Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Suzanne, Try not to get too worked up about having exactly the right dose right from the start. Many of us have done a little trial and error and gone with whatever has worked best. For us that has been a 2 to 1 ratio of Pro-EFA (aka Complete Omega 3-6-9) to EPA (aka Pro-EPA). Both are from Nordic Naturals, and yes both contain the lemon oil. In my opinion, it would be best for you to first find something that your son will take and that won't bother him. I do believe that some of the other companies make lemon-free, but I'm sorry I don't have info on that. In any case, getting your son on ANY dose of and EPA-containing product is a good first step. Over time, you can find better dosages and ratios of all the EFAs, and if you want you can try to go to a much higher dose like some of us have. There have been many posts in the past about how to get the oils into kids. In the past, we've stirred it into yogurt or applesauce, taken it on a spoon, and squeezed it over mandarin oranges (all of these methods worked well for a time). Recently I've been making a small " special drink " of 10 caps of the 3-6-9 with a little white grape juice, and my daughters " race " to drink the most the quickest. They use a straw, which helps with the funny taste because the liquid mostly bypasses the tongue, and they each get one small piece of dark chocolate when they're done. Some may object to this method, but it's worked 100% of the time! As soon as we run out of the capsules (I bought a 6-month supply), I'm going to switch to the liquid version of Omega 3-6-9. Much easier than piercing 10 caps a night! Hope this helps! Kerri > > Going into the Cherab website I have found information that the trials > were done using ProEFA and that the best dosage was EPA 148 mg; DHA 99 > mg; GLA 40 mg. > > I also found information there that said that an actual range should > be EPA 150 to 250 mg; DHA around 100 mg; GLA 30 to 50 mg. > > The ProEFA label shown in your shop-in-service site shows the dosages > listed above, in the first paragraph. However, the Nordic Naturals > site that I visited lists per 2 soft gels, so if you used 1 soft gel > per day, it would be EPA 135 mg; DHA 90 mg; and GLA 33 mg. According > to the first critera which you used in testing, these levels are a > little low. > > You also name Efalex as being a good one to use. I see that 2 caps > contain EPA 30 mg; DHA 130 mg; GLA 25 mg. I emailed the Efamol > company in the UK for their label information, as I have not been able > to find Efalex here and therefore have not been able to get that > information. These amount are way different from the original criteria. > > You also name EyeQ as being an effective product. Their capsules, > using 2 500mg capsules, or using the liquid, the amount would be EPA > 186mg; DHA 58 mg; GLA 20 mg. If you used the sachet it would be EPA > 275 mg; DHA 100 mg; GLA 31 mg. > > I am absolutely and utterly confused. I thought the amounts of EPA, > DHA, and GLA were fairly critical and should be in a particular > proportion to one another. > > Even though the ProEFA has diffrent amounts used than what you used in > the trials, it seems the closest to what was used in the trials. > However, it contains lemon oil, and our two-year-old who has apraxia, > is allergic to citrus. I am trying to find out now whether maybe > lemon oil isn't very acidic as compared to lemon juice, hoping that > possibly Pro EFA with the lemon oil would be okay to use. It is very > worrisome. If it isn't okay, then I just plain don't know what to do. > These products are all so different from what was used in the trials. > And anyway, I haven't even been able to find Efalex or EyeQ. > > I have checked a number of other companies' products and can't find > anything close to the original ProEFA used in the trials. I don't > want to mess up. I think it might be difficult enough to get him to > take the bad-tasting oil, and for sure I want to be using the right > EFA product that will help the most. > > Please, please, please tell me what I am supposed to be doing here. > We are extremely anxious to get our son started on EFA's. What are > the names of some of the products you are successfully using? Where > do you purchase them? What stores are they in? > > Do the children take the fish oil squeezed from the capsule? The > taste must be awful (of course that is why the lemon oil is in the > ProEFA, to make it more palatable.). Do you use an eyedropper to get > it into the mouth? > > I have been tormenting over this, and I just can't find out what I > need to know. Please help me with this. > > Thank you. Suzanne > > > *http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efabasics.