Re: Vaccinating an Unvaxxed 5 y.o.

[Guest guest]

Yes they can regress after 5, happens all the time. If you have

concerns by no means do a combination vaccine. You can get a mercury

free tetanus. Separate them if you feel more comfortable. You can opt

out of all if you so choose.

Dr. Cave has a book just for this topic, on how to separate

vaccines, what supplements to give your child for several days prior

to vaccination if you choose to vaccinate.

>

> Hello,

>

> I am just curious.

>

> I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

> reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

>

> I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then,

possibly

> vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so

didn't.

>

> By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her

speech,

> and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

>

> She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She

is

> wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All

done

> in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

> other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

> reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

>

> With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

> speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

>

> Everything tells me not to do this...

>

> But, every Dr's visit is a power

> struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

> push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

> diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

>

> I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

> Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

>

> I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

> all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless

they

> are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

>

> So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get

her

> started on Polio.... So confudes...

>

> What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has

made

> such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to

regress

> even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

> myself, either?

>

> Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

>

> Thanks,

> Aubrey

>

[Guest guest]

The austism regression usually occurs before age 3, so you should be OK from

that standpoint. You don't have to get the shots all at the same time. The

most important are DPT and polio. Hep B is not really an issue until

adolescence or older in higher risk groups (ie blood and sexually

transmitted - just given in childhood because that's when the kids are being

seeing regularly from a public health standpoint). It will take several more

visits to the Dr. to separate the shots, but usually the offices will allow

you to just come in for a vaccine and not need an appt.

If your child is having GI issues, vomiting and diarrhea for weeks - has she

been seen by a good allergist and worked up for food allergies? Or celiac

disease (a simple blood test...1:125 people of European ancestry have

celiac, and it is often undiagnosed). Does your child have allergies, asthma

and/or eczema? Food allergies and celiac can cause malabsorption of key

vitamins (like Vitamin E and B12) that could lead to neurological sequalae

including delayed speech. I would look into the gut issues. Diarrhea and

puking for weeks? Did you see a gastrointestinal specialist? (Not that they

are always helpful...some don't " believe " in food allergies and gut issues).

But this is NOT normal. If allergies are the cause,and you eliminate the

offending food (usually mutiple foods) - many of your child's symptoms will

resolve. You should talk to your pediatrician, and strongly consider

supplements. Google celiac disease as well as eosinophilic gastritis

(basically allergic gut). See if the symptoms sound familiar. Also keep a

daily log of foods eaten and symptoms. A pain to do, but very helpful in

figuring out the food item of concern.

Milk, wheat and soy are the most common culprets - the reason many children

do well on gluten free/casein free diet...so many undiagnosed celiacs and

food intolerance). This is a good place to start if you want to eliminate

foods. Usually the benefits are obvious within 2 weeks if you've hit the

allergy. (IE vomiting, abdominal pain resolves - child starts to gain weight

etc). Ask your pediatrician to run a celiac panel before you consider

eliminating wheat, if you go down that path. But you need to read the food

labels carefully since there are hidden sources of milk and gluten in

everything (gluten is a preservative). Even visits to the dentist you need

to ask for gluten-free toothpaste. -

[ ] Vaccinating an Unvaxxed 5 y.o.

Hello,

I am just curious.

I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then, possibly

vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so didn't.

By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her speech,

and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She is

wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All done

in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

Everything tells me not to do this...

But, every Dr's visit is a power

struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless they

are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get her

started on Polio.... So confudes...

What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has made

such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to regress

even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

myself, either?

Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

Thanks,

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Children do regress into autism after age 3. My son was 4 when he

regressed. We had him on a delayed vaccination schedule, so that may

be why he regressed late.

If your daughter has had pertussis, there is no need to vaccinate her

- why is the doc pushing it? Ask to have her titers checked to verify

that she is already immune. I would definitely not have all these

shots at once, particularly since you know her sister had bad

reactions to her vaccinations. I encourage you to read

Cave's book before you make any decisions. Why can't they give the DT

shot to her? It's not usually given to younger children because they

are at risk for pertussis, but since your daughter has already had

pertussis, I don't see the problem.

Since your daughter has sensory and digestive problems, she is high

risk. Trust your instincts and don't let your ped push you to do

something you aren't comfortable with. Do what you think is right for

your child - I wish I could go back and refuse my children's vaccines,

particularly DTP and MMR.

Your daughter is at virtually zero risk for polio if you live in the

US. Is that what you are referring to when you talk about the risk of

her being crippled?

mary

>

> Hello,

>

> I am just curious.

>

> I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

> reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

>

> I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then, possibly

> vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so didn't.

