Apraxia and Toxic Metals

[Guest guest]

I was wondering if anyone has done a test on their apraxic child for

toxic metals. I've been doing a ton of research on the internet and

wondering if some of the therapies for removing toxic metals such as

mercury, etc, would be beneficial. I saw something on a clay bath

that is used for autistic children. However, I have no clue if he

even has these " metals " in his system.

Also, I have a 4 month old who will be going through the

vaccinations and I'm pretty scared about that. I'm already

arranging for the MMR shots to be given separately just in case.

I'm not sure if there is mercury/thimerisol in the other shots

(DPT?) anymore. Any information or advice on that would be

appreciated. I'm already giving him the ProEFA daily as well as

probiotics for infants and colostrum supplements (since I'm not

breastfeeding).

I also got very scared about something that I read on the internet

about Poland Springs water. I drank Poland Springs water throughout

my entire pregnancy with both my boys. Turns out that they were

indicted in 2003 with a class action suit due to the way they were

making their water. Long story short, they were alleged to have

possible toxins in their water. Of course, I'm wondering if this

had anything to do with my son's apraxia.

I've become glued to the internet in search of answers for

prevention and/or cures for my children! I think this is driving my

husband nuts! If only I could devote this much time to my career.

I'm returning to work on 3/27, so I have to do my research now while

I have the time.

[Guest guest]

I have not done any testing for toxic metals, but I've considered it

(reading probably the same research as you). I've definitely heard

of Epsom salt baths, as well as clay baths being a more " natural "

way to remove toxic metals from the system. I don't think it could

hurt to try, but don't expect too much from them.

Thimerasol is still in flu shots, but you can request special

preservative free ones. For everyone: PLEASE DO NOT LET YOUR

CHILDREN GET SHOTS WITH MERCURY, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR DOCTOR SAYS!

There is no reason to take a chance with your child's health (this

goes for adults too, especially pregnant women!) - the CDC has

called for the immediate removal of thimerasol from all mandatory

vaccines but NOT flu shot. I have heard of children as old as 8

years old developing autism days after a flu shot.

I think that it's a good idea to get the separate shots for MMR.

You can also talk to your doctor about the possibility getting your

child immunized on a delayed schedule, spreading them out over the

first 5 years. NEVER LET YOUR DOCTOR GIVE YOUR CHILD AN

IMMUNIZATION IF THEY ARE EVEN THE LEAST BIT SICK! This is too

taxing for the immune system.

Good luck with your search for " the answers " . Many of us here are

searching with you...but please make sure that you're leaving

yourself enough time to enjoy your life and your children. It's

easy to get carried away - I know from experience!

Kerri

>

> I was wondering if anyone has done a test on their apraxic child

for

> toxic metals. I've been doing a ton of research on the internet

and

> wondering if some of the therapies for removing toxic metals such

as

> mercury, etc, would be beneficial. I saw something on a clay bath

> that is used for autistic children. However, I have no clue if he

> even has these " metals " in his system.

>

> Also, I have a 4 month old who will be going through the

> vaccinations and I'm pretty scared about that. I'm already

> arranging for the MMR shots to be given separately just in case.

> I'm not sure if there is mercury/thimerisol in the other shots

> (DPT?) anymore. Any information or advice on that would be

> appreciated. I'm already giving him the ProEFA daily as well as

> probiotics for infants and colostrum supplements (since I'm not

> breastfeeding).

>

> I also got very scared about something that I read on the internet

> about Poland Springs water. I drank Poland Springs water

throughout

> my entire pregnancy with both my boys. Turns out that they were

> indicted in 2003 with a class action suit due to the way they were

> making their water. Long story short, they were alleged to have

> possible toxins in their water. Of course, I'm wondering if this

> had anything to do with my son's apraxia.

>

> I've become glued to the internet in search of answers for

> prevention and/or cures for my children! I think this is driving

my

> husband nuts! If only I could devote this much time to my

career.

> I'm returning to work on 3/27, so I have to do my research now

while

> I have the time.

>

[Guest guest]

Kerri - thanks for the advice on the vaccinations! Unknowingly, we

did allow the first vaccination for our 2 month old. Hopefully it's

not too late to change strategy and go for either the mercury free

or staggered approach.

