Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I have seen that and it turned my stomach. I wrote to J & J and protested, but they didn't have the courtesy to reply. I will avoid their products. Gene G. > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & commercial > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients while > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE BACK > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, providing > care to a patient. > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during transport > and finally in the ED. > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation in > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Well said, . GG > > This J & J ad ran initially months ago. NAEMT responded strongly and I > understand J & J will be sponsoring a similar ad for EMS. In this case, I > think NAEMT did the best they could (1 board member works for J & J). Jerry > ston is in the process of turning NAEMT around. I have been very > critical of NAEMT (remember the Captain Crunch uniform comments?), but they > have changed their bylaws, opened their records, and Jerry has done an > outstanding job. Forgive them of their past and embrace them AND EMSAT! > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:24 AM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: RE: & commercial > > I mention these groups because they do exist. The only way I know to make > them more effective is through an active membership. We have organizations > there, but we must become ACTIVE in them. Simply being a member will only > result in cashed checks. I agree with that being an active member will > further develop the organization. In the years I have been in EMS, I have > seen a number of organizations form and dissolve. Since we have EMSAT now, I > would hope we can make it stronger. I personally have not been active and I > do need to heed my own word. I invite those like me to join me. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Re: & commercial > > Mr. s views are on track, but the organizations he mentions are not > performing their intended mission. > > EMSAT has never done anything but cash checks and put out a few position > papers. NAEMT although more active than EMSAT still falls way below. > > I still am involved and belong to these organizations, but we all need to be > more active, it will take more than a few of us to make a difference. > Furthermore if the organizations that exist today don't work, lets create > one that will. > > Miles > > On 10/18/07, <emsdir (AT) mywdo (DOT) <mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> com> > wrote: > > > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > > commercial > > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > > while > > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > > BACK > > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > > providing > > care to a patient. > > > > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > > transport > > and finally in the ED. > > > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > > in > > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > > > , Director > > > > Seminole EMS > > > > 302 S. Main > > > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > > > > > FAX > > > > Cell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Rick, Well said. I applaud you and the other nurses that have a clue. Unfortunately, most of them do not. Neither do many medics. Like the farmers and the cowboys, the nurses and the medics should be friends. Unfortunately, the animosity that exists between them is not going away. One can place the blame on either group, and one would be right. When a company like J & J that should know better shows a nurse acting as a medic without making it clear that this is an unusual role for a nurse, it cannot help but cause anger and resentment among the medics. It was a mindlessly stupid commercial but not surprising since the EMS community consistently fails to tell its story in any effective way. Out of all the nurses in the US, how many of them have EVER been on a ground ambulance as a primary caregiver? Only a minuscule percentage. How many nurses would have the slightest clue how to handle a real emergency call in the field? Few. And being a flight nurse is far form being a field medic on an ambulance. Two entirely different things. I hope J & J will correct its mistake, but until it does, I am not buying anything they make. I urge the rest of you to vote with your dollars as well, and let J & J know why you're not buying their products. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Speaking as a nurse and a paramedic I can understand why these commercials > stepped on the EMS toes. But I can also consider the fact that they were > designed to show all sides of nursing as a recruiting tool. Did anyone consider > the fact that the nurse in the ambulance and the nurse at the motorcycle crash > may have been a flight nurse, who routinely does make scene calls? Or what > about the growing number of EMS services that employ RN's to provide critical > care in the field and transport settings. This is why the ENA has developed > the CTRN (certified transport registered nurse) certification. > I became involved in EMS while working in a rural area with a volunteer EMS. > The hospital realized the importance of EMS and sponsored 9 nurses through > three levels of EMS training, so that the EMS service would have a larger pool > of volunteers. I have long been famous (well locally anyway) for saying > " being a paramedic definitely helps me to be a better nurse but being a nurse > does not help me be a better paramedic " . Yes, I truly believe that. > I have since moved on from the rural area, but keep my paramedic licensure > current and I teach in a local paramedic training program. I also serve as the > liaison between my hospital ED and the various EMS services in our region. > The most common dispute that I mediate is due to EMS and Nursing not > understanding each other's roll. I work very hard at trying to bridge that gap and am > working to institute a program that will put nurses out in the field riding > with and learning from the EMS. It is high time for both disciplines to learn > how to work together rather that against each other. > I'll step down off my soap box now. > Rick , RN, LP, EMS-I > College Station, Texas > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of wegandy1938@wegandy > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:24 AM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: Re: & commercial > > I have seen that and it turned my stomach. I wrote to J & J and protested, > but they didn't have the courtesy to reply. > > I will avoid their products. