Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

October 24, 2007

In a message dated 10/24/2007 3:14:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

Next we'll have The Paramedic Coloring Book.

I've heard good things about the A & P coloring books myself, it's an

arsenal you need not a single gun (My God I have been in Texas too long)

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October 24, 2007

In a message dated 10/24/2007 4:16:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

csuprun@... writes:

bad news for ya...there is a set of color the anatomy pages for an EMT text

out right now. We're really close already.

I do not see that as being a bad thing.

A buddy of mine from PA who was a really great street Medic trained under a

1989 or so program as a volunteer (2 nights a week etc) went to get his RN

and was having some issues in the RN ASN level A & P classes.

He's not dumb mind you, quite the opposite (think the kind of Medic you want

on your Mom's MI) but this was really killing his GPA and was also pissing

him off so on the suggestion of the MSN RN former medic herself that was also

his A & P Instructor he gets the A & P coloring book and a set of coloered

pencils.

Guess what 1) his grades improves, 2) his knowledge of the materials

improved and 3) his UNDERSTANDING of those materials improved. End result, he

is now

a 10 year + RN with an ASN and is a GREAT Flight and Cruise Ship Nurse.

It's al about hitting every domain of learning and that goes back to a solid

instructional matrix to include the instructors, books, PowerPoint's,

videos, war stories, etc etc etc. Note the plurals even in the ETC's.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS)

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October 24, 2007

I wonder how many EMT and Paramedic instructors can describe Bloom's

Taxonomy and how his concepts are applied in their programs.

Lest some of you think I'm a snob about learning and teaching, ask my

students about my running about the room screaming " I'm epinephrine and I'm

looking

for an Alpha 1 receptor!!! "

Or using football diagrams to illustrate drug agonists and antagonists.

I'm not against innovative learning techniques. What I am against is

reliance on one resource for a paramedic course, a textbook. If one MUST have

a

textbook, however, and I suppose we must, then it makes sense to choose one that

at least has accurate information and covers the bases in enough detail to

provide the basic necessary information.

I asked the " research paper " question because I'm interested in just how many

use some form of problem based learning in their courses.

Perhaps I should first have asked how many know what the terms " problem based

learning " mean and how they are employed.

Gene Gandy.

>

> It's al about hitting every domain of learning and that goes back to a solid

> instructional matrix to include the instructors, books, PowerPoint's,

> videos, war stories, etc etc etc. Note the plurals even in the ETC's.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS)

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consultant/Traine

>

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October 24, 2007

IMHO, Power Points supplied by the publisher are often used by those instructors

who are unfamiliar with material themselves.

Unfortunately, the all-too-common model of EMS education is:

1) Go through the publisher's PowerPoints.

2) Intersperse a war story (usually about a nasty trauma case) with the slides.

3) Give an exam from the supplied test bank.

4) Await phone calls from students asking, " Why did I fail National Registry? "

EMS education is a two way street.? Yes, the instructors could do better.? But

the students also have to recognize and accept that anything past elementary

school isn't going to " spoon feed " you the answers.

Alas, when EMS is considered a vocational program in many college environments,

we're doomed to be sent the students " who aren't smart enough to succeed in a

degree program. "

-Wes Ogilvie

Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

Ditto. I do my own PowerPoints. And I include a bunch of stuff that's in

the curriculum but not covered well in the books.

The publishers seem to have these notions that there must be a strict limit

on the number of pages that they'll publish in a paramedic text.

Bledsoe has complained about that over and over.

The fact is that if you go to nurseing school, you will use many textbooks,

any one of which is as big as either Bledsoe's or ' one-volume book.

No wonder we are looked down upon by the rest of the medical profession.

Hasn't the time come for us to use materials that are not written to

W. Bush's level?

GG

>

> The other problem I have with ALL of the EMS Texts that I have had the

> pleasure of reviewing (a few from each of the major Publishers over the past

> two

> years at all levels, even a few fire titles) is that overall I find the

> PowerPoint's that they supply to be lacking both in content and in context,

> the

> time they spend in building those seems to be the least of all in the

> package

> development time equation with the only thing I find to be more poorly done

> in

> those Instructor packages is the exam question banks which basically violate

> every law of solid test item development that I've ever been taught in my

> career.

>

> Overall I am very unimpressed with everyone's PowerPoint's and their exams.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS)

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consultant/Traine

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

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October 24, 2007

Wes,

All I can say is amen...why is it we, as instructors, consider the supplied

stuff anything but a starting point. It is funny to watch those folks who read

the slides from their 'stock' presentation and expect students to do all the

work and for them to be able to come in and just plug into the laptop.

Suprun

Director of Education

Consurgo LLC

Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

Ditto. I do my own PowerPoints. And I include a bunch of stuff that's in

the curriculum but not covered well in the books.

The publishers seem to have these notions that there must be a strict limit

on the number of pages that they'll publish in a paramedic text.

Bledsoe has complained about that over and over.

The fact is that if you go to nurseing school, you will use many textbooks,

any one of which is as big as either Bledsoe's or ' one-volume book.

No wonder we are looked down upon by the rest of the medical profession.

Hasn't the time come for us to use materials that are not written to

W. Bush's level?

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October 24, 2007

bad news for ya...there is a set of color the anatomy pages for an EMT text out

right now. We're really close already.

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From: wegandy1938@...

Subj: Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

Date: Wed 24 Oct 2007 15.11

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To: texasems-l

I know how frustrating it can be dealing with publishers. The editors

assigned don't have a clue about the subject matter, and they continually demand

" dumbing down " of the writing.

I think some of the editors themselves cannot read and write at better than

7th grade level.

Next we'll have The Paramedic Coloring Book.

