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> At the end of the hour, he says, well, we need another appointment because

I don't know what we're dealing with here.

>

> Oh. OK. What, do I have some rare and previously undiscovered strain of

crazy??????

>

The man is bonkers. Have your doctor find a psychiatrist to have this

lunatic assessed and then he can get himself assessed for even considering

sending you to this looney-tune.

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Uh, yeah...why DO you need to see this dork? I would call your doc

back and say no way, he's a jerk. Besides..you and she do seem to be

handling your care quite well, and if the fibro is in question than

you should be seeing a rheumatologist! Ugh.

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I agree with everyone else. I wouldn't go. I would complain to the dr that

gave you the referal that you do not like this dr (tell your dr. that he

told you he wasn't listening to you) and that you refuse to see him again.

If your dr wants to see a psych then your dr needs to find someone that you

like and isn't a total butthead.

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> i agree with salli and monique. i wouldn't go.

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> I hate this man. I have no idea how I'm going to do this.

> Even worse, I don't know WHY I have to do this!!!!!!!

So don't do it. Call, cancel and totally blow him off.

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I hate those people. On 's forms her psy wrote something like Mom

denies drug use and mother believes vitamin suppliments helped her daughter

to aquire language. Screw it if you don;t want to go don't!

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Jacquie,

I'm sorry you went through such an experience. Psychiatrists are medical

doctors, and more often than not, they lack counseling skills and

compassion. There's nothing wrong with YOU, although it sounds like HE

might have narcissistic personality disorder.

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this sounds very irritating indeed. i can magine myself in that position i

would be very defensive and standoffish not knowing why i was referred. your a

clever woman -judging by his questions can you figure out what he is trying to

uncover?? i hope you can talk to your doc before your next appt.

M.G.mum to

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Rowan, 6 extra quirky (ASD)

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Wow Jacquie, It sounds like some really bad nightmare...or a horror

movie plot.

I sure hope you can talk to the doctor so she can..um...cough up an

explaination.

oh, if they commit you, who will you leave the group to.

(I'm ribbing you :D)

>

> This is a completely gratuitious rant about nothing to do with the

list at all. Feel free to skip and delete. I just need to write it

out and send it into the world...

>

> Weeks ago, we got a call that an appointment came up for the

psychiatrist my general practitioner had referred me to. REFERRED ME

TO?! I knew NOTHING about it, and her nurse hasn't returned my

bloody calls. I WANT to know WHY I was referred when she and *I*

have it all under control!

>

> This morning was the appointment. Despite my feeling VERY

disgruntled, I vowed to like this guy and make the best of it and

find out what the hell is going on.

>

> So I drove the 45 minutes to the hospital, went up to psychiatric

outpatients, signed it. Receptionist told me that his office was at

the end of the hall, and he'd come to chairs to get me -- I'd know

him because " He looks like Sigmund Freud. " GREAT.

>

> So I wait, he comes, he looks like Freud. But instead of a tweed

jacket, he's wearing a blue turtleneck, blue slacks, and blue boots

with a silver buckle.

>

> We sit down. He tells me that he's going to do an assessment of

me, that it will probably take several visits. He's Russian.

Barking and abrupt. I say, " I don't know why I've been referred to

you. " He SHRUGS and shows me the referral form. It says, in my

doctor's handwriting, " 31yo female w/bipolar and ?fibromyalgia. "

THAT'S ALL.

>

> So he takes a PHOTOGRAPH of me for his records, and settles down to

barking questions at me. He listens to what I say, then

says, " Stop, " and takes a full minute to write. Then gestures for me

to go on. And so on. This goes on for half an hour, with him

challenging things I say and trying to force me to say SOMETHING, but

I don't know what. At one point, I think he gestures at me, and I go

on. When I finish, he says, " I wasn't listening. What did you

say? " WTF?????????? Isn't listening his fucking JOB????

>

> Half the things I say, he acts as if he doubts me. He keeps

focusing on irrelevant things. HALF the questions he asks, I start

to answer and then he says, " I know, but WHAT do you mean? " I MEAN

WHAT I SAID!

>

> At the end of the hour, he says, well, we need another appointment

because I don't know what we're dealing with here.

>

> Oh. OK. What, do I have some rare and previously undiscovered

strain of crazy??????

>

> I hate this man. I have no idea how I'm going to do this. Even

worse, I don't know WHY I have to do this!!!!!!!

>

>

AAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Jacquie

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So he takes a PHOTOGRAPH of me for his records, and settles down to

barking questions at me. He listens to what I say, then says, " Stop, "

and takes a full minute to write. Then gestures for me to go on. And

so on. This goes on for half an hour, with him challenging things I say

and trying to force me to say SOMETHING, but I don't know what. At one

point, I think he gestures at me, and I go on. When I finish, he says,

" I wasn't listening. What did you say? " WTF?????????? Isn't listening

his fucking JOB????

[>>] Idiot. Some psychiatris feel they are superior I hate that.

Half the things I say, he acts as if he doubts me. He keeps focusing on

irrelevant things. HALF the questions he asks, I start to answer and

then he says, " I know, but WHAT do you mean? " I MEAN WHAT I SAID!