>

> By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her speech,

> and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

>

> She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She is

> wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All done

> in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

> other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

> reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

>

> With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

> speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

>

> Everything tells me not to do this...

>

> But, every Dr's visit is a power

> struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

> push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

> diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

>

> I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

> Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

>

> I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

> all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless they

> are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

>

> So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get her

> started on Polio.... So confudes...

>

> What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has made

> such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to regress

> even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

> myself, either?

>

> Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

>

> Thanks,

> Aubrey

>

[Guest guest]

Yes an autism diagnosis will not fit, however it is then

called " childhood disintegrative disorder " when it happens after the

age of 3. So same thing, different name. Read link below,

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001535.htm

>

> The austism regression usually occurs before age 3, so you should

be OK from

> that standpoint. You don't have to get the shots all at the same

time. The

> most important are DPT and polio. Hep B is not really an issue until

> adolescence or older in higher risk groups (ie blood and sexually

> transmitted - just given in childhood because that's when the kids

are being

> seeing regularly from a public health standpoint). It will take

several more

> visits to the Dr. to separate the shots, but usually the offices

will allow

> you to just come in for a vaccine and not need an appt.

>

> If your child is having GI issues, vomiting and diarrhea for weeks -

has she

> been seen by a good allergist and worked up for food allergies? Or

celiac

> disease (a simple blood test...1:125 people of European ancestry

have

> celiac, and it is often undiagnosed). Does your child have

allergies, asthma

> and/or eczema? Food allergies and celiac can cause malabsorption of

key

> vitamins (like Vitamin E and B12) that could lead to neurological

sequalae

> including delayed speech. I would look into the gut issues.

Diarrhea and

> puking for weeks? Did you see a gastrointestinal specialist? (Not

that they

> are always helpful...some don't " believe " in food allergies and gut

issues).

> But this is NOT normal. If allergies are the cause,and you

eliminate the

> offending food (usually mutiple foods) - many of your child's

symptoms will

> resolve. You should talk to your pediatrician, and strongly consider

> supplements. Google celiac disease as well as eosinophilic

gastritis

> (basically allergic gut). See if the symptoms sound familiar. Also

keep a

> daily log of foods eaten and symptoms. A pain to do, but very

helpful in

> figuring out the food item of concern.

>

> Milk, wheat and soy are the most common culprets - the reason many

children

> do well on gluten free/casein free diet...so many undiagnosed

celiacs and

> food intolerance). This is a good place to start if you want to

eliminate

> foods. Usually the benefits are obvious within 2 weeks if you've

hit the

> allergy. (IE vomiting, abdominal pain resolves - child starts to

gain weight

> etc). Ask your pediatrician to run a celiac panel before you

consider

> eliminating wheat, if you go down that path. But you need to read

the food

> labels carefully since there are hidden sources of milk and gluten

in

> everything (gluten is a preservative). Even visits to the dentist

you need

> to ask for gluten-free toothpaste. -

>

> [ ] Vaccinating an Unvaxxed 5 y.o.

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I am just curious.

>

> I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

> reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

>

> I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then,

possibly

> vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so

didn't.

>

> By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her

speech,

> and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

>

> She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She

is

> wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All

done

> in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

> other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

> reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

>

> With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

> speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

>

> Everything tells me not to do this...

>

> But, every Dr's visit is a power

> struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

> push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

> diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

>

> I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

> Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

>

> I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

> all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless

they

> are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

>

> So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get

her

> started on Polio.... So confudes...

>

> What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has

made

> such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to

regress

> even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

> myself, either?

>

> Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

>

> Thanks,

> Aubrey

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes they can regress after 5, happens all the time. If you have

concerns by no means do a combination vaccine. You can get a mercury

free tetanus. Separate them if you feel more comfortable. You can opt

out of all if you so choose.

Dr. Cave has a book just for this topic, on how to separate

vaccines, what supplements to give your child for several days prior

to vaccination if you choose to vaccinate.

>

> Hello,

>

> I am just curious.

>

> I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

> reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

>

> I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then,

possibly

> vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so

didn't.

>

> By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her

speech,

> and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

>

> She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She

is

> wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All

done

> in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

> other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

> reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

>

> With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

> speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

>

> Everything tells me not to do this...

>

> But, every Dr's visit is a power

> struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

> push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

> diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

>

> I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

> Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

>

> I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

> all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless

they

> are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

>

> So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get

her

> started on Polio.... So confudes...

>

> What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has

made

> such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to

regress

> even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

> myself, either?