GG

>

> Political aspersions aside you are absolutely right another thing Doc B has

> moaned about is how we keep these P level texts at the 8th and 9th grade

> levels.

>

> I'm not any Einstein but when I did Chapters for one paramedic level book I

> used the MS word Properties to determine my writing level, I found myself

> writing at a consistent freshman to sophomore college level. The Editors had

> to

> " back peddle " my use of language and the like so as to meet some phantom

> standard and not just with those Chapters but this has happened over and

> over to

> me as an Author even with respect to some periodical. It's mind numbing to

> me

> that we do this?

>

> The other thing is I have had at least one Information publisher tell me

> that unless I wrote in very specific (I mean Micro Macro managed specifics)

> that

> they would not consider my work for their on-line learning system as that

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October 24, 2007

Hey I just mentioned the pt. I do have my own presentations. That, I agree, is

the best way. As for the books, It is up to the educator to pick out the bad

spots.... It's not the bible per say. And have you seen the stats on college

pass fail ratio lately. To me it is quantity verses quality.

wegandy1938@... wrote: Well said, Wes. As long as EMS is like shop

class, we're doomed to be the

dishwashers of the medical profession.

GG

>

> IMHO, Power Points supplied by the publisher are often used by those

> instructors who are unfamiliar with material themselves.

>

> Unfortunately, the all-too-common model of EMS education is:

> 1) Go through the publisher's PowerPoints.

> 2) Intersperse a war story (usually about a nasty trauma case) with the

> slides.

> 3) Give an exam from the supplied test bank.

> 4) Await phone calls from students asking, " Why did I fail National

> Registry? "

>

> EMS education is a two way street.? Yes, the instructors could do better.?

> But the students also have to recognize and accept that anything past

> elementary school isn't going to " spoon feed " you the answers.

>

> Alas, when EMS is considered a vocational program in many college

> environments, we're doomed to be sent the students " who aren't smart enough to

succeed

> in a degree program. "

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

> Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

>

> Ditto. I do my own PowerPoints. And I include a bunch of stuff that's in

> the curriculum but not covered well in the books.

>

> The publishers seem to have these notions that there must be a strict limit

> on the number of pages that they'll publish in a paramedic text.

> Bledsoe has complained about that over and over.

>

> The fact is that if you go to nurseing school, you will use many textbooks,

> any one of which is as big as either Bledsoe's or ' one-volume book.

>

> No wonder we are looked down upon by the rest of the medical profession.

>

> Hasn't the time come for us to use materials that are not written to

> W. Bush's level?

>

> GG

>

> >

> > The other problem I have with ALL of the EMS Texts that I have had the

> > pleasure of reviewing (a few from each of the major Publishers over the

> past

> > two

> > years at all levels, even a few fire titles) is that overall I find the

> > PowerPoint's that they supply to be lacking both in content and in

> context,

> > the

> > time they spend in building those seems to be the least of all in the

> > package

> > development time equation with the only thing I find to be more poorly

> done

> > in

> > those Instructor packages is the exam question banks which basically

> violate

> > every law of solid test item development that I've ever been taught in my

> > career.

> >

> > Overall I am very unimpressed with everyone's PowerPoint's and their

> exams.

> >

> > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS)

> > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consultant/Traine

> >

> > LNMolino@...

> >

> > (Cell Phone)

> > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

> >

> > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> the

> > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

> > unless I

> > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

> only

> > for its

> > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

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> by

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> > original author.

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> >

October 24, 2007

--

I know of a group of several off-duty paramedics who teach EMT classes this

exact way.Â For them, they appear to be under the belief that teaching EMT

classes is an easier way to make extra money than working extra shifts.

-Wes Ogilvie

Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

Ditto. I do my own PowerPoints. And I include a bunch of stuff that's in

the curriculum but not covered well in the books.

The publishers seem to have these notions that there must be a strict limit

on the number of pages that they'll publish in a paramedic text.

Bledsoe has complained about that over and over.

The fact is that if you go to nurseing school, you will use many textbooks,

any one of which is as big as either Bledsoe's or ' one-volume book.

No wonder we are looked down upon by the rest of the medical profession.

Hasn't the time come for us to use materials that are not written to

W. Bush's level?

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October 24, 2007

I assume you're talking about the pass/fail stats on the NREMT. If you look

at them, you'll see that some college-based programs are good, some are

lousy, including some that are nationally accredited. There are some private

courses that have very high pass rates, which indicates to me that national

accredition means absolutely ZIT in overall quality and ability to pass the

NREMT.

Of course, as I have argued before, NREMT tells me nothing about the

abilities of the candidate other than s/he could pass a multiple choice exam

constructed by NREMT.

We have a long way to go.

GG

>

> Hey I just mentioned the pt. I do have my own presentations. That, I agree,

> is the best way. As for the books, It is up to the educator to pick out the

> bad spots.... It's not the bible per say. And have you seen the stats on

> college pass fail ratio lately. To me it is quantity verses quality.

>

> wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: Well said, Wes. As long as EMS is like shop

> class, we're doomed to be the

> dishwashers of the medical profession.

>

> GG

>

> >

> > IMHO, Power Points supplied by the publisher are often used by those

> > instructors who are unfamiliar with material themselves.

> >

> > Unfortunately, the all-too-common model of EMS education is:

> > 1) Go through the publisher's PowerPoints.

> > 2) Intersperse a war story (usually about a nasty trauma case) with the

> > slides.

> > 3) Give an exam from the supplied test bank.

> > 4) Await phone calls from students asking, " Why did I fail National

> > Registry? "

> >

> > EMS education is a two way street.? Yes, the instructors could do better.?

> > But the students also have to recognize and accept that anything past

> > elementary school isn't going to " spoon feed " you the answers.