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 10/18/07 5:21:40 AM, emsdir@... < > mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> writes: > > > > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > commercial > > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > while > > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > BACK > > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > providing > > care to a patient. > > > > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > transport > > and finally in the ED. > > > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > in > > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > > > , Director > > > > Seminole EMS > > > > 302 S. Main > > > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > > > > > FAX > > > > Cell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Yes. Go to work in AZ and become a part of a " Mother May I " system. Get ready to call in for an order to " start IV with D5W, insert esophageal airway and transport as soon as possible, " from Nurse Wretched at UMC. I exaggerate, but not much. AZ is 20 years behind Texas in its EMS systems. I am finding out daily just how bad it is. I am also finding out what a crisis in emergency care exists throughout AZ. Tucson can barely keep its only remaining Level I Trauma Center open for lack of trauma surgeons. Tyler, TX, a town of 100,000 people, has more trauma surgeons than Tucson, a city of over 1 million. On any given day there is no neurosurgery service IN THE CITY and maybe not in the state, no plastic surgery, no hand surgery, no orthopedic service in some hospitals, not enough OB/GYN docs, and so forth. The ER docs are doing orthopedic work that they're not qualified to do simply because the orthopods won't take ER call. If you get a hand mangled or a finger cut off, you'd better call for air and get yourself to El Paso. If you have a stroke or a heart attack, you're looking at a very long door to cath time, and if you've got head trauma, prepare to be flown to Phoenix if you're lucky, and if you're not, to El Paso, San Diego, LA, or Las Vegas. If you want to work in AZ you'll most likely be working either for Rural/Metro and one of its clones, or a fire department. There are SOME bright spots, but not many. Sierra Vista is one, but I can't think of another. I'm sure there are some others, but overall, the whole state system is archaic and backward. A statewide SOP, a state mandated drug list, and so forth. Local systems are severely restricted in how they can improve due to the state's bureaucratic structure. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > While there are some agency nurses that make upwards of $60/hr, that is > a rarity based on supply and demand within a certain geographic area and > not the norm. For the most part EMS folks are not paid well enough and > that needs to change soon. Although I have to say, just last night I was > reading my current copy of JEMS and saw to ads for paramedics in > different areas of Arizona (my home state). One service offered an > annual paramedic salary which is just a little higher than mine and the > other an annual salary that matches mine. > Rick RN,LP > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of Hudson > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:18 AM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: RE: & commercial > > I suppose they don't want to show them making $60/hr. setting at a desk > charting.... c > ____________ ________ ________ _ > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > [texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ] On > Behalf Of [emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> ] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:20 AM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > Subject: & commercial > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > commercial > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > while > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by > these > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > BACK > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With > jump > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the > roadway > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > providing > care to a patient. > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > transport > and finally in the ED. > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > in > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I > will > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status > with > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Yep. There are two fulltime trauma surgeons in Tucson, plus one who flies down from New York a couple of days a week and one who drives down from Phoenix a couple of days. There are no neurosurgeons on Friday, Sat, and Sunday, so if you get your head bashed you're going to El Paso or Phoenix or San Diego or Las Vegas is you live long enough to get there. Cardiac and stroke care are better, if you know where to go. One would think that University Medical Center, the medical school's hospital would lead the pack. Not so, and far from it. If you're in heart failure, it rates only 69 out of 100, whereas Tucson Heart rates 91. There are wide differences in care, and if you're uninsured and go to University Kino, you should order PBAB (pine box at bedside) enroute. Phoenix is just as bad. It's either St. Joe's or Mayo's if you want to survive. GG > > I hear that, a friend of mine from Parkland accepted an position at > Phoenix Children's as the Trauma Program Manager last year. > Too make a long story short she is back at Parkland. I have been > following the story of the Trauma center troubles. I was raised in Casa > Grande and lived in Chandler when we made the decision to move