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Hi Kerri, Thank you so much for your help. As you can tell, this is all very new to us, and I really appreciate your taking the time to answer. When you switch to the liquid Omega 3-6-9 how much of that will you give your daughters? I'm curious as to how old they are and how long they have been on the EFA's. I don't even know if I am using this groups thing right or not, and whether I should be replying to you in this manner. Thanks again, Suzanne [ ] Re: EFA's--please explain Suzanne, Try not to get too worked up about having exactly the right dose right from the start. Many of us have done a little trial and error and gone with whatever has worked best. For us that has been a 2 to 1 ratio of Pro-EFA (aka Complete Omega 3-6-9) to EPA (aka Pro-EPA). Both are from Nordic Naturals, and yes both contain the lemon oil. In my opinion, it would be best for you to first find something that your son will take and that won't bother him. I do believe that some of the other companies make lemon-free, but I'm sorry I don't have info on that. In any case, getting your son on ANY dose of and EPA-containing product is a good first step. Over time, you can find better dosages and ratios of all the EFAs, and if you want you can try to go to a much higher dose like some of us have. There have been many posts in the past about how to get the oils into kids. In the past, we've stirred it into yogurt or applesauce, taken it on a spoon, and squeezed it over mandarin oranges (all of these methods worked well for a time). Recently I've been making a small " special drink " of 10 caps of the 3-6-9 with a little white grape juice, and my daughters " race " to drink the most the quickest. They use a straw, which helps with the funny taste because the liquid mostly bypasses the tongue, and they each get one small piece of dark chocolate when they're done. Some may object to this method, but it's worked 100% of the time! As soon as we run out of the capsules (I bought a 6-month supply), I'm going to switch to the liquid version of Omega 3-6-9. Much easier than piercing 10 caps a night! Hope this helps! Kerri > > Going into the Cherab website I have found information that the trials > were done using ProEFA and that the best dosage was EPA 148 mg; DHA 99 > mg; GLA 40 mg. > > I also found information there that said that an actual range should > be EPA 150 to 250 mg; DHA around 100 mg; GLA 30 to 50 mg. > > The ProEFA label shown in your shop-in-service site shows the dosages > listed above, in the first paragraph. However, the Nordic Naturals > site that I visited lists per 2 soft gels, so if you used 1 soft gel > per day, it would be EPA 135 mg; DHA 90 mg; and GLA 33 mg. According > to the first critera which you used in testing, these levels are a > little low. > > You also name Efalex as being a good one to use. I see that 2 caps > contain EPA 30 mg; DHA 130 mg; GLA 25 mg. I emailed the Efamol > company in the UK for their label information, as I have not been able > to find Efalex here and therefore have not been able to get that > information. These amount are way different from the original criteria. > > You also name EyeQ as being an effective product. Their capsules, > using 2 500mg capsules, or using the liquid, the amount would be EPA > 186mg; DHA 58 mg; GLA 20 mg. If you used the sachet it would be EPA > 275 mg; DHA 100 mg; GLA 31 mg. > > I am absolutely and utterly confused. I thought the amounts of EPA, > DHA, and GLA were fairly critical and should be in a particular > proportion to one another. > > Even though the ProEFA has diffrent amounts used than what you used in > the trials, it seems the closest to what was used in the trials. > However, it contains lemon oil, and our two-year-old who has apraxia, > is allergic to citrus. I am trying to find out now whether maybe > lemon oil isn't very acidic as compared to lemon juice, hoping that > possibly Pro EFA with the lemon oil would be okay to use. It is very > worrisome. If it isn't okay, then I just plain don't know what to do. > These products are all so different from what was used in the trials. > And anyway, I haven't even been able to find Efalex or EyeQ. > > I have checked a number of other companies' products and can't find > anything close to the original ProEFA used in the trials. I don't > want to mess up. I think it might be difficult enough to get him to > take the bad-tasting oil, and for sure I want to be using the right > EFA product that will help the most. > > Please, please, please tell me what I am supposed to be doing here. > We are extremely anxious to get our son started on EFA's. What are > the names of some of the products you are successfully using? Where > do you purchase them? What stores are they in? > > Do the children take the fish oil squeezed from the capsule? The > taste must be awful (of course that is why the lemon oil is in the > ProEFA, to make it more palatable.). Do you use an eyedropper to get > it into the mouth? > > I have been tormenting over this, and I just can't find out what I > need to know. Please help me with this. > > Thank you. Suzanne > > > *http://www.cherab. org/information/ dietaryeffects/ efabasics. html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Suzanne, Try not to get too worked up about having exactly the right dose right from the