. It

could be really effective if you have good evidence. I'm sure the school folks

will try to paint you as an unreasonable parent who wants a cadillac education.

So you have to prove that isn't true. During our battle, I actually knew someone

on the board and talked briefly with her about it. She gave me the phone number

of another board member. This board member had a son with CP and he HATED the

special ed director, made it his goal to get rid of the guy, it was actually a

big part of the reason he ran for the school board, though he never was able to

due to tenure rules. After the mediation, actually after Due Process, I met

with the president of the board. They all realized that we were treated like

dirt, and also realized that in several other cases that the special ed guy had

lied to them. But it seemed that because he was " certificated " he could only be

fired if he did something that was illegal. I spoke out at board meetings for

several years. I knew the new superintendent of schools on a first name basis

and met with him several times. But due to tenure, you can't fire a " teacher "

for doing their job wrong, or doing a crummy job, or for doing nothing at all.

So what happened to the special ed director? He got promoted! He's now an

assistant superintendent. They filed Due Process against us because we asked

for an independent evaluation, then at the hearing, they settled we got

everything we asked for plus they paid for auditory verbal for a year. We also

won an OCR complaint about how they decided kids were eligible for 504s and

another group won an OCR complaint because their interpreters were unqualified.

We had a very biased mediator but there are some that are terrific. You will

need expert opinion for Due Process, usually that happens by getting an

independent eval and they testify to what the child really needs. I don't

recommend Due Process, it will cost you what a year in an oral school would

cost. Plus it will take years off your life. Sometimes though it is the right

thing to do.

Re: IEP

>>

>>

>>In a message dated 5/16/2006 5:09:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>>gina_hly@... writes:

>>

>>I hope this work's out I do not want to go to court....due process is

>>expensive...

>>

>>thankx

>>

>>gina

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>Have you sought out an advocate?

>>

>>There are now advocates around my area and they are provided free by some

>>division of our state government. (They weren't around when I was fighting the

>>district -- or if they were, they were in hiding, grin) One of the other moms

>>on this list, Cheryl, has told me about them and even shared the phone number

>>so that if I ever have that need in the future, I can find the gentleman who

>>was so helpful for her.

>>

>>Perhaps there is a service like this in your area. If so, then you would

>>have someone to attend these meetings and help you get things done and avoid

the

>>need due process.

>>

>>We've been where you are and I know it's not fun! We'd agree to one thing

>>and something else would arrive in the official IEP, or they would word it so

>>that what we agreed to was there but the actual service was different. A

>>personal FM system became a sound field. A TOD every day for 45 minutes became

an

>>hour a week total ... then 3 times a week for a half hour each day with a

>>review at the 10-week point to assess ongoing need. It never was quite what

we'd

>>expect, even after I'd taken to handing them my handwritten list of what I

>>was agreeing to at the end of the meeting.

>>

>> I'd send letters and they'd convene meetings, agree to fix things and then

>>change something else or creatively word the changes so they could be

>>interpreted in a variety of ways. My district was famous for its pointless

meetings

>>that accomplished nothing, but were always had within the legal time limit.

>>

>><

>things we agreed about...

>>ex;Reading group,fast for word, fm system, they cut speech from 3x to 1x a

>>week....none of it listed in the document....

>>... They were not going to give me a copy of the iep document from the 26

>>april meeting...>>

>>

>>This is why it is good to tape record contentious IEP meetings. A lot of

>>parents have done this and then used the tapes to confirm what happened in the

>>meeting. That way you have proof of what was said. You are legally allowed to

>>do this. Next time bring along a tape recorder, extra batteries (so you won't

>>have to rely on having an electric outlet nearby), an extra tape -- and most

>>importantly, a friend whose only job is to take care of the tape recorder.

>>

>>There have been stories on this list (I think) from parents who have

>>described arriving with their tape recorder and friend, and finding that since

there

>>was going to be a taped record of the meeting, the district people were far

>>more fair and honest. Then they can't claim a version he-said-she-said and

>>that you silly parents misunderstood what they meant.

>>

>>Also, you have a right to get copies of all that paperwork, so don't be shy

>>in asking for it, even demanding that it be provided.