to Texas. > Rick , RN LP > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of wegandy1938@wegandy > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:46 AM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: Re: & commercial > > Yes. Go to work in AZ and become a part of a " Mother May I " system. Get > ready to call in for an order to " start IV with D5W, insert esophageal > airway and > transport as soon as possible, " from Nurse Wretched at UMC. I > exaggerate, but not much. > > AZ is 20 years behind Texas in its EMS systems. I am finding out daily > just how bad it is. > > I am also finding out what a crisis in emergency care exists throughout > AZ. > Tucson can barely keep its only remaining Level I Trauma Center open for > > lack of trauma surgeons. Tyler, TX, a town of 100,000 people, has more > trauma > surgeons than Tucson, a city of over 1 million. > > On any given day there is no neurosurgery service IN THE CITY and maybe > not > in the state, no plastic surgery, no hand surgery, no orthopedic service > in > some hospitals, not enough OB/GYN docs, and so forth. The ER docs are > doing > orthopedic work that they're not qualified to do simply because the > orthopods > won't take ER call. If you get a hand mangled or a finger cut off, you'd > > better call for air and get yourself to El Paso. > > If you have a stroke or a heart attack, you're looking at a very long > door to > cath time, and if you've got head trauma, prepare to be flown to Phoenix > if > you're lucky, and if you're not, to El Paso, San Diego, LA, or Las > Vegas. > > If you want to work in AZ you'll most likely be working either for > Rural/Metro and one of its clones, or a fire department. > > There are SOME bright spots, but not many. Sierra Vista is one, but I > can't > think of another. I'm sure there are some others, but overall, the whole > > state system is archaic and backward. A statewide SOP, a state mandated > drug > list, and so forth. Local systems are severely restricted in how they > can > improve due to the state's bureaucratic structure. > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > In a message dated 10/18/07 7:11:17 AM, rick.moore@... > <mailto:rick.mailto:rick.<wbrmailto:ric> writes: > > > > > While there are some agency nurses that make upwards of $60/hr, that > is > > a rarity based on supply and demand within a certain geographic area > and > > not the norm. For the most part EMS folks are not paid well enough and > > that needs to change soon. Although I have to say, just last night I > was > > reading my current copy of JEMS and saw to ads for paramedics in > > different areas of Arizona (my home state). One service offered an > > annual paramedic salary which is just a little higher than mine and > the > > other an annual salary that matches mine. > > Rick RN,LP > > > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro From: texasems-l@yahoogr From: texasems- F > On > > Behalf Of Hudson > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:18 AM > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro To: te > > Subject: RE: & commercial > > > > I suppose they don't want to show them making $60/hr. setting at a > desk > > charting.... c > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro From: t<mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > > [texasems-l@ [texasems-l@<wb<mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ] On > > Behalf Of [emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> > <mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> ] > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:20 AM > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro To: tex<mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > > Subject: & commercial > > > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > > commercial > > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > > while > > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by > > these > > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing > profession. > > > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN > THE > > BACK > > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With > > jump > > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the > > roadway > > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > > providing > > care to a patient. > > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > > transport > > and finally in the ED. > > > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this > corporation > > in > > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I > > will > > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status > > with > > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > > > , Director > > > > Seminole EMS > > > > 302 S. Main > > > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > > > > > FAX > > > > Cell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Rick, It's not fair! Sometimes I'm not fair! When I'm mad, I'm not fair! LOL. I probably still buy J & J products because I don't know what all of them are, and I probably don't spend more than $5 a year on Q-tips and BandAids, so I doubt their CEO had to sell his Bentley on my account. I would really like for them to correct it, and seems to think they will, or at least they promised NAEMT they would. I would think better of them if they had answered my letter, but these days, one cannot expect simple courtesy from a company one buys from. They don't give a rat's patoot what I think, so I'm still mad at them. I just find it mind boggling that a company like that who sells so much to EMS didn't have any better idea of what goes on in EMS. I also find it a little smarmy that the nurseys were able to put one over on them with a campaign that they KNEW was misleading and inaccurate. Let them put out a nice commercial about real EMS people, and I'll immediately buy a new box of Q-Tips and a box of Band Aids. Maybe even a roll of Kling.......Nah! I still like Kerlix. Kendall gets my nickel on that. Gene > > Mr. Gandy, > I am a long admirer of your work and respect your position, but is it > fair to punish and for doing what they thought was right > to help with a well publicized national nursing shortage? Possibly it > was not brought to J & J's attention by the nursing advocacy groups that > field