start. Many of us have done a little trial and error and gone with whatever has worked best. For us that has been a 2 to 1 ratio of Pro-EFA (aka Complete Omega 3-6-9) to EPA (aka Pro-EPA). Both are from Nordic Naturals, and yes both contain the lemon oil. In my opinion, it would be best for you to first find something that your son will take and that won't bother him. I do believe that some of the other companies make lemon-free, but I'm sorry I don't have info on that. In any case, getting your son on ANY dose of and EPA-containing product is a good first step. Over time, you can find better dosages and ratios of all the EFAs, and if you want you can try to go to a much higher dose like some of us have. There have been many posts in the past about how to get the oils into kids. In the past, we've stirred it into yogurt or applesauce, taken it on a spoon, and squeezed it over mandarin oranges (all of these methods worked well for a time). Recently I've been making a small " special drink " of 10 caps of the 3-6-9 with a little white grape juice, and my daughters " race " to drink the most the quickest. They use a straw, which helps with the funny taste because the liquid mostly bypasses the tongue, and they each get one small piece of dark chocolate when they're done. Some may object to this method, but it's worked 100% of the time! As soon as we run out of the capsules (I bought a 6-month supply), I'm going to switch to the liquid version of Omega 3-6-9. Much easier than piercing 10 caps a night! Hope this helps! Kerri > > Going into the Cherab website I have found information that the trials > were done using ProEFA and that the best dosage was EPA 148 mg; DHA 99 > mg; GLA 40 mg. > > I also found information there that said that an actual range should > be EPA 150 to 250 mg; DHA around 100 mg; GLA 30 to 50 mg. > > The ProEFA label shown in your shop-in-service site shows the dosages > listed above, in the first paragraph. However, the Nordic Naturals > site that I visited lists per 2 soft gels, so if you used 1 soft gel > per day, it would be EPA 135 mg; DHA 90 mg; and GLA 33 mg. According > to the first critera which you used in testing, these levels are a > little low. > > You also name Efalex as being a good one to use. I see that 2 caps > contain EPA 30 mg; DHA 130 mg; GLA 25 mg. I emailed the Efamol > company in the UK for their label information, as I have not been able > to find Efalex here and therefore have not been able to get that > information. These amount are way different from the original criteria. > > You also name EyeQ as being an effective product. Their capsules, > using 2 500mg capsules, or using the liquid, the amount would be EPA > 186mg; DHA 58 mg; GLA 20 mg. If you used the sachet it would be EPA > 275 mg; DHA 100 mg; GLA 31 mg. > > I am absolutely and utterly confused. I thought the amounts of EPA, > DHA, and GLA were fairly critical and should be in a particular > proportion to one another. > > Even though the ProEFA has diffrent amounts used than what you used in > the trials, it seems the closest to what was used in the trials. > However, it contains lemon oil, and our two-year-old who has apraxia, > is allergic to citrus. I am trying to find out now whether maybe > lemon oil isn't very acidic as compared to lemon juice, hoping that > possibly Pro EFA with the lemon oil would be okay to use. It is very > worrisome. If it isn't okay, then I just plain don't know what to do. > These products are all so different from what was used in the trials. > And anyway, I haven't even been able to find Efalex or EyeQ. > > I have checked a number of other companies' products and can't find > anything close to the original ProEFA used in the trials. I don't > want to mess up. I think it might be difficult enough to get him to > take the bad-tasting oil, and for sure I want to be using the right > EFA product that will help the most. > > Please, please, please tell me what I am supposed to be doing here. > We are extremely anxious to get our son started on EFA's. What are > the names of some of the products you are successfully using? Where > do you purchase them? What stores are they in? > > Do the children take the fish oil squeezed from the capsule? The > taste must be awful (of course that is why the lemon oil is in the > ProEFA, to make it more palatable.). Do you use an eyedropper to get > it into the mouth? > > I have been tormenting over this, and I just can't find out what I > need to know. Please help me with this. > > Thank you. Suzanne > > > *http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efabasics.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Suzanne, When you hit reply like you did, everyone gets the message. You can also email privately. Either option is fine, depending on your intentions. If I remember right, I think that 1 capsule of 3-6-9 is equal to 1/4 tsp. of the liquid. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. If that's the right conversion, I would use about 2 tsp for the special drink, which they split but Meg always gets more. Before I started using the special drink, I was giving Meg (who's almost 4 and has pretty mush resolved apraxia) 4 caps 3-6-9 and 2 caps EPA, and Kate (who just turned 2 and has no speech problems) 2 caps 3-6-9 and 1 EPA. Meg started taking EFAs a little over a year ago, and Kate started a few months after that. They each started with just one capsule, but I ramped Meg up pretty quickly and saw surges each time. Don't be afraid to ramp up to high doses of fish oils. Some parents here are seeing spectacular results! They are really just food - like adding canola or olive oil to the diet - and they're so healthy that almost everyone could see some benefit from them! Of course, I'm not a medical professional... Kerri > > > > Going into the Cherab website I have found information that the > trials > > were done using ProEFA and that the best dosage was EPA 148 mg; > DHA 99 > > mg; GLA 40 mg. > > > > I also found information there that said that an actual range > should > > be EPA 150 to 250 mg; DHA around 100 mg; GLA 30 to 50 mg. > > > > The ProEFA label shown in your shop-in-service site shows the > dosages > > listed above, in the first paragraph. However, the Nordic Naturals > > site that I visited lists per 2 soft gels, so if you used 1 soft > gel > > per day, it would be EPA 135 mg; DHA 90 mg; and GLA 33 mg. > According > > to the first critera which you used in testing, these levels are a > > little low. > > > > You also name Efalex as being a good one to use. I see that 2 caps > > contain EPA 30 mg; DHA 130 mg; GLA 25 mg. I emailed the Efamol > > company in the UK for their label information, as I have not been > able > > to find Efalex here and therefore have not been able to get that > > information. These amount are way different from the original > criteria. > > > > You also name EyeQ as being an effective product. Their capsules, > > using 2 500mg capsules, or using the liquid, the amount would be > EPA > > 186mg; DHA 58 mg; GLA 20 mg. If you used the sachet it would be > EPA > > 275 mg; DHA 100 mg; GLA 31 mg. > > > > I am absolutely and utterly confused. I thought the amounts of > EPA, > > DHA, and GLA were fairly critical and should be in a particular > > proportion to one another. > > > > Even though the ProEFA has diffrent amounts used than what you > used in > > the trials, it seems the closest to what was used in the trials. > > However, it contains lemon oil, and our two-year-old who has > apraxia, > > is allergic to citrus. I am trying to find out now whether maybe > > lemon oil isn't very acidic as compared to lemon juice, hoping that > > possibly Pro EFA with the lemon oil would be okay to use. It is > very > > worrisome. If it isn't okay, then I just plain don't know what to > do. > > These products are all so different from what was used in the > trials. > > And anyway, I haven't even been able to find Efalex or EyeQ. > > > > I have checked a number of other companies' products and can't find > > anything close to the original ProEFA used in the trials. I don't > > want to mess up. I think it might be difficult enough to get him > to > > take the bad-tasting oil, and for sure I want to be using the right > > EFA product that will help the most. > > > > Please, please, please tell me what I am supposed to be doing here. > > We are extremely anxious to get our son started on EFA's. What are > > the names of some of the products you are successfully using? > Where > > do you purchase them? What stores are they in? > > > > Do the children take the fish oil squeezed from the capsule? The > > taste must be awful (of course that is why the lemon oil is in the > > ProEFA, to make it more palatable.). Do you use an eyedropper to > get > > it into the mouth? > > > > I have been tormenting over this, and I just can't find out what I > > need to know. Please help me with this. > > > > Thank you. Suzanne > > > > > > *http://www.cherab. org/information/ dietaryeffects/ efabasics. html > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Hi Kerri, Thank you so much for your help. As you can tell, this is all very new to us, and I really appreciate your taking the time to answer. When you switch to the liquid Omega 3-6-9 how much of that will you give your daughters? I'm curious as to how old they are and how long they have been on the EFA's. I don't even know if I am using this groups thing right or not, and whether I should be replying to you in this manner. Thanks again, Suzanne [ ] Re: EFA's--please explain Suzanne, Try not to get too worked up about having exactly the right dose right from the start. Many of us have done a little trial and error and gone with whatever has worked best. For us that has been a 2 to 1 ratio of Pro-EFA (aka Complete Omega 3-6-9) to EPA (aka Pro-EPA). Both are from Nordic Naturals, and yes both contain the lemon oil. In my opinion, it would be best for you to first find something that your son will take and that won't bother him. I do believe that some of the other companies make lemon-free, but I'm sorry I don't have info on that. In any