> >

> > Alas, when EMS is considered a vocational program in many college

> > environments, we're doomed to be sent the students " who aren't smart

> enough to succeed

> > in a degree program. "

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> >

> > Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

> >

> > Ditto. I do my own PowerPoints. And I include a bunch of stuff that's in

> > the curriculum but not covered well in the books.

> >

> > The publishers seem to have these notions that there must be a strict

> limit

> > on the number of pages that they'll publish in a paramedic text.

> > Bledsoe has complained about that over and over.

> >

> > The fact is that if you go to nurseing school, you will use many

> textbooks,

> > any one of which is as big as either Bledsoe's or ' one-volume

> book.

> >

> > No wonder we are looked down upon by the rest of the medical profession.

> >

> > Hasn't the time come for us to use materials that are not written to

>

> > W. Bush's level?

> >

> > GG

> >

> > >

> > > The other problem I have with ALL of the EMS Texts that I have had the

> > > pleasure of reviewing (a few from each of the major Publishers over the

> > past

> > > two

> > > years at all levels, even a few fire titles) is that overall I find the

> > > PowerPoint's that they supply to be lacking both in content and in

> > context,

> > > the

> > > time they spend in building those seems to be the least of all in the

> > > package

> > > development time equation with the only thing I find to be more poorly

> > done

> > > in

> > > those Instructor packages is the exam question banks which basically

> > violate

> > > every law of solid test item development that I've ever been taught in

> my

> > > career.

> > >

> > > Overall I am very unimpressed with everyone's PowerPoint's and their

> > exams.

> > >

> > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services

> (LNMECS)

> > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consultant/Traine

> > >

> > > LNMolino@...

> > >

> > > (Cell Phone)

> > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

> > >

> > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> > the

> > > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> > > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

> > > unless I

> > > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

> > only

> > > for its

> > > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

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October 24, 2007

In a message dated 10/24/2007 10:55:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

csuprun@... writes:

If it worked in that context.awesome, but I haven't seen it used in that

manner at all. I tend to see it as busy work so that instructors weak in A & P

avoid A & P by handing out coloring crayons and anatomy sheets. If it worked for

your bud though, it may not be all bad.I guess I shouldn't be completely

against it because it is a tool and depending on how it is used, it may be

awesome or it may be awful.

He was not told to do it he was told to try it and in his case the one plus

two paint by numbers approach worked for him. One could say that if the are

selling those books then there is either a demand due to it being a required

text or it works as it did or him. I have never seen it as a required text but

I have little experience around college level A & P courses.

I have a bit of a phobia about that level of A & P mysef, based on Joe's

esperince I will likely try it to see if it makes my thick head click better.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS)

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

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October 24, 2007

There are awesome A & P texts out there that are used for college courses.

The A & P for Dummies stuff is just that. Sorry. It's not that difficult.

However it does require real study, real thought, and real work. Those seem

to be anathema to lots of students today. And if the paramedic instructor

doesn't know the A & P, then all is lost. Maybe that's the problem.

GG

>

> If it worked in that context.awesome, but I haven't seen it used in that

> manner at all. I tend to see it as busy work so that instructors weak

> in A & P avoid A & P by handing out coloring crayons and anatomy sheets. If

> it worked for your bud though, it may not be all bad.I guess I shouldn't

> be completely against it because it is a tool and depending on how it is

> used, it may be awesome or it may be awful.

>

> Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

>

> In a message dated 10/24/2007 4:16:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> csuprun (AT) consurgo (DOT) <mailto:csuprun%mailto:csupmai> org writes:

>

> bad news for ya...there is a set of color the anatomy pages for an EMT

> text

> out right now. We're really close already.

>

> I do not see that as being a bad thing.

>

> A buddy of mine from PA who was a really great street Medic trained

> under a

> 1989 or so program as a volunteer (2 nights a week etc) went to get his

> RN

> and was having some issues in the RN ASN level A & P classes.

>

> He's not dumb mind you, quite the opposite (think the kind of Medic you

> want

> on your Mom's MI) but this was really killing his GPA and was also

> pissing

> him off so on the suggestion of the MSN RN former medic herself that was

> also

> his A & P Instructor he gets the A & P coloring book and a set of

> coloered

> pencils.

>

> Guess what 1) his grades improves, 2) his knowledge of the materials

> improved and 3) his UNDERSTANDING of those materials improved. End

> result, he is now

> a 10 year + RN with an ASN and is a GREAT Flight and Cruise Ship Nurse.

>

> It's al about hitting every domain of learning and that goes back to a

> solid

> instructional matrix to include the instructors, books, PowerPoint's,

> videos, war stories, etc etc etc. Note the plurals even in the ETC's.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services

> (LNMECS)

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Consu Freelance Consul

> Consultant

>

> LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) <mailto:LNMolino%mailto:LN> com

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

> unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

> only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain

> by the

> original author.

>

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> <http://www.aol.htt> com

>

October 24, 2007

Your absolutley correct. I think that these NR test are made to fail for the

most part... Hey it's a business why not let the group take several test. It

means more money for the registry.

wegandy1938@... wrote: I assume you're talking about the pass/fail

stats on the NREMT. If you look

at them, you'll see that some college-based programs are good, some are

lousy, including some that are nationally accredited. There are some private

courses that have very high pass rates, which indicates to me that national

accredition means absolutely ZIT in overall quality and ability to pass the

NREMT.

Of course, as I have argued before, NREMT tells me nothing about the

abilities of the candidate other than s/he could pass a multiple choice exam

constructed by NREMT.

We have a long way to go.

GG

>

> Hey I just mentioned the pt. I do have my own presentations. That, I agree,

> is the best way. As for the books, It is up to the educator to pick out the

> bad spots.... It's not the bible per say. And have you seen the stats on

> college pass fail ratio lately. To me it is quantity verses quality.

