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If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

pregnant? The following clip is from an archive (I put the entire

post below) for those who believe that the numbers are higher in

certain areas due to awareness. I'm starting to come to the

conclusion that the reason there may be two distinct schools of

thought on apraxia today is because the other group is located in

Pittsburgh -where I've heard there are very few members -(even

though some would believe there are tons of kids there) and...our

group was started in New Apraxia, I mean Jersey.

And for those who have not read this http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html

Anyway -let us know where you were while pregnant!

" I was speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida

and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not. "

From

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Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:09 pm

" kiddietalk " kiddietalk@...

Re: does anyone else like to blame vaccines and other environmental

Hey Joanne!

The awareness thing only runs true at times in the explanation of

diagnosis of apraxia and why certain areas are higher or lower. My

co author of The Late Talker is neurodevelopmental pediatrician in

private practice in NYC (and medical director for NYC Early

Intervention for NYC) and she too could not explain the lack of

apraxic children in Manhattan before 911. In that case anyway which

is the most dramatic example out there -that was not due to lack of

awareness that's for sure! The entire EI staff was and is fully

knowledgeable about apraxia due to Dr. Agin. In fact the entire NYC

tristate area is pretty up in general on apraxia.

(back then Children's Apraxia Network and CHERAB had huge meetings)

And it wasn't just the doctors. If you check the archives we had

more than one example of producers in NYC before 911 looking to

interview families in NYC (Manhattan)because it's cheaper and easier

for them, and instead they always ended up going to NJ. Don't get

me wrong there are apraxic children in Long Island and Westchester

and all the surrounding boroughs of Manhattan -just not in Manhattan

for some reason back then. Lack of soil for it to spread that way

perhaps?

And for those that don't know -parts of NJ are literally minutes

away (given a time there is no traffic that is) over a bridge or

through a tunnel from Manhattan.

I checked the EPA where I live even before I moved, and it's no

comparison clean to where I moved from. Also where I live now in

addition to Tanner being the only apraxic child in any school he has

gone to (which is just so weird!) in most cases I have to drive an

hour or more to find another one! Florida may be toxic in

parts,,,but Florida is a huge state. The Miami or Boca area and

Tampa area appear to be higher for example in numbers of apraxic

children than where I am on the Treasure Coast or the Panhandle

areas both where our numbers are few to none. I remember I was

speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not.

And runs Florida support in Vero and her daughter has

global apraxia..but we have other than no members there and

yet another example of someone from a " low " area where the ProEFA

doesn't seem to work.

I spoke to someone who works in soil for the state of Florida and

told him I'd love to have soil testing comparison in different areas

depending on number of apraxic children. Anyway I notice strange

things that most don't notice. You can read one of them like the

clearing of the throat thing in theaters in the following archive

from 2005 that addressed this very same topic. Toxic Florida. I

guess that's why it feels like home it me. Perhaps Florida today is

like NJ was when I was a little girl! (and not for nothing but the

planet's just not that big. Eventually there will be no way to move

away from it unless you are away from all civilization...and

rain...maybe in North Dakota or something (I can kid because there's

nobody here from there right?)

Re: Fwd: Envirnmental Working Group profile

It doesn't say but I'm guessing this is posted in response to

" Palm Beach Post News Toxins and Cord blood "

/message/4129

1

I was going to comment on that article as well since of all areas of

the country it was about the about the high amounts of 'toxins' found

in children from all the farmland here in... Florida! (it was sent to

me private as well but I didn't post it)

I live on the waterways of the Treasure Coast of Florida now where

Tropicana and other citrus farmers have run off chemicals coming

through the waterways. And yet...tons of fish here, the people that

live near me -virtually no apraxic children -and as of yet have not

met any with autism either. If you ask those that grew up here " Who

do you know with cancer? " (yes I'm the type of person that asks

stuff like this) I get after a few moments where they stop and think

about it " I'm not sure if I know anyone with cancer. I have to

think about that. " If you are from New Jersey, how many of you can

say that? Yes NJ 'was' known as the " Garden State " (or is? still?)

but that was probably before there was a factory on every corner.

Also I noticed something else I've pointed out to a few doctors.

When you go to the movies or a play you always hit a dead spot where

all is quiet for a few seconds at least. In NJ and NY where I used

to live in both states -you'd always hear at least a few people

during this quiet period either clearing their throats or coughing.

Here (before the hurricanes) quiet.

So if the babies here have tons of pesticides in their umbilical

cords -perhaps it's some type of apraxia prevention. (just kidding I

think)

As far as vested interest, it's harder to find any studies

completely void of any vested interest. This is why it is wise to

examine all sides to find the truth.

As one wise toy inventor always said to me " the proof is in the

pudding "

And.. I'll take pesticides over toxic black NJ ooze bird killer

anyday! (from

where I moved 'from' thank God)

http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park's%20soil%

20is%20highly%20toxic.pdf

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My severly apraxic son was born in TX! You should probably due a stats test

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Please respond to

If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

pregnant? The following clip is from an archive (I put the entire

post below) for those who believe that the numbers are higher in

certain areas due to awareness. I'm starting to come to the

conclusion that the reason there may be two distinct schools of

thought on apraxia today is because the other group is located in

Pittsburgh -where I've heard there are very few members -(even

though some would believe there are tons of kids there) and...our

group was started in New Apraxia, I mean Jersey.

And for those who have not read this http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html

Anyway -let us know where you were while pregnant!

" I was speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida

and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not. "

From

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Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:09 pm

" kiddietalk " kiddietalk@...

Re: does anyone else like to blame vaccines and other environmental

Hey Joanne!

The awareness thing only runs true at times in the explanation of

diagnosis of apraxia and why certain areas are higher or lower. My

co author of The Late Talker is neurodevelopmental pediatrician in

private practice in NYC (and medical director for NYC Early

Intervention for NYC) and she too could not explain the lack of

apraxic children in Manhattan before 911. In that case anyway which

is the most dramatic example out there -that was not due to lack of

awareness that's for sure! The entire EI staff was and is fully

knowledgeable about apraxia due to Dr. Agin. In fact the entire NYC

tristate area is pretty up in general on apraxia.

(back then Children's Apraxia Network and CHERAB had huge meetings)

And it wasn't just the doctors. If you check the archives we had

more than one example of producers in NYC before 911 looking to

interview families in NYC (Manhattan)because it's cheaper and easier

for them, and instead they always ended up going to NJ. Don't get

me wrong there are apraxic children in Long Island and Westchester

and all the surrounding boroughs of Manhattan -just not in Manhattan

for some reason back then. Lack of soil for it to spread that way

perhaps?

And for those that don't know -parts of NJ are literally minutes

away (given a time there is no traffic that is) over a bridge or

through a tunnel from Manhattan.

I checked the EPA where I live even before I moved, and it's no

comparison clean to where I moved from. Also where I live now in

addition to Tanner being the only apraxic child in any school he has

gone to (which is just so weird!) in most cases I have to drive an

hour or more to find another one! Florida may be toxic in

parts,,,but Florida is a huge state. The Miami or Boca area and

Tampa area appear to be higher for example in numbers of apraxic

children than where I am on the Treasure Coast or the Panhandle

areas both where our numbers are few to none. I remember I was

speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not.

And runs Florida support in Vero and her daughter has

global apraxia..but we have other than no members there and

yet another example of someone from a " low " area where the ProEFA

doesn't seem to work.

I spoke to someone who works in soil for the state of Florida and

told him I'd love to have soil testing comparison in different areas

depending on number of apraxic children. Anyway I notice strange

things that most don't notice. You can read one of them like the

clearing of the throat thing in theaters in the following archive

from 2005 that addressed this very same topic. Toxic Florida. I

guess that's why it feels like home it me. Perhaps Florida today is

like NJ was when I was a little girl! (and not for nothing but the

planet's just not that big. Eventually there will be no way to move

away from it unless you are away from all civilization...and

rain...maybe in North Dakota or something (I can kid because there's

nobody here from there right?)