>>

>>I wish you patience,

>>Jill

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I have done battle with our County for 15 years now. I have done it

all....mediation, due process, official complaints. Attorneys, self

representation, advocates...even Donna Sorkin who was then head of SHHH and ASHA

audiologists and professors of audiology. The most effective method I have

found is to file complaint after complaint with the State Department of

Education, The US Department of Education, The US Department of Education Office

for Civil Rights. The more documentation that you offer, the harder it is for

the school system to ignore your complaints. Especially, if you can get others

in your situation to also file complaints. I was advised by our local advocacy

attorneys that the complaint process was NOT the way to get what your child

needs. It has been the most effective method ever. I literally have three tall

file cabinets full of complaints...one 420 pages. Considering, that each time,

they only will acknowledge approx 5 to 10 percent of your complaints as

valid, you eventually peck away at each problem.

-------------- Original message --------------

> Yes I went in with a hired advocate ..And know we have to go back it will

>

> be another check for her .....She gets paid per meeting........

>

> .She told me it took her 5 years to get remedial reading for one client...

>

> my district will not budge.....Well I sent the reading evaluation to the

> superintendent

>

> he has no choice to remediate ......He has to sign for it.....

>

> gina

>

> JillcWood@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 5/16/2006 5:09:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> gina_hly@... writes:

>

> I hope this work's out I do not want to go to court....due process is

> expensive...

>

> thankx

>

> gina

>

>

>

>

>

> Have you sought out an advocate?

>

> There are now advocates around my area and they are provided free by some

> division of our state government. (They weren't around when I was fighting the

> district -- or if they were, they were in hiding, grin) One of the other moms

> on this list, Cheryl, has told me about them and even shared the phone number

> so that if I ever have that need in the future, I can find the gentleman who

> was so helpful for her.

>

> Perhaps there is a service like this in your area. If so, then you would

> have someone to attend these meetings and help you get things done and avoid

the

> need due process.

>

> We've been where you are and I know it's not fun! We'd agree to one thing

> and something else would arrive in the official IEP, or they would word it so

> that what we agreed to was there but the actual service was different. A

> personal FM system became a sound field. A TOD every day for 45 minutes became

> an

> hour a week total ... then 3 times a week for a half hour each day with a

> review at the 10-week point to assess ongoing need. It never was quite what

we'd

> expect, even after I'd taken to handing them my handwritten list of what I

> was agreeing to at the end of the meeting.

>

> I'd send letters and they'd convene meetings, agree to fix things and then

> change something else or creatively word the changes so they could be

> interpreted in a variety of ways. My district was famous for its pointless

> meetings

> that accomplished nothing, but were always had within the legal time limit.

>

> <> things we agreed about...

> ex;Reading group,fast for word, fm system, they cut speech from 3x to 1x a

> week....none of it listed in the document....

> ... They were not going to give me a copy of the iep document from the 26

> april meeting...>>

>

> This is why it is good to tape record contentious IEP meetings. A lot of

> parents have done this and then used the tapes to confirm what happened in the

> meeting. That way you have proof of what was said. You are legally allowed to

> do this. Next time bring along a tape recorder, extra batteries (so you won't

> have to rely on having an electric outlet nearby), an extra tape -- and most

> importantly, a friend whose only job is to take care of the tape recorder.

>

> There have been stories on this list (I think) from parents who have

> described arriving with their tape recorder and friend, and finding that since

> there

> was going to be a taped record of the meeting, the district people were far

> more fair and honest. Then they can't claim a version he-said-she-said and

> that you silly parents misunderstood what they meant.

>

> Also, you have a right to get copies of all that paperwork, so don't be shy

> in asking for it, even demanding that it be provided.

>

> I wish you patience,

> Jill

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/16/2006 10:37:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

pcknott@... writes:

But due to tenure, you can't fire a " teacher " for doing their job wrong, or

doing a crummy job, or for doing nothing at all.

We're a family of teachers who work all over the country and you can fire a

teacher for not doing their job or for doing it badly in any part of the

country.

You just can't walk in and say " out you go, now. " There are procedures for

getting rid of a teacher and they are, by law, private. If a teacher is going

through the disciplinary process, then no one is permitted to discuss it

with you guys (the parents) or even with the school board. It's an internal

matter. You can approach the board and ask that a teacher be brought up on

disciplinary charges or for a disciplinary review, but after that, it's none of

the

parents' business where it goes.

