Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Unlikely that your pediatrician will have an answer based on any evidence. We just don't know what the ideal dose is, and it may actually differ from child to child. The real question is around safety. As far as efficacy - if it works great. If it doesn't and you've given it up to 3 months, then you should go back to a lower dose. Omega 3 even in higher doses is safe. But there are always possible rare adverse reactions in the susceptible individual. Diarrhea is really not a big deal, and if it occurs you just pull back the dose. Bleeding issues are a larger concern (but after combing the literature, and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Funny, that with all my reading on dyspraxia in addition to apraxia, that I recently realized that my 5 year old son actually also has dyspraxia - but VERY MILD, compared to his younger brother. My middle child clearly has dyslexia - having gone through this with my nearly 8 year old daughter (who is very coordinated & not ADHD, that after great early intervention through 2 years at active reading clinic reads beautifully) is reading Harry Potter series this summer! My 5 year old has even greater issues recognizing all symbols, copying them etc than she did at age 4 and 5 - but we recognized it very early in , and he just started active reading clinic this summer...and for the first time is beginning to recognize a few letters. Turns out from reading a dyspraxia book that we realized that what we thought was 's inconsiderateness of others, bumping into people " in his way " , and constantly dropping/spilling things, that he just wasn't paying attention - in fact he is a bit clumsy and uncoordinated. He has a really hard time on a bike and manages to fall over even with training wheels. So his uncoordination is mild (common with dyslexia) - but just enough to get him in trouble and annoy those around him. I am cutting him a lot more slack these days, now realizing he can't really help it, and hoping that maybe higher omegas will help him too? We'll see, but this apraxia/dyspraxia/dyslexia/ADHD connection is very strong and clearly genetic in our family - considering over 75% nieces/nephews on my husband's side (who is also dyslexic) are dyslexic and/or with ADHD. - [ ] Re: ADD/ADHD and EFA's ,, and " marina " -not sure if this is your first name. Thanks for all your input regarding my son, and the EFA's. At this time, I think I'm going to just take it one day at a time. And see what happens by the end of the week. His attitude is, and has always been an " easy going kid " He wasn't dx'd ADD till 7th grade, because honestly, his distractibility and lack of focus went unnoticed for so long. Mostly his teachers thought him to be " lazy " And honestly, at time so did I. UNTIL, I started researching Apraxia, which lead to learning disorders, and ADD. Which is about the same time Abby was dx'd. It all came together at the same time. You can't imagine the guilt I felt for letting this go on for so long. Enough of that.. the past 2 days on this schedule has gone smoothly. I'm going to see how this week goes, watching for any changes. If need be, I can alter the times, dosing, etc. As far as talking to his pediatrician. I haven't. Because they don't really have knowledge on the issue. And his neurologist already tried to discount the positive effects this past spring when I brought it up to him at our last appt. (he was quick to write that script for concerta though) And I will admit, it DOES work. My physician does not want on concerta, due to the possible side effects, being a neuro-stimulant. And he also doesn't have " wordly " knowledge on the EFA's, and the positive neuro effects. Will have to consult with him again on this topic. Dawn in NJ. > > Dawn I give Dakota the same dosage of 5 ProEFA/5 ProEPA a day (he's > 11 soon to be 12 so just a few years younger) but...I give them all > together in the AM with breakfast. During the school year he gets 1 > ProEFA/1 ProEPA extra at lunch, so 6 ProEFA/6 ProEPA a day. He goes to > the school nurse to get them -and that was as I posted a year ago > per the suggestion of the school child psychiatrist since he was > reported by his teachers to be more focused in his AM classes then > his PM classes. This child psychiatrist is a huge believer in fish > oils for children -and her husband is a leading cardioMD in my area > (Dr. Gage -also Glenn's doc since he had his heart attack) and he > too is a huge believer in the fish oils. > Dr. Gage's page http://www.stuartcardiology.com/page4.html > > I'm not sure if we see the results because we give them all together > instead of spread