case, getting your son on ANY dose of and EPA-containing product is a good first step. Over time, you can find better dosages and ratios of all the EFAs, and if you want you can try to go to a much higher dose like some of us have. There have been many posts in the past about how to get the oils into kids. In the past, we've stirred it into yogurt or applesauce, taken it on a spoon, and squeezed it over mandarin oranges (all of these methods worked well for a time). Recently I've been making a small " special drink " of 10 caps of the 3-6-9 with a little white grape juice, and my daughters " race " to drink the most the quickest. They use a straw, which helps with the funny taste because the liquid mostly bypasses the tongue, and they each get one small piece of dark chocolate when they're done. Some may object to this method, but it's worked 100% of the time! As soon as we run out of the capsules (I bought a 6-month supply), I'm going to switch to the liquid version of Omega 3-6-9. Much easier than piercing 10 caps a night! Hope this helps! Kerri > > Going into the Cherab website I have found information that the trials > were done using ProEFA and that the best dosage was EPA 148 mg; DHA 99 > mg; GLA 40 mg. > > I also found information there that said that an actual range should > be EPA 150 to 250 mg; DHA around 100 mg; GLA 30 to 50 mg. > > The ProEFA label shown in your shop-in-service site shows the dosages > listed above, in the first paragraph. However, the Nordic Naturals > site that I visited lists per 2 soft gels, so if you used 1 soft gel > per day, it would be EPA 135 mg; DHA 90 mg; and GLA 33 mg. According > to the first critera which you used in testing, these levels are a > little low. > > You also name Efalex as being a good one to use. I see that 2 caps > contain EPA 30 mg; DHA 130 mg; GLA 25 mg. I emailed the Efamol > company in the UK for their label information, as I have not been able > to find Efalex here and therefore have not been able to get that > information. These amount are way different from the original criteria. > > You also name EyeQ as being an effective product. Their capsules, > using 2 500mg capsules, or using the liquid, the amount would be EPA > 186mg; DHA 58 mg; GLA 20 mg. If you used the sachet it would be EPA > 275 mg; DHA 100 mg; GLA 31 mg. > > I am absolutely and utterly confused. I thought the amounts of EPA, > DHA, and GLA were fairly critical and should be in a particular > proportion to one another. > > Even though the ProEFA has diffrent amounts used than what you used in > the trials, it seems the closest to what was used in the trials. > However, it contains lemon oil, and our two-year-old who has apraxia, > is allergic to citrus. I am trying to find out now whether maybe > lemon oil isn't very acidic as compared to lemon juice, hoping that > possibly Pro EFA with the lemon oil would be okay to use. It is very > worrisome. If it isn't okay, then I just plain don't know what to do. > These products are all so different from what was used in the trials. > And anyway, I haven't even been able to find Efalex or EyeQ. > > I have checked a number of other companies' products and can't find > anything close to the original ProEFA used in the trials. I don't > want to mess up. I think it might be difficult enough to get him to > take the bad-tasting oil, and for sure I want to be using the right > EFA product that will help the most. > > Please, please, please tell me what I am supposed to be doing here. > We are extremely anxious to get our son started on EFA's. What are > the names of some of the products you are successfully using? Where > do you purchase them? What stores are they in? > > Do the children take the fish oil squeezed from the capsule? The > taste must be awful (of course that is why the lemon oil is in the > ProEFA, to make it more palatable.). Do you use an eyedropper to get > it into the mouth? > > I have been tormenting over this, and I just can't find out what I > need to know. Please help me with this. > > Thank you. Suzanne > > > *http://www.cherab. org/information/ dietaryeffects/ efabasics. html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Suzanne, When you hit reply like you did, everyone gets the message. You can also email privately. Either option is fine, depending on your intentions. If I remember right, I think that 1 capsule of 3-6-9 is equal to 1/4 tsp. of the liquid. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. If that's the right conversion, I would use about 2 tsp for the special drink, which they split but Meg always gets more. Before I started using the special drink, I was giving Meg (who's almost 4 and has pretty mush resolved apraxia) 4 caps 3-6-9 and 2 caps EPA, and Kate (who just turned 2 and has no speech problems) 2 caps 3-6-9 and 1 EPA. Meg started taking EFAs a little over a year ago, and Kate started a few months after that. They each started with just one capsule, but I ramped Meg up pretty quickly and saw surges each time. Don't be afraid to ramp up to high doses of fish oils. Some parents here are seeing spectacular results! They are really just food - like adding canola or olive oil to the diet - and they're so healthy that almost everyone could see some benefit from them! Of course, I'm not a medical professional... Kerri > > > > Going into the Cherab website I have found information that the > trials > > were done using ProEFA and that the best dosage was EPA 148 mg; > DHA 99 > > mg; GLA 40 mg. > > > > I also found information there that said that an actual range > should > > be EPA 150 to 250 mg; DHA around 100 mg; GLA 30 to 50 mg. > > > > The ProEFA label shown in your shop-in-service site shows the > dosages > > listed above, in the first paragraph. However, the Nordic Naturals > > site that I visited lists per 2 soft gels, so if you used 1 soft > gel > > per day, it would be EPA 135 mg; DHA 90 mg; and GLA 33 mg. > According > > to the first critera which you used in testing, these levels are a > > little low. > > > > You also name Efalex as being a good one to use. I see that 2 caps > > contain EPA 30 mg; DHA 130 mg; GLA 25 mg. I emailed the Efamol > > company in the UK for their label information, as I have not been > able > > to find Efalex here and therefore have not been able to get that > > information. These amount are way different from the original > criteria. > > > > You also name EyeQ as being an effective product. Their capsules, > > using 2 500mg capsules, or using the liquid, the amount would be > EPA > > 186mg; DHA 58 mg; GLA 20 mg. If you used the sachet it would be > EPA > > 275 mg; DHA 100 mg; GLA 31 mg. > > > > I am absolutely and utterly confused. I thought the amounts of > EPA, > > DHA, and GLA were fairly critical and should be in a particular > > proportion to one another. > > > > Even though the ProEFA has diffrent amounts used than what you > used in > > the trials, it seems the closest to what was used in the trials. > > However, it contains lemon oil, and our two-year-old who has > apraxia, > > is allergic to citrus. I am trying to find out now whether maybe > > lemon oil isn't very acidic as compared to lemon juice, hoping that > > possibly Pro EFA with the lemon oil would be okay to use. It is > very > > worrisome. If it isn't okay, then I just plain don't know what to > do. > > These products are all so different from what was used in the > trials. > > And anyway, I haven't even been able to find Efalex or EyeQ. > > > > I have checked a number of other companies' products and can't find > > anything close to the original ProEFA used in the trials. I don't > > want to mess up. I think it might be difficult enough to get him > to > > take the bad-tasting oil, and for sure I want to be using the right > > EFA product that will help the most. > > > > Please, please, please tell me what I am supposed to be doing here. > > We are extremely anxious to get our son started on EFA's. What are > > the names of some of the products you are successfully using? > Where > > do you purchase them? What stores are they in? > > > > Do the children take the fish oil squeezed from the capsule? The > > taste must be awful (of course that is why the lemon oil is in the > > ProEFA, to make it more palatable.). Do you use an eyedropper to > get > > it into the mouth? > > > > I have been tormenting over this, and I just can't find out what I > > need to know. Please help me with this. > > > > Thank you. Suzanne > > > > > > *http://www.cherab. org/information/ dietaryeffects/ efabasics. html > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I know some parents who can take the child off EFAs after they surge to normal or close to it - and they don't regress when off or surge again when on. That's the point you can stop them if you wanted. You can find these stories in the archives -my favorite: Some continue to give them to the child anyway -just like a vitamin...because they are healthy. Besides -today there are studies that those that take EFAs in school have an edge. But again if your question is 'can' you stop them at some point...yes some can. Read below an incredible story from Martha called " On the other side " Below is an archive on this with a quote from another Martha -the neurologist Dr. Martha Herbert when I commented to her that I still couldn't stop Tanner at 8: Re: If you don't like fish oil....what about some bacon oil?! Colleen, in one of the links I sent earlier -it went into the fact that these pigs are genetically engineered. Here is a quote from that article: " The Food and Drug Administration has never approved food derived from genetically engineered animals. They're considered medicine and require extensive testing. Researchers say they will use their genetically engineered pigs to study human disease. " http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4685255 I once posted an article by the out of the box thinker pediatric neurologist Martha Herbert MD PhD (who was one of the reviewers of The Late Talker book) in which you will find the following quote: " Today the vast majority of foods in supermarkets