Re: SLEEP..........or lack there of

July 18, 2006

Not a clue as to why he isn't sleeping good. But I'm curious.. how well does

he talks in his sleep. Thats something I've never heard Abby do. She may have.

but I haven't heard it. Interesting... Maybe I should stick a tape recorder

in there w/ her, lol.

July 18, 2006

I don't know what causes it, but I do know that melatonin is one of

the best things we ever purchased! Our daughter did the same thing

and the very first night we gave her melatonin, she went right to

sleep, in her own bed, and slept through the night. We are giving her

one-half of a 2.5 mg pill. Good luck! I hope this works for you as

well.

Theresa

>

> hello,

> i have posted before about my son's poor sleeping habits, but wanted

> to go in a little deeper this time.

> he has never been a good sleeper, he woke almost every hour as a

baby,

> and then around 18 months started with the night terrors. now that he

> is almost 3, we have moved on to something else. he sleeps with us,

> and frequently wakes and asks for water, he frequently cries HARD in

> his sleep, he frequently moves around A LOT in his sleep. he seems so

> restless. he talks in his sleep a lot too. it just seems like he

never

> gets into a peaceful sleep.

> any idea what could be causing this??

> thanks!

>

July 18, 2006

My son just had his tonsils and adnoids removed and tubes put in a month ago.

He was in the hospital for three days and that is a scary thing for a 3 year old

boy who has a hard time understanding language adn can barely talk himself.

Since then has has had MANY night terrors. Screaming uncontrollably and having

a horrible time awakening from that terrible terror. I looked up some info

on-line and a ped said to use Benedryl a half hour before bed time. We tried it

last Sat nite and I am proud to say (knock on wood) that we have finally gotten

some sleep at our house again. I did not believe that it would work because

Benedryl does not ususally make Lucas sleep well, infact he tends to get hyper

from it.

Try it and let me know how it works for you!!!! Good luck. I feel your pain.

(Lucas has always been a horrible sleeper so I know where you are coming from)

Jill

Jerzmomof4@... wrote:

Not a clue as to why he isn't sleeping good. But I'm curious.. how

well does

he talks in his sleep. Thats something I've never heard Abby do. She may have.

but I haven't heard it. Interesting... Maybe I should stick a tape recorder

in there w/ her, lol.

July 19, 2006

My daughter was a great sleeper until she was 18 months old.

By the age of 6 weeks she was sleeping for 8 - 12 hours, I have no idea what

happened at 18 months but even now at 4 she can not sleep all night.

We have the same routine for her that has not changed for about 2 years, and

she knows what to do but after having a bottle (this is the only time she has

dairy food) she just will not go to sleep.

When I ask her why she won't sleep she points to her head and then makes the

sign for busy. The only thing I can think of is that her brain is still working

over time.

When she does finally fall asleep she will only sleep for 6 hours and then is

ready to start her day.

She also talks in her sleep and she is word perfect. When I told one of the

Dr's they didn't believe me so I did tape her one night and then played it to

the Dr and he was dumbfounded.

The only thing that they (the Dr's) could think of was that when she is

sleeping her brain slows down as does the mouth and she takes her time.

When she is sleep talking it is usually about what we have learnt for that

day, and the next day she can say the words a little bit better then the day

before.

When she doesn't sleep talk the work that we have done that day she can not do

at all the next day, it is like she doesn't remember.

The other thing that I have found is that when she is sleeping her signing is

spot on when she is a wake she make many mistakes.

ine Mum to Mikayla 5 and Tabatha 4

Jerzmomof4@... wrote:

Not a clue as to why he isn't sleeping good. But I'm curious.. how

well does

he talks in his sleep. Thats something I've never heard Abby do. She may have.

but I haven't heard it. Interesting... Maybe I should stick a tape recorder

in there w/ her, lol.

July 19, 2006

Hi! Boy could I relate to your post. I have a 2 yo with sleep

issues, which I will mostly describe as " restless " nighttime sleep

(his naps are good). I have struggled with this, as it was completely

new to me (older child is a good/easy sleeper). I've read the books,

seeked help from the professionals, and tried many many things.

Finally, I self-referred us to a pediatric sleep clinic - which was

very helpful. No, he still doesn't sleep through the night very

often - but yes, it is better (which I believe is a combination of the

sleep clinic help AND he's getting older).