Re: Fwd: Envirnmental Working Group profile

It doesn't say but I'm guessing this is posted in response to

" Palm Beach Post News Toxins and Cord blood "

/message/4129

1

I was going to comment on that article as well since of all areas of

the country it was about the about the high amounts of 'toxins' found

in children from all the farmland here in... Florida! (it was sent to

me private as well but I didn't post it)

I live on the waterways of the Treasure Coast of Florida now where

Tropicana and other citrus farmers have run off chemicals coming

through the waterways. And yet...tons of fish here, the people that

live near me -virtually no apraxic children -and as of yet have not

met any with autism either. If you ask those that grew up here " Who

do you know with cancer? " (yes I'm the type of person that asks

stuff like this) I get after a few moments where they stop and think

about it " I'm not sure if I know anyone with cancer. I have to

think about that. " If you are from New Jersey, how many of you can

say that? Yes NJ 'was' known as the " Garden State " (or is? still?)

but that was probably before there was a factory on every corner.

Also I noticed something else I've pointed out to a few doctors.

When you go to the movies or a play you always hit a dead spot where

all is quiet for a few seconds at least. In NJ and NY where I used

to live in both states -you'd always hear at least a few people

during this quiet period either clearing their throats or coughing.

Here (before the hurricanes) quiet.

So if the babies here have tons of pesticides in their umbilical

cords -perhaps it's some type of apraxia prevention. (just kidding I

think)

As far as vested interest, it's harder to find any studies

completely void of any vested interest. This is why it is wise to

examine all sides to find the truth.

As one wise toy inventor always said to me " the proof is in the

pudding "

And.. I'll take pesticides over toxic black NJ ooze bird killer

anyday! (from

where I moved 'from' thank God)

http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park's%20soil%

20is%20highly%20toxic.pdf

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" If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

pregnant? "

No, we didn't, because my in-laws had just moved from Montclair, NJ to

the Reading, PA area that very year. So, perhaps there is not a

connection, but it does seem to be a tantalyzing coincidence, doesn't

it, given everything else?

When we went to our initial visit with Dr. Hyman, our

Developmental Pediatrician (who rocks, by the way!), she confirmed the

apraxia suspicion and basically told us to seek support online because

there was not a significant enough population in our area to support a

local group as of yet (I am paraphrasing here). She told us that

apraxia was not a very common diagnosis in our area.

Very interesting. Thank you for your reply, ! I am glad that the

storm in Florida is much less than what was expected.

Warm regards,

******************

(Rochester, NY)

Mom to , 3.2 years, Verbal Apraxia

& , 1 year

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Subject: [ ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm ...

If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

pregnant? The following clip is from an archive (I put the entire

post below) for those who believe that the numbers are higher in

certain areas due to awareness. I'm starting to come to the

conclusion that the reason there may be two distinct schools of

thought on apraxia today is because the other group is located in

Pittsburgh -where I've heard there are very few members -(even

though some would believe there are tons of kids there) and...our

group was started in New Apraxia, I mean Jersey.

And for those who have not read this

http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html

<http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html>

Anyway -let us know where you were while pregnant!

" I was speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida

and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not. "

From

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Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:09 pm

" kiddietalk " kiddietalk@... <mailto:kiddietalk%40>

Re: does anyone else like to blame vaccines and other environmental

Hey Joanne!

The awareness thing only runs true at times in the explanation of

diagnosis of apraxia and why certain areas are higher or lower. My

co author of The Late Talker is neurodevelopmental pediatrician in

private practice in NYC (and medical director for NYC Early

Intervention for NYC) and she too could not explain the lack of

apraxic children in Manhattan before 911. In that case anyway which

is the most dramatic example out there -that was not due to lack of

awareness that's for sure! The entire EI staff was and is fully

knowledgeable about apraxia due to Dr. Agin. In fact the entire NYC

tristate area is pretty up in general on apraxia.

(back then Children's Apraxia Network and CHERAB had huge meetings)

And it wasn't just the doctors. If you check the archives we had

more than one example of producers in NYC before 911 looking to

interview families in NYC (Manhattan)because it's cheaper and easier

for them, and instead they always ended up going to NJ. Don't get

me wrong there are apraxic children in Long Island and Westchester

and all the surrounding boroughs of Manhattan -just not in Manhattan

for some reason back then. Lack of soil for it to spread that way

perhaps?

And for those that don't know -parts of NJ are literally minutes

away (given a time there is no traffic that is) over a bridge or

through a tunnel from Manhattan.

I checked the EPA where I live even before I moved, and it's no

comparison clean to where I moved from. Also where I live now in

addition to Tanner being the only apraxic child in any school he has

gone to (which is just so weird!) in most cases I have to drive an

hour or more to find another one! Florida may be toxic in

parts,,,but Florida is a huge state. The Miami or Boca area and

Tampa area appear to be higher for example in numbers of apraxic

children than where I am on the Treasure Coast or the Panhandle

areas both where our numbers are few to none. I remember I was

speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not.

And runs Florida support in Vero and her daughter has

global apraxia..but we have other than no members there and

yet another example of someone from a " low " area where the ProEFA

doesn't seem to work.

I spoke to someone who works in soil for the state of Florida and

told him I'd love to have soil testing comparison in different areas

depending on number of apraxic children. Anyway I notice strange

things that most don't notice. You can read one of them like the

clearing of the throat thing in theaters in the following archive

from 2005 that addressed this very same topic. Toxic Florida. I

guess that's why it feels like home it me. Perhaps Florida today is

like NJ was when I was a little girl! (and not for nothing but the

planet's just not that big. Eventually there will be no way to move

away from it unless you are away from all civilization...and

rain...maybe in North Dakota or something (I can kid because there's

nobody here from there right?)

Re: Fwd: Envirnmental Working Group profile

It doesn't say but I'm guessing this is posted in response to

" Palm Beach Post News Toxins and Cord blood "

/message/4129

< /message/4129>

1

I was going to comment on that article as well since of all areas of

the country it was about the about the high amounts of 'toxins' found

in children from all the farmland here in... Florida! (it was sent to

me private as well but I didn't post it)

I live on the waterways of the Treasure Coast of Florida now where

Tropicana and other citrus farmers have run off chemicals coming

through the waterways. And yet...tons of fish here, the people that

live near me -virtually no apraxic children -and as of yet have not

met any with autism either. If you ask those that grew up here " Who

do you know with cancer? " (yes I'm the type of person that asks

stuff like this) I get after a few moments where they stop and think

about it " I'm not sure if I know anyone with cancer. I have to

think about that. " If you are from New Jersey, how many of you can

say that? Yes NJ 'was' known as the " Garden State " (or is? still?)

but that was probably before there was a factory on every corner.

Also I noticed something else I've pointed out to a few doctors.

When you go to the movies or a play you always hit a dead spot where

all is quiet for a few seconds at least. In NJ and NY where I used

to live in both states -you'd always hear at least a few people

during this quiet period either clearing their throats or coughing.

Here (before the hurricanes) quiet.

So if the babies here have tons of pesticides in their umbilical

cords -perhaps it's some type of apraxia prevention. (just kidding I

think)

As far as vested interest, it's harder to find any studies

completely void of any vested interest. This is why it is wise to

examine all sides to find the truth.

As one wise toy inventor always said to me " the proof is in the

pudding "

And.. I'll take pesticides over toxic black NJ ooze bird killer

anyday! (from

where I moved 'from' thank God)

http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park

<http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park> 's%20soil%

20is%20highly%20toxic.pdf

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We're in Texas, though my daughter was not a real responder to EFAs. I

give them to her still, since her bloodwork showed she was low. She

responded much more to liposomal glutathione and carnaware.