contain genetically modified substances whose effects on our health are unknown. As a medical doctor, I can assure you that no one in the medical profession would attempt to perform experiments on human subjects without their consent. Such conduct is illegal and unethical. Yet manufacturers of genetically altered foods are exposing us to one of the largest uncontrolled experiments in modern history. " --Dr. Martha R. Herbert, pediatric neurologist [1] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/harvest/exist/yes1.html http://www.mindfully.org/GE/Uncontrolled-Experiment3sep00.htm She's also the one who said to me when I spoke to her about how I still couldn't stop giving Tanner fish oils (at 8?) " Why would you even want to stop them? They are essential fatty acids that are essential to our bodies. Our bodies can't produce them so we need to consume them, yet they are virtually lacking in our diets today. I know I feel better when I take them " " Our bodies can't produce them so we need to consume them " Perhaps that statement is one that will be outdated. Shiver!! (and this little piggie went omega 3, omega 3, omega 3 all the way home) ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Suzanne, Some kids are able to stop them with no negatives, some are not. I personally don't care anymore. They are so good for you, I never want to stop! Meg's apraxia didn't resolve with just fish oil. We used many other supplements and diets. But the fish oil was very important and pretty much the only thing we continue to use. Kerri > > Kerri, > > Are the children, such as Meg, whose apraxia is pretty much resolved, thank heaven, ever able to get off the EFA supplements? Do they just have to continue increasing dosages all their lives? > > You have had such wonderful results--such a tremendous joy that is. > > Thank you. > > Suzanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Kerri, Are the children, such as Meg, whose apraxia is pretty much resolved, thank heaven, ever able to get off the EFA supplements? Do they just have to continue increasing dosages all their lives? You have had such wonderful results--such a tremendous joy that is. Thank you. Suzanne [ ] Re: EFA's--please explain Suzanne, When you hit reply like you did, everyone gets the message. You can also email privately. Either option is fine, depending on your intentions. If I remember right, I think that 1 capsule of 3-6-9 is equal to 1/4 tsp. of the liquid. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. If that's the right conversion, I would use about 2 tsp for the special drink, which they split but Meg always gets more. Before I started using the special drink, I was giving Meg (who's almost 4 and has pretty mush resolved apraxia) 4 caps 3-6-9 and 2 caps EPA, and Kate (who just turned 2 and has no speech problems) 2 caps 3-6-9 and 1 EPA. Meg started taking EFAs a little over a year ago, and Kate started a few months after that. They each started with just one capsule, but I ramped Meg up pretty quickly and saw surges each time. Don't be afraid to ramp up to high doses of fish oils. Some parents here are seeing spectacular results! They are really just food - like adding canola or olive oil to the diet - and they're so healthy that almost everyone could see some benefit from them! Of course, I'm not a medical professional. .. Kerri > > > > Going into the Cherab website I have found information that the > trials > > were done using ProEFA and that the best dosage was EPA 148 mg; > DHA 99 > > mg; GLA 40 mg. > > > > I also found information there that said that an actual range > should > > be EPA 150 to 250 mg; DHA around 100 mg; GLA 30 to 50 mg. > > > > The ProEFA label shown in your shop-in-service site shows the > dosages > > listed above, in the first paragraph. However, the Nordic Naturals > > site that I visited lists per 2 soft gels, so if you used 1 soft > gel > > per day, it would be EPA 135 mg; DHA 90 mg; and GLA 33 mg. > According > > to the first critera which you used in testing, these levels are a > > little low. > > > > You also name Efalex as being a good one to use. I see that 2 caps > > contain EPA 30 mg; DHA 130 mg; GLA 25 mg. I emailed the Efamol > > company in the UK for their label information, as I have not been > able > > to find Efalex here and therefore have not been able to get that > > information. These amount are way different from the original > criteria. > > > > You also name EyeQ as being an effective product. Their capsules, > > using 2 500mg capsules, or using the liquid, the amount would be > EPA > > 186mg; DHA 58 mg; GLA 20 mg. If you used the sachet it would be > EPA > > 275 mg; DHA 100 mg; GLA 31 mg. > > > > I am absolutely and utterly confused. I thought the amounts of > EPA, > > DHA, and GLA were fairly critical and should be in a particular > > proportion to one another. > > > > Even though the ProEFA has diffrent amounts used than what you > used in > > the trials, it seems the closest to what was used in the trials. > > However, it contains lemon oil, and our two-year-old