Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Hello everyone, My name is and I have a 6 year old son with apraxia - speech, fine and grossmotor affected. He has been evaluated twice at Mayo Clinic and receives therapy in the public school here in Rochester. My question is about reading. Jaeden is entering first grade this Fall and is reading at a second grade level. I was at the CASA conference and heard a mom mention how her child " regressed " (developed more difficulty?) when he was in first grade because of the reading approach - I believe it was specifically the phonics method that was detrimental because the child started speaking in " broken " sounds. I seem to remeber that Edythe Strand replied that kids with Apraxia should not be taught reading this way....is that correct? My confusion and concern is that in our schools, the phonics method is taught - what is the recommended approach for Jaeden? And what do we do about him being in the classroom and hearing this instruction? Thanks for any help - you can also email me privately at _kedmonds216@..._ (mailto:kedmonds216@...) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 " I was at the CASA conference and heard a mom mention how her child " regressed " (developed more difficulty?)when he was in first grade because of the reading approach-I believe it was specifically the phonics method that was detrimental because the child started speaking in " broken " sounds. I seem to remember that Edythe Strand replied that kids with Apraxia should not be taught reading this way....is that correct? " that's news to me (and not true!) Tanner in fact did learn to read with the phonic approach as well as multisensory approaches.The awesome Kaufman approach breaks down the words -and breaking down words is how I still teach Tanner today! And if the school uses an approach that doesn't work for your child -you can introduce other methods and encourage the school to do the same.(Proof is in the pudding as they say. Tanner in third grade was tested to be reading on a high fifth grade level -probably higher even now -we play games like MindTrap and The Worst Case Scenerio Survival game where he needs to read the cards -he will be in 4th grade this year) Does Dr. Strand find apraxic children can be better readers than the rest? Does she find that apraxic children can speak best when reading because it helps with motor planning? If so -then I'd like to hear more of what she says -and if not -not interested. I have to run but more below from an archive: Re: reading I agree with Gin on finding reading is helping Tanner with more complex speech. Not only that -I agree that multisensory is the way to go -and do not underestimate our children -they may not just make it -they may excel above " normal " kids if given the chance (and the belief in them) And for good reason. My theory is that because our children don't learn to talk like everyone else -that in contrast to the popular experience that most speech impaired children will have learning disabilities -if treated correctly -our kids may actually in many ways be even better students than most. As a toy inventor -I'm aware of the basics of what most kids like -or are like. There are a few reasons I feel this way -don't have time to go into all of them now. But for one -most of us have found our children have these die hard memories! Not a normal memory for a " normal " child -most kids you can get to forget a point by bringing up something else that interests them -not many of the children in this group! (of course you can never say " always " -just more often than not. Just like the trouble blowing the nose thing that I first brought up -this is yet another observation you will not read about in books...yet) When Tanner learns his spelling words -he not only knows how to spell even hard words -he tells me the word on the list (of ten each week) and then spells it -like his memory is a picture he can just look at. Perhaps -due to using a different pathway and developing such pathway -they have an edge we don't yet understand. I posted awhile back that I found Tanner does best for the day if I have him read a few pages each morning before school -like a warm up. He may start out sounding each word -then once he is one a roll -he's in the groove. Just like an apraxic child with words -with reading it's strange too. Most kids will just read 3 letter words after awhile. Tanner will whiz through difficult words at times like oxygen -and have to sound out a word like " pull " Not every time -but enough to make me take notice. As always -apraxia doesn't make sense in the " norm " -so don't look at our kids and compare. And if you do - notice just as well how they excel over others. I again believe it most important to expose our children to multisensory ways of learning, and keeping their self esteem high. This means not exposing these kids to verbal based IQ or receptive language testing! Here are some notes on Tanner from an archived message. (again