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>She is doing great with modeling words, can repeat words (1-2 syllable)

>with realitively great

>intelligebility, but either does not say it spontaneously or it's a real

>approximation when she

>does say it spontaneously.

This describes my 4.10 month old about 6 months ago! Since then he's had a

great explosion of spontaneous language. I often don't understand the

spontaneous words, but with repetition and trying to use synonyms he

usually gets his point across.

>Is this just part of a phase in apraxia where they can model words

>but not spontaneously say them?

I think this is typical for most kids. If not then it at least has

happened to mine too! :)

>Also I know it somewhat depends on the child, but at what

>age can you expect your child to sit with the speech therapist and do

>drills, etc and not just

>play therapy.

Not soon. My son is almost 5 and is still in play therapy. Now there is

some drilling going on, but in the context of play. My son understands why

he is there, but without the context of a game and natural language

drilling just doesn't carry over to his /functional/ language. My son has

some language issues as well as severe speech production issues so maybe

this is different for " just " apraxic kids without language issues.

>My daughter loves the play therapy, but it does not always seem very

>productive.

Done right play therapy can be very productive. I know what you mean about

seeming non-productive, however. The first two years of play therapy from

ages 2-4 were pointless for my son. He quite literally made NO

progress What he is doing now with Prompt is fabulous! Your daughter has

exihibited progress. That alone shows that something with the play therapy

is working unlike in my son's case.

>She can be very stubborn at times and will only talk when she wants to. I

>would

>appreciate any input.

Sometimes it is stubbornness and sometimes my son just can't talk. At

those times he usually finds some non-verbal way to get his point across

and then I model what he could have said. I used to think he was more

stubborn about talking than he is. Now I realize it truly just is THAT hard

for him to talk sometimes. Other times things just pop out!

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My son does the exact same thing. He can speak but is VERY stubborn and will

only do so when he wants to. I keep hoping that when he matures he will WANT to

talk, learn, etc. Right now everything is on his terms which makes life at our

house very difficult.

juliekyleamelia <julielswan@...> wrote: My 3 1/2 year old

daughter has been in speech therapy for a year and is now saying 3-4

word sentences (when she wants or is willing to talk), but majority of all the

words are

approximations. This is a great step considering when she started therapy she

could only

say about 5 words total (approximations). I can understand 70% of what she says,

but most

other people only understand about 30%. She does not talk much at all in front

of people she

does not know or even at school (where she has been going for 10 months now). I

have to

keep reminding her to use her words, instead of for example hit her little

brother. She is

doing great with modeling words, can repeat words (1-2 syllable) with

realitively great

intelligebility, but either does not say it spontaneously or it's a real

approximation when she

does say it spontaneously. Is this just part of a phase in apraxia where they

can model words

but not spontaneously say them? Also I know it somewhat depends on the child,

but at what

age can you expect your child to sit with the speech therapist and do drills,

etc and not just

play therapy. My daughter loves the play therapy, but it does not always seem

very

productive. She can be very stubborn at times and will only talk when she wants

to. I would

appreciate any input.

Thanks,

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Boy can I relate to a stubborn child! My Braydon who is 4.6 years can be

stubborn as a bull at times LOL!!! He is for the most part a sociable happy and

easy going child but he has a mind of his own when he wants to and then some.

There are times in speech (he also has play therapy and some prompt), when it

appears that he has not understood one word the therapist has said and refuses

at times to cooperate. It is frustrating for me because I know how smart he is

but when he decides not to talk or repeat words during therapy or refuses to do

as he's asked it appears like he is off in some other land. He also tries to cut

corners here at home when asking for something off a shelf that he wants he will

grunt and gesture when I know he can use the words when he needs help. However

at times I sometimes don't know if the word is not really there or if he just

chooses not to use his words and decides to communicate with gestures instead. I

have noticed recently that there are

times when he is trying to say something and you can see the gears turning in

his head yet he can't come out with the appropriate words. This happens a lot

more since he has become more verbal. I do have to share that I heard him use a

phrase totally spontaneously yesterday and in the appropriate context when he

was looking at some family photographs after supper. You have to understand that

we have been working on getting Braydon to use this phrase in the proper context

for more than six months to us it was huge that he finally use it properly

without help from anyone!!! There was a picture of him in this album taken at

my father's cottage a couple of years ago and my sister pointed to his picture

and said " who's that? " And Braydon replied " That's Me! " He had been saying

" thats ayon " or when I would say that's you he would say that's you and I would

correct him to say that's me when he saw a picture of himself.This had gone on

every time we looked at the album which

is a lot!!! He loves looking at family photographs and naming all the family

members. sorry for the digression but it was a great breakthrough for him.

juliekyleamelia <julielswan@...> wrote:

My 3 1/2 year old daughter has been in speech therapy for a year and

is now saying 3-4

word sentences (when she wants or is willing to talk), but majority of all the

words are

approximations. This is a great step considering when she started therapy she

could only

say about 5 words total (approximations). I can understand 70% of what she says,

but most

other people only understand about 30%. She does not talk much at all in front

of people she

does not know or even at school (where she has been going for 10 months now). I

have to

keep reminding her to use her words, instead of for example hit her little

brother. She is

doing great with modeling words, can repeat words (1-2 syllable) with

realitively great

intelligebility, but either does not say it spontaneously or it's a real

approximation when she

does say it spontaneously. Is this just part of a phase in apraxia where they

can model words

but not spontaneously say them? Also I know it somewhat depends on the child,

but at what

age can you expect your child to sit with the speech therapist and do drills,

etc and not just

play therapy. My daughter loves the play therapy, but it does not always seem

very

productive. She can be very stubborn at times and will only talk when she wants

to. I would

appreciate any input.

Thanks,

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>She is doing great with modeling words, can repeat words (1-2 syllable)

>with realitively great

>intelligebility, but either does not say it spontaneously or it's a real

>approximation when she

>does say it spontaneously.

This describes my 4.10 month old about 6 months ago! Since then he's had a

great explosion of spontaneous language. I often don't understand the

spontaneous words, but with repetition and trying to use synonyms he

usually gets his point across.

>Is this just part of a phase in apraxia where they can model words

>but not spontaneously say them?

I think this is typical for most kids. If not then it at least has

happened to mine too! :)

>Also I know it somewhat depends on the child, but at what

>age can you expect your child to sit with the speech therapist and do

>drills, etc and not just

>play therapy.

Not soon. My son is almost 5 and is still in play therapy. Now there is

some drilling going on, but in the context of play. My son understands why

he is there, but without the context of a game and natural language

drilling just doesn't carry over to his /functional/ language. My son has

some language issues as well as severe speech production issues so maybe

this is different for " just " apraxic kids without language issues.

>My daughter loves the play therapy, but it does not always seem very

>productive.

Done right play therapy can be very productive. I know what you mean about

seeming non-productive, however. The first two years of play therapy from

ages 2-4 were pointless for my son. He quite literally made NO

progress What he is doing now with Prompt is fabulous! Your daughter has

exihibited progress. That alone shows that something with the play therapy

is working unlike in my son's case.

>She can be very stubborn at times and will only talk when she wants to. I

>would

>appreciate any input.

Sometimes it is stubbornness and sometimes my son just can't talk. At

those times he usually finds some non-verbal way to get his point across

and then I model what he could have said. I used to think he was more

stubborn about talking than he is. Now I realize it truly just is THAT hard

for him to talk sometimes. Other times things just pop out!

Miche

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My son does the exact same thing. He can speak but is VERY stubborn and will

only do so when he wants to. I keep hoping that when he matures he will WANT to

talk, learn, etc. Right now everything is on his terms which makes life at our

house very difficult.

juliekyleamelia <julielswan@...> wrote: My 3 1/2 year old

daughter has been in speech therapy for a year and is now saying 3-4

word sentences (when she wants or is willing to talk), but majority of all the

words are

approximations. This is a great step considering when she started therapy she

could only

say about 5 words total (approximations). I can understand 70% of what she says,

but most

other people only understand about 30%. She does not talk much at all in front

of people she

does not know or even at school (where she has been going for 10 months now). I

have to

keep reminding her to use her words, instead of for example hit her little

brother. She is

doing great with modeling words, can repeat words (1-2 syllable) with

realitively great

intelligebility, but either does not say it spontaneously or it's a real

approximation when she

does say it spontaneously. Is this just part of a phase in apraxia where they

can model words

but not spontaneously say them? Also I know it somewhat depends on the child,

but at what

age can you expect your child to sit with the speech therapist and do drills,

etc and not just

play therapy. My daughter loves the play therapy, but it does not always seem

very

productive. She can be very stubborn at times and will only talk when she wants

to. I would

appreciate any input.

Thanks,

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Boy can I relate to a stubborn child! My Braydon who is 4.6 years can be

stubborn as a bull at times LOL!!! He is for the most part a sociable happy and

easy going child but he has a mind of his own when he wants to and then some.

There are times in speech (he also has play therapy and some prompt), when it

appears that he has not understood one word the therapist has said and refuses

at times to cooperate. It is frustrating for me because I know how smart he is

but when he decides not to talk or repeat words during therapy or refuses to do

as he's asked it appears like he is off in some other land. He also tries to cut

corners here at home when asking for something off a shelf that he wants he will

grunt and gesture when I know he can use the words when he needs help. However

at times I sometimes don't know if the word is not really there or if he just

chooses not to use his words and decides to communicate with gestures instead. I

have noticed recently that there are

times when he is trying to say something and you can see the gears turning in

his head yet he can't come out with the appropriate words. This happens a lot

more since he has become more verbal. I do have to share that I heard him use a

phrase totally spontaneously yesterday and in the appropriate context when he

was looking at some family photographs after supper. You have to understand that

we have been working on getting Braydon to use this phrase in the proper context

for more than six months to us it was huge that he finally use it properly

without help from anyone!!! There was a picture of him in this album taken at

my father's cottage a couple of years ago and my sister pointed to his picture

and said " who's that? " And Braydon replied " That's Me! " He had been saying

" thats ayon " or when I would say that's you he would say that's you and I would

correct him to say that's me when he saw a picture of himself.This had gone on

every time we looked at the album which

is a lot!!! He loves looking at family photographs and naming all the family

members. sorry for the digression but it was a great breakthrough for him.