The district has to want to get rid of the teacher and to believe that

he/she is doing a bad job. If this Spec Ed director was serving some kids well

and

keeping his budget down, then your district probably didn't have the urge or

the documentation to fire the guy.

It's a complex procedures to fire a teacher and honestly, those procedures

are there for very good reasons. I could tell stories where these rules

protected good teachers as well as how they were used to get rid of bad ones.

And I

also know of an instance where a teacher was not permitted to even finish

out a day of classes (and there was no physical/sexual abuse involved). It

really depends on the specific circumstances.

Our old Spec Ed director left in the middle of a year and that is not

something one usually does voluntarily. Knowing that I had set the State Ed Dept

onto him, I know some of the details. If there is reason to get rid of the man

in your district, there are ways to do it.

Best -- Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/18/2006 10:57:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

babydewe2@... writes:

OK...I have a question. Do most of you get your paperwork after the IEP?

We always get ours at the end of the IEP meeting. It's all handwritten on

carbonless copy paper. I've never received any " typed " paperwork later.

We've gotten both and neither, depending on which year's IEP we're talking

about. There were times when I had to practically stage a sit-in to get a copy

of the notes.

Our district has used a variety of techniques for note taking during the

meetings, usually recording secretary types on a computer and can just print

that out. Other times, she's used old fashioned short-hand and needed to

transcribe it so we don't get a copy until we saw the IEP.

Our official IEP was correct/appropriate only once in 4 years, no matter

what the notes said. That year we had all new personnel and it was the turning

point after which, Ian's services have been appropriate and relatively hassle

free.

We've never been given an official sign-off sheet for our IEPs. A few weeks

after the meeting we'll get the official IEP/IAP plan in the mail. I read

through it and see if everything is in there were it should be, worded to our

satisfaction. At that point I will send a letter saying we agree or that we

don't.

Unlike our history for these proceedings, yesterday we had our annual

meeting and I walked out without official meeting notes. I received copies of

the

evaluations and testing results, and am not at all worried. I watched the 504

plan being reworked -- literally being written on with the minor changes. I

took my own notes about those few changes and am sure they will be made

appropriately. If not, I'll be sending the usual letter and I'll disagree with

whatever isn't right.

Best -- Jill

[Guest guest]

OK...I have a question. Do most of you get your paperwork after the IEP? We

always get ours at the end of the IEP meeting. It's all handwritten on

carbonless copy paper. I've never received any " typed " paperwork later.

Debbie mom to , 6, moderate SNHL and , 3,hearing

Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were

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We get a typed final copy after the meeting, one that incorporates

(supposedly) everything discussed at the meeting. At that point, I need to

review it, and sign off on it, before returning it to be finalized. I then

get a final copy of it.

They are supposed to either let me leave the meeting with a draft copy,

marked up, or provide me with a draft copy prior to the meeting, to review

beforehand.

Hope that helps,

Stefanie

Mom to Ben, 7, severe/profound HOH, and Isabella, 10, mild loss

on 5/18/06 10:56 AM, Deb DiAnni at babydewe2@... wrote:

> OK...I have a question. Do most of you get your paperwork after the IEP? We

> always get ours at the end of the IEP meeting. It's all handwritten on

> carbonless copy paper. I've never received any " typed " paperwork later.

>

> Debbie mom to , 6, moderate SNHL and , 3,hearing

[Guest guest]

Our IEP gets typed up during the meeting by the meeting's facilitator.

She just plugs everything into the form on her laptop, then prints it

out. As the meeting goes along, we all agree on the official wording in

the IEP, word for word (most of us come to the meeting with what we want

written into it already completed, so it's just a matter of discussing

and agreeing on the matter, then handing it off to the facilitator). We

leave the meeting with a copy of the IEP, clearly marked " Draft " for us

to review. Another copy goes to the school principal, then SPED

director, for final confirmation and signatures. Once that happens

(usually 7-14 days after the meeting), we get a call to come to the

office to sign the final copy. If at any time we need something changed

during the process, we just call the facilitator, she plugs in the

changes, then issues out a new copy to the administrators.

Kerry

Re: Re: IEP

OK...I have a question. Do most of you get your paperwork after the

IEP? We always get ours at the end of the IEP meeting. It's all

handwritten on carbonless copy paper. I've never received any " typed "

paperwork later.