work isn't part of the routine day of a nurse. How many of us meet > ambulances in the bay and perform advanced procedures before the patient > gets wheeled inside? Not many of us, but ER is still one of the most > popular television shows around. Personally I wish everyone would > boycott 's for the current commercial that depicts people inhaling > helium, but I understand that they paid big bucks for some unknowing > advertising executive to come up with that ridiculous concept. > As Dr. Bledsoe said earlier J & J has heard from the EMS community and is > supposed to run similar spots for EMS. > Rick > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of wegandy1938@wegandy > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:22 AM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: Re: & commercial > > Rick, > > Well said. I applaud you and the other nurses that have a clue. > Unfortunately, most of them do not. Neither do many medics. > > Like the farmers and the cowboys, the nurses and the medics should be > friends. > > Unfortunately, the animosity that exists between them is not going away. > > One can place the blame on either group, and one would be right. > > When a company like J & J that should know better shows a nurse acting as > a > medic without making it clear that this is an unusual role for a nurse, > it cannot > help but cause anger and resentment among the medics. It was a > mindlessly > stupid commercial but not surprising since the EMS community > consistently fails > to tell its story in any effective way. > > Out of all the nurses in the US, how many of them have EVER been on a > ground > ambulance as a primary caregiver? Only a minuscule percentage. > > How many nurses would have the slightest clue how to handle a real > emergency > call in the field? Few. And being a flight nurse is far form being a > field > medic on an ambulance. Two entirely different things. > > I hope J & J will correct its mistake, but until it does, I am not buying > anything they make. I urge the rest of you to vote with your dollars as > well, and > let J & J know why you're not buying their products. > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > In a message dated 10/18/07 6:58:25 AM, rick.moore@... > <mailto:rick.mailto:rick.<wbrmailto:ric> writes: > > > > > Speaking as a nurse and a paramedic I can understand why these > commercials > > stepped on the EMS toes. But I can also consider the fact that they > were > > designed to show all sides of nursing as a recruiting tool. Did anyone > consider > > the fact that the nurse in the ambulance and the nurse at the > motorcycle crash > > may have been a flight nurse, who routinely does make scene calls? Or > what > > about the growing number of EMS services that employ RN's to provide > critical > > care in the field and transport settings. This is why the ENA has > developed > > the CTRN (certified transport registered nurse) certification. > > I became involved in EMS while working in a rural area with a > volunteer EMS. > > The hospital realized the importance of EMS and sponsored 9 nurses > through > > three levels of EMS training, so that the EMS service would have a > larger pool > > of volunteers. I have long been famous (well locally anyway) for > saying > > " being a paramedic definitely helps me to be a better nurse but being > a nurse > > does not help me be a better paramedic " . Yes, I truly believe that. > > I have since moved on from the rural area, but keep my paramedic > licensure > > current and I teach in a local paramedic training program. I also > serve as the > > liaison between my hospital ED and the various EMS services in our > region. > > The most common dispute that I mediate is due to EMS and Nursing not > > understanding each other's roll. I work very hard at trying to bridge > that gap and am > > working to institute a program that will put nurses out in the field > riding > > with and learning from the EMS. It is high time for both disciplines > to learn > > how to work together rather that against each other. > > I'll step down off my soap box now. > > Rick , RN, LP, EMS-I > > College Station, Texas > > > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro From: texasems-l@yahoogr From: texasems- F > On > > Behalf Of wegandy1938@ Behalf > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:24 AM > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro To: te > > Subject: Re: & commercial > > > > I have seen that and it turned my stomach. I wrote to J & J and > protested, > > but they didn't have the courtesy to reply. > > > > I will avoid their products. > > > > Gene G. > > In a message dated 10/18/07 5:21:40 AM, emsdir@... > <mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> < > > mailto:emsdir% mailto:ems> writes: > > > > > > > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > > commercial > > > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes > were > > > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to > patients > > while > > > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by > these > > > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing > profession. > > > > > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN > THE > > BACK > > > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > > > > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. > With jump > > > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the > roadway > > > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > > > > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > > providing > > > care to a patient. > > > > > > > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing > is > > > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > > transport > > > and finally in the ED. > > > > > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > > > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this > corporation > > in > > > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as > I will > > > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status > with > > > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > > > > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > > > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > > > > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > > > > > , Director > > > > > > Seminole EMS > > > > > > 302 S. Main > > > > > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > > > > > > > > > FAX > > > > > > Cell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Mr. s views are on track, but the organizations he mentions are not performing their intended mission. EMSAT has never done anything but cash checks and put out a few position papers. NAEMT although more active than EMSAT still falls way below. I still am involved and belong to these organizations, but we all need to be more active, it will take more than a few of us to make a difference. Furthermore if the organizations that exist today don't work, lets create one that will. Miles > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > commercial > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > while > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > BACK > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > providing > care to a patient. > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > transport > and finally in the ED. > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > in > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I suppose they don't want to show them making $60/hr. setting at a desk charting...... ________________________________ From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of [emsdir@...] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:20 AM To: texasems-l Subject: & commercial While watching news early this morning, I saw a & commercial supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients while the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE BACK OF AN AMBULANCE! Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, providing care to a patient. I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during transport and finally in the ED. How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation in their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them together for the better good of the EMS profession. Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I mention these groups because they do exist. The only way I know to make them more effective is through an active membership. We have organizations there, but we must become ACTIVE in them. Simply being a member will only result in cashed checks. I agree with that being an active member will further develop the organization. In the years I have been in EMS, I have seen a number of organizations form and dissolve. Since we have EMSAT now, I would hope we can make it stronger. I personally have not been active and I do need to heed my own word. I invite those like me to join me. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Re: & commercial Mr. s views are on track, but the organizations he mentions are not performing their intended mission. EMSAT has never done anything but cash checks and put out a few position papers. NAEMT although more active than EMSAT still falls way below. I still am involved and belong to these organizations, but we all need to be more active, it will take more than a few of us to make a difference. Furthermore if the organizations that exist today don't work, lets create one that will. Miles On 10/18/07, <emsdir (AT) mywdo (DOT) <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.com> com> wrote: > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > commercial > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > while > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > BACK > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > providing > care to a patient. > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > transport > and finally in the ED. > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > in > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 This J & J ad ran initially months ago. NAEMT responded strongly and I understand J & J will be sponsoring a similar ad for EMS. In this case, I think NAEMT did the best they could (1 board member works for J & J). Jerry ston is in the process of turning NAEMT around. I have been very critical of NAEMT (remember the Captain Crunch uniform comments?), but they have changed their bylaws, opened their records, and Jerry has done an outstanding job. Forgive them of their past and embrace them AND EMSAT! From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:24 AM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: & commercial I mention these groups because they do exist. The only way I know to make them more effective is through an active membership. We have organizations there, but we must become ACTIVE in them. Simply being a member will only result in cashed checks. I agree with that being an active member will further develop the organization. In the years I have been in EMS, I have seen a number of organizations form and dissolve. Since we have EMSAT now, I would hope we can make it stronger. I personally have not been active and I do need to heed my own word. I invite those like me to join me. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Re: & commercial Mr. s views are on track, but the organizations he mentions are not performing their intended mission. EMSAT has never done anything but cash checks and put out a few position papers. NAEMT although more active than EMSAT still falls way below. I still am involved and belong to these organizations, but we all need to be more active, it will take more than a few of us to make a difference. Furthermore if the organizations that exist today don't work, lets create one that will. Miles On 10/18/07, <emsdir (AT) mywdo (DOT) <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.com> com> wrote: > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > commercial > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > while > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > BACK > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > providing > care to a patient. > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > transport > and finally in the ED. > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > in > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Speaking as a nurse and a paramedic I can understand why these commercials stepped on the EMS toes. But I can also consider the fact that they were designed to show all