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In a message dated 10/18/2007 8:42:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

Forgive them of their past and embrace them AND EMSAT!

Thanks you Doc B. I can't make up for anything that happened in the past but

I do try my best today and tomorrow.

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In a message dated 10/18/2007 11:24:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

scottywmiles@... writes:

EMSAT has never done anything but cash checks and put out a few position

papers. NAEMT although more active than EMSAT still falls way below.

Actually, we have tracked bills in the legislature, commented in writing to

Members of the legislature and even testified in committee for some EMS

related things, individual Members of the Board of Directors have also written

letters and lobbied for things related to both state level and national level

EMS issues.

It's really hard to get anyone to listen in places like Austin and

Washington, D.C. when you have <350 Members.

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In a message dated 10/18/2007 12:14:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

ambubag@... writes:

I will be sending my check in for EMSAT this coming payday.

Thanks and while you are waiting for payday perhaps you can chat with others

at your work and help to get them in the mix as well.

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I would have no problem with a nurse working in the ambulance if s/he was

also a paramedic, but I would have a BIG problem with a nurse who was not a

paramedic. Primary street care is quite different from nursing care. Some of

the best people I know are RN/Paramedics, but most of them fly. I don't

currently know one who works a ground ambulance. I don't know why anybody

would

given the differences in pay.

Gene G.

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>

> You miss my entire point. There are nurses all over this country that

> perform in the field as part of their job, I truly believe it is greater

> than 1% of all nurses but can't dispute that with facts so I won't try.

> Nurses work in emergency environments, nurses work in the back of

> ambulances, nurses work on scene in the field. There is no more lack of

> credibility there than those of us that grew up with ny and Roy and

> decided to become paramedics. The lack of credibility would have been if

> nurses did not ever work in the environments depicted.

> Rick

>

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> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On

> Behalf Of Larry

> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:16 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Subject: RE: & commercial

>

> I have seen some of the others and they are great. Why risk credibility

> with a commercial like this one?

>

> " , Rick " <rick.moore@...

> <mailto:rick.mailto:rick.<wbrmailto:ric> > wrote: That was just one of

> many commercials that depicted many different areas of nursing. The

> commercials were not limited to emergency nursing or high excitement

> areas of practice.

> Rick

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> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> ] On Behalf Of Larry

> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:33 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> Subject: RE: & commercial

>

> The J and J commercial does a disservice to both nursing and EMS. Not

> only does it ignore reality by eliminating the medic from the picture,

> it puts a nurse in an environment that certainly less that 1% of RNs

> have ever experienced. It creates an illusion all the way around.

> Nursing does not need to be sold on false excitement; that is

> intellectual dishonesty.

>

> Larry LP (first) RN (sometimes)

>

> " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;

> the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. the simpl

> 22:3

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In a message dated 10/18/2007 10:22:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

I don't currently know one who works a ground ambulance. I don't know why

anybody would given the differences in pay.

Back home in NJ and PA I know a LOT of Medic types that got their RN and do

the RN thing as the " side job " since they make a higher per hour wage but they

tend to stay on the street as a Medic for the love of the job.

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In a message dated 18-Oct-07 22:22:42 Central Daylight Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

I would have no problem with a nurse working in the ambulance if s/he was

also a paramedic, but I would have a BIG problem with a nurse who was not a

paramedic. Primary street care is quite different from nursing care. Some of

the best people I know are RN/Paramedics, but most of them fly. I don't

currently know one who works a ground ambulance. I don't know why anybody

would

given the differences in pay.

here in small town Missouri, I know a number of ED nurses who also work the

rigs, including at least two who are actually FNP's, who 'worked up' from

Basic, much as I did.

and maybe EMSAT needs to have an 'out of state' chapter as well...

ck

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In a message dated 10/19/2007 2:22:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

krin135@... writes:

and maybe EMSAT needs to have an 'out of state' chapter as well...

We have several Members that are from out of state but have an interest in

Texas EMS. Grayson, Lou Jordan, Scadden, Kat Richey off the top pf

my head.

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In a message dated 19-Oct-07 13:00:13 Central Daylight Time,

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In a message dated 10/19/2007 2:22:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) writes:

and maybe EMSAT needs to have an 'out of state' chapter as well...

We have several Members that are from out of state but have an interest in

Texas EMS. Grayson, Lou Jordan, Scadden, Kat Richey off the top

pf

my head.

Chuckle...you mean 'several other members,' don't you?

ck

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In a message dated 10/19/2007 1:28:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

Grayson902@... writes:

Yup, which reminds me. I need to renew my membership. Next month at the

conference okay?