At the end of the hour, he says, well, we need another appointment

because I don't know what we're dealing with here.

Oh. OK. What, do I have some rare and previously undiscovered strain

of crazy??????

I hate this man. I have no idea how I'm going to do this. Even worse,

I don't know WHY I have to do this!!!!!!!

[>>] Ok. Do you have to do this?

AAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!

[>>] {{{{{{{{{ Jacquie[>>] }}}}}}}}}}}}}}

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i am glad you got an appt with your family doc - she owes you some answers!!

M.G.mum to

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Rowan, 6 extra quirky (ASD)

married to and living in Northern Ontario

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Definitely call your Dr. and ask why you were sent to him. Then if she

hasn't anything important as a reason, tell her you don't like him and then

don't go back. He certainly doesn't sound like someone a person could

relate to!

Sue

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Yikes Jacquie...

If I were you, I'd run like hell the other way...This doesn't sound like it

would be good for you at all!

Penny

OT - I AM SO IRRITATED!

This is a completely gratuitious rant about nothing to do with the list at

all. Feel free to skip and delete. I just need to write it out and send it

into the world...

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This is a completely gratuitious rant about nothing to do with the list at all.

Feel free to skip and delete. I just need to write it out and send it into the

world...

Weeks ago, we got a call that an appointment came up for the psychiatrist my

general practitioner had referred me to. REFERRED ME TO?! I knew NOTHING

about it, and her nurse hasn't returned my bloody calls. I WANT to know WHY I

was referred when she and *I* have it all under control!

This morning was the appointment. Despite my feeling VERY disgruntled, I vowed

to like this guy and make the best of it and find out what the hell is going on.

So I drove the 45 minutes to the hospital, went up to psychiatric outpatients,

signed it. Receptionist told me that his office was at the end of the hall, and

he'd come to chairs to get me -- I'd know him because " He looks like Sigmund

Freud. " GREAT.

So I wait, he comes, he looks like Freud. But instead of a tweed jacket, he's

wearing a blue turtleneck, blue slacks, and blue boots with a silver buckle.

We sit down. He tells me that he's going to do an assessment of me, that it

will probably take several visits. He's Russian. Barking and abrupt. I say,

" I don't know why I've been referred to you. " He SHRUGS and shows me the

referral form. It says, in my doctor's handwriting, " 31yo female w/bipolar and

?fibromyalgia. " THAT'S ALL.

So he takes a PHOTOGRAPH of me for his records, and settles down to barking

questions at me. He listens to what I say, then says, " Stop, " and takes a full

minute to write. Then gestures for me to go on. And so on. This goes on for

half an hour, with him challenging things I say and trying to force me to say

SOMETHING, but I don't know what. At one point, I think he gestures at me, and

I go on. When I finish, he says, " I wasn't listening. What did you say? "

WTF?????????? Isn't listening his fucking JOB????

Half the things I say, he acts as if he doubts me. He keeps focusing on

irrelevant things. HALF the questions he asks, I start to answer and then he

says, " I know, but WHAT do you mean? " I MEAN WHAT I SAID!

At the end of the hour, he says, well, we need another appointment because I

don't know what we're dealing with here.

Oh. OK. What, do I have some rare and previously undiscovered strain of

crazy??????

I hate this man. I have no idea how I'm going to do this. Even worse, I don't

know WHY I have to do this!!!!!!!

AAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jacquie

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Geez, could that BE more condescending?

:/

Penny

....... On 's forms her psy wrote something like Mom

denies drug use and mother believes vitamin suppliments helped her daughter

to aquire language......

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Ack! I missed this! I had pages like that written about me in Greggory's medical

records. So one day I just ripped those pages out and threw them away. :P

Jacquie H

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Geez, could that BE more condescending?

:/

Penny

...... On 's forms her psy wrote something like Mom

denies drug use and mother believes vitamin suppliments helped her daughter

to aquire language......

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>your a clever woman -judging by his questions can you figure out what he is

trying to uncover??

No! I don't know! I'm DEATHLY afraid he's trying to prove that I'm

absolutely sane and then take away my lithium.

He asked a couple leading questions about OCD, but I don't have it. I know

it, and he knows it.

i hope you can talk to your doc before your next appt.

>

Already made it. :-) My next appt with HIM is supposed to be May 1st, and I

managed to get into my family doc on March 28th. Whew.

Jacquie

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Ok from a medical point of view, documenting subjective statements

like this is really hard to do. There is a whole list of guidelines

in documentation and you guys just have no idea how careful you have

to be. First, he has to state exactly what the patient tells him.

Is the statement he wrote false? If so, then yes, big problem.

Maybe it would have been better if he had written patient stated " I

started my child on vitamins and a week later he was talking " .

Most often, parents won't say a direct statement like this, they'll

elaborate, so you can see how hard that would be to put in direct

quotes. He probably didn't tied the two statements together in the

way that you're reading it. Remember, the doctor usually will

transcribe his notes into a recorder directly from what notes he took

in the office. Then a transcriptionist will type them out on paper.

