Re: A grandmother's perspective, part II: Recovery, the way back

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Since you are open minded about biomedical, you might be interested

in doing/checking for genetic methylation polymorphisms, organic acid

testing would be of benefit, however, if the methylation pathways are

blocked by environmental insults, harboring of latent virus, patching

with methyl b12 is only part of the solution. With the family history

you presented, it is quite obvious there are significant methylation

pathway glitches. MTHFR, COMT, VDR, CBS, ACE, NOS,MS-MTRR, MTRR,

these pathways are at the core of the deficits.

I met with Professor Deth at Northeastern, he showed me what mercury

does within 12 hours to methionine synthase in the brain, it is

completely stripped of mb12, it returns to the liver but the brain

it does not so readily, if at all in any appreciable amounts, they

just are not sure at this point. Supplementation does help, but if

the pathways at other junctions are not properly supplemented, the

entire pathway is still not functioning up to capacity. A CBS

upregulation would increase ammonia production and stress the urea

cycle to a point that almost would be represenatative of a

mitochoncrial dysfunction/urea cycle disorder. These kids have such

low methylation that they have very little left to methylate

guandinoacetate to make creatine for muscle production. They do not

produce enough useable glutathione, and taken by mouth, only could

add to the problem because they are unable to reduce it into useable

form, creating more ammonia issues. So there are about 6 or 8 points

of dysfunction that lead to the inability to detox, deal with virus

silencing, immune system balancing, in fact making the kids

autoimmune as they can not get proper T Cell expansion because of

poor methylation ability, they retain virus in their cells, waiting

for the opportunity to reactivate. If you do a search on those above

polymorphisms in the general population, you will see that they are

as common as 75% of the populaton at large. The only caveat for the

parents, we did not get the environmental assaults from toxic food

air/vaccinations that this generation of children have gotten.

As they say, been there done that, maybe I will recap what we did to

loose our apraxia/hypotonia diagnosis at some point, and it too was

all biomedical. We do not have an autism diagnosis.

Colleen

>

> OK, so I wrote the first story from Tom's conception to age 2.3,

when he came to Florida.

> While I was waiting for an appt. with Early Intervention (took from

July to October, a long

> time when you know they can only help till age 3), I did what I

could to just get down on

> the floor with him and try to relate. They also had to do a

sedated hearing test before

> they could evaluate him (it was within normal limits).

>

[Guest guest]

wow what a wonderful recovery. its nice to hear great stories and what a great

grandma. he is lucky to have such a intelligent, fun and loving grandma.

chris

Kathleen Eickwort <Kathleen_E@...> wrote:

OK, so I wrote the first story from Tom's conception to age 2.3, when he came

to Florida.

While I was waiting for an appt. with Early Intervention (took from July to

October, a long

time when you know they can only help till age 3), I did what I could to just

get down on

the floor with him and try to relate. They also had to do a sedated hearing

test before

they could evaluate him (it was within normal limits).

[Guest guest]

Dear Colleen,

I went to a 16 hour continuing education event in Orlando 10 days ago and heard

Boyd

Haley, PhD and Shaw, PhD and a couple of DAN! physicians go over all of

what you

have written below. So far, I have gotten a prescription for organic acid urine

tests for

" Tom, " his mother, and myself, told the family about methyl B12, and am

currently reading

" Could It Be B12? " I have a very high suspicion that some of these tests will

show up

positive, and am very hopeful. Dr. Haley went over all of the places in the

normal

biochemical processes where mercury disrupts the enzymes that enable the normal

processes. He was great! My DDIL's mother died very young of liver cancer and

was

depressed all her life, probably she also had these problems...and they lived in

a highly

polluted area.

We will be doing the OAT testing from Great Plains Labs very soon. Two of the

three kits

came today. That was all in the long e-mail that got accidentally erased before

I wrote the

one I did. BTW, I was very happy that because of my PhD in biology, previous

work as a

nutrition Research Associate for a medical doctor, and family members involved,

they let

me go to the second day of the seminar (for medical practitioners) as well as

the first. I am

also very fortunate to have an open-minded doctor who is a D.O. and so not quite

as

closed-minded as some MDs (any MDs on this list, please do not take offense).

I had a bad run-in last week with my very depressed DIL's doctor after she

asked me to

accompany her to an office visit. He said she could only talk to him about one

problem.

When she persisted, he said, maybe she should get another doctor. I just

couldn't help at

that point saying, " That is an excellent idea! " and was asked to leave...said I

wouldn't stay

if he asked me. So I waited for two hours in the parking lot while they

punished my DIL by

making her wait two hours to have a blood draw, and talked about her being a

B*** in the

hall (or maybe me!), and then a nurse said, " Maybe we should close her door, "

and they

did.

I've had excellent doctors in my life, and I am very grateful to them. I have

also

encountered doctors that think that MD stands for Medical Deity, and I fire

them.

Peace,

Kathy E.

> >

> > OK, so I wrote the first story from Tom's conception to age 2.3,

> when he came to Florida.

> > While I was waiting for an appt. with Early Intervention (took from

> July to October, a long

> > time when you know they can only help till age 3), I did what I

> could to just get down on

> > the floor with him and try to relate. They also had to do a

> sedated hearing test before

> > they could evaluate him (it was within normal limits).

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wonderful story! If you haven't had your grandson's mother's thyroid

checked, it might be worth it. If you go this route, insist on

getting her Free T3 (not T3 or T3 Uptake) and Free T4 (not just T4)

tested. They are much better measures of proper thyroid function

than TSH.

Anne

>

> OK, so I wrote the first story from Tom's conception to age 2.3,

when he came to Florida.