>

> wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: Well said, Wes. As long as EMS is like shop

> class, we're doomed to be the

> dishwashers of the medical profession.

>

> GG

>

> >

> > IMHO, Power Points supplied by the publisher are often used by those

> > instructors who are unfamiliar with material themselves.

> >

> > Unfortunately, the all-too-common model of EMS education is:

> > 1) Go through the publisher's PowerPoints.

> > 2) Intersperse a war story (usually about a nasty trauma case) with the

> > slides.

> > 3) Give an exam from the supplied test bank.

> > 4) Await phone calls from students asking, " Why did I fail National

> > Registry? "

> >

> > EMS education is a two way street.? Yes, the instructors could do better.?

> > But the students also have to recognize and accept that anything past

> > elementary school isn't going to " spoon feed " you the answers.

> >

> > Alas, when EMS is considered a vocational program in many college

> > environments, we're doomed to be sent the students " who aren't smart

> enough to succeed

> > in a degree program. "

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> >

> > Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

> >

> > Ditto. I do my own PowerPoints. And I include a bunch of stuff that's in

> > the curriculum but not covered well in the books.

> >

> > The publishers seem to have these notions that there must be a strict

> limit

> > on the number of pages that they'll publish in a paramedic text.

> > Bledsoe has complained about that over and over.

> >

> > The fact is that if you go to nurseing school, you will use many

> textbooks,

> > any one of which is as big as either Bledsoe's or ' one-volume

> book.

> >

> > No wonder we are looked down upon by the rest of the medical profession.

> >

> > Hasn't the time come for us to use materials that are not written to

>

> > W. Bush's level?

> >

> > GG

> >

> > >

> > > The other problem I have with ALL of the EMS Texts that I have had the

> > > pleasure of reviewing (a few from each of the major Publishers over the

> > past

> > > two

> > > years at all levels, even a few fire titles) is that overall I find the

> > > PowerPoint's that they supply to be lacking both in content and in

> > context,

> > > the

> > > time they spend in building those seems to be the least of all in the

> > > package

> > > development time equation with the only thing I find to be more poorly

> > done

> > > in

> > > those Instructor packages is the exam question banks which basically

> > violate

> > > every law of solid test item development that I've ever been taught in

> my

> > > career.

> > >

> > > Overall I am very unimpressed with everyone's PowerPoint's and their

> > exams.

> > >

> > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services

> (LNMECS)

> > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consultant/Traine

> > >

> > > LNMolino@...

> > >

> > > (Cell Phone)

> > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

> > >

> > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> > the

> > > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> > > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

> > > unless I

> > > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

> > only

> > > for its

> > > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

> > > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain

> > by

> > > the

> > > original author.

> > >

> > > ************ ******** ******** ********************

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> > >

October 24, 2007

If it worked in that context.awesome, but I haven't seen it used in that

manner at all. I tend to see it as busy work so that instructors weak

in A & P avoid A & P by handing out coloring crayons and anatomy sheets. If

it worked for your bud though, it may not be all bad.I guess I shouldn't

be completely against it because it is a tool and depending on how it is

used, it may be awesome or it may be awful.

Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

In a message dated 10/24/2007 4:16:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

csuprun (AT) consurgo (DOT) <mailto:csuprun%40consurgo.org> org writes:

bad news for ya...there is a set of color the anatomy pages for an EMT

text

out right now. We're really close already.

I do not see that as being a bad thing.

A buddy of mine from PA who was a really great street Medic trained

under a

1989 or so program as a volunteer (2 nights a week etc) went to get his

RN

and was having some issues in the RN ASN level A & P classes.

He's not dumb mind you, quite the opposite (think the kind of Medic you

want

on your Mom's MI) but this was really killing his GPA and was also

pissing

him off so on the suggestion of the MSN RN former medic herself that was

also

his A & P Instructor he gets the A & P coloring book and a set of

coloered

pencils.

Guess what 1) his grades improves, 2) his knowledge of the materials

improved and 3) his UNDERSTANDING of those materials improved. End

result, he is now

a 10 year + RN with an ASN and is a GREAT Flight and Cruise Ship Nurse.

It's al about hitting every domain of learning and that goes back to a

solid

instructional matrix to include the instructors, books, PowerPoint's,

videos, war stories, etc etc etc. Note the plurals even in the ETC's.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services

(LNMECS)

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

Consultant

LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com> com

(Cell Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain

by the

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October 24, 2007

>>I think that these NR test are made to fail for the most part... Hey it's a

business why not let the group take several test. It means more money for the

registry.<<

I couldn't disagree more. To suggest that the exam is engineered to generate

more money for the NREMT through continued retests is ludicrous.

It's a certification exam. It has its limitations. All of the criticism of the

NREMT exam could just as accurately apply to just about every state

certification exam out there, because they all are designed to do the same

thing: separate the barely competent from the dangerous.

And that is /all/ they do.

--

Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc.

MEDIC Training Solutions

http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/

October 25, 2007

In a message dated 24-Oct-07 15:01:10 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

I'm not any Einstein but when I did Chapters for one paramedic level book I

used the MS word Properties to determine my writing level, I found myself

writing at a consistent freshman to sophomore college level. The Editors had

to

" back peddle " my use of language and the like so as to meet some phantom

standard and not just with those Chapters but this has happened over and

over to

me as an Author even with respect to some periodical. It's mind numbing to

me

that we do this?

OK, I've done a reveiw/revision of a couple of chapters recently...where is

this 'properties' tab in MS Word 2003?