I consider my child to be pretty severe when it comes to night sleep.

When he was 6 months old, he would wake up every 15min to 1hr ALL

night long (only got a couple 2-3 hrs stretches) in a span of several

weeks - when it finally gradually started to get better.

One VERY important thing that I learned from the sleep clinic is that

kids with developmental delays (such as my kids' speech) are at a

higher risk for sleep issues. The sleep docs said that many of the

kids he sees has dev delays. (Obviously, just because your kid has a

dev delay doesn't mean s/he is going to have a sleep issue - but there

apparently is a strong correlation.) This does make sense to me.

What is odd about him is that between 4am-7am is always (from day 1!)

his most restless sleep, and we struggle with that the most.

I've heard a lot of advice on this -- and what I don't think some

folks understand is that my child can and does put himself to sleep

frequently. It's the STAYING asleep that is the problem. It's the

RESTLESSNESS that is the problem - as if something is wrong with him.

No, we haven't had the night terrors though - so I can't comment on

that.

Sorry to have babbled. But it's something very close to home for us,

too. People say that the newborn stage of sleeplessness for the

adults is hard (which it is!) - but try 2+ YEARS. It's obviously

very very difficult.

>

> hello,

> i have posted before about my son's poor sleeping habits, but wanted

> to go in a little deeper this time.

> he has never been a good sleeper, he woke almost every hour as a

baby,

> and then around 18 months started with the night terrors. now that he

> is almost 3, we have moved on to something else. he sleeps with us,

> and frequently wakes and asks for water, he frequently cries HARD in

> his sleep, he frequently moves around A LOT in his sleep. he seems so

> restless. he talks in his sleep a lot too. it just seems like he

never

> gets into a peaceful sleep.

> any idea what could be causing this??

> thanks!

>

July 19, 2006

My son had sleep problem so many times.

When he was just month to till 2months old he never used to sleep well.

Then i took him to a new pediatrician where she changed his formula to

Nutramigin the one which is already broken. not like the one which will break

through digesion.

The next day onwards he started sleeping though out night without any

problems.

--Main cause was bad digestion.

Next when he was 1 and 1/2 year to 2 years old same problem waking up /or

rotating on bed, sweating ..

He used to drink Vit-D Milk before go to bed.

Then i changed it from Vit-D to Skim milk at night time ,and sometimes no milk

at night. This helped him a lot to get sound sleep at night.

What i mean to say is some food what they take in night time before bed causes

them problem in sound sleeping. Watch them and try to change the timing like

give it in the evening instead of night time will help them to get sound sleep.

Hope this may help someone out there.

Rama

ine <tubrar7@...> wrote:

My daughter was a great sleeper until she was 18 months old.

By the age of 6 weeks she was sleeping for 8 - 12 hours, I have no idea what

happened at 18 months but even now at 4 she can not sleep all night.

We have the same routine for her that has not changed for about 2 years, and she

knows what to do but after having a bottle (this is the only time she has dairy

food) she just will not go to sleep.

When I ask her why she won't sleep she points to her head and then makes the

sign for busy. The only thing I can think of is that her brain is still working

over time.

When she does finally fall asleep she will only sleep for 6 hours and then is

ready to start her day.

She also talks in her sleep and she is word perfect. When I told one of the Dr's

they didn't believe me so I did tape her one night and then played it to the Dr

and he was dumbfounded.

The only thing that they (the Dr's) could think of was that when she is sleeping

her brain slows down as does the mouth and she takes her time.

When she is sleep talking it is usually about what we have learnt for that day,

and the next day she can say the words a little bit better then the day before.

When she doesn't sleep talk the work that we have done that day she can not do

at all the next day, it is like she doesn't remember.

The other thing that I have found is that when she is sleeping her signing is

spot on when she is a wake she make many mistakes.

ine Mum to Mikayla 5 and Tabatha 4

Jerzmomof4@... wrote:

Not a clue as to why he isn't sleeping good. But I'm curious.. how well does

he talks in his sleep. Thats something I've never heard Abby do. She may have.

but I haven't heard it. Interesting... Maybe I should stick a tape recorder

in there w/ her, lol.

July 19, 2006

It does sound like your daughter may not tolerate dairy. I would have

her tested for IgG and IgE antibodies to dairy.

>

> My son had sleep problem so many times.