out through the day -but try it Dakota's way for a > few days and let me know! Don't know about the higher dosage - > doubling it and all. That's a good question for someone like Dr. > or someone who has researched PUFAs and ADHD if 20 > capsules a day is too high -could be. The average doc won't be able > to answer something that out of the box -but off the top I'd say you > don't have to go that high to see the changes. And your son should > be able to let you know if just giving them all together makes a > difference. (or just increase by 1/1 to 6/6 and observe?) > > And a incredible update from Dr. Gage for Glenn...if he didn't know > Glenn had a heart attack he would never know. Glenn's been through > a zillion tests and there appears to be no sign of damage. He's off > just about all medications (still cholesterol medication and > aspirin...and fish oil of course) I'm so sure that fish oil made a > huge difference in what could have been the most horrible situation > of our life. Love that oil -glad I make my whole family take it! > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Unlikely that your pediatrician will have an answer based on any evidence. We just don't know what the ideal dose is, and it may actually differ from child to child. The real question is around safety. As far as efficacy - if it works great. If it doesn't and you've given it up to 3 months, then you should go back to a lower dose. Omega 3 even in higher doses is safe. But there are always possible rare adverse reactions in the susceptible individual. Diarrhea is really not a big deal, and if it occurs you just pull back the dose. Bleeding issues are a larger concern (but after combing the literature, and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Funny, that with all my reading on dyspraxia in addition to apraxia, that I recently realized that my 5 year old son actually also has dyspraxia - but VERY MILD, compared to his younger brother. My middle child clearly has dyslexia - having gone through this with my nearly 8 year old daughter (who is very coordinated & not ADHD, that after great early intervention through 2 years at active reading clinic reads beautifully) is reading Harry Potter series this summer! My 5 year old has even greater issues recognizing all symbols, copying them etc than she did at age 4 and 5 - but we recognized it very early in , and he just started active reading clinic this summer...and for the first time is beginning to recognize a few letters. Turns out from reading a dyspraxia book that we realized that what we thought was 's inconsiderateness of others, bumping into people " in his way " , and constantly dropping/spilling things, that he just wasn't paying attention - in fact he is a bit clumsy and uncoordinated. He has a really hard time on a bike and manages to fall over even with training wheels. So his uncoordination is mild (common with dyslexia) - but just enough to get him in trouble and annoy those around him. I am cutting him a lot more slack these days, now realizing he can't really help it, and hoping that maybe higher omegas will help him too? We'll see, but this apraxia/dyspraxia/dyslexia/ADHD connection is very strong and clearly genetic in our family - considering over 75% nieces/nephews on my husband's side (who is also dyslexic) are dyslexic and/or with ADHD. - [ ] Re: ADD/ADHD and EFA's ,, and " marina " -not sure if this is your first name. Thanks for all your input regarding my son, and the EFA's. At this time, I think I'm going to just take it one day at a time. And see what happens by the end of the week. His attitude is, and has always been an " easy going kid " He wasn't dx'd ADD till 7th grade, because honestly, his distractibility and lack of focus went unnoticed for so long. Mostly his teachers thought him to be " lazy " And honestly, at time so did I. UNTIL, I started researching Apraxia, which lead to learning disorders, and ADD. Which is about the same time Abby was dx'd. It all came together at the same time. You can't imagine the guilt I felt for letting this go on for so long. Enough of that.. the past 2 days on this schedule has gone smoothly. I'm going to see how this week goes, watching for any changes. If need be, I can alter the times, dosing, etc. As far as talking to his pediatrician. I haven't. Because they don't really have knowledge on the issue. And his neurologist already tried to discount the positive effects this past spring when I brought it up to him at our last appt. (he was quick to write that script for concerta though) And I will admit, it DOES work. My physician does not want on concerta, due to the possible side effects, being a