>

> My severly apraxic son was born in TX! You should probably due a

stats test

> on this site...

>

>

>

> " kiddietalk "

> <kiddietalk@...> To:

> Sent by: cc:

> @yaho Subject:

[ ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm ...

> ogroups.com

>

>

> 08/30/2006 01:24 PM

> Please respond to

>

>

>

>

>

>

> If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

> pregnant? The following clip is from an archive (I put the entire

> post below) for those who believe that the numbers are higher in

> certain areas due to awareness. I'm starting to come to the

> conclusion that the reason there may be two distinct schools of

> thought on apraxia today is because the other group is located in

> Pittsburgh -where I've heard there are very few members -(even

> though some would believe there are tons of kids there) and...our

> group was started in New Apraxia, I mean Jersey.

> And for those who have not read this

http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html

>

> Anyway -let us know where you were while pregnant!

>

> " I was speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida

> and

> told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

> probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

> chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

> areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

> in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

> Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

> with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

> Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not. "

>

> From

> /message/49314

>

> Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:09 pm

> " kiddietalk " kiddietalk@...

> Re: does anyone else like to blame vaccines and other environmental

>

>

> Hey Joanne!

>

> The awareness thing only runs true at times in the explanation of

> diagnosis of apraxia and why certain areas are higher or lower. My

> co author of The Late Talker is neurodevelopmental pediatrician in

> private practice in NYC (and medical director for NYC Early

> Intervention for NYC) and she too could not explain the lack of

> apraxic children in Manhattan before 911. In that case anyway which

> is the most dramatic example out there -that was not due to lack of

> awareness that's for sure! The entire EI staff was and is fully

> knowledgeable about apraxia due to Dr. Agin. In fact the entire NYC

> tristate area is pretty up in general on apraxia.

> (back then Children's Apraxia Network and CHERAB had huge meetings)

>

> And it wasn't just the doctors. If you check the archives we had

> more than one example of producers in NYC before 911 looking to

> interview families in NYC (Manhattan)because it's cheaper and easier

> for them, and instead they always ended up going to NJ. Don't get

> me wrong there are apraxic children in Long Island and Westchester

> and all the surrounding boroughs of Manhattan -just not in Manhattan

> for some reason back then. Lack of soil for it to spread that way

> perhaps?

> And for those that don't know -parts of NJ are literally minutes

> away (given a time there is no traffic that is) over a bridge or

> through a tunnel from Manhattan.

>

> I checked the EPA where I live even before I moved, and it's no

> comparison clean to where I moved from. Also where I live now in

> addition to Tanner being the only apraxic child in any school he has

> gone to (which is just so weird!) in most cases I have to drive an

> hour or more to find another one! Florida may be toxic in

> parts,,,but Florida is a huge state. The Miami or Boca area and

> Tampa area appear to be higher for example in numbers of apraxic

> children than where I am on the Treasure Coast or the Panhandle

> areas both where our numbers are few to none. I remember I was

> speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida and

> told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

> probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

> chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

> areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

> in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

> Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

> with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

> Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not.

>

> And runs Florida support in Vero and her daughter has

> global apraxia..but we have other than no members there and

> yet another example of someone from a " low " area where the ProEFA

> doesn't seem to work.

>

> I spoke to someone who works in soil for the state of Florida and

> told him I'd love to have soil testing comparison in different areas

> depending on number of apraxic children. Anyway I notice strange

> things that most don't notice. You can read one of them like the

> clearing of the throat thing in theaters in the following archive

> from 2005 that addressed this very same topic. Toxic Florida. I

> guess that's why it feels like home it me. Perhaps Florida today is

> like NJ was when I was a little girl! (and not for nothing but the

> planet's just not that big. Eventually there will be no way to move

> away from it unless you are away from all civilization...and

> rain...maybe in North Dakota or something (I can kid because there's

> nobody here from there right?)

>

> Re: Fwd: Envirnmental Working Group profile

>

>

> It doesn't say but I'm guessing this is posted in response to

> " Palm Beach Post News Toxins and Cord blood "

> /message/4129

> 1

>

> I was going to comment on that article as well since of all areas of

> the country it was about the about the high amounts of 'toxins' found

> in children from all the farmland here in... Florida! (it was sent to

> me private as well but I didn't post it)

>

> I live on the waterways of the Treasure Coast of Florida now where

> Tropicana and other citrus farmers have run off chemicals coming

> through the waterways. And yet...tons of fish here, the people that

> live near me -virtually no apraxic children -and as of yet have not

> met any with autism either. If you ask those that grew up here " Who

> do you know with cancer? " (yes I'm the type of person that asks

> stuff like this) I get after a few moments where they stop and think

> about it " I'm not sure if I know anyone with cancer. I have to

> think about that. " If you are from New Jersey, how many of you can

> say that? Yes NJ 'was' known as the " Garden State " (or is? still?)

> but that was probably before there was a factory on every corner.

>

> Also I noticed something else I've pointed out to a few doctors.

> When you go to the movies or a play you always hit a dead spot where

> all is quiet for a few seconds at least. In NJ and NY where I used

> to live in both states -you'd always hear at least a few people

> during this quiet period either clearing their throats or coughing.

> Here (before the hurricanes) quiet.

>

> So if the babies here have tons of pesticides in their umbilical

> cords -perhaps it's some type of apraxia prevention. (just kidding I

> think)

>

> As far as vested interest, it's harder to find any studies

> completely void of any vested interest. This is why it is wise to

> examine all sides to find the truth.

>

> As one wise toy inventor always said to me " the proof is in the

> pudding "

>

> And.. I'll take pesticides over toxic black NJ ooze bird killer

> anyday! (from

> where I moved 'from' thank God)

> http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park's%20soil%

> 20is%20highly%20toxic.pdf

>

> =====

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If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

pregnant? The following clip is from an archive (I put the entire

post below) for those who believe that the numbers are higher in

certain areas due to awareness. I'm starting to come to the

conclusion that the reason there may be two distinct schools of

thought on apraxia today is because the other group is located in

Pittsburgh -where I've heard there are very few members -(even

though some would believe there are tons of kids there) and...our

group was started in New Apraxia, I mean Jersey.

And for those who have not read this http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html

Anyway -let us know where you were while pregnant!

" I was speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida

and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not. "

From

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Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:09 pm

" kiddietalk " kiddietalk@...

Re: does anyone else like to blame vaccines and other environmental

Hey Joanne!

The awareness thing only runs true at times in the explanation of

diagnosis of apraxia and why certain areas are higher or lower. My

co author of The Late Talker is neurodevelopmental pediatrician in

private practice in NYC (and medical director for NYC Early

Intervention for NYC) and she too could not explain the lack of

apraxic children in Manhattan before 911. In that case anyway which

is the most dramatic example out there -that was not due to lack of

awareness that's for sure! The entire EI staff was and is fully

knowledgeable about apraxia due to Dr. Agin. In fact the entire NYC

tristate area is pretty up in general on apraxia.

(back then Children's Apraxia Network and CHERAB had huge meetings)

And it wasn't just the doctors. If you check the archives we had

more than one example of producers in NYC before 911 looking to

interview families in NYC (Manhattan)because it's cheaper and easier

for them, and instead they always ended up going to NJ. Don't get

me wrong there are apraxic children in Long Island and Westchester

and all the surrounding boroughs of Manhattan -just not in Manhattan

for some reason back then. Lack of soil for it to spread that way

perhaps?

And for those that don't know -parts of NJ are literally minutes

away (given a time there is no traffic that is) over a bridge or

through a tunnel from Manhattan.