Has anyone here tried the detoxifying clay baths? I'm thinking of

trying this with my 2.4 year old but a little weary of what negative

effects it may have. Anyone with experience with this, please let

me know how it worked out.

> >

> > I was wondering if anyone has done a test on their apraxic child

> for

> > toxic metals. I've been doing a ton of research on the internet

> and

> > wondering if some of the therapies for removing toxic metals

such

> as

> > mercury, etc, would be beneficial. I saw something on a clay

bath

> > that is used for autistic children. However, I have no clue if

he

> > even has these " metals " in his system.

> >

> > Also, I have a 4 month old who will be going through the

> > vaccinations and I'm pretty scared about that. I'm already

> > arranging for the MMR shots to be given separately just in

case.

> > I'm not sure if there is mercury/thimerisol in the other shots

> > (DPT?) anymore. Any information or advice on that would be

> > appreciated. I'm already giving him the ProEFA daily as well as

> > probiotics for infants and colostrum supplements (since I'm not

> > breastfeeding).

> >

> > I also got very scared about something that I read on the

internet

> > about Poland Springs water. I drank Poland Springs water

> throughout

> > my entire pregnancy with both my boys. Turns out that they were

> > indicted in 2003 with a class action suit due to the way they

were

> > making their water. Long story short, they were alleged to have

> > possible toxins in their water. Of course, I'm wondering if

this

> > had anything to do with my son's apraxia.

> >

> > I've become glued to the internet in search of answers for

> > prevention and/or cures for my children! I think this is

driving

> my

> > husband nuts! If only I could devote this much time to my

> career.

> > I'm returning to work on 3/27, so I have to do my research now

> while

> > I have the time.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We are " chelating " which is what they call the process of removing toxic

heavy metals from my son's system (mercury, arsenic, lead); we believe his

autism

was brought on by his childhood immunizations unfortunately.

The good news is that he's lost his dx of severe apraxia and is well on his

way to losing the autism dx as well.

More info on the process and some links to studies claiming that other

disorders such as speech delays/apraxia and ADHD might be related to heavy

metals

can be found at www.generationrescue.org

-BJ

[Guest guest]

Thanks BJ! I'll check out the site and probably give the clay bath a

try. Great news about the recovery for your son!!

>

> We are " chelating " which is what they call the process of removing

toxic

> heavy metals from my son's system (mercury, arsenic, lead); we

believe his autism

> was brought on by his childhood immunizations unfortunately.

>

> The good news is that he's lost his dx of severe apraxia and is

well on his

> way to losing the autism dx as well.

>

> More info on the process and some links to studies claiming that

other

> disorders such as speech delays/apraxia and ADHD might be related

to heavy metals

> can be found at www.generationrescue.org

>

> -BJ

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-I have 2 questions on the detoxification program. First is where is

the clay from, and is it tested for lead? Every year you hear about

people getting sick from eating out of Mexican pottery due to the

high levels of lead found in the clay. Second, how much epsom salt

is in the tub, and how much water is added? I've heard some people

say 1/4 teaspoon of epsom salt to a full tub of water. I'm no

chemist, but is that small amount of magnesium significant enough to

chelate, or is the calming effect attributed to the bath more

associated with the relaxation effect warm water has on the body?

-- In , " Jeff "

<kerripat@...> wrote:

>

> I have not done any testing for toxic metals, but I've considered

it

> (reading probably the same research as you). I've definitely heard

> of Epsom salt baths, as well as clay baths being a more " natural "

> way to remove toxic metals from the system. I don't think it could

> hurt to try, but don't expect too much from them.

>

> Thimerasol is still in flu shots, but you can request special

> preservative free ones. For everyone: PLEASE DO NOT LET YOUR

> CHILDREN GET SHOTS WITH MERCURY, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR DOCTOR SAYS!

> There is no reason to take a chance with your child's health (this

> goes for adults too, especially pregnant women!) - the CDC has

> called for the immediate removal of thimerasol from all mandatory

> vaccines but NOT flu shot. I have heard of children as old as 8

> years old developing autism days after a flu shot.

>

> I think that it's a good idea to get the separate shots for MMR.

