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Our Ian has a progressive loss. We don't know why, no one can predict it's

progress or say if it will ever stop. We've seen some of the best doctors on

the east coast and they don't agree with each other. We have dueling diagnoses.

When we go to the audiologist, Ian is just fine. He takes it all in stride.

It's just another hearing screening for him. Which is exactly how we want it

to be for him. But for me, it's always a bit stressful. Ian's loss is usually

slow and predictable, but occasionally he has a sudden drop of some kind.

And I hate those.

Truthfully, I want it to either stop or just get where it's going NOW. I

don't like the not knowing. I'm a planner, a list maker. So this kind of loss

pushes my control-freak buttons. Honestly, after a while it is actually easier

to deal with. I used to have panic attacks on the way to the audiologist but

now I just get a bit nervous.

I need to learn from my son to be more laid back. We've taught him to not

worry over what he can't control. Now I need to learn to take my own advice.

Easier said than done when it comes to your kids. And I agree, it sucks.

Best -- Jill

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In a message dated 5/15/2006 2:42:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

em2_mom@... writes:

Now I even find humor in the things Emmett thinks he heard. He always tells

us when he hears something that sounds off, and it usually is!

This is actually a game in our house. It started because my husband mutters.

He always has and half the time I can't hear what he's said so I would tell

him what I heard, which was never right. He also does what we call " zip code

changes " in the middle of conversations -- his mind wanders down a different

track from the rest of us while we're talking. And then he'll rejoin the

conversation from the middle of his private musings, and I'm clueless as to

which

zip code his wanderings took him off to.

Then with Ian's hearing loss, he tell us what he thought he heard, and then

correcting it to what we must have said.

Now, it's a game to mis-hear things, and we create a nonsense sentence. We

take things we barely heard and make them into something else just so we can

be silly. It's actually quite funny and it had a purpose for a while -- it

increased Ian's vocabulary by making him think of rhyming words to create his

silly sentences.

-- Jill

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Oh Sara - you've had such an awful year! Have your kids had CT scans?

Why does your audiologist think it's progressive? As others have

suggested, you might consider genetic testing to see if they can figure

out what's up here. (genetic testing doesn't tell the whole story - for

many it does but for us it didn't, just so you know). And I'm with you

- a year between tests doesn't necessary show that a loss isn't

progressive.

I dreaded my kids losing more hearing maybe more than finding out they

couldn't hear - I understand how you feel. Although in a strange way,

when Tom *did* lose more hearing, it almost became easier because we

knew we'd pursue an implant at that point. I know that sounds weird...

Hang in - we're here for you!

Barbara

saraandchadd wrote:

> Ok - so I think this was harder to hear than to hear that both of my

> kids are HOH!!! But my audi spoke to someone else who is currently

> displaced to Canada and he is very concerned that their loss is

> progressive. Damn it. Does it ever end? So the audi is going on

> the assumption now that their loss is progressive although I'm sure

> we won't know for years to come. Hannah's last test did show her

> loss was stable but since it was only a year between testing this

> guy doesn't think it proves anything to us. Also - since their

> hearing was/or about normal at birth and now they are more moderate

> they think it is a safe assumption to make.

>

> That was so much harder to hear than to hear that both of them were

> hearing impaired!

>

> So my question - yes I have a question this time - I need info on

> this!!! If they are progressive what is the likely hood that they

> will progress to deaf? How long? What now?

>

> Oh - and the ball is rolling on the info for our son - they

> recommend him going to the local HOH school which I'm looking

> forward to - for my daughter they seemed very much against any other

> intervention but its a relief to know that my son will get

> everything he will possibly need at an earl age rather than having

> to fix the problems that no early intervention caused like in my

> daughter's case!

>

>

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>

>

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Barbara Mellert Barbara.T.Mellert@...> wrote: " Have your kids had

CT scans? "

----no - they have not had CT scans. That will be our next step I suppose - we

tried with hannah - wouldn't do it - try to get it through Childrens and things

never fell into place - he was particularly looking for a disorder that causes

HL when someone is hit in the head - but that isn't an issue now I don't think.

" Why does your audiologist think it's progressive? "

-----for the simple fact that they were both " normal " at birth (well Hannah

passed her newborn screen which is all we have to go by and Jake was boarderline

at his last ABR in July testing at 25 dB) - and because it has only been a year

between Hannah's tests - the doc thinks there is a possibility that it will

still decrease just in more time.