>

> Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

>

> Thanks,

> Aubrey

>

[Guest guest]

The austism regression usually occurs before age 3, so you should be OK from

that standpoint. You don't have to get the shots all at the same time. The

most important are DPT and polio. Hep B is not really an issue until

adolescence or older in higher risk groups (ie blood and sexually

transmitted - just given in childhood because that's when the kids are being

seeing regularly from a public health standpoint). It will take several more

visits to the Dr. to separate the shots, but usually the offices will allow

you to just come in for a vaccine and not need an appt.

If your child is having GI issues, vomiting and diarrhea for weeks - has she

been seen by a good allergist and worked up for food allergies? Or celiac

disease (a simple blood test...1:125 people of European ancestry have

celiac, and it is often undiagnosed). Does your child have allergies, asthma

and/or eczema? Food allergies and celiac can cause malabsorption of key

vitamins (like Vitamin E and B12) that could lead to neurological sequalae

including delayed speech. I would look into the gut issues. Diarrhea and

puking for weeks? Did you see a gastrointestinal specialist? (Not that they

are always helpful...some don't " believe " in food allergies and gut issues).

But this is NOT normal. If allergies are the cause,and you eliminate the

offending food (usually mutiple foods) - many of your child's symptoms will

resolve. You should talk to your pediatrician, and strongly consider

supplements. Google celiac disease as well as eosinophilic gastritis

(basically allergic gut). See if the symptoms sound familiar. Also keep a

daily log of foods eaten and symptoms. A pain to do, but very helpful in

figuring out the food item of concern.

Milk, wheat and soy are the most common culprets - the reason many children

do well on gluten free/casein free diet...so many undiagnosed celiacs and

food intolerance). This is a good place to start if you want to eliminate

foods. Usually the benefits are obvious within 2 weeks if you've hit the

allergy. (IE vomiting, abdominal pain resolves - child starts to gain weight

etc). Ask your pediatrician to run a celiac panel before you consider

eliminating wheat, if you go down that path. But you need to read the food

labels carefully since there are hidden sources of milk and gluten in

everything (gluten is a preservative). Even visits to the dentist you need

to ask for gluten-free toothpaste. -

[ ] Vaccinating an Unvaxxed 5 y.o.

Hello,

I am just curious.

I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then, possibly

vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so didn't.

By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her speech,

and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She is

wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All done

in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

Everything tells me not to do this...

But, every Dr's visit is a power

struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless they

are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get her

started on Polio.... So confudes...

What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has made

such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to regress

even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

myself, either?

Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

Thanks,

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Actually, childhood disintegrative disorder has a much more bleak

outlook than other ASDs, and it is not true that all children who

regress into autism after age 3 have CDD. Kids with CDD tend to worsen

dramatically as they become older. A psychologist told us that our son

must have CDD because he regressed after 3, but our neurologist has

assured us that is not the case, and our son has improved dramatically

since he was diagnosed.

>

> Yes an autism diagnosis will not fit, however it is then

> called " childhood disintegrative disorder " when it happens after the

> age of 3. So same thing, different name. Read link below,

>

>

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001535.htm

>

>

[Guest guest]

Children do regress into autism after age 3. My son was 4 when he

regressed. We had him on a delayed vaccination schedule, so that may

be why he regressed late.

If your daughter has had pertussis, there is no need to vaccinate her

- why is the doc pushing it? Ask to have her titers checked to verify

that she is already immune. I would definitely not have all these

shots at once, particularly since you know her sister had bad

reactions to her vaccinations. I encourage you to read

Cave's book before you make any decisions. Why can't they give the DT

shot to her? It's not usually given to younger children because they

are at risk for pertussis, but since your daughter has already had

pertussis, I don't see the problem.

Since your daughter has sensory and digestive problems, she is high

risk. Trust your instincts and don't let your ped push you to do

something you aren't comfortable with. Do what you think is right for

your child - I wish I could go back and refuse my children's vaccines,

particularly DTP and MMR.

Your daughter is at virtually zero risk for polio if you live in the

US. Is that what you are referring to when you talk about the risk of

her being crippled?

mary

>

> Hello,

>

> I am just curious.

>

> I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

> reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

>

> I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then, possibly

> vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so didn't.

>

> By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her speech,

> and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

>

> She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She is

> wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All done

> in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

> other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

> reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

>

> With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

> speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

>

> Everything tells me not to do this...

>

> But, every Dr's visit is a power

> struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

> push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

> diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

>

> I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

> Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

>

> I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

> all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless they

> are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

>

> So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get her

> started on Polio.... So confudes...

>

> What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has made

> such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to regress

> even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

> myself, either?

>

> Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

>

> Thanks,

> Aubrey

>

[Guest guest]

All 4 year old shots have the span of 4-6 years, it would be prudent

to at least wait until she turns 6.