Debbie mom to , 6, moderate SNHL and , 3,hearing

[Guest guest]

Usually for us we get almost a book. They're mostly a summary of the meeting,

goals and achievements from each teacher. Most are typed but some are

handwritten (depending on the teacher). For Alyanna (1st grader) she has 4

teachers. So you can imagine!!!. They usually send it home the next day.

from FL

Deb DiAnni babydewe2@...> wrote:

OK...I have a question. Do most of you get your paperwork after the IEP? We

always get ours at the end of the IEP meeting. It's all handwritten on

carbonless copy paper. I've never received any " typed " paperwork later.

Debbie mom to , 6, moderate SNHL and , 3,hearing

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I usually get a very thick copy of all kinds of papers ..... is mostly goals

and

what the plan is for next year.......nothing from the teacher.....This time

because I made such a stink on the Iep it does not list a page of his

performance......

The study team did call me after I sent a certified letter to the

superintendent....

We go back in for another meeting.....

never do I recieve the IEP a few days after the meeting......Usually it is

some time over the summer......so I cannot change the way they wrote it.....

I learn so much from these groups ...thank you all

gina

Alvarez lalvarez1022@...> wrote:

Usually for us we get almost a book. They're mostly a summary of the meeting,

goals and achievements from each teacher. Most are typed but some are

handwritten (depending on the teacher). For Alyanna (1st grader) she has 4

teachers. So you can imagine!!!. They usually send it home the next day.

from FL

Deb DiAnni babydewe2@...> wrote:

OK...I have a question. Do most of you get your paperwork after the IEP? We

always get ours at the end of the IEP meeting. It's all handwritten on

carbonless copy paper. I've never received any " typed " paperwork later.

Debbie mom to , 6, moderate SNHL and , 3,hearing

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Debbie wrote:

OK...I have a question. Do most of you get your paperwork after the IEP?

We always get ours at the end of the IEP meeting. It's all handwritten on

carbonless copy paper. I've never received any " typed " paperwork later.

**

Our IEP team works from a Draft Copy which always winds up getting marked up

and changed during the meeting. Usually within about 2 weeks after the

meeting, we get a finalized copy to keep for our records - and if we see

anything that was missed, we can point it out and have the final version

" refinalized. "

Kris

Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o.,

hearing)

[Guest guest]

,

Have you ever tried to contact someone at the state level, usually someone

at the state board of education that works in the area of communication issues

or special ed issues? Sometimes they can be of assistance, but it should also

be someone that is getting copies of those letters if mediation or due process

is looming.

Debbie

ginaatbeach gina_hly@...> wrote:

Dear Group,,

Why do the schools lie ???When I recieved the Iep I had

to beg for.....It did not say all the things we agreed about...

ex;Reading group,fast for word, fm system, they cut speech from 3x to

1x a week....none of it listed in the document....

I wrote a follow up letter to the study team, Cc to

director , certified to superintendent..I sent him a copy of my son's

reading evaluation...return reciept requested...

They were not going to give me a copy of the iep

document

from the 26 april meeting...I called to follow up...they said we

have plenty of time...I said no you don't you have 15 days.....It

went out immediatly....so did my letters.....

I asked for an immediate meeting with the supervisor

present...... all this and I have to remain composed.....my voice is

calm when I speak to them....It is almost fnny what they try to do...

I hope this work's out I do not want to go to court....due process is

expensive...

thankx

gina

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Hi,

I've never gotten a copy of my son's IEP until a couple of weeks

after the meeting...didn't know I could! I'm learning more on here,

as well. If there is anything I don't like about the IEP when I do

get it, I contact the case worker for his IEP team and then we have

to see if we can get something changed.

It seems as if they are giving you the " run-around. " Just keep

being persistent, even though it becomes tiring and frustrating.

Sometimes even a threat of taking legal action will get them moving

a bit faster. If it gets out of hand, maybe you could contact

someone and have them write a letter on an official letterhead,

stating that if they don't comply to your wishes within so many

days, then you will consider taking further action.

Good luck!

Beverly

>

> OK...I have a question. Do most of you get your paperwork after

the IEP? We always get ours at the end of the IEP meeting. It's

all handwritten on carbonless copy paper. I've never received

any " typed " paperwork later.