I think if memory serves you did in fact join at Conference so in that case

you would be a paid in full Member to that month hence yes and still be able

to vote, if you joined before that or need to verify that you eligible to vote

contact Teena Welch at _emsatinfo@..._ (mailto:emsatinfo@...) to

verify same.

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In a message dated 10/19/2007 1:31:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

krin135@... writes:

Chuckle...you mean 'several other members,' don't you?

Are you a Member? I did not realize if that's the case.

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Hey, don't forget about moi!

GG

>

>

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> In a message dated 10/19/2007 2:22:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> krin135@... writes:

>

> and maybe EMSAT needs to have an 'out of state' chapter as well...

>

> We have several Members that are from out of state but have an interest in

> Texas EMS. Grayson, Lou Jordan, Scadden, Kat Richey off the top

> pf

> my head.

>

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Chuck,

I'm glad that you do have some RNs who have the background, experience, and

willingness to work in the field. But I think that's quite the unusual

situation.

I agree that there ought to be a chapter of EMSAT for us expatriates.

GG

>

>

> In a message dated 18-Oct-07 22:22:42 Central Daylight Time,

> wegandy1938@wegandy writes:

>

> I would have no problem with a nurse working in the ambulance if s/he was

> also a paramedic, but I would have a BIG problem with a nurse who was not a

> paramedic. Primary street care is quite different from nursing care. Some of

> the best people I know are RN/Paramedics, but most of them fly. I don't

> currently know one who works a ground ambulance. I don't know why anybody

> would

> given the differences in pay.

>

> here in small town Missouri, I know a number of ED nurses who also work the

> rigs, including at least two who are actually FNP's, who 'worked up' from

> Basic, much as I did.

>

> and maybe EMSAT needs to have an 'out of state' chapter as well...

>

> ck

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In a message dated 19-Oct-07 13:49:39 Central Daylight Time,

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In a message dated 10/19/2007 1:31:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) writes:

Chuckle...you mean 'several other members,' don't you?

Are you a Member? I did not realize if that's the case.

pardon, I was talking about the list. Knowing that there are that many other

'out of state members' of EMSAT (and such distinguished company), I'll have

to put it on the list for next payday.

ck

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In a message dated 10/19/2007 1:57:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

Hey, don't forget about moi!

True your an out of state Member.............. FOR NOW.

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In a message dated 10/19/2007 2:09:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

krin135@... writes:

I'll have to put it on the list for next payday.

You are most welcomed to join the ranks of EMSAT Dr. Krin

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In a message dated 10/19/2007 2:09:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

I agree that there ought to be a chapter of EMSAT for us expatriates.

I see nothing from prohibiting a Chapter specially for those non Texas

Residents.

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I see some of the same old rivalry that seems to go on and on between nurses and

paramedics. Yes we are at the forefront of prehospital and field care but as

Rick said some of these nurses may also routinely provide care in the

field. Yes it is our fault we are not seen so; instead of just " ambulance

drivers " because the public does not know what we are capable of. Also think

about this: how many nurses especially ER or other critical nurses startesd out

just as we are, EMTs and Paramedics, I know several, some still work with us in

the field to maintain their paramedic certs. I personally do not see myself

becoming a nurse, I enjoy being a paramedic and I enjoy teaching, but I have

worked right alongside some nurses that did not forget where they came from and

some that even though they did not start out as EMT truly apprediate what w are

capable of I have even had some NURSES tell me that they could not do what we

do. I for one have a deep respect for nurses and

what they do, I also have a deep respect for what we do as EMTs and paramedics.

So what if the commercial was disturbing, like mentioned earlier, it was a

recruiting tool for nursing. Do we have one for EMS? I haven't seen any. So if

that commercial made you angry then get up off your " keister " and do something

instead of sitting at the combuter comlaining about it!. Be it joining a

professional organization or maybe looking into job fairs in our area, what

about going to the schol career days, those too are good recruiting tools,

health fairs, etc.. There is a lot that can be done locally to educate the

public as to what we are capable of and the differences between nursesand

paramedocs, without the rivalry, our ERs are even hiring paramedics to work as

paramedics which keeps costs down and promotes the role of the paramedic in more

than just out of hospital care. Think about it, what can you do in your area to

promote the EMS system and paramedoicine?

Anita

NREMTP/LP.

Take care and stay safe always.

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Well said. We are responsible for the low standing that we have, and all

the things you mention are things we should be doing.

BTW, it will be time to renew your EMSAT membership soon, or if you haven't

joined, to do so. Same with NAEMT.