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

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October 25, 2007

In a message dated 25-Oct-07 10:57:46 Central Daylight Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

Go into the spelling and grammar options (F7), then select readability

statistics.

thank you.

results:

passive sentences: 10% (better than I expected because of the subject matter

and the amount of outline)

grade level: 12.2 (lower than I expected, but probably again because of the

outlines)

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

October 25, 2007

There are some programs who have a marvelous pass rate - up to 100% on the

first test....... but when you look at these paramedics performance(some of the

worst EMS Systems in the nation) and motivation(usually to promote to an engine

company) one has to wonder are some programs on the inside track with the NR????

-MH

________________________________

From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of

Awsome Medic [radmedic2001@...]

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:51 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

Your absolutley correct. I think that these NR test are made to fail for the

most part... Hey it's a business why not let the group take several test. It

means more money for the registry.

wegandy1938@...<mailto:wegandy1938%40aol.com> wrote: I assume you're talking

about the pass/fail stats on the NREMT. If you look

at them, you'll see that some college-based programs are good, some are

lousy, including some that are nationally accredited. There are some private

courses that have very high pass rates, which indicates to me that national

accredition means absolutely ZIT in overall quality and ability to pass the

NREMT.

Of course, as I have argued before, NREMT tells me nothing about the

abilities of the candidate other than s/he could pass a multiple choice exam

constructed by NREMT.

We have a long way to go.

GG

In a message dated 10/24/07 6:34:28 PM,

radmedic2001@...<mailto:radmedic2001%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Hey I just mentioned the pt. I do have my own presentations. That, I agree,

> is the best way. As for the books, It is up to the educator to pick out the

> bad spots.... It's not the bible per say. And have you seen the stats on

> college pass fail ratio lately. To me it is quantity verses quality.

>

> wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: Well said, Wes. As long as EMS is like shop

> class, we're doomed to be the

> dishwashers of the medical profession.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 10/24/07 12:57:54 PM,

ExLngHrn@...<mailto:ExLngHrn%40aol.ExL> writes:

>

> >

> > IMHO, Power Points supplied by the publisher are often used by those

> > instructors who are unfamiliar with material themselves.

> >

> > Unfortunately, the all-too-common model of EMS education is:

> > 1) Go through the publisher's PowerPoints.

> > 2) Intersperse a war story (usually about a nasty trauma case) with the

> > slides.

> > 3) Give an exam from the supplied test bank.

> > 4) Await phone calls from students asking, " Why did I fail National

> > Registry? "

> >

> > EMS education is a two way street.? Yes, the instructors could do better.?

> > But the students also have to recognize and accept that anything past

> > elementary school isn't going to " spoon feed " you the answers.

> >

> > Alas, when EMS is considered a vocational program in many college

> > environments, we're doomed to be sent the students " who aren't smart

> enough to succeed

> > in a degree program. "

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> >

> > Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

> >

> > Ditto. I do my own PowerPoints. And I include a bunch of stuff that's in

> > the curriculum but not covered well in the books.

> >

> > The publishers seem to have these notions that there must be a strict

> limit

> > on the number of pages that they'll publish in a paramedic text.

> > Bledsoe has complained about that over and over.

> >

> > The fact is that if you go to nurseing school, you will use many

> textbooks,

> > any one of which is as big as either Bledsoe's or ' one-volume

> book.

> >

> > No wonder we are looked down upon by the rest of the medical profession.

> >

> > Hasn't the time come for us to use materials that are not written to

>

> > W. Bush's level?

> >

> > GG

> > In a message dated 10/23/07 10:35:39 PM,

lnmolino@...<mailto:lnmolino%40aol.lnm> writes:

> >

> > >

> > > The other problem I have with ALL of the EMS Texts that I have had the

> > > pleasure of reviewing (a few from each of the major Publishers over the

> > past

> > > two

> > > years at all levels, even a few fire titles) is that overall I find the

> > > PowerPoint's that they supply to be lacking both in content and in

> > context,

> > > the

> > > time they spend in building those seems to be the least of all in the

> > > package

> > > development time equation with the only thing I find to be more poorly

> > done

> > > in

> > > those Instructor packages is the exam question banks which basically

> > violate

> > > every law of solid test item development that I've ever been taught in

> my

> > > career.

> > >

> > > Overall I am very unimpressed with everyone's PowerPoint's and their

> > exams.

> > >

> > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services

> (LNMECS)

> > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consultant/Traine

> > >

> > > LNMolino@...<mailto:LNMolino%40aol.LNM>

> > >

> > > (Cell Phone)

> > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

> > >

> > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> > the

> > > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> > > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

> > > unless I

> > > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

> > only

> > > for its

> > > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

> > > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain

> > by

> > > the

> > > original author.

> > >

> > > ************ ******** ******** ********************

> http://www.aol.htt

> > >

October 25, 2007

Go into the spelling and grammar options (F7), then select readability

statistics.

-Wes Ogilvie

Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

In a message dated 24-Oct-07 15:01:10 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

I'm not any Einstein but when I did Chapters for one paramedic level book I

used the MS word Properties to determine my writing level, I found myself

writing at a consistent freshman to sophomore college level. The Editors had

to

" back peddle " my use of language and the like so as to meet some phantom

standard and not just with those Chapters but this has happened over and

over to

me as an Author even with respect to some periodical. It's mind numbing to

me

that we do this?

OK, I've done a reveiw/revision of a couple of chapters recently...where is

this 'properties' tab in MS Word 2003?

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

October 25, 2007

Another item that proves the irrelevancy of the NREMT.

GG

>

> There are some programs who have a marvelous pass rate - up to 100% on the

> first test....... but when you look at these paramedics performance(There are

> some programs who have a marvelous pass rate - up to 100% on the first

> test....... but when you look at these paramedics performance(some of the

> worst EMS

>

> -MH

> ____________ ________ ________ _

> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On Behalf Of

> Awsome Medic [radmedic2001@radmedic2]

> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:51 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Subject: Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

>

> Your absolutley correct. I think that these NR test are made to fail for the

> most part... Hey it's a business why not let the group take several test. It

> means more money for the registry.