" As others have suggested, you might consider genetic testing to see if they

can figure out what's up here. (genetic testing doesn't tell the whole story -

for many it does but for us it didn't, just so you know). "

------We're trying. They are looking for a particular lady who actually

specializes in hearing loss/genetic links. Currently her office is not up and

running its children's part of their testing - although when they return to New

Orleans this summer it might. So we are going ahead and getting the aids

because the further testing might take awhile.

" I dreaded my kids losing more hearing maybe more than finding out they

couldn't hear - I understand how you feel. Although in a strange way,

when Tom *did* lose more hearing, it almost became easier because we

knew we'd pursue an implant at that point. I know that sounds weird... "

--------this sucks to put it bluntely.

Hang in - we're here for you!

Barbara

saraandchadd wrote:

> Ok - so I think this was harder to hear than to hear that both of my

> kids are HOH!!! But my audi spoke to someone else who is currently

> displaced to Canada and he is very concerned that their loss is

> progressive. Damn it. Does it ever end? So the audi is going on

> the assumption now that their loss is progressive although I'm sure

> we won't know for years to come. Hannah's last test did show her

> loss was stable but since it was only a year between testing this

> guy doesn't think it proves anything to us. Also - since their

> hearing was/or about normal at birth and now they are more moderate

> they think it is a safe assumption to make.

>

> That was so much harder to hear than to hear that both of them were

> hearing impaired!

>

> So my question - yes I have a question this time - I need info on

> this!!! If they are progressive what is the likely hood that they

> will progress to deaf? How long? What now?

>

> Oh - and the ball is rolling on the info for our son - they

> recommend him going to the local HOH school which I'm looking

> forward to - for my daughter they seemed very much against any other

> intervention but its a relief to know that my son will get

> everything he will possibly need at an earl age rather than having

> to fix the problems that no early intervention caused like in my

> daughter's case!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is

the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

restrictions.

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I used to dread taking Ben for his hearing test for just this reason; I was

terrified they would tell me he'd lost more hearing. But it honestly doesn't

bother me AT ALL anymore: he's a great kid, he does fabulously well with

what he has, and if he loses more hearing, there are things we can do.

But I know just how you feel...

Stefanie

Mom to Ben, 7, severe to profound HOH, and Isabella, 10, mild loss

on 5/15/06 12:37 PM, Barbara Mellert at Barbara.T.Mellert@...

wrote:

> Oh Sara - you've had such an awful year! Have your kids had CT scans?

> Why does your audiologist think it's progressive? As others have

> suggested, you might consider genetic testing to see if they can figure

> out what's up here. (genetic testing doesn't tell the whole story - for

> many it does but for us it didn't, just so you know). And I'm with you

> - a year between tests doesn't necessary show that a loss isn't

> progressive.

>

> I dreaded my kids losing more hearing maybe more than finding out they

> couldn't hear - I understand how you feel. Although in a strange way,

> when Tom *did* lose more hearing, it almost became easier because we

> knew we'd pursue an implant at that point. I know that sounds weird...

>

> Hang in - we're here for you!

>

> Barbara

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Sara,

With a progressive loss, you really don't have a timetable for when or

how the hearing will change. There are plenty of people who go for

years with a diagnosis of progressive hearing loss and have stable test

after stable test. Some people lose their hearing gradually, some lose

it quickly, some even overnight. Some don't lose it at all.

Hadley's hearing loss is due to Conniving 26. When she was diagnosed 4

years ago, the research at the time showed that kids with the Cx26

diagnosis had stable hearing. However, the Cannikins were only

discovered in the late 90s and the longitudinal studies were only of a

3-5 year period. Since then, many Cx26 kids in those studies have shown

a progressive hearing loss. So, we went from being happy that Hadley

was diagnosed with " only " a severe loss that would be stable to feeling

out of control once again.

However, having this change in the diagnosis doesn't change our life.

Hadley goes in every 3-4 months for a hearing eval. I don't just

compare audiograms to the most recent ones, but I chart them out to see

how her hearing fluctuates from test to test. I note where her behavior

may be more responsible for a certain result than her hearing. I stare

at word recognition tests. If there's a change, good or bad, we talk

about it and make the necessary changes to her program. Most of all, I

disregard the tests and just see how my daughter enjoys and lives her

life from day to day.