> You can also talk to your doctor about the possibility getting your

> child immunized on a delayed schedule, spreading them out over the

> first 5 years. NEVER LET YOUR DOCTOR GIVE YOUR CHILD AN

> IMMUNIZATION IF THEY ARE EVEN THE LEAST BIT SICK! This is too

> taxing for the immune system.

>

> Good luck with your search for " the answers " . Many of us here are

> searching with you...but please make sure that you're leaving

> yourself enough time to enjoy your life and your children. It's

> easy to get carried away - I know from experience!

>

> Kerri

>

>

> >

> > I was wondering if anyone has done a test on their apraxic child

> for

> > toxic metals. I've been doing a ton of research on the internet

> and

> > wondering if some of the therapies for removing toxic metals such

> as

> > mercury, etc, would be beneficial. I saw something on a clay

bath

> > that is used for autistic children. However, I have no clue if

he

> > even has these " metals " in his system.

> >

> > Also, I have a 4 month old who will be going through the

> > vaccinations and I'm pretty scared about that. I'm already

> > arranging for the MMR shots to be given separately just in case.

> > I'm not sure if there is mercury/thimerisol in the other shots

> > (DPT?) anymore. Any information or advice on that would be

> > appreciated. I'm already giving him the ProEFA daily as well as

> > probiotics for infants and colostrum supplements (since I'm not

> > breastfeeding).

> >

> > I also got very scared about something that I read on the

internet

> > about Poland Springs water. I drank Poland Springs water

> throughout

> > my entire pregnancy with both my boys. Turns out that they were

> > indicted in 2003 with a class action suit due to the way they

were

> > making their water. Long story short, they were alleged to have

> > possible toxins in their water. Of course, I'm wondering if this

> > had anything to do with my son's apraxia.

> >

> > I've become glued to the internet in search of answers for

> > prevention and/or cures for my children! I think this is driving

> my

> > husband nuts! If only I could devote this much time to my

> career.

> > I'm returning to work on 3/27, so I have to do my research now

> while

> > I have the time.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I really don't know the answers to your questions. I've

never used either clay or epsom salt baths. But here is a website I

found that has a lot of special clay baths for sale. I have no

knowledge of their safety or effectiveness, but I've purchased carn-

aware through this website. BTW, each page on this site is really

long - you have to scroll down a long way before you get to the

goods. Start by going to their autism page.

Does anyone have experience with the epsom salts? I know that you

can purchase them in the regular grocery store here, but I have no

idea how much to put in.

Kerri

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I forgot the link to the site I was talking about.

www.evenbetternow.com

Kerri

> > >

> > > I was wondering if anyone has done a test on their apraxic

child

> > for

> > > toxic metals. I've been doing a ton of research on the

internet

> > and

> > > wondering if some of the therapies for removing toxic metals

such

> > as

> > > mercury, etc, would be beneficial. I saw something on a clay

> bath

> > > that is used for autistic children. However, I have no clue

if

> he

> > > even has these " metals " in his system.

> > >

> > > Also, I have a 4 month old who will be going through the

> > > vaccinations and I'm pretty scared about that. I'm already

> > > arranging for the MMR shots to be given separately just in

case.

> > > I'm not sure if there is mercury/thimerisol in the other shots

> > > (DPT?) anymore. Any information or advice on that would be

> > > appreciated. I'm already giving him the ProEFA daily as well

as

> > > probiotics for infants and colostrum supplements (since I'm

not

> > > breastfeeding).

> > >

> > > I also got very scared about something that I read on the

> internet

> > > about Poland Springs water. I drank Poland Springs water

> > throughout

> > > my entire pregnancy with both my boys. Turns out that they

were

> > > indicted in 2003 with a class action suit due to the way they

> were

> > > making their water. Long story short, they were alleged to

have

> > > possible toxins in their water. Of course, I'm wondering if

this

> > > had anything to do with my son's apraxia.

> > >

> > > I've become glued to the internet in search of answers for

> > > prevention and/or cures for my children! I think this is

driving

> > my

> > > husband nuts! If only I could devote this much time to my

> > career.

> > > I'm returning to work on 3/27, so I have to do my research now

> > while

> > > I have the time.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's a great link! I ordered the LL's magnetic clay bath for my

apraxic son. I also ordered Carnosine from Carnaware. I'll keep

the group apprised of what results we find.