>

> wegandy1938@wegandy<mailto:wegandy1938mailto:weg> wrote: I assume you're

> talking about the pass/fail stats on the NREMT. If you look

> at them, you'll see that some college-based programs are good, some are

> lousy, including some that are nationally accredited. There are some private

> courses that have very high pass rates, which indicates to me that national

> accredition means absolutely ZIT in overall quality and ability to pass the

> NREMT.

>

> Of course, as I have argued before, NREMT tells me nothing about the

> abilities of the candidate other than s/he could pass a multiple choice exam

> constructed by NREMT.

>

> We have a long way to go.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 10/24/07 6:34:28 PM, radmedic2001@radmedic2<

> mailto:radmedic200mailto:radmai> writes:

>

> >

> > Hey I just mentioned the pt. I do have my own presentations. That, I

> agree,

> > is the best way. As for the books, It is up to the educator to pick out

> the

> > bad spots.... It's not the bible per say. And have you seen the stats on

> > college pass fail ratio lately. To me it is quantity verses quality.

> >

> > wegandy1938@ wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: Well said, Wes. As long a

> > class, we're doomed to be the

> > dishwashers of the medical profession.

> >

> > GG

> > In a message dated 10/24/07 12:57:54 PM, ExLngHrn@...<

> mailto:ExLngHrn%mailto:Ex> writes:

> >

> > >

> > > IMHO, Power Points supplied by the publisher are often used by those

> > > instructors who are unfamiliar with material themselves.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, the all-too-common model of EMS education is:

> > > 1) Go through the publisher's PowerPoints.

> > > 2) Intersperse a war story (usually about a nasty trauma case) with the

> > > slides.

> > > 3) Give an exam from the supplied test bank.

> > > 4) Await phone calls from students asking, " Why did I fail National

> > > Registry? "

> > >

> > > EMS education is a two way street.? Yes, the instructors could do

> better.?

> > > But the students also have to recognize and accept that anything past

> > > elementary school isn't going to " spoon feed " you the answers.

> > >

> > > Alas, when EMS is considered a vocational program in many college

> > > environments, we're doomed to be sent the students " who aren't smart

> > enough to succeed

> > > in a degree program. "

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie

> > >

> > > Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

> > >

> > > Ditto. I do my own PowerPoints. And I include a bunch of stuff that's in

> > > the curriculum but not covered well in the books.

> > >

> > > The publishers seem to have these notions that there must be a strict

> > limit

> > > on the number of pages that they'll publish in a paramedic text.

> > > Bledsoe has complained about that over and over.

> > >

> > > The fact is that if you go to nurseing school, you will use many

> > textbooks,

> > > any one of which is as big as either Bledsoe's or ' one-volume

> > book.

> > >

> > > No wonder we are looked down upon by the rest of the medical profession.

> > >

> > > Hasn't the time come for us to use materials that are not written to

> >

> > > W. Bush's level?

> > >

> > > GG

> > > In a message dated 10/23/07 10:35:39 PM, lnmolino@...<

> mailto:lnmolino%mailto:ln> writes:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > The other problem I have with ALL of the EMS Texts that I have had the

> > > > pleasure of reviewing (a few from each of the major Publishers over

> the

> > > past

> > > > two

> > > > years at all levels, even a few fire titles) is that overall I find

> the

> > > > PowerPoint's that they supply to be lacking both in content and in

> > > context,

> > > > the

> > > > time they spend in building those seems to be the least of all in the

> > > > package

> > > > development time equation with the only thing I find to be more poorly

> > > done

> > > > in

> > > > those Instructor packages is the exam question banks which basically

> > > violate

> > > > every law of solid test item development that I've ever been taught in

> > my

> > > > career.

> > > >

> > > > Overall I am very unimpressed with everyone's PowerPoint's and their

> > > exams.

> > > >

> > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services

> > (LNMECS)

> > > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance

> Consultant/Traine

> > > >

> > > > LNMolino@...<mailto:LNMolino%mailto:LN>

> > > >

> > > > (Cell Phone)

> > > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> > > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

> > > >

> > > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

> and

> > > the

> > > > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> > > > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with

> > > > unless I

> > > > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

> > > only

> > > > for its

> > > > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

> > > > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

> domain

> > > by

> > > > the

> > > > original author.

> > > >

> > > > ************ ******** ******** ********************

> > http://www.aol.htt

> > > >

October 30, 2007

I think part of the problem is not only with the program, but a lot

of it has to do with the individual student. I know this because I

am an adjunct faculty member for a local community college that has a

solid program and I have seen first hand on some of the students that

take these classes. Some of the students that go through these

programs have no business being in EMS and have no clue what is going

on. Some people just can't hang with the big boys and they are not

cut out for this line of work.

An Instructor can only teach you so much in a short amount of time.

The student has to take the initiative to expand on what they learned

and spend some time outside of the regular classroom studying. There

is so much to learn and know as a paramedic, it requires a lot of

outside studying and you can't make someone study. If a student

doesn't want to study, that is THERE problem, NOT the Instructors

problem. What you put into it is what you will get out of it. If

memory serves me correctly, studies out there have said that for

every one hour of being in the classroom, you should spend 2-3 hours

outside of the classroom studying. Bottom line is that a majority of

the students are not taking the time to study outside of class and

therefore are not doing well and it's easier to pass the blame on

someone than to admit your own fault.

If programs want to have a high pass rate, do a better job of

screening the applicants and be selective on who you accept just like

the other medical programs such as nursing, respirotaroy, etc. This

is just part of the overall problem. Thanks and be safe.