Good technology and good intervention is what I choose to focus on.

That's the stuff that will really affect what might happen if and when

Hadley's hearing worsens.

One thing to point out, the newborn screening test actually screens from

35dB up. A child can be born with a 30dB loss and still pass the

screen. Additionally, a change of 5-10dB between audiograms in young

kids isn't entirely significant, since so much depends on their

behavior. Most pediatric audiologists will modify their notes to

account for whether the child was paying attention and cooperating or

not. Since kids tend to cooperate more with the word discrimination

tests than the boring pure tones test, some will focus on those results

a bit more heavily.

God luck sorting everything out,

Kerry

another blow - progressive?

Ok - so I think this was harder to hear than to hear that both of my

kids are HOH!!! But my audi spoke to someone else who is currently

displaced to Canada and he is very concerned that their loss is

progressive. Damn it. Does it ever end? So the audi is going on

the assumption now that their loss is progressive although I'm sure

we won't know for years to come. Hannah's last test did show her

loss was stable but since it was only a year between testing this

guy doesn't think it proves anything to us. Also - since their

hearing was/or about normal at birth and now they are more moderate

they think it is a safe assumption to make.

That was so much harder to hear than to hear that both of them were

hearing impaired!

So my question - yes I have a question this time - I need info on

this!!! If they are progressive what is the likely hood that they

will progress to deaf? How long? What now?

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*Waving* Another parent who stressed with each hearing test.

The only thing that finally got me over this is when my DH pointed out

that I already knew the " worse case " so I played devil's advocate. I

ran the scenario in my mind, decided I could deal with it (my son had

NO problem with the issue - " Mom, if it happens, *shrug*, I'll figure

it out. " )and gave myself a talk.

FIRST, though, I had to grieve. I still cry sometimes but much less

frequently and my son just keeps doin' fine.

LESSON: It's MUCH harder to be the parent than the kid.

>

> I used to dread taking Ben for his hearing test for just this

reason; I was

> terrified they would tell me he'd lost more hearing. But it honestly

doesn't

> bother me AT ALL anymore: he's a great kid, he does fabulously well

with

> what he has, and if he loses more hearing, there are things we can

do.

>

> But I know just how you feel...

>

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saraandchadd saraandchadd@...> wrote: < >

Hi, Sara.

The progressive nature of Emmett's loss has been the hardest thing for me to

deal with. There have been no answers for us, and we've searched quite

thoroughly for them. We don't know if he'll continue to lose hearing or if it

will just stop and then one day the loss will start again. I find myself holding

my breath as each hearing test (every 4 months) approaches. These last two tests

were good in that there wasn't much of a drop in most frequencies. But not being

able to control this for him, make it stop, that just eats me up. I've worked a

lot on it, but it's taking some time.

We discovered Emmett's left ear loss (which had been typical) about 8 months

after we discovered his right ear's profound loss. It's been a slow decline (5

db each test) and it's been torturous. He doesn't mind ... he's only 4, but he

does notice. He wears an aid on the left ear now. I feel like I'm watching him

standing in traffic and I can't get to him to push him out of the way. But I

know we're doing what we can do. We can't stop this. And we can't control it.

But I know he's a good candidate for an implant in his left ear, he's got great

speech/language, and he's a determined person. He's going to be OK.

I hope this helps in some small way. I know it's painful.

Johanna

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This is so very true. When I realized this was my issue, I started to have a

better time dealing with it. There are still tears but, as you said, not as

often. Now I even find humor in the things Emmett thinks he heard. He always

tells us when he hears something that sounds off, and it usually is!

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Sam came in one day and told me " Dad wants to shock vap? " and looked

very puzzled. I finally realized he wanted the shop vac! That still

makes me laugh.

Aren't I bad?!

And Jill - CAMPING in the rain sounds like h*ll on earth to me!

Give me a Day's Inn any ole day!

Barbara

JillcWood@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 5/15/2006 2:42:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> em2_mom@... writes:

>

> Now I even find humor in the things Emmett thinks he heard. He always tells

> us when he hears something that sounds off, and it usually is!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This is actually a game in our house. It started because my husband mutters.