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering if anyone has done a test on their apraxic

> child

> > > for

> > > > toxic metals. I've been doing a ton of research on the

> internet

> > > and

> > > > wondering if some of the therapies for removing toxic metals

> such

> > > as

> > > > mercury, etc, would be beneficial. I saw something on a

clay

> > bath

> > > > that is used for autistic children. However, I have no clue

> if

> > he

> > > > even has these " metals " in his system.

> > > >

> > > > Also, I have a 4 month old who will be going through the

> > > > vaccinations and I'm pretty scared about that. I'm already

> > > > arranging for the MMR shots to be given separately just in

> case.

> > > > I'm not sure if there is mercury/thimerisol in the other

shots

> > > > (DPT?) anymore. Any information or advice on that would be

> > > > appreciated. I'm already giving him the ProEFA daily as

well

> as

> > > > probiotics for infants and colostrum supplements (since I'm

> not

> > > > breastfeeding).

> > > >

> > > > I also got very scared about something that I read on the

> > internet

> > > > about Poland Springs water. I drank Poland Springs water

> > > throughout

> > > > my entire pregnancy with both my boys. Turns out that they

> were

> > > > indicted in 2003 with a class action suit due to the way

they

> > were

> > > > making their water. Long story short, they were alleged to

> have

> > > > possible toxins in their water. Of course, I'm wondering if

> this

> > > > had anything to do with my son's apraxia.

> > > >

> > > > I've become glued to the internet in search of answers for

> > > > prevention and/or cures for my children! I think this is

> driving

> > > my

> > > > husband nuts! If only I could devote this much time to my

> > > career.

> > > > I'm returning to work on 3/27, so I have to do my research

now

> > > while

> > > > I have the time.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

I think it's improved her focus and attention span a bit. It's kind

of hard to tell - Meg has had amazing improvement in the last 6

months (from about 25 words to probably around 500 and putting whole

stories together, and from 13-month old visual motor skills to just

about age level - she's 3 years, 4 months). Her progress really got

jump-started when she started fish oils and increased therapy at

about the same time to 4 times per week. (BTW, fish oils also

helped with behavior and focus in her, although this could be

partially due to decrease in frustration!) I think about 3 months

later we started the carn-aware and noticed some small improvements,

and now being dairy-free for the last 3 weeks has made her want to

potty-train (seriously out of nowhere, 2 days after starting).

She's not fully trained yet, but she's getting it. As soon as I can

get up the nerve (and get to Whole Foods) we're going to go gluten-

free too. I'll let everyone know how that goes - wish me luck!

In summary, I think that carn-aware has been the least helpful of

the things we've tried so far. It will be the first to go, but I'm

not ready to give it up quite yet.

I should say that although Meg's made amazing gains in the last 6

months, she's not out of the woods yet. As her vocabulary has

increased, her therapists are now certain she has apraxia because of

the types of errors she makes. So we'll have to deal with it for

awhile, but for now I'm just so glad she's talking!

Kerri

>

> Have you seen any benefits of carn-aware? -

>

> [ ] Re: Apraxia and Toxic Metals

>

>

> I'm sorry, I really don't know the answers to your questions. I've

> never used either clay or epsom salt baths. But here is a website

I

> found that has a lot of special clay baths for sale. I have no

> knowledge of their safety or effectiveness, but I've purchased

carn-

> aware through this website. BTW, each page on this site is really

> long - you have to scroll down a long way before you get to the

> goods. Start by going to their autism page.

>

> Does anyone have experience with the epsom salts? I know that you

> can purchase them in the regular grocery store here, but I have no

> idea how much to put in.

>

> Kerri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. I'm still trying to understand the " science " of

it. I can't understand how magnesium is drawing in mercury as they are

both positively charged and should repel each other in the clay. But

keep us informed on progress (and maybe too the condition of your bath

tub drainpipe if the clay hardens in the pipes!)

Good Luck

>

> I'm sorry, I really don't know the answers to your questions. I've

> never used either clay or epsom salt baths. But here is a website I

> found that has a lot of special clay baths for sale. I have no

> knowledge of their safety or effectiveness, but I've purchased carn-

> aware through this website. BTW, each page on this site is really

> long - you have to scroll down a long way before you get to the

> goods. Start by going to their autism page.