-brian-

Well said, Wes. As

long a

> > > class, we're doomed to be the

> > > dishwashers of the medical profession.

> > >

> > > GG

> > > In a message dated 10/24/07 12:57:54 PM, ExLngHrn@...<

> > mailto:ExLngHrn%mailto:Ex> writes:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > IMHO, Power Points supplied by the publisher are often used

by those

> > > > instructors who are unfamiliar with material themselves.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, the all-too-common model of EMS education is:

> > > > 1) Go through the publisher's PowerPoints.

> > > > 2) Intersperse a war story (usually about a nasty trauma

case) with the

> > > > slides.

> > > > 3) Give an exam from the supplied test bank.

> > > > 4) Await phone calls from students asking, " Why did I fail

National

> > > > Registry? "

> > > >

> > > > EMS education is a two way street.? Yes, the instructors

could do

> > better.?

> > > > But the students also have to recognize and accept that

anything past

> > > > elementary school isn't going to " spoon feed " you the answers.

> > > >

> > > > Alas, when EMS is considered a vocational program in many

college

> > > > environments, we're doomed to be sent the students " who

aren't smart

> > > enough to succeed

> > > > in a degree program. "

> > > >

> > > > -Wes Ogilvie

> > > >

> > > > Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in

the Streets

> > > >

> > > > Ditto. I do my own PowerPoints. And I include a bunch of

stuff that's in

> > > > the curriculum but not covered well in the books.

> > > >

> > > > The publishers seem to have these notions that there must be

a strict

> > > limit

> > > > on the number of pages that they'll publish in a paramedic

text.

> > > > Bledsoe has complained about that over and over.

> > > >

> > > > The fact is that if you go to nurseing school, you will use

many

> > > textbooks,

> > > > any one of which is as big as either Bledsoe's or '

one-volume

> > > book.

> > > >

> > > > No wonder we are looked down upon by the rest of the medical

profession.

> > > >

> > > > Hasn't the time come for us to use materials that are not

written to

> > >

> > > > W. Bush's level?

> > > >

> > > > GG

> > > > In a message dated 10/23/07 10:35:39 PM, lnmolino@...<

> > mailto:lnmolino%mailto:ln> writes:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The other problem I have with ALL of the EMS Texts that I

have had the

> > > > > pleasure of reviewing (a few from each of the major

Publishers over

> > the

> > > > past

> > > > > two

> > > > > years at all levels, even a few fire titles) is that

overall I find

> > the

> > > > > PowerPoint's that they supply to be lacking both in content

and in

> > > > context,

> > > > > the

> > > > > time they spend in building those seems to be the least of

all in the

> > > > > package

> > > > > development time equation with the only thing I find to be

more poorly

> > > > done

> > > > > in

> > > > > those Instructor packages is the exam question banks which

basically

> > > > violate

> > > > > every law of solid test item development that I've ever

been taught in

> > > my

> > > > > career.

> > > > >

> > > > > Overall I am very unimpressed with everyone's PowerPoint's

and their

> > > > exams.

> > > > >

> > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > > > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting

Services

> > > (LNMECS)

> > > > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance

> > Consultant/Traine

> > > > >

> > > > > LNMolino@...<mailto:LNMolino%mailto:LN>

> > > > >

> > > > > (Cell Phone)

> > > > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> > > > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

> > > > >

> > > > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of

the author

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any

person or

> > > > > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

associated

> > with

> > > > > unless I

> > > > > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail

is intended

> > > > only

> > > > > for its

> > > > > stated recipient and may contain private and or

confidential materials

> > > > > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the

public

> > domain

> > > > by

> > > > > the

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October 31, 2007

Anita,

You make some very good points. Unfortunately, there is seemingly no sense

of self responsibility or accountability in lots of our young students. Not

all. Some will astound one with their devotion to learning. Some are just

smarter than others. Oops. Not politically correct. But factually

correct. Not to say that it takes a rocket scientist to pass paramedic and

even be

a good one, but brains help.

I have never used any of the " canned " PowerPoints because they all stink. I

have used some of the workbooks, and I have found that if I make the students

do the workbooks for class assignments regularly, it does help them.

It takes many hours of preparation to prepare a PowerPoint series on almost

any subject. I just finished a new one on drug classifications by indication,

and I spent over 8 hours on a presentation that took me 3.5 hours to give.

And that was an easy one because I already had my drug list with all the

drugs on it already classified. All I had to do was explain what each

classification was for and how the generic names work.

Now, Caroline's does mention more than a few classifications by indication,

so the paramedic student who studies that text would get a general idea, but

the generic names are not mentioned in more than a few, nor the fact that you

can tell the classifications of many drugs by the endings of their generic

names. In the antihypertensive section, she never mentions alpha 1 antagonists

and alpha 2 agonists, both major antihypertensives, although it does use the

terms " adrenergic inhibitors. "

I suppose alpha adrenergic receptors are just too complex for paramedics in

the authors' view. Of course, Mongo would say, " don't need to know it.

Not on the NR exam. " True, it's probably not. What does that have to do with

field practice? Nada.

The medication " formulary " is laughable. Thank God for the Paramedic Field

Guide.

It takes hundreds of hours of work to prepare teaching aids for a paramedic

course. And it's continuing work.

Thanks to the GOOD instructors out there who do spend the time to develop

good teaching materials that are neither " canned " nor based upon any one text.

Happy Halloween, Y'all or, as we say here in AZ, feliz dia de los muertos

(which is actually tomorrow).

>

> I agree with in that there needs to be better screening of potential

> students. In the program I taught for we had many students who had a hard time

> reading at a ninth grade reading level and this is a college level course!