>

> Debbie mom to , 6, moderate SNHL and , 3,hearing

>

>

>

> Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things

that never were and ask why not. G.B Shaw

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

One more thing on this: I believe the school district actually has a finite

period of time in which to get you the final copy of the IEP, after you

meet. I want to say 10 business days, but I'd have to look that up. I just

remember having my son's IEP meeting last year on June 9, and calling on the

22nd to let them know I hadn't received it, and if I didn't receive it in

the next day or two, they would be out of compliance. After I finally did

receive it, I then had 30 calendar days to sign it or reject it.

If you don't get a copy of it, how can you agree to it??

Stefanie

Mom to Ben, 7, severe/profound HOH, and Isabella, 10, mild loss

[Guest guest]

they have 15 days from the day of the meeting to send you a cpoy of the " IEP

document " ...I had to call as well...they were silent when they realize you know

the law... gina

Stefanie Cloutier stefanieac@...> wrote: One more thing on this: I

believe the school district actually has a finite

period of time in which to get you the final copy of the IEP, after you

meet. I want to say 10 business days, but I'd have to look that up. I just

remember having my son's IEP meeting last year on June 9, and calling on the

22nd to let them know I hadn't received it, and if I didn't receive it in

the next day or two, they would be out of compliance. After I finally did

receive it, I then had 30 calendar days to sign it or reject it.

If you don't get a copy of it, how can you agree to it??

Stefanie

Mom to Ben, 7, severe/profound HOH, and Isabella, 10, mild loss

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[Guest guest]

Hi Stefanie,

I guess the one that we get is the final copy, we just get it the same

day. I had always thought that everyone walked out of their meetings with it.

It's only since this thread began that I've learned otherwise.

Debbie

Stefanie Cloutier stefanieac@...> wrote:

After I finally did receive it, I then had 30 calendar days to sign it or

reject it.

If you don't get a copy of it, how can you agree to it??

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[Guest guest]

Honestly, I don't think it's bad to walk out of the meeting with the final

copy -- they just don't give it to me! Instead, they take the draft plus all

the notes and combine them into a final IEP. I guess as long as you have an

IEP with everything you've agreed to on it, you're golden.

Stefanie

on 5/19/06 6:37 PM, Deb DiAnni at babydewe2@... wrote:

> Hi Stefanie,

> I guess the one that we get is the final copy, we just get it the same

> day. I had always thought that everyone walked out of their meetings with it.

> It's only since this thread began that I've learned otherwise.

>

> Debbie

>

> Stefanie Cloutier stefanieac@...> wrote:

> After I finally did receive it, I then had 30 calendar days to sign it or

> reject it.

>

> If you don't get a copy of it, how can you agree to it??

>

[Guest guest]

Hi " Red " , well it looks like you've been bulldozed! I wish you had said " I

refused to sign it " and I wish you had said that you got a copy of this " IEP " .

This is totally illegal. But if you signed it, it looks like you were not only

fine with it, but possibly were even in attendance or it was ok for them to meet

without you. So now you need to do some immediate damage control. Write a

letter to whomever you think is ultimately responsible, it has different names

in different places. I'd write a letter in a non-threatening and questioning

tone. I'd say something like. I was so surprised when _________ gave me some

papers yesterday to sign. _________ only had a few minutes to spare to talk to

me because she had to go teach a class. But I'm wondering if what I signed was

my child's IEP? If so, when was the IEP meeting held? Aren't parents invited

to the IEP meeting? I know I would have attended had I been notified of a

meeting, unfortunately I was never invited to a meeting in June or whenever.

Aren't parents equal members of the IEP team? I'm wondering too how it is

possible that my son is being properly accomodated when the FM is in a box in

the office? Kind of go along in this vein, rather than writing the scathing

piece you are probably ready to write now, which would probably start with " How

dare you, you group of blooming idiots who don't know an FM from your excretory

orifice!!! " This " sugary " approach is from slaw.com, and they call it

" letter to a stranger. " It's a good long term strategy, so that if bad goes to

worse, you look like a reasonable rational person to a stranger, ie the judge of

your potential due process hearing. But you really need to do some damage

control!! And phone calls don't cut it and ugly letters don't usually make

things go your way. Be sure you send it certified or hand deliver it and have

someone sign for it. in GA

[Guest guest]

I was just writing the same - I'm so sorry this is happening to you and

your child! Bulldozed is a very good word for it...