As far as paperwork for school registration, the same physician

provided our immunization list with completed shots accompanied by a

letter stating that due to my son's neurologically-based apraxia

diagnosis, we will defer administration of all 4-year old

vaccinations until he turns 6.

The doctor was a pleasure to deal with in this regard and my son was

completely registered for the school year.

I have also heard that school districts will typically accept a

blood titer of the antibodies to show protection from

diseases/illnesses.

If you are interested in knowing if your child received thimerasol,

you may visit nvic.com and there is a thimerasol calculator there.

You will need to know the manufacturer of your child's shots and

their approximate weight at the time.

It is important to note that MD's do NOT have an education in

toxicology, as it is not a course they are required to take. Most

doctors wouldn't know mercury or other heavy metal poisoning if it

were staring them in the face. Naturally, a busy doctor is not going

to investigate a theory that the pharmaceutical companies and FDA

are telling them is nonsense. But the leading toxicologist in the

country, Dr. Rashid Buttar, testified the following before congress

in May of last year:

" Over the last 15 years, the incidence of Autism has rapidly

increased in the industrialized nations with the United States and

the United Kingdom having the sharpest rise. A lot of the attention

has been given regarding the link between mercury and autism, with

mercury being the possible factor underlying the etiology of this

condition. The issue of whether mercury plays a role in Autism or

other neurodevelopmental disorders has been the subject of long

debate and extreme political discourse but the evidence is

overwhelmingly obvious to even the simplest of intellects once the

data is objectively reviewed. "

- Dr. Rashid Buttar, Vice Chairman, American Board of Clinical Metal

Toxicology

Its the great debate, but our children are in the middle and it is

up to parents to decide what is best for their children because I

don't see any sides agreeing in the near future.

my two cents,

Joanne

[Guest guest]

Yes an autism diagnosis will not fit, however it is then

called " childhood disintegrative disorder " when it happens after the

age of 3. So same thing, different name. Read link below,

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001535.htm

>

> The austism regression usually occurs before age 3, so you should

be OK from

> that standpoint. You don't have to get the shots all at the same

time. The

> most important are DPT and polio. Hep B is not really an issue until

> adolescence or older in higher risk groups (ie blood and sexually

> transmitted - just given in childhood because that's when the kids

are being

> seeing regularly from a public health standpoint). It will take

several more

> visits to the Dr. to separate the shots, but usually the offices

will allow

> you to just come in for a vaccine and not need an appt.

>

> If your child is having GI issues, vomiting and diarrhea for weeks -

has she

> been seen by a good allergist and worked up for food allergies? Or

celiac

> disease (a simple blood test...1:125 people of European ancestry

have

> celiac, and it is often undiagnosed). Does your child have

allergies, asthma

> and/or eczema? Food allergies and celiac can cause malabsorption of

key

> vitamins (like Vitamin E and B12) that could lead to neurological

sequalae

> including delayed speech. I would look into the gut issues.

Diarrhea and

> puking for weeks? Did you see a gastrointestinal specialist? (Not

that they

> are always helpful...some don't " believe " in food allergies and gut

issues).

> But this is NOT normal. If allergies are the cause,and you

eliminate the

> offending food (usually mutiple foods) - many of your child's

symptoms will

> resolve. You should talk to your pediatrician, and strongly consider

> supplements. Google celiac disease as well as eosinophilic

gastritis

> (basically allergic gut). See if the symptoms sound familiar. Also

keep a

> daily log of foods eaten and symptoms. A pain to do, but very

helpful in

> figuring out the food item of concern.

>

> Milk, wheat and soy are the most common culprets - the reason many

children

> do well on gluten free/casein free diet...so many undiagnosed

celiacs and

> food intolerance). This is a good place to start if you want to

eliminate

> foods. Usually the benefits are obvious within 2 weeks if you've

hit the

> allergy. (IE vomiting, abdominal pain resolves - child starts to

gain weight

> etc). Ask your pediatrician to run a celiac panel before you

consider

> eliminating wheat, if you go down that path. But you need to read

the food

> labels carefully since there are hidden sources of milk and gluten

in

> everything (gluten is a preservative). Even visits to the dentist

you need

> to ask for gluten-free toothpaste. -

>

> [ ] Vaccinating an Unvaxxed 5 y.o.

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I am just curious.

>

> I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

> reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

>

> I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then,

possibly

> vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so

didn't.

>

> By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her

speech,

> and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

>

> She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She

is

> wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All

done

> in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

> other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

> reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

>

> With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

> speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

>

> Everything tells me not to do this...