I checked the EPA where I live even before I moved, and it's no

comparison clean to where I moved from. Also where I live now in

addition to Tanner being the only apraxic child in any school he has

gone to (which is just so weird!) in most cases I have to drive an

hour or more to find another one! Florida may be toxic in

parts,,,but Florida is a huge state. The Miami or Boca area and

Tampa area appear to be higher for example in numbers of apraxic

children than where I am on the Treasure Coast or the Panhandle

areas both where our numbers are few to none. I remember I was

speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not.

And runs Florida support in Vero and her daughter has

global apraxia..but we have other than no members there and

yet another example of someone from a " low " area where the ProEFA

doesn't seem to work.

I spoke to someone who works in soil for the state of Florida and

told him I'd love to have soil testing comparison in different areas

depending on number of apraxic children. Anyway I notice strange

things that most don't notice. You can read one of them like the

clearing of the throat thing in theaters in the following archive

from 2005 that addressed this very same topic. Toxic Florida. I

guess that's why it feels like home it me. Perhaps Florida today is

like NJ was when I was a little girl! (and not for nothing but the

planet's just not that big. Eventually there will be no way to move

away from it unless you are away from all civilization...and

rain...maybe in North Dakota or something (I can kid because there's

nobody here from there right?)

Re: Fwd: Envirnmental Working Group profile

It doesn't say but I'm guessing this is posted in response to

" Palm Beach Post News Toxins and Cord blood "

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1

I was going to comment on that article as well since of all areas of

the country it was about the about the high amounts of 'toxins' found

in children from all the farmland here in... Florida! (it was sent to

me private as well but I didn't post it)

I live on the waterways of the Treasure Coast of Florida now where

Tropicana and other citrus farmers have run off chemicals coming

through the waterways. And yet...tons of fish here, the people that

live near me -virtually no apraxic children -and as of yet have not

met any with autism either. If you ask those that grew up here " Who

do you know with cancer? " (yes I'm the type of person that asks

stuff like this) I get after a few moments where they stop and think

about it " I'm not sure if I know anyone with cancer. I have to

think about that. " If you are from New Jersey, how many of you can

say that? Yes NJ 'was' known as the " Garden State " (or is? still?)

but that was probably before there was a factory on every corner.

Also I noticed something else I've pointed out to a few doctors.

When you go to the movies or a play you always hit a dead spot where

all is quiet for a few seconds at least. In NJ and NY where I used

to live in both states -you'd always hear at least a few people

during this quiet period either clearing their throats or coughing.

Here (before the hurricanes) quiet.

So if the babies here have tons of pesticides in their umbilical

cords -perhaps it's some type of apraxia prevention. (just kidding I

think)

As far as vested interest, it's harder to find any studies

completely void of any vested interest. This is why it is wise to

examine all sides to find the truth.

As one wise toy inventor always said to me " the proof is in the

pudding "

And.. I'll take pesticides over toxic black NJ ooze bird killer

anyday! (from

where I moved 'from' thank God)

http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park's%20soil%

20is%20highly%20toxic.pdf

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My severly apraxic son was born in TX! You should probably due a stats test

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Please respond to

If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

pregnant? The following clip is from an archive (I put the entire

post below) for those who believe that the numbers are higher in

certain areas due to awareness. I'm starting to come to the

conclusion that the reason there may be two distinct schools of

thought on apraxia today is because the other group is located in

Pittsburgh -where I've heard there are very few members -(even

though some would believe there are tons of kids there) and...our

group was started in New Apraxia, I mean Jersey.

And for those who have not read this http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html

Anyway -let us know where you were while pregnant!

" I was speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida

and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not. "

From

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Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:09 pm

" kiddietalk " kiddietalk@...

Re: does anyone else like to blame vaccines and other environmental

Hey Joanne!

The awareness thing only runs true at times in the explanation of

diagnosis of apraxia and why certain areas are higher or lower. My

co author of The Late Talker is neurodevelopmental pediatrician in

private practice in NYC (and medical director for NYC Early

Intervention for NYC) and she too could not explain the lack of

apraxic children in Manhattan before 911. In that case anyway which

is the most dramatic example out there -that was not due to lack of

awareness that's for sure! The entire EI staff was and is fully

knowledgeable about apraxia due to Dr. Agin. In fact the entire NYC

tristate area is pretty up in general on apraxia.

(back then Children's Apraxia Network and CHERAB had huge meetings)

And it wasn't just the doctors. If you check the archives we had

more than one example of producers in NYC before 911 looking to

interview families in NYC (Manhattan)because it's cheaper and easier

for them, and instead they always ended up going to NJ. Don't get

me wrong there are apraxic children in Long Island and Westchester

and all the surrounding boroughs of Manhattan -just not in Manhattan

for some reason back then. Lack of soil for it to spread that way

perhaps?

And for those that don't know -parts of NJ are literally minutes

away (given a time there is no traffic that is) over a bridge or

through a tunnel from Manhattan.

I checked the EPA where I live even before I moved, and it's no

comparison clean to where I moved from. Also where I live now in

addition to Tanner being the only apraxic child in any school he has

gone to (which is just so weird!) in most cases I have to drive an

hour or more to find another one! Florida may be toxic in

parts,,,but Florida is a huge state. The Miami or Boca area and

Tampa area appear to be higher for example in numbers of apraxic

children than where I am on the Treasure Coast or the Panhandle

areas both where our numbers are few to none. I remember I was

speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not.

And runs Florida support in Vero and her daughter has

global apraxia..but we have other than no members there and

yet another example of someone from a " low " area where the ProEFA

doesn't seem to work.

I spoke to someone who works in soil for the state of Florida and

told him I'd love to have soil testing comparison in different areas

depending on number of apraxic children. Anyway I notice strange

things that most don't notice. You can read one of them like the

clearing of the throat thing in theaters in the following archive

from 2005 that addressed this very same topic. Toxic Florida. I

guess that's why it feels like home it me. Perhaps Florida today is

like NJ was when I was a little girl! (and not for nothing but the

planet's just not that big. Eventually there will be no way to move

away from it unless you are away from all civilization...and

rain...maybe in North Dakota or something (I can kid because there's

nobody here from there right?)

Re: Fwd: Envirnmental Working Group profile

It doesn't say but I'm guessing this is posted in response to

" Palm Beach Post News Toxins and Cord blood "

/message/4129

1

I was going to comment on that article as well since of all areas of

the country it was about the about the high amounts of 'toxins' found

in children from all the farmland here in... Florida! (it was sent to

me private as well but I didn't post it)

I live on the waterways of the Treasure Coast of Florida now where

Tropicana and other citrus farmers have run off chemicals coming

through the waterways. And yet...tons of fish here, the people that

live near me -virtually no apraxic children -and as of yet have not

met any with autism either. If you ask those that grew up here " Who

do you know with cancer? " (yes I'm the type of person that asks

stuff like this) I get after a few moments where they stop and think

about it " I'm not sure if I know anyone with cancer. I have to

think about that. " If you are from New Jersey, how many of you can

say that? Yes NJ 'was' known as the " Garden State " (or is? still?)

but that was probably before there was a factory on every corner.

Also I noticed something else I've pointed out to a few doctors.

When you go to the movies or a play you always hit a dead spot where

all is quiet for a few seconds at least. In NJ and NY where I used

to live in both states -you'd always hear at least a few people

during this quiet period either clearing their throats or coughing.

Here (before the hurricanes) quiet.

So if the babies here have tons of pesticides in their umbilical

cords -perhaps it's some type of apraxia prevention. (just kidding I

think)

As far as vested interest, it's harder to find any studies

completely void of any vested interest. This is why it is wise to

examine all sides to find the truth.

As one wise toy inventor always said to me " the proof is in the

pudding "

And.. I'll take pesticides over toxic black NJ ooze bird killer

anyday! (from

where I moved 'from' thank God)

http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park's%20soil%

20is%20highly%20toxic.pdf

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You mentioned Ohio as a hot spot too.... any specific part? We're in

Ohio between Cincinnati and Dayton. I havent' done much networking in

regards to apraxia groups, but as a normal course of things I don't

know anyone else with Apraxia or Autism. But I know Cincinnati

especially always ends up really high on the most unhealthy city's to

live in survey.