neuro-stimulant. And he also doesn't have " wordly " knowledge on the EFA's, and the positive neuro effects. Will have to consult with him again on this topic. Dawn in NJ. > > Dawn I give Dakota the same dosage of 5 ProEFA/5 ProEPA a day (he's > 11 soon to be 12 so just a few years younger) but...I give them all > together in the AM with breakfast. During the school year he gets 1 > ProEFA/1 ProEPA extra at lunch, so 6 ProEFA/6 ProEPA a day. He goes to > the school nurse to get them -and that was as I posted a year ago > per the suggestion of the school child psychiatrist since he was > reported by his teachers to be more focused in his AM classes then > his PM classes. This child psychiatrist is a huge believer in fish > oils for children -and her husband is a leading cardioMD in my area > (Dr. Gage -also Glenn's doc since he had his heart attack) and he > too is a huge believer in the fish oils. > Dr. Gage's page http://www.stuartcardiology.com/page4.html > > I'm not sure if we see the results because we give them all together > instead of spread out through the day -but try it Dakota's way for a > few days and let me know! Don't know about the higher dosage - > doubling it and all. That's a good question for someone like Dr. > or someone who has researched PUFAs and ADHD if 20 > capsules a day is too high -could be. The average doc won't be able > to answer something that out of the box -but off the top I'd say you > don't have to go that high to see the changes. And your son should > be able to let you know if just giving them all together makes a > difference. (or just increase by 1/1 to 6/6 and observe?) > > And a incredible update from Dr. Gage for Glenn...if he didn't know > Glenn had a heart attack he would never know. Glenn's been through > a zillion tests and there appears to be no sign of damage. He's off > just about all medications (still cholesterol medication and > aspirin...and fish oil of course) I'm so sure that fish oil made a > huge difference in what could have been the most horrible situation > of our life. Love that oil -glad I make my whole family take it! > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 : What is the exact dose of EFA that your son is on now? I believe you said you use the liquid omega 3.6.9. and the Pro EPA capsules. WE just switched to the liquid and I was wondering what the max for a four year old weighing 39 pounds could be? Thanks, Kim <claudiamorris@...> wrote: Funny, that with all my reading on dyspraxia in addition to apraxia, that I recently realized that my 5 year old son actually also has dyspraxia - but VERY MILD, compared to his younger brother. My middle child clearly has dyslexia - having gone through this with my nearly 8 year old daughter (who is very coordinated & not ADHD, that after great early intervention through 2 years at active reading clinic reads beautifully) is reading Harry Potter series this summer! My 5 year old has even greater issues recognizing all symbols, copying them etc than she did at age 4 and 5 - but we recognized it very early in , and he just started active reading clinic this summer...and for the first time is beginning to recognize a few letters. Turns out from reading a dyspraxia book that we realized that what we thought was 's inconsiderateness of others, bumping into people " in his way " , and constantly dropping/spilling things, that he just wasn't paying attention - in fact he is a bit clumsy and uncoordinated. He has a really hard time on a bike and manages to fall over even with training wheels. So his uncoordination is mild (common with dyslexia) - but just enough to get him in trouble and annoy those around him. I am cutting him a lot more slack these days, now realizing he can't really help it, and hoping that maybe higher omegas will help him too? We'll see, but this apraxia/dyspraxia/dyslexia/ADHD connection is very strong and clearly genetic in our family - considering over 75% nieces/nephews on my husband's side (who is also dyslexic) are dyslexic and/or with ADHD. - [ ] Re: ADD/ADHD and EFA's ,, and " marina " -not sure if this is your first name. Thanks for all your input regarding my son, and the EFA's. At this time, I think I'm going to just take it one day at a time. And see what happens by the end of the week. His attitude is, and has always been an " easy going kid " He wasn't dx'd ADD till 7th grade, because honestly, his distractibility and lack of focus went unnoticed for so long. Mostly his teachers thought him to be " lazy " And honestly, at time so did I. UNTIL, I started researching Apraxia, which lead to learning disorders, and ADD. Which is about the same time Abby was dx'd. It all came together at the