>

> But, every Dr's visit is a power

> struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

> push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

> diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

>

> I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

> Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

>

> I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

> all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless

they

> are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

>

> So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get

her

> started on Polio.... So confudes...

>

> What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has

made

> such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to

regress

> even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

> myself, either?

>

> Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

>

> Thanks,

> Aubrey

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, childhood disintegrative disorder has a much more bleak

outlook than other ASDs, and it is not true that all children who

regress into autism after age 3 have CDD. Kids with CDD tend to worsen

dramatically as they become older. A psychologist told us that our son

must have CDD because he regressed after 3, but our neurologist has

assured us that is not the case, and our son has improved dramatically

since he was diagnosed.

>

> Yes an autism diagnosis will not fit, however it is then

> called " childhood disintegrative disorder " when it happens after the

> age of 3. So same thing, different name. Read link below,

>

>

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001535.htm

>

>

[Guest guest]

All 4 year old shots have the span of 4-6 years, it would be prudent

to at least wait until she turns 6.

As far as paperwork for school registration, the same physician

provided our immunization list with completed shots accompanied by a

letter stating that due to my son's neurologically-based apraxia

diagnosis, we will defer administration of all 4-year old

vaccinations until he turns 6.

The doctor was a pleasure to deal with in this regard and my son was

completely registered for the school year.

I have also heard that school districts will typically accept a

blood titer of the antibodies to show protection from

diseases/illnesses.

If you are interested in knowing if your child received thimerasol,

you may visit nvic.com and there is a thimerasol calculator there.

You will need to know the manufacturer of your child's shots and

their approximate weight at the time.

It is important to note that MD's do NOT have an education in

toxicology, as it is not a course they are required to take. Most

doctors wouldn't know mercury or other heavy metal poisoning if it

were staring them in the face. Naturally, a busy doctor is not going

to investigate a theory that the pharmaceutical companies and FDA

are telling them is nonsense. But the leading toxicologist in the

country, Dr. Rashid Buttar, testified the following before congress

in May of last year:

" Over the last 15 years, the incidence of Autism has rapidly

increased in the industrialized nations with the United States and

the United Kingdom having the sharpest rise. A lot of the attention

has been given regarding the link between mercury and autism, with

mercury being the possible factor underlying the etiology of this

condition. The issue of whether mercury plays a role in Autism or

other neurodevelopmental disorders has been the subject of long

debate and extreme political discourse but the evidence is

overwhelmingly obvious to even the simplest of intellects once the

data is objectively reviewed. "

- Dr. Rashid Buttar, Vice Chairman, American Board of Clinical Metal

Toxicology

Its the great debate, but our children are in the middle and it is

up to parents to decide what is best for their children because I

don't see any sides agreeing in the near future.

my two cents,

Joanne

[Guest guest]

RE: all Tetanus have mercury. Your daughter will be getting her

tetanus most likely through a Daptacel (sp?) vaccine. It is a DTaP.

It has been thimerasol free since it entered the market about 4 - 5

years ago. It was created to replace any thimerasol containing DTaP

vaccines. Thus... it is mercury free.

Kris

On Jul 21, 2006, at 2:36 AM, Aubrey wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I am just curious.

>

> I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

> reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

>

> I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then, possibly

> vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so didn't.

>

> By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her speech,

> and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

>

> She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She is

> wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All done

> in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

> other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

> reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

>

> With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

> speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

>

> Everything tells me not to do this...

>

> But, every Dr's visit is a power

> struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

> push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

> diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

>

> I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

> Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

>

> I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

> all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless they

> are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

>

> So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get her

> started on Polio.... So confudes...

>

> What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has made

> such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to regress

> even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

> myself, either?

>

> Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

>

> Thanks,

> Aubrey

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

RE: all Tetanus have mercury. Your daughter will be getting her

tetanus most likely through a Daptacel (sp?) vaccine. It is a DTaP.

It has been thimerasol free since it entered the market about 4 - 5

years ago. It was created to replace any thimerasol containing DTaP

vaccines. Thus... it is mercury free.

Kris

On Jul 21, 2006, at 2:36 AM, Aubrey wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I am just curious.

>

> I had delayed vaccinations with my 2nd daughter, as my 1st had a bad

> reaction to her 2nd set of DTP shots. (Also did badly with the MMR.)

>

> I had planned on waiting until she was about 2-ish, and then, possibly

> vaccinating her. When 2 came, we had no medical insurance, so didn't.

>

> By the time she was 3,I realized there was a problem with her speech,

> and was so focused on that, the vax issue didn't really concern me.