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" If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

pregnant? "

No, we didn't, because my in-laws had just moved from Montclair, NJ to

the Reading, PA area that very year. So, perhaps there is not a

connection, but it does seem to be a tantalyzing coincidence, doesn't

it, given everything else?

When we went to our initial visit with Dr. Hyman, our

Developmental Pediatrician (who rocks, by the way!), she confirmed the

apraxia suspicion and basically told us to seek support online because

there was not a significant enough population in our area to support a

local group as of yet (I am paraphrasing here). She told us that

apraxia was not a very common diagnosis in our area.

Very interesting. Thank you for your reply, ! I am glad that the

storm in Florida is much less than what was expected.

Warm regards,

******************

(Rochester, NY)

Mom to , 3.2 years, Verbal Apraxia

& , 1 year

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Subject: [ ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm ...

If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

pregnant? The following clip is from an archive (I put the entire

post below) for those who believe that the numbers are higher in

certain areas due to awareness. I'm starting to come to the

conclusion that the reason there may be two distinct schools of

thought on apraxia today is because the other group is located in

Pittsburgh -where I've heard there are very few members -(even

though some would believe there are tons of kids there) and...our

group was started in New Apraxia, I mean Jersey.

And for those who have not read this

http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html

<http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html>

Anyway -let us know where you were while pregnant!

" I was speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida

and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not. "

From

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Re: does anyone else like to blame vaccines and other environmental

Hey Joanne!

The awareness thing only runs true at times in the explanation of

diagnosis of apraxia and why certain areas are higher or lower. My

co author of The Late Talker is neurodevelopmental pediatrician in

private practice in NYC (and medical director for NYC Early

Intervention for NYC) and she too could not explain the lack of

apraxic children in Manhattan before 911. In that case anyway which

is the most dramatic example out there -that was not due to lack of

awareness that's for sure! The entire EI staff was and is fully

knowledgeable about apraxia due to Dr. Agin. In fact the entire NYC

tristate area is pretty up in general on apraxia.

(back then Children's Apraxia Network and CHERAB had huge meetings)

And it wasn't just the doctors. If you check the archives we had

more than one example of producers in NYC before 911 looking to

interview families in NYC (Manhattan)because it's cheaper and easier

for them, and instead they always ended up going to NJ. Don't get

me wrong there are apraxic children in Long Island and Westchester

and all the surrounding boroughs of Manhattan -just not in Manhattan

for some reason back then. Lack of soil for it to spread that way

perhaps?

And for those that don't know -parts of NJ are literally minutes

away (given a time there is no traffic that is) over a bridge or

through a tunnel from Manhattan.

I checked the EPA where I live even before I moved, and it's no

comparison clean to where I moved from. Also where I live now in

addition to Tanner being the only apraxic child in any school he has

gone to (which is just so weird!) in most cases I have to drive an

hour or more to find another one! Florida may be toxic in

parts,,,but Florida is a huge state. The Miami or Boca area and

Tampa area appear to be higher for example in numbers of apraxic

children than where I am on the Treasure Coast or the Panhandle

areas both where our numbers are few to none. I remember I was

speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida and

told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not.

And runs Florida support in Vero and her daughter has

global apraxia..but we have other than no members there and

yet another example of someone from a " low " area where the ProEFA

doesn't seem to work.

I spoke to someone who works in soil for the state of Florida and

told him I'd love to have soil testing comparison in different areas

depending on number of apraxic children. Anyway I notice strange

things that most don't notice. You can read one of them like the

clearing of the throat thing in theaters in the following archive

from 2005 that addressed this very same topic. Toxic Florida. I

guess that's why it feels like home it me. Perhaps Florida today is

like NJ was when I was a little girl! (and not for nothing but the

planet's just not that big. Eventually there will be no way to move

away from it unless you are away from all civilization...and

rain...maybe in North Dakota or something (I can kid because there's

nobody here from there right?)

Re: Fwd: Envirnmental Working Group profile

It doesn't say but I'm guessing this is posted in response to

" Palm Beach Post News Toxins and Cord blood "

/message/4129

< /message/4129>

1

I was going to comment on that article as well since of all areas of

the country it was about the about the high amounts of 'toxins' found

in children from all the farmland here in... Florida! (it was sent to

me private as well but I didn't post it)

I live on the waterways of the Treasure Coast of Florida now where

Tropicana and other citrus farmers have run off chemicals coming

through the waterways. And yet...tons of fish here, the people that

live near me -virtually no apraxic children -and as of yet have not

met any with autism either. If you ask those that grew up here " Who

do you know with cancer? " (yes I'm the type of person that asks

stuff like this) I get after a few moments where they stop and think

about it " I'm not sure if I know anyone with cancer. I have to

think about that. " If you are from New Jersey, how many of you can

say that? Yes NJ 'was' known as the " Garden State " (or is? still?)

but that was probably before there was a factory on every corner.

Also I noticed something else I've pointed out to a few doctors.

When you go to the movies or a play you always hit a dead spot where

all is quiet for a few seconds at least. In NJ and NY where I used

to live in both states -you'd always hear at least a few people

during this quiet period either clearing their throats or coughing.

Here (before the hurricanes) quiet.

So if the babies here have tons of pesticides in their umbilical

cords -perhaps it's some type of apraxia prevention. (just kidding I

think)

As far as vested interest, it's harder to find any studies

completely void of any vested interest. This is why it is wise to

examine all sides to find the truth.

As one wise toy inventor always said to me " the proof is in the

pudding "

And.. I'll take pesticides over toxic black NJ ooze bird killer

anyday! (from

where I moved 'from' thank God)

http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park

<http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park> 's%20soil%

20is%20highly%20toxic.pdf

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It would be great to get a stats thing going. Problem has been that

most of the people who have children that do surge on the EFAs

(since the surge is so quick) move on.

(from an archive I've sent out for years)

" The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either...

Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

on it "

Just a few stick around to continue to help, because we remember

what it's like to not have anyone around to help and appreciate

anyone that was there...

As far as the active group here, outside of those few that are here to

help including those like myself who have children that

have mainly overcome and various professionals -most of the rest are

newbies, or those who have children that didn't respond to EFAs...

Or parents of kids that are more impaired.

If there is a way to work with those that run support groups or

professionals in each state that could be a more accurate way of

knowing -not sure. Back when we had in person support groups that's

when I got to see things. Or we continue to ask people where they

live when they post. Work with SLPs in each state?..suggestions?

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We're in Texas, though my daughter was not a real responder to EFAs. I

give them to her still, since her bloodwork showed she was low. She

responded much more to liposomal glutathione and carnaware.

>

> My severly apraxic son was born in TX! You should probably due a

stats test

> on this site...

>

>

>

> " kiddietalk "

> <kiddietalk@...> To:

> Sent by: cc:

> @yaho Subject:

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> ogroups.com

>

>

> 08/30/2006 01:24 PM

> Please respond to

>

>

>

>

>

>

> If your husband's family is from Jersey -did you visit there while

> pregnant? The following clip is from an archive (I put the entire

> post below) for those who believe that the numbers are higher in

> certain areas due to awareness. I'm starting to come to the

> conclusion that the reason there may be two distinct schools of

> thought on apraxia today is because the other group is located in

> Pittsburgh -where I've heard there are very few members -(even

> though some would believe there are tons of kids there) and...our

> group was started in New Apraxia, I mean Jersey.

> And for those who have not read this

http://www.cherab.org/news/Save.html

>

> Anyway -let us know where you were while pregnant!

>

> " I was speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida

> and

> told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

> probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

> chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

> areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

> in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

> Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

> with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

> Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not. "

>

> From

> /message/49314

>

> Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:09 pm

> " kiddietalk " kiddietalk@...