Tanner is a straight A student in a mainstreamed accelerated academics first grade class. He is social, has lots of friends - does not get teased for the way he talks. Other children understand he has a (now mild for the most part) speech impairment, (more severe with more complex thoughts) but that he is very bright -and a fun kid. Tanner is on the chess club, soccer team, and he is a cub scout. No more therapy outside of speech -and of course ProEFA/ProEPA and carnosine/carn-aware (the carnosine/carn-aware we do on and off -the " magic fish oil " -all the time and don't miss a day...He's doing that well in school -who knows, maybe it is the " magic fish oil " . funny update -Tanner's teacher asked where she could buy the fish oil we use for her own family (and self) after hearing me talk to some other parents about it who also want to know what we use. Tanner's doing better than some of their children -and I told them how it helps me with my memory.) " Here are some of the ways I help Tanner at home with his school word. I'm sure some of the following examples will apply to any child -even those who don't have any learning disabilities or speech problems. It's just that it's the whole picture. Freeze under pressure -break down the longer the utterance -responds to multisensory techniques...etc. ( just off the top and not in any order ) Tanner's first grade class was given a " mad minute " math test where they were given 2 minutes to answer 29 math questions both subtraction and addition -stuff ranging from 7 + 7 to 11 - 4. Tanner is a whiz at math -I believe from the Nintendo games and other computer games such as that they are educational he's learned much like that in a fun way. But...the first time he was given the test he mixed up the subtraction and addition signs which he never does -and got even some easy math questions wrong. When he came home I just said to him in a really fun animated way (since this was the first sign of any problem at all) " Tanner -they time you because we live in Florida now near the Nickelodeon Studios in Orlando -and just in case we go on Family Double Dare you are going to have to answer all these questions fast or we'll all get " SLIMED! " (I said wrinkling up my nose and laughing) BUT -if you get them all right we'll win really cool prizes! Either way it's just for fun! " Well the next day the test was given again to the class and Tanner not only got 100% but was the first one finished! Tanner gets 100% on spelling each week, no matter how difficult the spelling words are. I found the best way to teach him the words is to use multisensory fun ways. This is just two of them -I'll write the letters on his back as he says them for each word...but if he says the wrong letter I don't write it....play game show where we take turns being the contestant and game show host -jumping up and down etc. Either Glenn, Dakota or I are the ones who get the answers spelled wrong (we change our voices and pretend we are someone else. We'll sound out the word wrong and spell it wrong. I try to think of how a speech impaired child will say the word and spell it that way) and Tanner is always the one that is the contestant to spell it right. If Tanner is the game show host -one of us will get it right -but the first one will get it wrong. Tanner always laughs and has to correct us. For the one that won - he'll have to say what prize they won. We also do " teacher " where I'm the student and he teaches me the words -warns me about the silent letters -etc. I found that even though Tanner will spell each word right if given one at a time -if he has to put the words in a sentence -he broke down and spelled words he knows wrong. Once I told him to think of each word separate - " think game show " -he spells them right. When Tanner is reading long more complex words such as for example last night -circulatory (he's learning about blood cells now) he needs a cue to break it down. For example on his own last night when I said " Just break it down Tanner and think of it as four words " Tanner picked up a Jimmy Neutron Mc's toy and for each syllable he said -as he said it -he turned the toy's head. Sometimes his apraxia gets in the way of reading certain words at first. He'll read the word and say the last sound wrong -or the middle sound wrong. I'll correct him and point to the missed letter. He'll repeat the word and hesitate at the letter in question -visibly trying hard to say it right -but again say it wrong. We'll go over this a few times until I clap my hands -or give him some other cue to break it down. Once he says it right - I'll have him repeat it over and over at least three times. I'll then say the word about ten times over and over until he says " All right already! " and then we'll move on. If when we get to the word again he hesitates -I just have to clap or give a cue and he says " Oh yeah " and says it right very quickly. Then he just gets it on his own. Anyone else? " Lynn -as far as how do you teach a nonverbal