>

> Does anyone have experience with the epsom salts? I know that you

> can purchase them in the regular grocery store here, but I have no

> idea how much to put in.

>

> Kerri

>

[Guest guest]

Epsom salts are great! We buy a cream from Kirkmans that lasts

forever and is much easier than the baths

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/minerals/magnesium/Mag_Sulf_Cream_S

pec225.html

here is some more info on the benefits of epsomsalts

http://www.thepeacefamily.force9.co.uk/epsom.html

Epsom Salts

by DeFelice and notes from Owens

What are Epsom salts?

Epsom salts are magnesium sulphate. Salts are just molecules that come

together based on having a positive and negative charge. Magnesium has

a positive charge. Sulphate has a negative charge, and they dissociate

(or go their separate ways) in solution. Sulphate is a sulphur atom

surrounded by four oxygen atoms and it has a negative charge. It has

all sorts of unique biological functions. Epsom salts can be very

beneficial for individuals with neurological conditions including

autism spectrum, sensory integration disorder, and ADD/ADHD.

How do they work? Why do they work?

Dr. Rosemary Waring has found that most autistic spectrum kids, and

lots of others with neurological conditions, are very low in sulphate.

They may be as low as 15% of neurologically typical people. Sulphate

is needed for a pathway in the body that processes salicylates,

phenols, chemicals of all kinds (including food colours, artificial

flavouring, and preservatives), and other things the body sees as

toxins. This can include heavy metals. The body may have more toxins

to process than it can because of a lack of sulphur. To alleviate the

unpleasant reactions such as hyperness, aggression, tantrums, sleep

problems, night sweats, irritability, eczema, other skin conditions,

etc. you can unclog this " bottleneck " by 1) getting rid of the amount

of toxins that enter the body, or 2) supplying more sulphur to

increase the amount of toxins that can be processed from the body.

Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) supplies the needed sulphur. The body

takes in more sulphur, more toxins are processed and you don't see the

nasty behaviours and effects.

Many people on a typical American diet are very deficient in magnesium

as well. Epsom salts also supplies magnesium. A main effect of

insufficient magnesium is hyperness, irritability, anxiety and muscle

twitching or spasms. So the salts provide two-way assistance. Sulphur

can also be added to the body by supplementing with MSM.

Some people may think Epsom salts work by pulling the toxins out of

the body and into the water. Certainly you can sweat out certain

toxins like you would in a sauna, but the role of sulphate in the

water for that process is questionable. The way sulphate in the water

is most likely to be working is by being absorbed into the body

through the skin where it can become part of the biological process of

detoxification.

Once in the blood, sulphate does not stay there for long. In fact,

some studies have suggested that it does what it does and then ends up

in the urine four to nine hours later. The Epsom salts left on the

skin may continue to be absorbed as long as it is still on the skin,

offering something sort of like " timed release " into the blood stream.

For that reason, leaving the Epsom salts on the skin to dry may be

beneficial for stretching out the effectiveness of this intervention,

like medications that are administered through skin patches. None of

this process of skin absorption has ever been quantified (as far as I

know).

How to Give Epsom Salts

There are several methods parents have used.

1. Epsom salt baths. Most people use about 1-2 cups per tub. Dissolve

the salts in hot water first and then fill the tub to about waist

deep, as warm as possible. The amount of salts that you may find works

best will depend on the individual tolerance, the temperature of the

water, and the size of the tub. The warmer the water and larger the

tub, the more salts will dissolve. You may need to start slowly using

as little as one tablespoon of salts and working up gradually. Some

people have been deficient for so long that the full quantity is too

much a shock, and you will see negative reactions. In the beginning, a

person may react with hyperactivity, irritability or moodiness.

However, at the right amount, most people find the salts very calming

and relaxing. This works well before bedtime. Soak in the bath a good

20 minutes. It is okay to let the salts dry on the skin. They may

leave a dry clear-white powder. If it is too itchy or irritating, just

rinse them off. If the skin feels too dry, use lotion or oils to

moisturize. Don't drink the bath water because it could cause

diarrhoea.

2. Epsom salt oil. I have been experimenting a bit with the Epsom

salts. It would leave a salty film on the skin, which my two boys and

I didn't like (itchy). Lately, I have been mixing some coconut oil in

with the salts and water. Actually it is more oil than water. 3

tablespoons water + 4 tablespoons salts + 12 tablespoon coconut oil.