> Re: does anyone else like to blame vaccines and other environmental

>

>

> Hey Joanne!

>

> The awareness thing only runs true at times in the explanation of

> diagnosis of apraxia and why certain areas are higher or lower. My

> co author of The Late Talker is neurodevelopmental pediatrician in

> private practice in NYC (and medical director for NYC Early

> Intervention for NYC) and she too could not explain the lack of

> apraxic children in Manhattan before 911. In that case anyway which

> is the most dramatic example out there -that was not due to lack of

> awareness that's for sure! The entire EI staff was and is fully

> knowledgeable about apraxia due to Dr. Agin. In fact the entire NYC

> tristate area is pretty up in general on apraxia.

> (back then Children's Apraxia Network and CHERAB had huge meetings)

>

> And it wasn't just the doctors. If you check the archives we had

> more than one example of producers in NYC before 911 looking to

> interview families in NYC (Manhattan)because it's cheaper and easier

> for them, and instead they always ended up going to NJ. Don't get

> me wrong there are apraxic children in Long Island and Westchester

> and all the surrounding boroughs of Manhattan -just not in Manhattan

> for some reason back then. Lack of soil for it to spread that way

> perhaps?

> And for those that don't know -parts of NJ are literally minutes

> away (given a time there is no traffic that is) over a bridge or

> through a tunnel from Manhattan.

>

> I checked the EPA where I live even before I moved, and it's no

> comparison clean to where I moved from. Also where I live now in

> addition to Tanner being the only apraxic child in any school he has

> gone to (which is just so weird!) in most cases I have to drive an

> hour or more to find another one! Florida may be toxic in

> parts,,,but Florida is a huge state. The Miami or Boca area and

> Tampa area appear to be higher for example in numbers of apraxic

> children than where I am on the Treasure Coast or the Panhandle

> areas both where our numbers are few to none. I remember I was

> speaking once to a Mother from the Panhandle area of Florida and

> told her not to get her hopes up too much about ProEFA because it

> probably won't work since in areas where our numbers are low the

> chance of it working isn't that great. I told her about the cluster

> areas in states like NJ, Ohio, Texas, California..and she cut me off

> in shock. Her other children were fine but she lived in the

> Panhandle for those pregnancies. However while she was pregnant

> with her apraxic child she stayed with her Mother who had cancer in

> Texas to take care of her. Coincidence? I'd say not.

>

> And runs Florida support in Vero and her daughter has

> global apraxia..but we have other than no members there and

> yet another example of someone from a " low " area where the ProEFA

> doesn't seem to work.

>

> I spoke to someone who works in soil for the state of Florida and

> told him I'd love to have soil testing comparison in different areas

> depending on number of apraxic children. Anyway I notice strange

> things that most don't notice. You can read one of them like the

> clearing of the throat thing in theaters in the following archive

> from 2005 that addressed this very same topic. Toxic Florida. I

> guess that's why it feels like home it me. Perhaps Florida today is

> like NJ was when I was a little girl! (and not for nothing but the

> planet's just not that big. Eventually there will be no way to move

> away from it unless you are away from all civilization...and

> rain...maybe in North Dakota or something (I can kid because there's

> nobody here from there right?)

>

> Re: Fwd: Envirnmental Working Group profile

>

>

> It doesn't say but I'm guessing this is posted in response to

> " Palm Beach Post News Toxins and Cord blood "

> /message/4129

> 1

>

> I was going to comment on that article as well since of all areas of

> the country it was about the about the high amounts of 'toxins' found

> in children from all the farmland here in... Florida! (it was sent to

> me private as well but I didn't post it)

>

> I live on the waterways of the Treasure Coast of Florida now where

> Tropicana and other citrus farmers have run off chemicals coming

> through the waterways. And yet...tons of fish here, the people that

> live near me -virtually no apraxic children -and as of yet have not

> met any with autism either. If you ask those that grew up here " Who

> do you know with cancer? " (yes I'm the type of person that asks

> stuff like this) I get after a few moments where they stop and think

> about it " I'm not sure if I know anyone with cancer. I have to

> think about that. " If you are from New Jersey, how many of you can

> say that? Yes NJ 'was' known as the " Garden State " (or is? still?)

> but that was probably before there was a factory on every corner.

>

> Also I noticed something else I've pointed out to a few doctors.

> When you go to the movies or a play you always hit a dead spot where

> all is quiet for a few seconds at least. In NJ and NY where I used

> to live in both states -you'd always hear at least a few people

> during this quiet period either clearing their throats or coughing.

> Here (before the hurricanes) quiet.

>

> So if the babies here have tons of pesticides in their umbilical

> cords -perhaps it's some type of apraxia prevention. (just kidding I

> think)

>

> As far as vested interest, it's harder to find any studies

> completely void of any vested interest. This is why it is wise to

> examine all sides to find the truth.

>

> As one wise toy inventor always said to me " the proof is in the

> pudding "

>

> And.. I'll take pesticides over toxic black NJ ooze bird killer

> anyday! (from

> where I moved 'from' thank God)

> http://www.eohsi.rutgers.edu/pdf/Tony%20Sclafani%20-%20Park's%20soil%

> 20is%20highly%20toxic.pdf

>

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You mentioned Ohio as a hot spot too.... any specific part? We're in

Ohio between Cincinnati and Dayton. I havent' done much networking in

regards to apraxia groups, but as a normal course of things I don't

know anyone else with Apraxia or Autism. But I know Cincinnati

especially always ends up really high on the most unhealthy city's to

live in survey.

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It would be great to get a stats thing going. Problem has been that

most of the people who have children that do surge on the EFAs

(since the surge is so quick) move on.

(from an archive I've sent out for years)

" The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either...

Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

on it "

Just a few stick around to continue to help, because we remember

what it's like to not have anyone around to help and appreciate

anyone that was there...

As far as the active group here, outside of those few that are here to

help including those like myself who have children that

have mainly overcome and various professionals -most of the rest are

newbies, or those who have children that didn't respond to EFAs...

Or parents of kids that are more impaired.

If there is a way to work with those that run support groups or

professionals in each state that could be a more accurate way of

knowing -not sure. Back when we had in person support groups that's

when I got to see things. Or we continue to ask people where they

live when they post. Work with SLPs in each state?..suggestions?

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Perhaps town/city and state could be requested from each new member when

they join the listserv, at the very least.

" The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either.. "

This is very true. At a recent EI team meeting, our SLP made the

comment that, " doesn't really present as an apraxic child any

longer in many ways. She can imitate speech and her intelligibility is

really quite good. " Our Developmental Pediatrician made a similar

comment a few weeks ago. We are floored.

" Just a few stick around to continue to help, because we remember

what it's like to not have anyone around to help and appreciate

anyone that was there... "

I am grateful for that. I see apraxia as a manageable condition. I

pray every day that will have no residual problems. I guess

only time will tell, as her speech is still emerging and she is so

young. But this whole struggle has changed me. I am compelled to stick

around and although I am not an expert, I do feel experienced in the

" trenches " already. I also pray every day that my 13 month old is not

affected. She is saying some words, pointing and generally, really

" plugged in, " so I am encouraged. But gosh, I worry every day about

that.

Warm regards,

******************

(Rochester, NY)

Mom to , 3.2 years, Verbal Apraxia

& , 1 year

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It would be great to get a stats thing going. Problem has been that

most of the people who have children that do surge on the EFAs

(since the surge is so quick) move on.

(from an archive I've sent out for years)

" The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either...

Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

on it "

Just a few stick around to continue to help, because we remember

what it's like to not have anyone around to help and appreciate

anyone that was there...

As far as the active group here, outside of those few that are here to

help including those like myself who have children that

have mainly overcome and various professionals -most of the rest are

newbies, or those who have children that didn't respond to EFAs...