same time. You can't imagine the guilt I felt for letting this go on for so long. Enough of that.. the past 2 days on this schedule has gone smoothly. I'm going to see how this week goes, watching for any changes. If need be, I can alter the times, dosing, etc. As far as talking to his pediatrician. I haven't. Because they don't really have knowledge on the issue. And his neurologist already tried to discount the positive effects this past spring when I brought it up to him at our last appt. (he was quick to write that script for concerta though) And I will admit, it DOES work. My physician does not want on concerta, due to the possible side effects, being a neuro-stimulant. And he also doesn't have " wordly " knowledge on the EFA's, and the positive neuro effects. Will have to consult with him again on this topic. Dawn in NJ. > > Dawn I give Dakota the same dosage of 5 ProEFA/5 ProEPA a day (he's > 11 soon to be 12 so just a few years younger) but...I give them all > together in the AM with breakfast. During the school year he gets 1 > ProEFA/1 ProEPA extra at lunch, so 6 ProEFA/6 ProEPA a day. He goes to > the school nurse to get them -and that was as I posted a year ago > per the suggestion of the school child psychiatrist since he was > reported by his teachers to be more focused in his AM classes then > his PM classes. This child psychiatrist is a huge believer in fish > oils for children -and her husband is a leading cardioMD in my area > (Dr. Gage -also Glenn's doc since he had his heart attack) and he > too is a huge believer in the fish oils. > Dr. Gage's page http://www.stuartcardiology.com/page4.html > > I'm not sure if we see the results because we give them all together > instead of spread out through the day -but try it Dakota's way for a > few days and let me know! Don't know about the higher dosage - > doubling it and all. That's a good question for someone like Dr. > or someone who has researched PUFAs and ADHD if 20 > capsules a day is too high -could be. The average doc won't be able > to answer something that out of the box -but off the top I'd say you > don't have to go that high to see the changes. And your son should > be able to let you know if just giving them all together makes a > difference. (or just increase by 1/1 to 6/6 and observe?) > > And a incredible update from Dr. Gage for Glenn...if he didn't know > Glenn had a heart attack he would never know. Glenn's been through > a zillion tests and there appears to be no sign of damage. He's off > just about all medications (still cholesterol medication and > aspirin...and fish oil of course) I'm so sure that fish oil made a > huge difference in what could have been the most horrible situation > of our life. Love that oil -glad I make my whole family take it! > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 I think you should switch back to the capsules, because I suspect the higher vit E may help stabilize/protect the omegas during storage etc, plus likely has added clinical benefit. More on that later. My son is now taking 2 EFA+ 1 EPA, three times a day. You can just pinch and squeeze out the oil and put it in food, but my son drinks his " talking medicine " without a problem. No one knows what the " max " is, but starting at this dose twice a day, and then going up to 3 times a day is a reasonalbe approach. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 : What is the exact dose of EFA that your son is on now? I believe you said you use the liquid omega 3.6.9. and the Pro EPA capsules. WE just switched to the liquid and I was wondering what the max for a four year old weighing 39 pounds could be? Thanks, Kim <claudiamorris@...> wrote: Funny, that with all my reading on dyspraxia in addition to apraxia, that I recently realized that my 5 year old son actually also has dyspraxia - but VERY MILD, compared to his younger brother. My middle child clearly has dyslexia - having gone through this with my nearly 8 year old daughter (who is very coordinated & not ADHD, that after great early intervention through 2 years at active reading clinic reads beautifully) is reading Harry Potter series this summer! My 5 year old has even greater issues recognizing all symbols, copying them etc than she did at age 4 and 5 - but we recognized it very early in , and he just started active reading clinic this summer...and for the first time is beginning to recognize a few letters. Turns out from reading a dyspraxia book that we realized that what we thought was 's inconsiderateness of others, bumping into people " in his way " , and constantly dropping/spilling things, that he just wasn't paying attention - in fact he is a bit clumsy and uncoordinated. He