>

> She has a new pediatrician who is REALLY pushing vaccinations. She is

> wanting me to get the 5 in one combo (DPT, Polio and Hep . All done

> in 3 " sticks " ... which seems appealing on one hand... but, on the

> other, my daughter is sooooooo sensitive. To everything. So, if she

> reacts, I won't know what she reacts to.

>

> With my 1st daughter reacting, and with my 2nd so far behind in her

> speech... She has sensory problems, digestive problems...

>

> Everything tells me not to do this...

>

> But, every Dr's visit is a power

> struggle. (She says she is Pro-Whatever I wanna do... but, tries to

> push these evertime... even when my daughter was having severe

> diarreah and puking non stop for weeks...)

>

> I know, at 4, she had Whooping Cough. (We all caught it, and my

> Grandpa got really sick, went to the Dr and got it diagnosed.)

>

> I go back & forth between Polio and Tetanus... (Though, I just read

> all Tets have mercury, and they can't give the DT to kids unless they

> are 7...)There is no need for her to be injected with Pertussis.

>

> So, do I wait for another year and a half & get her the DT... get her

> started on Polio.... So confudes...

>

> What I am seriously worred about, is her regressing back. She has made

> such great gains. I cannot live with myself if I cause her to regress

> even further... But, if she were crippled, how could I live with

> myself, either?

>

> Does anyone know if they can regress after 5???

>

> Thanks,

> Aubrey

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<claudiamorris@...> wrote: " If your child is having GI issues,

vomiting and diarrhea for weeks - has she been seen by a good

allergist and worked up for food allergies? Or celiac disease (a

simple blood test...1:125 people of European ancestry have celiac, and

it is often undiagnosed). Does your child have allergies, asthma

and/or eczema? Food allergies and celiac can cause malabsorption of

key vitamins (like Vitamin E and B12) that could lead to neurological

sequalae including delayed speech. I would look into the gut issues.

Diarrhea and puking for weeks? Did you see a gastrointestinal

specialist? (Not that they are always helpful...some don't " believe "

in food allergies and gut issues). "

We had her on the GFCF diet for 8 months. We all got sick with

something. (Puking and diarreah for 3-4 days, it'd stop & recur. My

husband, 1st daughter and I were over it in about 2 weeks. My 2nd

daughter had it for so long. We live in a smaller town, and this is

her primary care provider. She said it was " probably allergies " . When

I asked her to do a test, she said my daughter would " probably just

outgrow them. " I told her she was already GFCF and I'd like to know

exactly what all else I needed to remove... It was awful. She wouldn't

refer me out (the only way to see a specialist). Told me to keep her

hydrated & wait it out.

We had her on GFCF for 8 months, because I believe that is a main

cause of her speech delay. (Missing nutrients). She is now on

digestive enzymes with the G/C foods... and is still doing well, w/o

stomach upsets. I also supplement her with Omega 3-6-9 and a daily

vitamin. (I was giving her calicium supplements while on GFCF)

" But this is NOT normal. If allergies are the cause,and you eliminate

the offending food (usually mutiple foods) - many of your child's

symptoms will resolve. You should talk to your pediatrician, and

strongly consider supplements. Google celiac disease as well as

eosinophilic gastritis (basically allergic gut). See if the symptoms

sound familiar. Also keep a daily log of foods eaten and symptoms. A

pain to do, but very helpful in figuring out the food item of concern. "

Yes, I looked all of it up. I kept a food log. I still am perplexed by

what her problem was. I had brought a sample of her feces for the dr

to check, thinking it might have been a parasite. She wouldn't test

it. Told me I worried too much. (She also thinks Ella's speech problem

is because we " must talk for her " . We do not.) Our insurance does not

qualify us to go to the bigger town an hour away for medical, because

it is in a different county. I'm pretty much on my own here, but am

trying Thank God for the internet!

Thanks so much for writing with such detail

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

<claudiamorris@...> wrote: " If your child is having GI issues,

vomiting and diarrhea for weeks - has she been seen by a good

allergist and worked up for food allergies? Or celiac disease (a

simple blood test...1:125 people of European ancestry have celiac, and

it is often undiagnosed). Does your child have allergies, asthma

and/or eczema? Food allergies and celiac can cause malabsorption of

key vitamins (like Vitamin E and B12) that could lead to neurological

sequalae including delayed speech. I would look into the gut issues.

Diarrhea and puking for weeks? Did you see a gastrointestinal

specialist? (Not that they are always helpful...some don't " believe "

in food allergies and gut issues). "

We had her on the GFCF diet for 8 months. We all got sick with

something. (Puking and diarreah for 3-4 days, it'd stop & recur. My

husband, 1st daughter and I were over it in about 2 weeks. My 2nd

daughter had it for so long. We live in a smaller town, and this is

her primary care provider. She said it was " probably allergies " . When

I asked her to do a test, she said my daughter would " probably just

outgrow them. " I told her she was already GFCF and I'd like to know

exactly what all else I needed to remove... It was awful. She wouldn't

refer me out (the only way to see a specialist). Told me to keep her

hydrated & wait it out.

