Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Clive Solomons a physican researcher is who came up with this theory many years ago. The Vulvar Pain Foundation http://www.vulvarpainfoundation.org/vpfnewsletter.htm is a grassroots organization that supports and promotes a low oxalate diet and CaCitrate to bind oxalates as a effective treatment. Oxalates are needlelike in structure similar to the fibers in thistles and it is believed that the oxalates are irritating to the vulvar tissue and aggravate the surrounding areas of the urethra when excreted in the urine. Calcium citrate is supposed to bind the oxalates so they can be excreted without this irriation and over time allow the tissue to heal. He also relates oxalates to " burning tongue " syndrome as a similar condition. I don't think anyone knows why the body becomes over sensitive to the oxalates. I met him at a Vulvar pain seminar. Very nice gentle man. > > Just wondering if anyone has read why the oxalates in urine process starts. > I am thinking that high oxalates in my urine may be a contributing factor to > my pain, but wonder why this starts? Does anyone know? > > C > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Just to throw my 2cents in : I started the calcitrate supplements and the calendula/estrace cream and have noticed a HUGE difference as far as my level of discomfort/pain- it has only been a couple of weeks now so i am hoping for greater improvement in the weeks to come. I have been a sufferer for years and decided to try this treatment since I had nothing to lose! KL Subject: Re: oxalate theoryTo: VulvarDisorders Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:35 PM Clive Solomons a physican researcher is who came up with this theory many years ago. The Vulvar Pain Foundation http://www.vulvarpa infoundation. org/vpfnewslette r.htm is a grassroots organization that supports and promotes a low oxalate diet and CaCitrate to bind oxalates as a effective treatment. Oxalates are needlelike in structure similar to the fibers in thistles and it is believed that the oxalates are irritating to the vulvar tissue and aggravate the surrounding areas of the urethra when excreted in the urine. Calcium citrate is supposed to bind the oxalates so they can be excreted without this irriation and over time allow the tissue to heal. He also relates oxalates to "burning tongue" syndrome as a similar condition. I don't think anyone knows why the body becomes over sensitive to the oxalates. I met him at a Vulvar pain seminar. Very nice gentle man.>> Just wondering if anyone has read why the oxalates in urine process starts. > I am thinking that high oxalates in my urine may be a contributing factor to > my pain, but wonder why this starts? Does anyone know?> > C> ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol. com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalobacter_formigenes Oxalobacter formigenes is an oxalate-degrading anaerobic bacterium that colonizes the large intestine in humans. While the human colon is normally cultivated by these bacteria, they can be lost due to antibiotic treatment with quinolones (however, not penicillin or Bactrim). In people lacking the bacterium, calcium oxalate is not degraded in the intestinal tract, and kidney stones can recur.[1] Research is being conducted on its use as a treatment to prevent the formation of calcium-oxalate kidney stones. Also see: http://www.oxthera.com/pr.php?no=0 Oxthera is a product which has been researched and hopefully will replace the oxalobacter formigenes in the gut, Ora >Just wondering if anyone has read why the oxalates in urine process starts. >I am thinking that high oxalates in my urine may be a contributing factor to >my pain, but wonder why this starts? Does anyone know? > >C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 This might be interesting. http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com.../oxal-test.pdf and http://www.lowoxalate.info/ and The following is a quote and also a comment from a poster on a forum: Quote: Where do oxalates come from? Oxalates are present in a lot of plants and fruit that we eat and in virtually all seeds and nuts. Ordinarily, the gut won't absorb much of the oxalate from the diet, and the oxalate will be metabolized by the flora or just leave the body with the stool. Under other conditions, a lot of the dietary oxalate is absorbed. Overabsorption is far more likely to occur when the tight junctions between the cells which line the gut open up and let molecules pass through between the cells in a condition called the " leaky gut " which is similar to a condition in the bladder with open junctions called the " leaky bladder " . comment: And WHY do people have " tight junction dysfunction, " as Dr. Alessio Fasano states in his PubMed studies? It's all due to gluten/gliadin! So oxalates are harmless UNLESS we have a leaky gut. Or that's what I'm getting here... (The leaky gut is caused by the damage gluten causes in the gut apparently according to Dr. Fassano, who is a well known doctor and author in this field.) Arline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I was metabolizing oxalates better when I was on liver herbs (although those gave me a lot of problems too, so I don't recommend herbs for those of us with vulvodynia sicne we are very sensitive people.) I got an oxalate problem after antibiotics, so the oxalobacter theory seemed correct to me, but as I said, I wasn't nearly as effected when I was taking herbs. So I think it's more of just a detox problem. > > This might be interesting. > > http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com.../oxal-test.pdf > > and > > http://www.lowoxalate.info/ > > and > > The following is a quote and also a comment from a poster on a forum: > > > > > Quote: > Where do oxalates come from? > > Oxalates are present in a lot of plants and fruit that we eat and in virtually all seeds and nuts. Ordinarily, the gut won't absorb much of the oxalate from the diet, and the oxalate will be metabolized by the flora or just leave the body with the stool. Under other conditions, a lot of the dietary oxalate is absorbed. Overabsorption is far more likely to occur when the tight junctions between the cells which line the gut open up and let molecules pass through between the cells in a condition called the " leaky gut " which is similar to a condition in the bladder with open junctions called the " leaky bladder " . > > comment: > And WHY do people have " tight junction dysfunction, " as Dr. Alessio Fasano states in his PubMed studies? It's all due to gluten/gliadin! So oxalates are harmless UNLESS we have a leaky gut. Or that's what I'm getting here... > > (The leaky gut is caused by the damage gluten causes in the gut apparently according to Dr. Fassano, who is a well known doctor and author in this field.) > > Arline > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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