has a really hard time on a bike and manages to fall over even with training wheels. So his uncoordination is mild (common with dyslexia) - but just enough to get him in trouble and annoy those around him. I am cutting him a lot more slack these days, now realizing he can't really help it, and hoping that maybe higher omegas will help him too? We'll see, but this apraxia/dyspraxia/dyslexia/ADHD connection is very strong and clearly genetic in our family - considering over 75% nieces/nephews on my husband's side (who is also dyslexic) are dyslexic and/or with ADHD. - [ ] Re: ADD/ADHD and EFA's ,, and " marina " -not sure if this is your first name. Thanks for all your input regarding my son, and the EFA's. At this time, I think I'm going to just take it one day at a time. And see what happens by the end of the week. His attitude is, and has always been an " easy going kid " He wasn't dx'd ADD till 7th grade, because honestly, his distractibility and lack of focus went unnoticed for so long. Mostly his teachers thought him to be " lazy " And honestly, at time so did I. UNTIL, I started researching Apraxia, which lead to learning disorders, and ADD. Which is about the same time Abby was dx'd. It all came together at the same time. You can't imagine the guilt I felt for letting this go on for so long. Enough of that.. the past 2 days on this schedule has gone smoothly. I'm going to see how this week goes, watching for any changes. If need be, I can alter the times, dosing, etc. As far as talking to his pediatrician. I haven't. Because they don't really have knowledge on the issue. And his neurologist already tried to discount the positive effects this past spring when I brought it up to him at our last appt. (he was quick to write that script for concerta though) And I will admit, it DOES work. My physician does not want on concerta, due to the possible side effects, being a neuro-stimulant. And he also doesn't have " wordly " knowledge on the EFA's, and the positive neuro effects. Will have to consult with him again on this topic. Dawn in NJ. > > Dawn I give Dakota the same dosage of 5 ProEFA/5 ProEPA a day (he's > 11 soon to be 12 so just a few years younger) but...I give them all > together in the AM with breakfast. During the school year he gets 1 > ProEFA/1 ProEPA extra at lunch, so 6 ProEFA/6 ProEPA a day. He goes to > the school nurse to get them -and that was as I posted a year ago > per the suggestion of the school child psychiatrist since he was > reported by his teachers to be more focused in his AM classes then > his PM classes. This child psychiatrist is a huge believer in fish > oils for children -and her husband is a leading cardioMD in my area > (Dr. Gage -also Glenn's doc since he had his heart attack) and he > too is a huge believer in the fish oils. > Dr. Gage's page http://www.stuartcardiology.com/page4.html > > I'm not sure if we see the results because we give them all together > instead of spread out through the day -but try it Dakota's way for a > few days and let me know! Don't know about the higher dosage - > doubling it and all. That's a good question for someone like Dr. > or someone who has researched PUFAs and ADHD if 20 > capsules a day is too high -could be. The average doc won't be able > to answer something that out of the box -but off the top I'd say you > don't have to go that high to see the changes. And your son should > be able to let you know if just giving them all together makes a > difference. (or just increase by 1/1 to 6/6 and observe?) > > And a incredible update from Dr. Gage for Glenn...if he didn't know > Glenn had a heart attack he would never know. Glenn's been through > a zillion tests and there appears to be no sign of damage. He's off > just about all medications (still cholesterol medication and > aspirin...and fish oil of course) I'm so sure that fish oil made a > huge difference in what could have been the most horrible situation > of our life. Love that oil -glad I make my whole family take it! > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 I think you should switch back to the capsules, because I suspect the higher vit E may help stabilize/protect the omegas during storage etc, plus likely has added clinical benefit. More on that later. My son is now taking 2 EFA+ 1 EPA, three times a day. You can just pinch and squeeze out the oil and put it in food, but my son drinks his " talking medicine " without a problem. No one knows what the " max " is, but starting at this dose twice a day, and then going up to 3 times a day is a reasonalbe approach. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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