I don't know where you live, but at the very least, it sounds like you

need an advocate who is versed in the IEP process to help you. I know

where I live - in New Hampshire - there are agencies for parents that

provide them with advocates who will go to the IEP, etc. I truly think

a lot of these schools are relying on the fact that as parents, we don't

know the law so they take advantage.

I'd add to 's excellent post to send the letter registered/return

receipt.

Hugs,

Barbara

pcknott@... wrote:

>

>

> Hi " Red " , well it looks like you've been bulldozed! I wish you had

> said " I refused to sign it " and I wish you had said that you got a

> copy of this " IEP " . This is totally illegal. But if you signed it, it

> looks like you were not only fine with it, but possibly were even in

> attendance or it was ok for them to meet without you. So now you need

> to do some immediate damage control. Write a letter to whomever you

> think is ultimately responsible, it has different names in different

> places. I'd write a letter in a non-threatening and questioning tone.

> I'd say something like. I was so surprised when _________ gave me some

> papers yesterday to sign. _________ only had a few minutes to spare to

> talk to me because she had to go teach a class. But I'm wondering if

> what I signed was my child's IEP? If so, when was the IEP meeting

> held? Aren't parents invited to the IEP meeting? I know I would have

> attended had I been notified of a meeting, unfo! rtunately I was never

> invited to a meeting in June or whenever. Aren't parents equal members

> of the IEP team? I'm wondering too how it is possible that my son is

> being properly accomodated when the FM is in a box in the office? Kind

> of go along in this vein, rather than writing the scathing piece you

> are probably ready to write now, which would probably start with " How

> dare you, you group of blooming idiots who don't know an FM from your

> excretory orifice!!! " This " sugary " approach is from slaw.com,

> and they call it " letter to a stranger. " It's a good long term

> strategy, so that if bad goes to worse, you look like a reasonable

> rational person to a stranger, ie the judge of your potential due

> process hearing. But you really need to do some damage control!! And

> phone calls don't cut it and ugly letters don't usually make things go

> your way. Be sure you send it certified or hand deliver it and have

> someone sign for it. ! in GA

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I am so sorry that it happened to you. I am a special education

teacher and a mother of a son with a hearing loss. The school

should not have expect you to sign it and they should have invited

you to the meeting. If I was you I would write a letter to the

director of special ed. or call them and set up a time to meet with

them to see what can be done now. Hope this works out for you and

your son.

Wendi

>

> My son is 12 years old, in the 7th grade. He moved up to

the " high

> school " this year...so is working to adjust to a new school, and

new

> teachers.

> I'm struggling, as they claim to be working to get to know him,

and

> do the best they can for him...but I just don't see it.

> I received a phone call the other day to come to the school and

sign

> some papers...when I arrived there I found out that these papers

> were am IEP plan that had been completed last June, in preparation

> before changing schools...I was frustrated, and angry, as not only

> had I not been invited to participate in the meeting when this

plan

> was done, but I wasn't even aware that it was happening! When I

> went to the school to read it over, and sign it, the teacher who

> went over it with me only had about 20 minutes to spare, as she

had

> a class to teach, so I was rushed through it, and really didn't

have

> any idea what I was signing. Also, it had to be signed that very

> moment, as they needed to get it sent into the school division

right

> away.

> THEN...she pulls a box full of equipment off the floor, and says

to

> me is this the F.M. system?? I guess we should be using it... she

> didn't even know what it looks like, never mind how to set it up

and

> use it!!

> She also said that they were having trouble with his computerized

> notetaking...it wasn't working much of the time either...no wonder

> he's struggling, when nobody has a clue what he needs!!

> He's had the same consultant for deaf & hoh for the last 6 years,

> and I could always count on her to help me keep the school in

line,

> but she has moved on to another job, and I've yet to hear from the

> new woman who's taken over her job...I've left messages for her,

and

> she hasn't returned my calls...I'm frustrated, as I don't know

what

> to do...SORRY this is so long...I really needed to have a good

rant.

> Any advice would be appreciated

>