>

> When he was just month to till 2months old he never used to sleep

well.

> Then i took him to a new pediatrician where she changed his

formula to Nutramigin the one which is already broken. not like the

one which will break through digesion.

> The next day onwards he started sleeping though out night without

any problems.

> --Main cause was bad digestion.

July 19, 2006

I agree. My daughter used to stay awake most of the night, crying. I thought

she was having bad dreams. She was like this for YEARS. I got used to it,

until I heard about the GFCF diet. I took her off of dairy and she was

perfect. I think it took a couple days to work itself out of her system.

But, after that, she slept very well :-)

You might want to eliminate dairy for awhile just to see.

Aubrey

July 20, 2006

I agree. My daughter used to stay awake most of the night, crying. I thought

she was having bad dreams. She was like this for YEARS. I got used to it,

until I heard about the GFCF diet. I took her off of dairy and she was

perfect. I think it took a couple days to work itself out of her system.

But, after that, she slept very well :-)

You might want to eliminate dairy for awhile just to see.

Aubrey

July 20, 2006

This hits home with us too. My 10-year-old has always had sleep issues.

However, I always chocked it up to allergies (which still may be part of the

cause). I had to work when he was little, so I always thought he was just

getting up in the middle of the night to get some cuddling. Anyway, he isn't

apraxic, however, he has just recently been diagnosed with ADD (hence he also

has a busy brain). My 21/2-yr-old, born with a genetic syndrome, doesn't sleep

well either. He, too, has had his tonsils and adenoids out. In his syndrome

this is common when younger kids like this are on growth hormone, which he is.

However, he also has real severe reflux, which causes respiratory issues as

well. We are getting ready for his 4th or 5th sleep study (I can't keep track

anymore:). The last few weeks have been sleepless, and I found someone's

comment about the developmental issues being sleep-related, interesting. Since

we have an appointment today at the sleep clinic, I will ask about that. I will

let everyone know if I find out something new.

Another issue with my older son, which might relate to someone, is that he

cannot have ANY stimulation before bedtime. My husband has even resorted to

reading technical manuals (LOL) before bedtime, since he feels the emotional

need for night-time reading. He complains, but it does usually work! For him,

milk also DOES work. It has just enough of a sleep aid to help him go to sleep.

Blessings,

Kim

" The Lord bless you and keep you. "

July 20, 2006

this may not work with your 2 1/2 yr old but you might want to try it with

your 10 yr old

what you do is lay in bed and try to relax

1st you tell your toes to relax , then your feet , then your ankles, legs,

knees, thighs,and so on all the way up your body you would be surprises

you can really feel your self relaxing and by saying it to yourself in your

head it makes your mind relax because that is all you are thinking about

the 1st few time you or your husband may want to say the words to him but

after a few time he may just do it himself

I know it sounds weird but when I have had a busy day and cant wind down I

do it and most of the time I don't get past my shoulders before I'm asleep

Good Luck

Jean

[ ] Re: SLEEP..........or lack there of

> This hits home with us too. My 10-year-old has always had sleep issues.

> However, I always chocked it up to allergies (which still may be part of

> the cause). I had to work when he was little, so I always thought he was

> just getting up in the middle of the night to get some cuddling. Anyway,

> he isn't apraxic, however, he has just recently been diagnosed with ADD

> (hence he also has a busy brain). My 21/2-yr-old, born with a genetic

> syndrome, doesn't sleep well either. He, too, has had his tonsils and

> adenoids out. In his syndrome this is common when younger kids like this

> are on growth hormone, which he is. However, he also has real severe

> reflux, which causes respiratory issues as well. We are getting ready for

> his 4th or 5th sleep study (I can't keep track anymore:). The last few

> weeks have been sleepless, and I found someone's comment about the

> developmental issues being sleep-related, interesting. Since we have an

> appointment today at the sleep clinic, I will ask about that. I will let

> everyone know if I find out something new.

>

> Another issue with my older son, which might relate to someone, is that he

> cannot have ANY stimulation before bedtime. My husband has even resorted

> to reading technical manuals (LOL) before bedtime, since he feels the

> emotional need for night-time reading. He complains, but it does usually

> work! For him, milk also DOES work. It has just enough of a sleep aid to

> help him go to sleep.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Kim

> " The Lord bless you and keep you. "

>

July 20, 2006