Or parents of kids that are more impaired.

If there is a way to work with those that run support groups or

professionals in each state that could be a more accurate way of

knowing -not sure. Back when we had in person support groups that's

when I got to see things. Or we continue to ask people where they

live when they post. Work with SLPs in each state?..suggestions?

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Perhaps town/city and state could be requested from each new member when

they join the listserv, at the very least.

" The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either.. "

This is very true. At a recent EI team meeting, our SLP made the

comment that, " doesn't really present as an apraxic child any

longer in many ways. She can imitate speech and her intelligibility is

really quite good. " Our Developmental Pediatrician made a similar

comment a few weeks ago. We are floored.

" Just a few stick around to continue to help, because we remember

what it's like to not have anyone around to help and appreciate

anyone that was there... "

I am grateful for that. I see apraxia as a manageable condition. I

pray every day that will have no residual problems. I guess

only time will tell, as her speech is still emerging and she is so

young. But this whole struggle has changed me. I am compelled to stick

around and although I am not an expert, I do feel experienced in the

" trenches " already. I also pray every day that my 13 month old is not

affected. She is saying some words, pointing and generally, really

" plugged in, " so I am encouraged. But gosh, I worry every day about

that.

Warm regards,

******************

(Rochester, NY)

Mom to , 3.2 years, Verbal Apraxia

& , 1 year

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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:13 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm ...

It would be great to get a stats thing going. Problem has been that

most of the people who have children that do surge on the EFAs

(since the surge is so quick) move on.

(from an archive I've sent out for years)

" The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either...

Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

on it "

Just a few stick around to continue to help, because we remember

what it's like to not have anyone around to help and appreciate

anyone that was there...

As far as the active group here, outside of those few that are here to

help including those like myself who have children that

have mainly overcome and various professionals -most of the rest are

newbies, or those who have children that didn't respond to EFAs...

Or parents of kids that are more impaired.

If there is a way to work with those that run support groups or

professionals in each state that could be a more accurate way of

knowing -not sure. Back when we had in person support groups that's

when I got to see things. Or we continue to ask people where they

live when they post. Work with SLPs in each state?..suggestions?

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We're South of Akron/Cleveland, OH and we have a VERY LARGE group of

apraxia/autism cases here. In our dist, in 1 class there are 4

apraxia cases and 3 autistic. In the next dist., they've gotten a

grant for the large amount of autistic kids in their school.

We're surrounded by farms & factories. Don't know which it would

come from.

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We're South of Akron/Cleveland, OH and we have a VERY LARGE group of

apraxia/autism cases here. In our dist, in 1 class there are 4

apraxia cases and 3 autistic. In the next dist., they've gotten a

grant for the large amount of autistic kids in their school.

We're surrounded by farms & factories. Don't know which it would

come from.

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> > " The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no

longer

> fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

> doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

> either.. "

>

> This is very true. At a recent EI team meeting, our SLP made the

> comment that, " doesn't really present as an apraxic child

any

> longer in many ways. She can imitate speech and her

intelligibility

is

> really quite good. " Our Developmental Pediatrician made a similar

> comment a few weeks ago. We are floored. "

This is happening to us too!!!!! My son is 2.6 (30 months) and both

his speech therapist and the director of the center think he

might " test out " and not qualify for services with the school

district when he turns 3. They are also really reluctant to

actually label him as apraxic because he has progressed so much so

fast and now presents as a kid with a mild to moderate phonological

disorder.

From barely a dozen " words " at two along with classic oral apraxia

(couldn't blow, lick, pucker, do rasberries etc.), he now is at

above age level both in language and cognitively. He does still

have significant articulation problems and some oral motor issues,

but kids in our district don't normally qualify for services based

on that alone. We are looking at a private preschool and private

speech therapy for him after he is 3. I credit the fish oil for

most of this (along with a great therapist and lots of homework).

We started him on 1 capsule of ProEFA a day at 22 months and added a

2nd capsule at 27 months. I'm now trying to decide whether to add 1

ProEPA or go with the Vitamin E instead.

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> > " The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no

longer

> fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

> doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

> either.. "

>

> This is very true. At a recent EI team meeting, our SLP made the

> comment that, " doesn't really present as an apraxic child

any

> longer in many ways. She can imitate speech and her

intelligibility

is

> really quite good. " Our Developmental Pediatrician made a similar

> comment a few weeks ago. We are floored. "

This is happening to us too!!!!! My son is 2.6 (30 months) and both

his speech therapist and the director of the center think he

might " test out " and not qualify for services with the school

district when he turns 3. They are also really reluctant to

actually label him as apraxic because he has progressed so much so

fast and now presents as a kid with a mild to moderate phonological

disorder.

From barely a dozen " words " at two along with classic oral apraxia

(couldn't blow, lick, pucker, do rasberries etc.), he now is at

above age level both in language and cognitively. He does still

have significant articulation problems and some oral motor issues,

but kids in our district don't normally qualify for services based

on that alone. We are looking at a private preschool and private

speech therapy for him after he is 3. I credit the fish oil for

most of this (along with a great therapist and lots of homework).

We started him on 1 capsule of ProEFA a day at 22 months and added a

2nd capsule at 27 months. I'm now trying to decide whether to add 1

ProEPA or go with the Vitamin E instead.

(Max's Mom)

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We are having the same experience. My son was barely verbal at 24

mos (da da) and could not blow or move his tongue on command. Now

he can blow bubbles, blow a horn, move his tongue laterally and up.

He can say many words now and tries to immitate everything he hears

(dangerous!;) ) He has even learned to approximate armadillo! (ah

ma di LO) FOUR syllables, yippee!! His speech therapists also say

he doesn't present as apraxic anymore and no one is quite sure

what's going on or how to diagnose him. He's almost 29 mos now and

I have him on 2 Omega 3,6,9 (same as ProEFA) and 1 EPA a day. And

of course I am going to try the vit E next.

> >

> > > " The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no

> longer

> > fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

> > doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

> > either.. "

> >

> > This is very true. At a recent EI team meeting, our SLP made the

> > comment that, " doesn't really present as an apraxic

child

> any

> > longer in many ways. She can imitate speech and her

> intelligibility

> is

> > really quite good. " Our Developmental Pediatrician made a

similar

> > comment a few weeks ago. We are floored. "

>

> This is happening to us too!!!!! My son is 2.6 (30 months) and

both

> his speech therapist and the director of the center think he

> might " test out " and not qualify for services with the school

> district when he turns 3. They are also really reluctant to

> actually label him as apraxic because he has progressed so much so

> fast and now presents as a kid with a mild to moderate

phonological

> disorder.

>

> From barely a dozen " words " at two along with classic oral apraxia

> (couldn't blow, lick, pucker, do rasberries etc.), he now is at

> above age level both in language and cognitively. He does still

> have significant articulation problems and some oral motor issues,

> but kids in our district don't normally qualify for services based

> on that alone. We are looking at a private preschool and private

> speech therapy for him after he is 3. I credit the fish oil for

> most of this (along with a great therapist and lots of homework).

> We started him on 1 capsule of ProEFA a day at 22 months and added

a

> 2nd capsule at 27 months. I'm now trying to decide whether to add

1

> ProEPA or go with the Vitamin E instead.

>

> (Max's Mom)

>

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We are having the same experience. My son was barely verbal at 24

mos (da da) and could not blow or move his tongue on command. Now

he can blow bubbles, blow a horn, move his tongue laterally and up.

He can say many words now and tries to immitate everything he hears

(dangerous!;) ) He has even learned to approximate armadillo! (ah

ma di LO) FOUR syllables, yippee!! His speech therapists also say

he doesn't present as apraxic anymore and no one is quite sure

what's going on or how to diagnose him. He's almost 29 mos now and

I have him on 2 Omega 3,6,9 (same as ProEFA) and 1 EPA a day. And

of course I am going to try the vit E next.