sides of nursing as a recruiting tool. Did anyone consider the fact that the nurse in the ambulance and the nurse at the motorcycle crash may have been a flight nurse, who routinely does make scene calls? Or what about the growing number of EMS services that employ RN's to provide critical care in the field and transport settings. This is why the ENA has developed the CTRN (certified transport registered nurse) certification. I became involved in EMS while working in a rural area with a volunteer EMS. The hospital realized the importance of EMS and sponsored 9 nurses through three levels of EMS training, so that the EMS service would have a larger pool of volunteers. I have long been famous (well locally anyway) for saying " being a paramedic definitely helps me to be a better nurse but being a nurse does not help me be a better paramedic " . Yes, I truly believe that. I have since moved on from the rural area, but keep my paramedic licensure current and I teach in a local paramedic training program. I also serve as the liaison between my hospital ED and the various EMS services in our region. The most common dispute that I mediate is due to EMS and Nursing not understanding each other's roll. I work very hard at trying to bridge that gap and am working to institute a program that will put nurses out in the field riding with and learning from the EMS. It is high time for both disciplines to learn how to work together rather that against each other. I'll step down off my soap box now. Rick , RN, LP, EMS-I College Station, Texas ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of wegandy1938@... Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:24 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: & commercial I have seen that and it turned my stomach. I wrote to J & J and protested, but they didn't have the courtesy to reply. I will avoid their products. Gene G. In a message dated 10/18/07 5:21:40 AM, emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.com> writes: > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & commercial > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients while > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE BACK > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, providing > care to a patient. > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during transport > and finally in the ED. > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation in > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 While there are some agency nurses that make upwards of $60/hr, that is a rarity based on supply and demand within a certain geographic area and not the norm. For the most part EMS folks are not paid well enough and that needs to change soon. Although I have to say, just last night I was reading my current copy of JEMS and saw to ads for paramedics in different areas of Arizona (my home state). One service offered an annual paramedic salary which is just a little higher than mine and the other an annual salary that matches mine. Rick RN,LP ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Hudson Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:18 AM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: & commercial I suppose they don't want to show them making $60/hr. setting at a desk charting...... ________________________________ From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> [texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of [emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.com> ] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:20 AM To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: & commercial While watching news early this morning, I saw a & commercial supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients while the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE BACK OF AN AMBULANCE! Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, providing care to a patient. I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during transport and finally in the ED. How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation in their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them together for the better good of the EMS profession. Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I hear that, a friend of mine from Parkland accepted an position at Phoenix Children's as the Trauma Program Manager last year. Too make a long story short she is back at Parkland. I have been following the story of the Trauma center troubles. I was raised in Casa Grande and lived in Chandler when we made the decision to move to Texas. Rick , RN LP ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of wegandy1938@... Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:46 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: & commercial Yes. Go to work in AZ and become a part of a " Mother May I " system. Get ready to call in for an order to " start IV with D5W, insert esophageal airway and transport as soon as possible, " from Nurse Wretched at UMC. I exaggerate, but not much. AZ is 20 years behind Texas in its EMS systems. I am finding out daily just how bad it is. I am also finding out what a crisis in emergency care exists throughout AZ. Tucson can barely keep its only remaining Level I Trauma Center open for lack of trauma surgeons. Tyler, TX, a town of 100,000 people, has more trauma surgeons than Tucson, a city of over 1 million. On any given day there is no neurosurgery service IN THE CITY and maybe not in the state, no plastic surgery, no hand surgery, no orthopedic service in some hospitals, not enough OB/GYN docs, and so forth. The ER docs are doing orthopedic work that they're not qualified to do simply because the orthopods won't take ER call. If you get a hand mangled or a finger cut off, you'd better call for air and get yourself to El Paso. If you have a stroke or a heart attack, you're looking at a very long door to cath time, and if you've got head trauma, prepare to be flown to Phoenix if you're lucky, and if you're not, to El Paso, San Diego, LA, or Las Vegas. If you want to work in AZ you'll most likely be working either for Rural/Metro and one of its clones, or a fire department. There are SOME bright spots, but not many. Sierra Vista is one, but I can't think of another. I'm sure there are some