juliekyleamelia <julielswan@...> wrote:

My 3 1/2 year old daughter has been in speech therapy for a year and

is now saying 3-4

word sentences (when she wants or is willing to talk), but majority of all the

words are

approximations. This is a great step considering when she started therapy she

could only

say about 5 words total (approximations). I can understand 70% of what she says,

but most

other people only understand about 30%. She does not talk much at all in front

of people she

does not know or even at school (where she has been going for 10 months now). I

have to

keep reminding her to use her words, instead of for example hit her little

brother. She is

doing great with modeling words, can repeat words (1-2 syllable) with

realitively great

intelligebility, but either does not say it spontaneously or it's a real

approximation when she

does say it spontaneously. Is this just part of a phase in apraxia where they

can model words

but not spontaneously say them? Also I know it somewhat depends on the child,

but at what

age can you expect your child to sit with the speech therapist and do drills,

etc and not just

play therapy. My daughter loves the play therapy, but it does not always seem

very

productive. She can be very stubborn at times and will only talk when she wants

to. I would

appreciate any input.

Thanks,

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Hi,

I am dealing with the same thing both of you are dealing with. My 3

1/2 year old son is very stubborn! Before he learned to talk, he

had his own language of babbles. Sometimes, he'll refuse to use the

words he knows and will spout out babbles, which is really

frustrating. A lot of books say not to force your child to do

things, but sometimes that's the only thing that works. When we

worked on speech therepy homework, I would threaten and give time

outs if he did not come up to the table and work on words and

sentences. Then when he finished I rewarded him with a piece of

candy (which is exactly what his speech therepist did). Lately, he

has been more interested in learning new words, making sentences,

and asking what things are on his own, which is encouraging.

Esther Sorenson

My 3 1/2 year old

daughter has been in speech therapy for a year and is now saying 3-4

> word sentences (when she wants or is willing to talk), but

majority of all the words are

> approximations. This is a great step considering when she started

therapy she could only

> say about 5 words total (approximations). I can understand 70% of

what she says, but most

> other people only understand about 30%. She does not talk much at

all in front of people she

> does not know or even at school (where she has been going for 10

months now). I have to

> keep reminding her to use her words, instead of for example hit

her little brother. She is

> doing great with modeling words, can repeat words (1-2 syllable)

with realitively great

> intelligebility, but either does not say it spontaneously or it's

a real approximation when she

> does say it spontaneously. Is this just part of a phase in apraxia

where they can model words

> but not spontaneously say them? Also I know it somewhat depends on

the child, but at what

> age can you expect your child to sit with the speech therapist and

do drills, etc and not just

> play therapy. My daughter loves the play therapy, but it does not

always seem very

> productive. She can be very stubborn at times and will only talk

when she wants to. I would

> appreciate any input.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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Hi,

I am dealing with the same thing both of you are dealing with. My 3

1/2 year old son is very stubborn! Before he learned to talk, he

had his own language of babbles. Sometimes, he'll refuse to use the

words he knows and will spout out babbles, which is really

frustrating. A lot of books say not to force your child to do

things, but sometimes that's the only thing that works. When we

worked on speech therepy homework, I would threaten and give time

outs if he did not come up to the table and work on words and

sentences. Then when he finished I rewarded him with a piece of

candy (which is exactly what his speech therepist did). Lately, he

has been more interested in learning new words, making sentences,

and asking what things are on his own, which is encouraging.

Esther Sorenson

My 3 1/2 year old

daughter has been in speech therapy for a year and is now saying 3-4

> word sentences (when she wants or is willing to talk), but

majority of all the words are

> approximations. This is a great step considering when she started

therapy she could only

> say about 5 words total (approximations). I can understand 70% of

what she says, but most

> other people only understand about 30%. She does not talk much at

all in front of people she

> does not know or even at school (where she has been going for 10

months now). I have to

> keep reminding her to use her words, instead of for example hit

her little brother. She is

> doing great with modeling words, can repeat words (1-2 syllable)

with realitively great

> intelligebility, but either does not say it spontaneously or it's

a real approximation when she

> does say it spontaneously. Is this just part of a phase in apraxia

where they can model words

> but not spontaneously say them? Also I know it somewhat depends on

the child, but at what

> age can you expect your child to sit with the speech therapist and

do drills, etc and not just

> play therapy. My daughter loves the play therapy, but it does not

always seem very

> productive. She can be very stubborn at times and will only talk

when she wants to. I would

> appreciate any input.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

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