> >

> > > " The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no

> longer

> > fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

> > doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

> > either.. "

> >

> > This is very true. At a recent EI team meeting, our SLP made the

> > comment that, " doesn't really present as an apraxic

child

> any

> > longer in many ways. She can imitate speech and her

> intelligibility

> is

> > really quite good. " Our Developmental Pediatrician made a

similar

> > comment a few weeks ago. We are floored. "

>

> This is happening to us too!!!!! My son is 2.6 (30 months) and

both

> his speech therapist and the director of the center think he

> might " test out " and not qualify for services with the school

> district when he turns 3. They are also really reluctant to

> actually label him as apraxic because he has progressed so much so

> fast and now presents as a kid with a mild to moderate

phonological

> disorder.

>

> From barely a dozen " words " at two along with classic oral apraxia

> (couldn't blow, lick, pucker, do rasberries etc.), he now is at

> above age level both in language and cognitively. He does still

> have significant articulation problems and some oral motor issues,

> but kids in our district don't normally qualify for services based

> on that alone. We are looking at a private preschool and private

> speech therapy for him after he is 3. I credit the fish oil for

> most of this (along with a great therapist and lots of homework).

> We started him on 1 capsule of ProEFA a day at 22 months and added

a

> 2nd capsule at 27 months. I'm now trying to decide whether to add

1

> ProEPA or go with the Vitamin E instead.

>

> (Max's Mom)

>

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How wonderful!

" We started him on 1 capsule of ProEFA a day at 22 months and added a

2nd capsule at 27 months. I'm now trying to decide whether to add 1

ProEPA or go with the Vitamin E instead. "

Why not do both? gets 2 ProEFA/1 ProEPA twice a day (so, 6

capsules) plus 1 vitamin e capsule (400IU d-alpha with d-gamma

mixed-in).

Warm regards,

******************

(Rochester, NY)

Mom to , 3.3 years, Verbal Apraxia

& , 1.1 years (and babbling away!)

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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:42 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm ...

>

> > " The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no

longer

> fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

> doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

> either.. "

>

> This is very true. At a recent EI team meeting, our SLP made the

> comment that, " doesn't really present as an apraxic child

any

> longer in many ways. She can imitate speech and her

intelligibility

is

> really quite good. " Our Developmental Pediatrician made a similar

> comment a few weeks ago. We are floored. "

This is happening to us too!!!!! My son is 2.6 (30 months) and both

his speech therapist and the director of the center think he

might " test out " and not qualify for services with the school

district when he turns 3. They are also really reluctant to

actually label him as apraxic because he has progressed so much so

fast and now presents as a kid with a mild to moderate phonological

disorder.

From barely a dozen " words " at two along with classic oral apraxia

(couldn't blow, lick, pucker, do rasberries etc.), he now is at

above age level both in language and cognitively. He does still

have significant articulation problems and some oral motor issues,

but kids in our district don't normally qualify for services based

on that alone. We are looking at a private preschool and private

speech therapy for him after he is 3. I credit the fish oil for

most of this (along with a great therapist and lots of homework).

We started him on 1 capsule of ProEFA a day at 22 months and added a

2nd capsule at 27 months. I'm now trying to decide whether to add 1

ProEPA or go with the Vitamin E instead.

(Max's Mom)

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" He can say many words now and tries to immitate everything he hears

(dangerous!;) ) "

Dangerous but wonderful! :-) is fond of saying " Shoot! " and

" Stop it! " and " Thank you much! " and " So cute! " Adorable (and we are so

GRATEFUL and THRILLED about it).

" He has even learned to approximate armadillo! (ah

ma di LO) FOUR syllables, yippee!! "

LOVE it! is saying " alligator " and " broccoli " :-).

" His speech therapists also say

he doesn't present as apraxic anymore and no one is quite sure

what's going on or how to diagnose him. "

We are holding the apraxia diagnosis from our Developmental

Pediatrician, as it gets us what we need at this point.

" I have him on 2 Omega 3,6,9 (same as ProEFA) and 1 EPA a day. And

of course I am going to try the vit E next. "

Yep - we do 2 Omega 3-6-9 / 1 EPA twice a day and have just added the E.

Here's to continued improvement for all of our kids!

Warm regards,

******************

(Rochester, NY)

Mom to , 3.3 years, Verbal Apraxia

& , 1.1 years (and babbling away!)

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 12:12 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm ...

We are having the same experience. My son was barely verbal at 24

mos (da da) and could not blow or move his tongue on command. Now

he can blow bubbles, blow a horn, move his tongue laterally and up.

He can say many words now and tries to immitate everything he hears

(dangerous!;) ) He has even learned to approximate armadillo! (ah

ma di LO) FOUR syllables, yippee!! His speech therapists also say

he doesn't present as apraxic anymore and no one is quite sure

what's going on or how to diagnose him. He's almost 29 mos now and

I have him on 2 Omega 3,6,9 (same as ProEFA) and 1 EPA a day. And

of course I am going to try the vit E next.

> >

> > > " The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no

> longer

> > fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

> > doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

> > either.. "

> >

> > This is very true. At a recent EI team meeting, our SLP made the

> > comment that, " doesn't really present as an apraxic

child

> any

> > longer in many ways. She can imitate speech and her

> intelligibility

> is

> > really quite good. " Our Developmental Pediatrician made a

similar

> > comment a few weeks ago. We are floored. "

>

> This is happening to us too!!!!! My son is 2.6 (30 months) and

both

> his speech therapist and the director of the center think he

> might " test out " and not qualify for services with the school

> district when he turns 3. They are also really reluctant to

> actually label him as apraxic because he has progressed so much so

> fast and now presents as a kid with a mild to moderate

phonological

> disorder.

>

> From barely a dozen " words " at two along with classic oral apraxia

> (couldn't blow, lick, pucker, do rasberries etc.), he now is at

> above age level both in language and cognitively. He does still

> have significant articulation problems and some oral motor issues,

> but kids in our district don't normally qualify for services based

> on that alone. We are looking at a private preschool and private

> speech therapy for him after he is 3. I credit the fish oil for

> most of this (along with a great therapist and lots of homework).

> We started him on 1 capsule of ProEFA a day at 22 months and added

a

> 2nd capsule at 27 months. I'm now trying to decide whether to add

1

> ProEPA or go with the Vitamin E instead.

>

> (Max's Mom)

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Yes, why not both? :)

> >

> > > " The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no

> longer

> > fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

> > doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

> > either.. "

> >

> > This is very true. At a recent EI team meeting, our SLP made the

> > comment that, " doesn't really present as an apraxic

child

> any

> > longer in many ways. She can imitate speech and her

> intelligibility

> is

> > really quite good. " Our Developmental Pediatrician made a similar

> > comment a few weeks ago. We are floored. "

>

> This is happening to us too!!!!! My son is 2.6 (30 months) and

both

> his speech therapist and the director of the center think he

> might " test out " and not qualify for services with the school

> district when he turns 3. They are also really reluctant to

> actually label him as apraxic because he has progressed so much so

> fast and now presents as a kid with a mild to moderate

phonological

> disorder.

>

> From barely a dozen " words " at two along with classic oral apraxia

> (couldn't blow, lick, pucker, do rasberries etc.), he now is at

> above age level both in language and cognitively. He does still

> have significant articulation problems and some oral motor issues,

> but kids in our district don't normally qualify for services based

> on that alone. We are looking at a private preschool and private

> speech therapy for him after he is 3. I credit the fish oil for

> most of this (along with a great therapist and lots of homework).

> We started him on 1 capsule of ProEFA a day at 22 months and added

a

> 2nd capsule at 27 months. I'm now trying to decide whether to add

1

> ProEPA or go with the Vitamin E instead.

>

> (Max's Mom)

>

>

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