We had her on GFCF for 8 months, because I believe that is a main

cause of her speech delay. (Missing nutrients). She is now on

digestive enzymes with the G/C foods... and is still doing well, w/o

stomach upsets. I also supplement her with Omega 3-6-9 and a daily

vitamin. (I was giving her calicium supplements while on GFCF)

" But this is NOT normal. If allergies are the cause,and you eliminate

the offending food (usually mutiple foods) - many of your child's

symptoms will resolve. You should talk to your pediatrician, and

strongly consider supplements. Google celiac disease as well as

eosinophilic gastritis (basically allergic gut). See if the symptoms

sound familiar. Also keep a daily log of foods eaten and symptoms. A

pain to do, but very helpful in figuring out the food item of concern. "

Yes, I looked all of it up. I kept a food log. I still am perplexed by

what her problem was. I had brought a sample of her feces for the dr

to check, thinking it might have been a parasite. She wouldn't test

it. Told me I worried too much. (She also thinks Ella's speech problem

is because we " must talk for her " . We do not.) Our insurance does not

qualify us to go to the bigger town an hour away for medical, because

it is in a different county. I'm pretty much on my own here, but am

trying Thank God for the internet!

Thanks so much for writing with such detail

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Aubrey, I just read your message about the unacceptable attitude of

your child's pediatrician and I'm sitting here stunned about the

potentially dangerous advice of this MD if this is all for real.

I'm aware that there are good and bad in every profession, but this

MD sounds like he or she needs to be reported!

If adult and child members of a family all of a sudden got sick at

the exact same time with " Puking and diarrhea for 3-4 days, it'd

stop & recur " that does not sound like " probably allergies " ! It

sounds like it could be a number of things such as food poisoning or

an illness. Check your child's food log -anything on there that

she ate every day that you and your husband, 1st daughter, and you

ate just here and there? (perhaps something that wasn't thrown away

right away since you guys kept getting it back?!) It is serious

that your young child was so sick throwing up, and with diarrhea for

so long...it's very easy for preschool children to become dehydrated

and I know because I used to be one of those sick children...and I

was hospitalized and diagnosed as having celiac. (but again my Mom

and Dad didn't have the same symptoms!)

You 'can' fire a bad professional, and as far as I know all health

care plans allow you to switch primary care physicians and give you

the choice of whom you can switch to....even if you end up having to

drive a bit further to do so. So to me the question at this point

isn't so much what caused the virus/food poisoning or whatever it

was since that is resolved. To me it's clear it had nothing to do

with allergies or shots since your whole family had it, and GFCF

diet has nothing to do with it either -that's besides the point too.

The question is: Are there any other MDs around you could take your

child to?/Switch your child's primary care physician to?

If I were you I'd dump this pediatrician and get another one because

as they say " it couldn't be any worse "

....unless you use the same SLP as Kris and you know what she would

say: " When someone says " How-do-you-do, " just say that you didn't "

from 'Eeyore's Gloomy Little Instruction Book'

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0525455191/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-7055642-7\

943151?ie=UTF8

=====

[Guest guest]

Aubrey, I just read your message about the unacceptable attitude of

your child's pediatrician and I'm sitting here stunned about the

potentially dangerous advice of this MD if this is all for real.

I'm aware that there are good and bad in every profession, but this

MD sounds like he or she needs to be reported!

If adult and child members of a family all of a sudden got sick at

the exact same time with " Puking and diarrhea for 3-4 days, it'd

stop & recur " that does not sound like " probably allergies " ! It

sounds like it could be a number of things such as food poisoning or

an illness. Check your child's food log -anything on there that

she ate every day that you and your husband, 1st daughter, and you

ate just here and there? (perhaps something that wasn't thrown away

right away since you guys kept getting it back?!) It is serious

that your young child was so sick throwing up, and with diarrhea for

so long...it's very easy for preschool children to become dehydrated

and I know because I used to be one of those sick children...and I

was hospitalized and diagnosed as having celiac. (but again my Mom

and Dad didn't have the same symptoms!)

You 'can' fire a bad professional, and as far as I know all health

care plans allow you to switch primary care physicians and give you

the choice of whom you can switch to....even if you end up having to

drive a bit further to do so. So to me the question at this point

isn't so much what caused the virus/food poisoning or whatever it

was since that is resolved. To me it's clear it had nothing to do

with allergies or shots since your whole family had it, and GFCF

diet has nothing to do with it either -that's besides the point too.