> While I was waiting for an appt. with Early Intervention (took from

July to October, a long

> time when you know they can only help till age 3), I did what I

could to just get down on

> the floor with him and try to relate. They also had to do a

sedated hearing test before

> they could evaluate him (it was within normal limits).

>

> He had no formal therapy. I would do things like make up a game,

Run! Run! Run! STOP!

> and my two ies and I would run around the house with Tom like

he did constantly and

> then all FREEZE at the word STOP! (At first, the dogs were

actually better at this game than

> Tom, but he would soon run into the sofa or somewhere that would

help him put on the

> brakes.) I would go over to his house, too, and play with him on

the floor and talk about

> the play-doh colors, simple words, simple phrases, make him laugh,

blow

> bubbles...anything I thought might make some contact. So he did

have " grandma therapy. "

> And when I tried to leave the house I would try to get him to say,

Bye-bye, but he would

> cry and say HI! HI! by which he meant, don't leave, I don't want

to say bye, so I'm saying

> HI. No ABA or anything, just get on the floor and play with the

kid. I did read Greenspan's

> book on the special child and anything else I could get my hands

on.

[Guest guest]

Hi, , yes, we heard a lot about the MTHFR gene at the conference. Of

course

under ideal conditions some of these genes would still work OK, with good

nutrition, no

pollution, no heavy metals...but every enzyme in the body usually has a metal

co-factor

that works with it and helps it work, like, for instance magnesium, or

molybdenum, so

when you add a heavy metal like mercury or arsenic to the system, some of the

different

MTHFR genes end up with enzymes that then cannot work. The pathway is blocked or

sometimes it overfunctions. I believe a lot of what is being given is

methylcobalamin, as

you said this means the body doesn't have to methylate the vitamin B12 itself,

and

sometimes other needed vitamins at the same time like folinic acid.

Hope it continues to help your child. And I hope it is helpful to understand it

isn't just your

genes...it is the way your genes have been interacting with the environment, the

vaccines,

etc. Somebody made a wrong assumption somewhere that everybody had the same

physiology and ability to withstand some of these things, and it just isn't so.

Peace,

Kathy E.

>

> hi kathy E.

> we just beginning our treatment with our son going the biomedical approach.

My boy

has a faulty gene MTHFR, which helps brake down B12 and folic acid. his blood

work

came back with high levels of b12 and folic acid, the gene is not working so

that is why

there are high levels of these things. we are just starting b12 shots but its

not the pure

form its broken down more in the chain and high level folic acid vitamin. so

we'll see. i

do see him talking more and saying things a little better and more focused.

> your knowlege is endless and so is your compassion

> chris

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, that is one of the things we have been watching. I'm hypothyroid myself.

Last TSH

was 2.54 a couple of years ago but we just had the test done again last week, no

results yet.

If it is " normal " --and actually I think 2.54 is too high for TSH, we will ask

for a whole panel.

She doesn't eat fish, and is from the Midwest, so she actually could have an

iodine deficiency,

or autoimmune type thyroid problems. She certainly is fatigued to the point of

not being able

to function.

Peace,

Kathy E.

>

> Wonderful story! If you haven't had your grandson's mother's thyroid

> checked, it might be worth it. If you go this route, insist on

> getting her Free T3 (not T3 or T3 Uptake) and Free T4 (not just T4)

> tested. They are much better measures of proper thyroid function

> than TSH.

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Having the MTHFR is not a real big problem as long as you are using

the only form of folic acid this particular poly can process. It also

depends on which snp you have on the severity of the speech issue. A

1298 snp will have more significant speech/apraxia issue versus a 677

snp. A 1298 snp leads to lower homocysteine lower BH4 production and

slower citric acid/kreb cycle function/impaired detox, some with

dopamine/serotonin(mood) issues. A 677 is usually a higher

homocysteine, less speech issues, but still impaired detox ability.

However, knowing this information, for your child will benefit

him/her for the rest of their lives. As long as they take folinic

acid in the proper form, adequate b12 levels, they will get T cell

expansion,they will silence latent virus in their system, they will

detox those metals that have accumulated from the environment and

vaccinations. This knowledge is power for you to get your child well.

C

>

> thanks for the info, I wasn't sure if this was the gene that was

faulty with processing the therismol in shots. so it is. well that

is bad news as well.

> you really know your stuff kathy. its so confusing and you make

real easy to understand!!! thanks again

> chris

[Guest guest]

Another thing forgot to mention if people have cancer, alhzheimers,

heart disease, autoimmune disorders in their family tree, you can

almost guarantee, either a 677 or 1298 are in their genetic profile.

Every child that I know that has delays ranging from apraxia,

auditory processing, etc, have tested positive for one or both of

these two, and environmental toxins disable its activity even more.

These two polys are the most prevelant snps in the general " healthy "

population, it just manifests as a problem at an older age, so a

geneticist will not run these tests. They are ran for cardiac risk,

and homocysteine levels, definitely not run usually in the pediatric

population.

>

>

> Having the MTHFR is not a real big problem as long as you are using

> the only form of folic acid this particular poly can process. It

also

> depends on which snp you have on the severity of the speech issue.

A

> 1298 snp will have more significant speech/apraxia issue versus a

677

> snp. A 1298 snp leads to lower homocysteine lower BH4 production

and

> slower citric acid/kreb cycle function/impaired detox, some with

> dopamine/serotonin(mood) issues. A 677 is usually a higher

> homocysteine, less speech issues, but still impaired detox ability.

> However, knowing this information, for your child will benefit

> him/her for the rest of their lives. As long as they take folinic

> acid in the proper form, adequate b12 levels, they will get T cell

> expansion,they will silence latent virus in their system, they will

> detox those metals that have accumulated from the environment and

> vaccinations. This knowledge is power for you to get your child

well.

> C

>