who has > apraxia, > > is allergic to citrus. I am trying to find out now whether maybe > > lemon oil isn't very acidic as compared to lemon juice, hoping that > > possibly Pro EFA with the lemon oil would be okay to use. It is > very > > worrisome. If it isn't okay, then I just plain don't know what to > do. > > These products are all so different from what was used in the > trials. > > And anyway, I haven't even been able to find Efalex or EyeQ. > > > > I have checked a number of other companies' products and can't find > > anything close to the original ProEFA used in the trials. I don't > > want to mess up. I think it might be difficult enough to get him > to > > take the bad-tasting oil, and for sure I want to be using the right > > EFA product that will help the most. > > > > Please, please, please tell me what I am supposed to be doing here. > > We are extremely anxious to get our son started on EFA's. What are > > the names of some of the products you are successfully using? > Where > > do you purchase them? What stores are they in? > > > > Do the children take the fish oil squeezed from the capsule? The > > taste must be awful (of course that is why the lemon oil is in the > > ProEFA, to make it more palatable.). Do you use an eyedropper to > get > > it into the mouth? > > > > I have been tormenting over this, and I just can't find out what I > > need to know. Please help me with this. > > > > Thank you. Suzanne > > > > > > http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efabasics.html > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I know some parents who can take the child off EFAs after they surge to normal or close to it - and they don't regress when off or surge again when on. That's the point you can stop them if you wanted. You can find these stories in the archives -my favorite: Some continue to give them to the child anyway -just like a vitamin...because they are healthy. Besides -today there are studies that those that take EFAs in school have an edge. But again if your question is 'can' you stop them at some point...yes some can. Read below an incredible story from Martha called " On the other side " Below is an archive on this with a quote from another Martha -the neurologist Dr. Martha Herbert when I commented to her that I still couldn't stop Tanner at 8: Re: If you don't like fish oil....what about some bacon oil?! Colleen, in one of the links I sent earlier -it went into the fact that these pigs are genetically engineered. Here is a quote from that article: " The Food and Drug Administration has never approved food derived from genetically engineered animals. They're considered medicine and require extensive testing. Researchers say they will use their genetically engineered pigs to study human disease. " http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4685255 I once posted an article by the out of the box thinker pediatric neurologist Martha Herbert MD PhD (who was one of the reviewers of The Late Talker book) in which you will find the following quote: " Today the vast majority of foods in supermarkets contain genetically modified substances whose effects on our health are unknown. As a medical doctor, I can assure you that no one in the medical profession would attempt to perform experiments on human subjects without their consent. Such conduct is illegal and unethical. Yet manufacturers of genetically altered foods are exposing us to one of the largest uncontrolled experiments in modern history. " --Dr. Martha R. Herbert, pediatric neurologist [1] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/harvest/exist/yes1.html http://www.mindfully.org/GE/Uncontrolled-Experiment3sep00.htm She's also the one who said to me when I spoke to her about how I still couldn't stop giving Tanner fish oils (at 8?) " Why would you even want to stop them? They are essential fatty acids that are essential to our bodies. Our bodies can't produce them so we need to consume them, yet they are virtually lacking in our diets today. I know I feel better when I take them " " Our bodies can't produce them so we need to consume them " Perhaps that statement is one that will be outdated. Shiver!! (and this little piggie went omega 3, omega 3, omega 3 all the way home) ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Suzanne, Some kids are able to stop them with no negatives, some are not. I personally don't care anymore. They are so good for you, I never want to stop! Meg's apraxia didn't resolve with just fish oil. We used many other supplements and diets. But the fish oil was very important and pretty much the only thing we continue to use. Kerri > > Kerri, > > Are the children, such as Meg, whose apraxia is pretty much resolved, thank heaven, ever able to get off the EFA supplements? Do they just have to continue increasing dosages all their lives? > > You have had such wonderful results--such a tremendous joy that is. > > Thank you. > > Suzanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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