child to read...I would do all the same as above. You may want to read up on Helen Keller. My son was schooled in preschool in an oral based school for the hearing impaired/deaf. You don't have to talk to be able to read. " I knew then that 'w-a-t-e-r' meant the wonderful cool something that was flowing over my hand. That living word awakened my soul, gave it light, hope, joy, set it free! " Helen Keller 1880-1968 American writer and lecturer http://www.theglassceiling.com/biographies/bio20.htm ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 " I was at the CASA conference and heard a mom mention how her child " regressed " (developed more difficulty?)when he was in first grade because of the reading approach-I believe it was specifically the phonics method that was detrimental because the child started speaking in " broken " sounds. I seem to remember that Edythe Strand replied that kids with Apraxia should not be taught reading this way....is that correct? " that's news to me (and not true!) Tanner in fact did learn to read with the phonic approach as well as multisensory approaches.The awesome Kaufman approach breaks down the words -and breaking down words is how I still teach Tanner today! And if the school uses an approach that doesn't work for your child -you can introduce other methods and encourage the school to do the same.(Proof is in the pudding as they say. Tanner in third grade was tested to be reading on a high fifth grade level -probably higher even now -we play games like MindTrap and The Worst Case Scenerio Survival game where he needs to read the cards -he will be in 4th grade this year) Does Dr. Strand find apraxic children can be better readers than the rest? Does she find that apraxic children can speak best when reading because it helps with motor planning? If so -then I'd like to hear more of what she says -and if not -not interested. I have to run but more below from an archive: Re: reading I agree with Gin on finding reading is helping Tanner with more complex speech. Not only that -I agree that multisensory is the way to go -and do not underestimate our children -they may not just make it -they may excel above " normal " kids if given the chance (and the belief in them) And for good reason. My theory is that because our children don't learn to talk like everyone else -that in contrast to the popular experience that most speech impaired children will have learning disabilities -if treated correctly -our kids may actually in many ways be even better students than most. As a toy inventor -I'm aware of the basics of what most kids like -or are like. There are a few reasons I feel this way -don't have time to go into all of them now. But for one -most of us have found our children have these die hard memories! Not a normal memory for a " normal " child -most kids you can get to forget a point by bringing up something else that interests them -not many of the children in this group! (of course you can never say " always " -just more often than not. Just like the trouble blowing the nose thing that I first brought up -this is yet another observation you will not read about in books...yet) When Tanner learns his spelling words -he not only knows how to spell even hard words -he tells me the word on the list (of ten each week) and then spells it -like his memory is a picture he can just look at. Perhaps -due to using a different pathway and developing such pathway -they have an edge we don't yet understand. I posted awhile back that I found Tanner does best for the day if I have him read a few pages each morning before school -like a warm up. He may start out sounding each word -then once he is one a roll -he's in the groove. Just like an apraxic child with words -with reading it's strange too. Most kids will just read 3 letter words after awhile. Tanner will whiz through difficult words at times like oxygen -and have to sound out a word like " pull " Not every time -but enough to make me take notice. As always -apraxia doesn't make sense in the " norm " -so don't look at our kids and compare. And if you do - notice just as well how they excel over others. I again believe it most important to expose our children to multisensory ways of learning, and keeping their self esteem high. This means not exposing these kids to verbal based IQ or receptive language testing! Here are some notes on Tanner from an archived message. (again Tanner is a straight A student in a mainstreamed accelerated academics first grade class. He is social, has lots of friends - does not get teased for the way he talks. Other children understand he has a (now mild for the most part) speech impairment, (more severe with more complex thoughts) but that he is very bright -and a fun kid. Tanner is on the chess club, soccer team, and he is a cub scout. No more therapy outside of speech -and of course ProEFA/ProEPA and carnosine/carn-aware (the carnosine/carn-aware we do on and off -the " magic fish oil " -all the time and don't miss a day...He's doing