The whole idea of documentation, is to get the most accurate

information into the smallest amount of words possible.

I know that lay people often will read a chart and be totally

offended to what looks to us as fair and accurate charting. An

example: A miscarriage is often documented as a spontaneous abortion

(legal term), a parent who would read that might flip out because of

the word abortion.

Next the doctor usually will chart his objective data. These are

concrete things that he can smell,see, taste, and feel...concrete

facts. A doctor may also put his interpretation of what he believes,

or impression. This would give you the most information on what he

is actually feeling or believing.

Hope I tried to bridge that gap a little!

> Geez, could that BE more condescending?

>

> :/

>

> Penny

>

> ...... On 's forms her psy wrote something like Mom

> denies drug use and mother believes vitamin suppliments helped her

daughter

> to aquire language......

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> I hate this man. I have no idea how I'm going to do this. Even worse,

> I don't know WHY I have to do this!!!!!!!

>

> [>>] Ok. Do you have to do this?

Don't know, Cecilia. I'm going to ask my family doc that when I see her in

three weeks. I HOPE not.

Jacquie

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Sorry I'm replying so late, Jaquie, it's been a rough

week and I'm hopelessly behind.

I would complain about this psych and your doctor.

It's outrageous that you should be treated this way.

And I wouldn't go back to this man. EVER.

Tuna

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Weeks ago, we got a call that an appointment came up

for the psychiatrist my general practitioner had

referred me to. REFERRED ME TO?! I knew NOTHING

about it, and her nurse hasn't returned my bloody

calls. I WANT to know WHY I was referred when she and

*I* have it all under control!

Oh. OK. What, do I have some rare and previously

undiscovered strain of crazy??????

I hate this man. I have no idea how I'm going to do

this. Even worse, I don't know WHY I have to do

this!!!!!!!

AAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jacquie

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

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Ok...I'll buy that ;-)

I have to say though, that professionals need to REMEMBER that the people

who get the reports are PARENTS and CAREGIVERS. They really need to make

sure that the parents understand what is being reported and that it's

accurate.

Jacqui's evaluation looked a lot like what posted. And I understand

that they are statements of fact. I also know that the transriptionist

screwed up quite a few things.

So, what is a parent to think?

I'm not being defensive here or anything....LOL....but for $600, I want the

report to project what really happened.

Penny - who is totally botching this post, but gonna send it anyway...lol

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Ok from a medical point of view, documenting subjective statements

like this is really hard to do. There is a whole list of guidelines

in documentation and you guys just have no idea how careful you have

to be. First, he has to state exactly what the patient tells him.

Is the statement he wrote false? If so, then yes, big problem.

Maybe it would have been better if he had written patient stated " I

started my child on vitamins and a week later he was talking " .

>>>>>>>

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I have to disagree with this. The documentation must be factual, and

can never be distorted to 'go easy' on whoever might be offended by

reading it. Anyone who would have access to this chart would

understand the rules of documenatation and therefore would know that

when it says 'patient denied drug use', that it means just that. No

medical professional would ever interpret that to mean " we believe

the patient used drugs, but denies doing so " . If there was evidence

or suspection of drug use, then that should be documented as well.

Another example. Patient denies pain in affected area. That

statement is factual. If I thought a patient was lying about this,

I would document like this: " patient denies pain in the affected

area, but grimaces when touched, says 'ow' and pushes away my hand

when attempting treatment " Now that would indicate that the patient

is acting stoic, or simply is not responding correctly to the

question of pain. This situation very well could happen with an

alzheimer's patient or someone who would be unable to verbalize

correctly.

My point is this. You do not want a medical professional to document

anything other than this way. You would be opening a rather

frightening situation if you left opinion to come into play in how to

chart this type of data.

> -

> Ok...I'll buy that ;-)

>

> I have to say though, that professionals need to REMEMBER that the

people

> who get the reports are PARENTS and CAREGIVERS. They really need

to make

> sure that the parents understand what is being reported and that

it's

> accurate.

>

> Jacqui's evaluation looked a lot like what posted. And I

understand

> that they are statements of fact. I also know that the

transriptionist

> screwed up quite a few things.

>

> So, what is a parent to think?

>

> I'm not being defensive here or anything....LOL....but for $600, I

want the

> report to project what really happened.

>

> Penny - who is totally botching this post, but gonna send it

anyway...lol

>

>

> Re: OT - I AM SO IRRITATED!

>

>

> Ok from a medical point of view, documenting subjective statements

> like this is really hard to do. There is a whole list of guidelines

> in documentation and you guys just have no idea how careful you have

> to be. First, he has to state exactly what the patient tells him.

> Is the statement he wrote false? If so, then yes, big problem.

> Maybe it would have been better if he had written patient stated " I

> started my child on vitamins and a week later he was talking " .

> >>>>>>>

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I'm really glad. I can see why you might think he was trying to

indicate something else there, but from how I read it, it was

accurately documented. I'm kindof surprised that they would let you

have your chart like that. Even my doctor won't let anyone just come

in and read it, they must have a nurse there to help decipher it

who would type more but can't cuz zach is screaming on my lap

> Thanks . That does help me feel a little better.

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