> He always has and half the time I can't hear what he's said so I would tell

> him what I heard, which was never right. He also does what we call " zip code

> changes " in the middle of conversations -- his mind wanders down a different

> track from the rest of us while we're talking. And then he'll rejoin the

> conversation from the middle of his private musings, and I'm clueless as to

which

> zip code his wanderings took him off to.

>

> Then with Ian's hearing loss, he tell us what he thought he heard, and then

> correcting it to what we must have said.

>

> Now, it's a game to mis-hear things, and we create a nonsense sentence. We

> take things we barely heard and make them into something else just so we can

> be silly. It's actually quite funny and it had a purpose for a while -- it

> increased Ian's vocabulary by making him think of rhyming words to create his

> silly sentences.

>

> -- Jill

>

>

>

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I think the other parents have covered most of your questions. The

only thing I would like to add is in regards to the CT scan. When

my son's hearing dropped from moderate to profound in one ear his

ENT recommended a CT. He was only 2 at the time so was sedated and

slept through the entire procedure (about 5 minutes). It turned out

that he has enlarged vestibular aqueduct syndrome (EVAS). I've

learned a lot about this syndrome from another very helpful yahoo

group at LVAS . Anyone with a recent diagnosis of

EVA or who is concerned about it may want to consider looking into

this list as well.

Best wishes,

Mom to (3 1/2, mod-prof loss, EVA, Pendred Syndrome)

>

> Ok - so I think this was harder to hear than to hear that both of

my

> kids are HOH!!! But my audi spoke to someone else who is

currently

> displaced to Canada and he is very concerned that their loss is

> progressive. Damn it. Does it ever end? So the audi is going on

> the assumption now that their loss is progressive although I'm

sure

> we won't know for years to come. Hannah's last test did show her

> loss was stable but since it was only a year between testing this

> guy doesn't think it proves anything to us. Also - since their

> hearing was/or about normal at birth and now they are more

moderate

> they think it is a safe assumption to make.

>

> That was so much harder to hear than to hear that both of them

were

> hearing impaired!

>

> So my question - yes I have a question this time - I need info on

> this!!! If they are progressive what is the likely hood that they

> will progress to deaf? How long? What now?

>

> Oh - and the ball is rolling on the info for our son - they

> recommend him going to the local HOH school which I'm looking

> forward to - for my daughter they seemed very much against any

other

> intervention but its a relief to know that my son will get

> everything he will possibly need at an earl age rather than having

> to fix the problems that no early intervention caused like in my

> daughter's case!

>

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I concur! LVAS covers LVAS exclusively. It's great!

Robin

>

> I think the other parents have covered most of your questions. The

> only thing I would like to add is in regards to the CT scan. When

> my son's hearing dropped from moderate to profound in one ear his

> ENT recommended a CT. He was only 2 at the time so was sedated and

> slept through the entire procedure (about 5 minutes). It turned out

> that he has enlarged vestibular aqueduct syndrome (EVAS). I've

> learned a lot about this syndrome from another very helpful yahoo

> group at LVAS . Anyone with a recent diagnosis of

> EVA or who is concerned about it may want to consider looking into

> this list as well.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Mom to (3 1/2, mod-prof loss, EVA, Pendred Syndrome)

>

>

> >

> > Ok - so I think this was harder to hear than to hear that both of

> my

> > kids are HOH!!! But my audi spoke to someone else who is

> currently

> > displaced to Canada and he is very concerned that their loss is

> > progressive. Damn it. Does it ever end? So the audi is going on

> > the assumption now that their loss is progressive although I'm

> sure

> > we won't know for years to come. Hannah's last test did show her

> > loss was stable but since it was only a year between testing this

> > guy doesn't think it proves anything to us. Also - since their

> > hearing was/or about normal at birth and now they are more

> moderate

> > they think it is a safe assumption to make.

> >

> > That was so much harder to hear than to hear that both of them

> were

> > hearing impaired!

> >

> > So my question - yes I have a question this time - I need info on

> > this!!! If they are progressive what is the likely hood that they

> > will progress to deaf? How long? What now?

> >

> > Oh - and the ball is rolling on the info for our son - they

> > recommend him going to the local HOH school which I'm looking

> > forward to - for my daughter they seemed very much against any

> other

> > intervention but its a relief to know that my son will get

> > everything he will possibly need at an earl age rather than having

> > to fix the problems that no early intervention caused like in my

> > daughter's case!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

> is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

> copyright restrictions.

>

>

>

>

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