GG

>

> I see some of the same old rivalry that seems to go on and on between nurses

> and paramedics. Yes we are at the forefront of prehospital and field care

> but as Rick said some of these nurses may also routinely provide care in

> the field. Yes it is our fault we are not seen so; instead of just " ambulance

> drivers " because the public does not know what we are capable of. Also think

> about this: how many nurses especially ER or other critical nurses startesd

> out just as we are, EMTs and Paramedics, I know several, some still work with

> us in the field to maintain their paramedic certs. I personally do not see

> myself becoming a nurse, I enjoy being a paramedic and I enjoy teaching, but I

> have worked right alongside some nurses that did not forget where they came

> from and some that even though they did not start out as EMT truly apprediate

> what w are capable of I have even had some NURSES tell me that they could

> not do what we do. I for one have a deep respect for nurses and

> what they do, I also have a deep respect for what we do as EMTs and

> paramedics. So what if the commercial was disturbing, like mentioned earlier,

it was

> a recruiting tool for nursing. Do we have one for EMS? I haven't seen any. So

> if that commercial made you angry then get up off your " keister " and do

> something instead of sitting at the combuter comlaining about it!. Be it

joining

> a professional organization or maybe looking into job fairs in our area, what

> about going to the schol career days, those too are good recruiting tools,

> health fairs, etc.. There is a lot that can be done locally to educate the

> public as to what we are capable of and the differences between nursesand

> paramedocs, without the rivalry, our ERs are even hiring paramedics to work as

> paramedics which keeps costs down and promotes the role of the paramedic in

more

> than just out of hospital care. Think about it, what can you do in your area

> to promote the EMS system and paramedoicine?

> Anita

> NREMTP/LP.

>

> Take care and stay safe always.

> " Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and your plans will succeed. "

> (Proverbs: 16:3)

> May God Smile on you today.

>

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Anita,

I wrote the original post. No where in it do you hear me bash nurses. I

bashed the fact that a corporations promotion of nursing showed 2 of three

scenes that are more often where you will see EMS working. I too have worked

alongside many fantastic nurses, most in the hospital setting and a few in

the field setting. My Paramedic instructor was both nurse and paramedic and

I learned much from her.

There is no anger toward nursing from me. There is aggravation about that

particular commercial. Has my world come to an end over it? Of course not! I

just have a problem with the crappy commercial.

As for my keister, the original poster, I drag it 80 miles one way to

multiple RAC meetings each month. I have served on the Executive Board of

SPEMS since the early 90s and the Executive Board of B-RAC since inception.

I am an advanced coordinator, EMS Director, BLS/ACLS Instructor, peer

reviewer for my Medical Director and very involved at the regional level. I

speak at schools, civic organizations and just about anywhere else I am

asked. I have been a Volunteer EMT and firefighter, paid field medic and a

few things in between. My EMS career has spanned 37 years.

So, the commercial upset me (and others), humor me if I get upset while J & J

portrays the ambulance I work in and the scenes I respond to DAILY as a

nurses regular work. After all, the skin wears thin after 37 years as an

“Ambulance Driver”

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I see some of the same old rivalry that seems to go on and on between nurses

and paramedics. Yes we are at the forefront of prehospital and field care

but as Rick said some of these nurses may also routinely provide care

in the field. Yes it is our fault we are not seen so; instead of just

" ambulance drivers " because the public does not know what we are capable of.

Also think about this: how many nurses especially ER or other critical

nurses startesd out just as we are, EMTs and Paramedics, I know several,

some still work with us in the field to maintain their paramedic certs. I

personally do not see myself becoming a nurse, I enjoy being a paramedic and

I enjoy teaching, but I have worked right alongside some nurses that did not

forget where they came from and some that even though they did not start out

as EMT truly apprediate what w are capable of I have even had some NURSES

tell me that they could not do what we do. I for one have a deep respect for

nurses and

what they do, I also have a deep respect for what we do as EMTs and

paramedics. So what if the commercial was disturbing, like mentioned

earlier, it was a recruiting tool for nursing. Do we have one for EMS? I

haven't seen any. So if that commercial made you angry then get up off your

" keister " and do something instead of sitting at the combuter comlaining

about it!. Be it joining a professional organization or maybe looking into

job fairs in our area, what about going to the schol career days, those too

are good recruiting tools, health fairs, etc.. There is a lot that can be

done locally to educate the public as to what we are capable of and the

differences between nursesand paramedocs, without the rivalry, our ERs are

even hiring paramedics to work as paramedics which keeps costs down and

promotes the role of the paramedic in more than just out of hospital care.

Think about it, what can you do in your area to promote the EMS system and

paramedoicine?

Anita

NREMTP/LP.

Take care and stay safe always.

" Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and your plans will succeed. "

(Proverbs: 16:3)

May God Smile on you today.

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