The coconut oil is good for the skin anyway and it seems to counter

the drying effect of the salts. I found that just mixing the salts and

oil did not dissolve the salts, so I needed to add just some water. I

apply this liberally on the skin and it soaks in plus leaves the skin

smooth and soft.

3. Mix 1 part salts to 2 parts water (or more so the salts dissolve)

and let the person soak their feet in it. My boys would soak their

feet about 30 minutes while they did reading or homework.

4. Mix 1 part salts and 1 part water (add more water if the salts are

not dissolved) and put in a spray-squirt bottle. Mist the child's

chest and/or back and let it dry on. Works well in the summer.

5. Use one of those plastic squeeze bottles with a sponge on top that

are used for dampening postal stamps, and fill it with the Epsom salts

and water. A solution of 1 part salts to 4 parts water works well.

This can be applied to the arms or leg or tummy or whatever is easily

accessible.

6. There are some new Epsom salt creams available.

7. You can mix a salt and some kind of acceptable lotion into a paste.

Put this paste on a large band-aid and apply to the skin. The salts

will soak in.

As you can see, there is no exact ratio…just what seems to get the

salts dissolved and on the skin. MSM powder or creams (many of these

on the market) can help with the sulphur. However, some recent

research shows that oral sulphur is not as well absorbed. Also, this

won't supply magnesium.

Sulphate has an influence over almost every cellular function.

Sulphate attaches to phenols and makes them less harmful, and sets

them up for being excreted from your kidneys. A lot of these

potentially toxic molecules are in foods, and since this is a capacity-

limited system, those who are low in sulphate do well to eliminate

exposures to foods and environmental things, which might put extra

stress on this chemistry. That strategy is the focus of the Feingold

diet, which restricts phenols from the diet. Your body also makes many

different chemicals of this type, and they need to be cleared from the

system before they get harmful.

If growth factors were bankers, sulphate would be their money. Growth

factors use sulphate to do their business. That is why it is known

that if you become VERY deficient in sulphate you will stop growing if

you are a child, or you will start to break down (catabolize) your own

muscle to make up for this deficiency. That means if your child has

not been growing, and has very flimsy muscles, you should be concerned

that his sulphate chemistry may be hurting. When this happens in very

sick adults, it puts them into a state called cachexia, a wasting

process that happens in Alzheimer's disease, AIDS, cancer, and an

autism spectrum disorder called Rett Syndrome.

Sulphate is used to regulate the performance of many other molecules.

Many systems in the body will not function well in a low-sulphate

environment. One of the things is influences is the hormone that helps

humans recognize faces and " socialize " . Increasing sulphur in the body

can improve socialization and related issues. Sulphur is so critical

to life that the body will apparently borrow protein from the muscles

to keep from running too low.

The autism community is learning that activating the immune system can

put significant demands on this chemistry, and if that happens during

infancy often enough and at critical stages, it may change or slow

development. The body can start to waste sulphate into the urine:

sulphate that it needs critically. If this happens, it could lead to

the situation where the dietary sources of sulphur cannot be adequate

to keep up with this drain. Dr. Rosemary Waring has found that

autistic children tend to be dumping needed sulphate and related

sulphur compounds into the urine. She has also found that the enzymes

that make sulphate out of protein appear to be inhibited by one of the

chemicals that is turned on by an activated immune system.

Blood tests are not really adequate for measuring this, because the

blood is a delivery system, and can be a compensatory system. Blood

levels of sulphur-related compounds will actually go UP in the blood

when the cells are starving, because the liver is trying to help out

the rest of the body by exporting these materials.

F.

>

> I'm sorry, I really don't know the answers to your questions. I've

> never used either clay or epsom salt baths. But here is a website I

> found that has a lot of special clay baths for sale. I have no

> knowledge of their safety or effectiveness, but I've purchased carn-

> aware through this website. BTW, each page on this site is really

> long - you have to scroll down a long way before you get to the

> goods. Start by going to their autism page.

>

> Does anyone have experience with the epsom salts? I know that you

> can purchase them in the regular grocery store here, but I have no

> idea how much to put in.

>

> Kerri

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