> Another thing we deal with here is that many of our students do not have a

> good grasp of the English language and this creates a hardship for them

because

> they do not understand what we are tryong to say. They are not able to read

> the text because they can't read English.UnfortunateI agree with in that

> there needs to be better screening of potential students. In the program I

> taught for we had many students who had a hard time reading at a ninth grade

> reading level and this is a college level course! Another thing we deal with

> here is that many of our students do not have a good grasp of the English

> language and this

> However I also had some complain that I was giving too much homework but

> again this is a college level course and they have to spend the time. I found

> that when I made them do homework and it was turned in for a grade the pas

> rates were better becuase it forced them to spend time out of class in the

book

> studying and getting imformation. When I started giving out worksheets but not

> mandating them to be completed and turned in then the pass rates on exams

> and NR were not as good. Hence the plus for mandating homework assignments. We

> can tell them to read the book and work in the study guide until we are blue

> in the face but (at least I found) that if we don't give mandatory out of

> class assignments most students will not pick up the book between classes and

> read and study the material. Depends on how bad they want it and how hard they

> are willing to work for it. Yes we have a long way to go but if we keep

> plugging along we may make it. I also agree that many publishers

> power points are lacking in the information they contain and I constantly

> find myself adding to it. I even did my own powerpoint for elderly parieints

> because the information ws so lacking when it came to assessment and

> physiological changes of the aging. Anyway that's my nickle's worth. Everyo ne

have a

> great week adn take care, stay safe out ther.

> ANnta ;NREMTP/

>

> Take care and stay safe always.

> " Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and your plans will succeed. "

> (Proverbs: 16:3)

> May God Smile on you today.

>

> ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ _

>

October 31, 2007

I agree with in that there needs to be better screening of potential

students. In the program I taught for we had many students who had a hard time

reading at a ninth grade reading level and this is a college level course!

Another thing we deal with here is that many of our students do not have a good

grasp of the English language and this creates a hardship for them because they

do not understand what we are tryong to say. They are not able to read the text

because they can't read English.Unfortunately if they can't read and write

English they are not going to pass exams and NR to receive certification. I am

not against anyone being bilingual at all, I think it is great, especially when

you live on the border, But all of their testing is done in English and

therefore they need to have a good working knowledge and be able to read and

write it.

However I also had some complain that I was giving too much homework but

again this is a college level course and they have to spend the time. I found

that when I made them do homework and it was turned in for a grade the pas rates

were better becuase it forced them to spend time out of class in the book

studying and getting imformation. When I started giving out worksheets but not

mandating them to be completed and turned in then the pass rates on exams and NR

were not as good. Hence the plus for mandating homework assignments. We can

tell them to read the book and work in the study guide until we are blue in the

face but (at least I found) that if we don't give mandatory out of class

assignments most students will not pick up the book between classes and read and

study the material. Depends on how bad they want it and how hard they are

willing to work for it. Yes we have a long way to go but if we keep plugging

along we may make it. I also agree that many publishers

power points are lacking in the information they contain and I constantly find

myself adding to it. I even did my own powerpoint for elderly parieints because

the information ws so lacking when it came to assessment and physiological

changes of the aging. Anyway that's my nickle's worth. Everyo ne have a great

week adn take care, stay safe out ther.

ANnta ;NREMTP/LP

Take care and stay safe always.

" Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and your plans will succeed. "

(Proverbs: 16:3)

May God Smile on you today.

__________________________________________________

November 1, 2007

Gene:

I think you are searching for the holy grail of students " the ideal " one. Many

times, he does not exist out there. I have taught students in the military as

well as civilians. There is a reason for the varying levels of accountability

and responsibility. Not every parent instills this in their child or young

adult. I have had to use all methods of teaching. The power points, the book,

reading it, because I will tell them off the get go be prepared for a test at

anytime including the first session. I also have students that are audio

learners. We have to use a method that employs all the senses to teach with.

We too must get to know our students. We have know where their strengths and

weaknesses are, and remediate accordingly in our teaching methods. We have a

system of education in the US which teaches various competency tests,a nd not

any attention toward basics. This something we cannot cure ourselves but must

adapt too. As the Marines tell me " Adapt,Improvise, and overcome " . I have

learned a lot from Carolines books(may she rest in peace),she geared her

books and methods for the less than ideal student. She got out their with the

skirmishers,and did the job with gusto in Pittsburgh. I also think we have to be

alert for students with ADHD,ADD, and other learning challenges. You would be

surprised as to what percentage of EMS personnel have this problem, it floored

me when I found out a significant %age.We have to motivate the teachers to teach

our lessons well, we have one major advantage over many, real world experience.

Finally, we need to teach material that first has real world application, and

that which will lead them ultimately lead to a degree. Finally, we must teach

them things that will help them better treat what they see and find out what is

wrong with their patient. We must also teach them what tools, medications and

devices will help them out. How to do their mission is squarely our

responsibility. If I can teach a squad of infantry(not highly regarded as

geniuses,yet must know more about his tools,how to use them, and overcome his

enemy). to do his job, We as teachers can motivate and teach. There must be a

reason that student, of all ability levels come to our institution. Our job is

to teach, I feel we need to adapt ourselves and use technology to do this. We

also must not forget old technology when the modern fails, because it does and

some of it is still out there. My .02 cents from the beema(pulpit).

Regards,rabbiems

Re: Re: Caroline's Emergency Care in the Streets

Anita,

You make some very good points. Unfortunately, there is seemingly no sense

of self responsibility or accountability in lots of our young students. Not

all. Some will astound one with their devotion to learning. Some are just

smarter than others. Oops. Not politically correct. But factually

correct. Not to say that it takes a rocket scientist to pass paramedic and even

be