The question is: Are there any other MDs around you could take your

child to?/Switch your child's primary care physician to?

If I were you I'd dump this pediatrician and get another one because

as they say " it couldn't be any worse "

....unless you use the same SLP as Kris and you know what she would

say: " When someone says " How-do-you-do, " just say that you didn't "

from 'Eeyore's Gloomy Little Instruction Book'

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0525455191/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-7055642-7\

943151?ie=UTF8

=====

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I agree I need to look for a new Pediatrician. I am in the process of

asking other mom's near me (an hour away) to see who they go to. I am

not aware of any developmental Ped's in my area (or near me)... so,

we'll see.

As far as the puking/diarreah, that was months ago. (I only brought it

up to show how rediculous her Dr. is. My sister uses her for her

daughter, and everytime her daughter is sick, she tells her it's

allergies... She's awful. I do like her partner, and she helped us out

when my daughter had a UTI... so, I may request to use only her from

now on...)

I agree, she is an awful Dr. And yes, " this is all for real " ... No

real reason to make it up, that I can imagine.

I did go over the food log. I cannot figure out what it could have

been that caused the sickness. I was thinking it might have been

Giardia (parasite) as the symptoms were the same. I got it 1st, and

days later, my daughter, etc. It kept getting passed back & forth so I

used lots of clorox wipes around the house, threw out left-overs... I

knew my daughter had digestive issues, so I tried to keep an eye on

her. I am not sure what caused it. I gave her probiotics, and kept her

well hydrated. Let her eat as she wanted to... She is better now, and

like I said, it is still a mystery.

The reason I mentioned having her on the GFCF diet, was the fact that

I was taking care of her stomach issues, and knew it couldn't be the

wheat or milk. That I wanted a test done to see what else she could

possibly be allergic to, as the rest of us got better faster than she

did. It lasted about 2 weeks with us, and about 5 for her. I figured,

since it seemed to be a stomach thing, maybe it was something that she

was eating that was aggrivating it. I still do not know.

Anyway, yes, I am working on figuring out exactly who I need to switch

her to. As I said, I live in a very small community, and they are

really lax.

The reason I mentioned all of the above in relation to the shots, was

that I do not have a supportive Dr out here...and I was confused. Just

wanted some advice.

A lot of Dr's (and people in general) think a parent is insane for not

immunizing. I can see it, to a point. I used to feel this way, too.

Until I had my daughter. And since no one will listen to me about her

problems, it is very difficult to know the right thing to do.

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I agree I need to look for a new Pediatrician. I am in the process of

asking other mom's near me (an hour away) to see who they go to. I am

not aware of any developmental Ped's in my area (or near me)... so,

we'll see.

As far as the puking/diarreah, that was months ago. (I only brought it

up to show how rediculous her Dr. is. My sister uses her for her

daughter, and everytime her daughter is sick, she tells her it's

allergies... She's awful. I do like her partner, and she helped us out

when my daughter had a UTI... so, I may request to use only her from

now on...)

I agree, she is an awful Dr. And yes, " this is all for real " ... No

real reason to make it up, that I can imagine.

I did go over the food log. I cannot figure out what it could have

been that caused the sickness. I was thinking it might have been

Giardia (parasite) as the symptoms were the same. I got it 1st, and

days later, my daughter, etc. It kept getting passed back & forth so I

used lots of clorox wipes around the house, threw out left-overs... I

knew my daughter had digestive issues, so I tried to keep an eye on

her. I am not sure what caused it. I gave her probiotics, and kept her

well hydrated. Let her eat as she wanted to... She is better now, and

like I said, it is still a mystery.

The reason I mentioned having her on the GFCF diet, was the fact that

I was taking care of her stomach issues, and knew it couldn't be the

wheat or milk. That I wanted a test done to see what else she could

possibly be allergic to, as the rest of us got better faster than she

did. It lasted about 2 weeks with us, and about 5 for her. I figured,

since it seemed to be a stomach thing, maybe it was something that she

was eating that was aggrivating it. I still do not know.

Anyway, yes, I am working on figuring out exactly who I need to switch

her to. As I said, I live in a very small community, and they are

really lax.

The reason I mentioned all of the above in relation to the shots, was

that I do not have a supportive Dr out here...and I was confused. Just

wanted some advice.

A lot of Dr's (and people in general) think a parent is insane for not

immunizing. I can see it, to a point. I used to feel this way, too.

Until I had my daughter. And since no one will listen to me about her

problems, it is very difficult to know the right thing to do.

Aubrey