that well in school -who knows, maybe it is the " magic fish oil " . funny update -Tanner's teacher asked where she could buy the fish oil we use for her own family (and self) after hearing me talk to some other parents about it who also want to know what we use. Tanner's doing better than some of their children -and I told them how it helps me with my memory.) " Here are some of the ways I help Tanner at home with his school word. I'm sure some of the following examples will apply to any child -even those who don't have any learning disabilities or speech problems. It's just that it's the whole picture. Freeze under pressure -break down the longer the utterance -responds to multisensory techniques...etc. ( just off the top and not in any order ) Tanner's first grade class was given a " mad minute " math test where they were given 2 minutes to answer 29 math questions both subtraction and addition -stuff ranging from 7 + 7 to 11 - 4. Tanner is a whiz at math -I believe from the Nintendo games and other computer games such as that they are educational he's learned much like that in a fun way. But...the first time he was given the test he mixed up the subtraction and addition signs which he never does -and got even some easy math questions wrong. When he came home I just said to him in a really fun animated way (since this was the first sign of any problem at all) " Tanner -they time you because we live in Florida now near the Nickelodeon Studios in Orlando -and just in case we go on Family Double Dare you are going to have to answer all these questions fast or we'll all get " SLIMED! " (I said wrinkling up my nose and laughing) BUT -if you get them all right we'll win really cool prizes! Either way it's just for fun! " Well the next day the test was given again to the class and Tanner not only got 100% but was the first one finished! Tanner gets 100% on spelling each week, no matter how difficult the spelling words are. I found the best way to teach him the words is to use multisensory fun ways. This is just two of them -I'll write the letters on his back as he says them for each word...but if he says the wrong letter I don't write it....play game show where we take turns being the contestant and game show host -jumping up and down etc. Either Glenn, Dakota or I are the ones who get the answers spelled wrong (we change our voices and pretend we are someone else. We'll sound out the word wrong and spell it wrong. I try to think of how a speech impaired child will say the word and spell it that way) and Tanner is always the one that is the contestant to spell it right. If Tanner is the game show host -one of us will get it right -but the first one will get it wrong. Tanner always laughs and has to correct us. For the one that won - he'll have to say what prize they won. We also do " teacher " where I'm the student and he teaches me the words -warns me about the silent letters -etc. I found that even though Tanner will spell each word right if given one at a time -if he has to put the words in a sentence -he broke down and spelled words he knows wrong. Once I told him to think of each word separate - " think game show " -he spells them right. When Tanner is reading long more complex words such as for example last night -circulatory (he's learning about blood cells now) he needs a cue to break it down. For example on his own last night when I said " Just break it down Tanner and think of it as four words " Tanner picked up a Jimmy Neutron Mc's toy and for each syllable he said -as he said it -he turned the toy's head. Sometimes his apraxia gets in the way of reading certain words at first. He'll read the word and say the last sound wrong -or the middle sound wrong. I'll correct him and point to the missed letter. He'll repeat the word and hesitate at the letter in question -visibly trying hard to say it right -but again say it wrong. We'll go over this a few times until I clap my hands -or give him some other cue to break it down. Once he says it right - I'll have him repeat it over and over at least three times. I'll then say the word about ten times over and over until he says " All right already! " and then we'll move on. If when we get to the word again he hesitates -I just have to clap or give a cue and he says " Oh yeah " and says it right very quickly. Then he just gets it on his own. Anyone else? " Lynn -as far as how do you teach a nonverbal child to read...I would do all the same as above. You may want to read up on Helen Keller. My son was schooled in preschool in an oral based school for the hearing impaired/deaf. You don't have to talk to be able to read. " I knew then that 'w-a-t-e-r' meant the wonderful cool something that was flowing over my hand. That living word awakened my soul, gave it light, hope, joy, set it free! " Helen Keller 1880-1968 American writer and lecturer http://www.theglassceiling.com/biographies/bio20.htm ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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