others, but overall, the whole state system is archaic and backward. A statewide SOP, a state mandated drug list, and so forth. Local systems are severely restricted in how they can improve due to the state's bureaucratic structure. Gene Gandy, JD, LP In a message dated 10/18/07 7:11:17 AM, rick.moore@... <mailto:rick.moore%40triadhospitals.com> writes: > > While there are some agency nurses that make upwards of $60/hr, that is > a rarity based on supply and demand within a certain geographic area and > not the norm. For the most part EMS folks are not paid well enough and > that needs to change soon. Although I have to say, just last night I was > reading my current copy of JEMS and saw to ads for paramedics in > different areas of Arizona (my home state). One service offered an > annual paramedic salary which is just a little higher than mine and the > other an annual salary that matches mine. > Rick RN,LP > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of Hudson > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:18 AM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: RE: & commercial > > I suppose they don't want to show them making $60/hr. setting at a desk > charting.... c > ____________ ________ ________ _ > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > [texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ] On > Behalf Of [emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.ems> <mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> ] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:20 AM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > Subject: & commercial > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > commercial > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > while > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by > these > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > BACK > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With > jump > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the > roadway > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > providing > care to a patient. > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > transport > and finally in the ED. > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > in > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I > will > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status > with > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Mr. Gandy, I am a long admirer of your work and respect your position, but is it fair to punish and for doing what they thought was right to help with a well publicized national nursing shortage? Possibly it was not brought to J & J's attention by the nursing advocacy groups that field work isn't part of the routine day of a nurse. How many of us meet ambulances in the bay and perform advanced procedures before the patient gets wheeled inside? Not many of us, but ER is still one of the most popular television shows around. Personally I wish everyone would boycott 's for the current commercial that depicts people inhaling helium, but I understand that they paid big bucks for some unknowing advertising executive to come up with that ridiculous concept. As Dr. Bledsoe said earlier J & J has heard from the EMS community and is supposed to run similar spots for EMS. Rick ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of wegandy1938@... Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:22 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: & commercial Rick, Well said. I applaud you and the other nurses that have a clue. Unfortunately, most of them do not. Neither do many medics. Like the farmers and the cowboys, the nurses and the medics should be friends. Unfortunately, the animosity that exists between them is not going away. One can place the blame on either group, and one would be right. When a company like J & J that should know better shows a nurse acting as a medic without making it clear that this is an unusual role for a nurse, it cannot help but cause anger and resentment among the medics. It was a mindlessly stupid commercial but not surprising since the EMS community consistently fails to tell its story in any effective way. Out of all the nurses in the US, how many of them have EVER been on a ground ambulance as a primary caregiver? Only a minuscule percentage. How many nurses would have the slightest clue how to handle a real emergency call in the field? Few. And being a flight nurse is far form being a field medic on an ambulance. Two entirely different things. I hope J & J will correct its mistake, but until it does, I am not buying anything they make. I urge the rest of you to vote with your dollars as well, and let J & J know why you're not buying their products. Gene Gandy, JD, LP In a message dated 10/18/07 6:58:25 AM, rick.moore@... <mailto:rick.moore%40triadhospitals.com> writes: > > Speaking as a nurse and a paramedic I can understand why these commercials > stepped on the EMS toes. But I can also consider the fact that they were > designed to show all sides of nursing as a recruiting tool. Did anyone consider > the fact that the nurse in the ambulance and the nurse at the motorcycle crash > may have been a flight nurse, who routinely does make scene calls? Or what > about the growing number of EMS services that employ RN's to provide critical > care in the field and transport settings. This is why the ENA has developed > the CTRN (certified transport registered nurse) certification. > I became involved in EMS while working in a rural area with a volunteer EMS. > The hospital realized the importance of EMS and sponsored 9 nurses through > three levels of EMS training, so that the EMS service would have a larger pool > of volunteers. I have long been famous (well locally anyway) for saying > " being a paramedic definitely helps me to be a better nurse but being a nurse > does not help me be a better paramedic " . Yes, I truly believe that. > I have since moved on from the rural area, but keep my paramedic licensure > current and I teach in a local paramedic training program. I also serve as the > liaison between my hospital ED and the various EMS services in our region. > The most common dispute that I mediate is due to EMS and Nursing not > understanding each other's roll. I work very hard at trying to bridge that gap and am > working to institute a program that will put nurses out in the field riding > with and learning from the EMS. It is high time for both disciplines to learn > how to work together rather that against each other. > I'll step down off my soap box now. > Rick , RN, LP, EMS-I > College Station, Texas > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of wegandy1938@wegandy > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:24 AM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: Re: & commercial > > I have seen that and it turned my stomach. I wrote to J & J and protested, > but they didn't have the courtesy to reply. > > I will avoid their products. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 10/18/07 5:21:40 AM, emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.ems> < > mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> writes: > > > > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > commercial > > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > while > > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > BACK > > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > providing > > care to a patient. > > > > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > transport > > and finally in the ED. > > > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > in > > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > > > , Director > > > > Seminole EMS > > > > 302 S. Main > > > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > > > > > FAX > > > > Cell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 In a message dated 10/18/2007 2:16:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, larn572001@... writes: Why risk credibility with a commercial like this one? Ad executives that like the glamour but lack the understating if the real world and poor oversight on the part of J and J. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Is this like saying that they thought there bandaids worked.? They just never checked into it. Andy Foote Re: & commercial > > I have seen that and it turned my stomach. I wrote to J & J and protested, > but they didn't have the courtesy to reply. > > I will avoid their products. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 10/18/07 5:21:40 AM, emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.ems> < > mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> writes: > > > > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > commercial > > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > while > > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > BACK > > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > providing > > care to a patient. > > > > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > transport > > and finally in the ED. > > > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > in > > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > > > , Director > > > > Seminole EMS > > > > 302 S. Main > > > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > > > > > FAX > > > > Cell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Guess you got me there Andy, but I have always found their band-aids work well. Seriously though good point. Rick ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of rachfoote@... Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:26 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: & commercial Is this like saying that they thought there bandaids worked.? They just never checked into it. Andy Foote Re: & commercial > > I have seen that and it turned my stomach. I wrote to J & J and protested, > but they didn't have the courtesy to reply. > > I will avoid their products. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 10/18/07 5:21:40 AM, emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.ems> <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.ems> < > mailto:emsdir%mailto:emsd> writes: > > > > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & > commercial > > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients > while > > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE > BACK > > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, > providing > > care to a patient. > > > > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during > transport > > and finally in the ED. > > > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation > in > > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > > > , Director > > > > Seminole EMS > > > > 302 S. Main > > > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > > > > > FAX > > > > Cell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 That is a great explanation Rick; however, the average Joe sitting in his recliner watching TV may not know the difference. There are many times on the ambulance I was referred to as the nurse and I had to politely tell them I am a Paramedic not a nurse. The general public has a long way to go in understanding what we do and are capable of doing as EMT and Paramedics. This is our own fault. I will be sending my check in for EMSAT this coming payday. e, LP Re: & commercial I have seen that and it turned my stomach. I wrote to J & J and protested, but they didn't have the courtesy to reply. I will avoid their products. Gene G. In a message dated 10/18/07 5:21:40 AM, emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.com> writes: > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & commercial > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients while > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE BACK > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, providing > care to a patient. > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during transport > and finally in the ED. > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation in > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I have the same problem with people assuming that I am a doctor, or if they do understand that I am a nurse asking me when I will get out of medical school. My standard response is " why would I want to ruin a good career in nursing to be a doctor " You are right average Joe doesn't understand the difference, but I wonder if it would be such a big deal if we didn't have such turf wars and bad attitudes on both sides of the coin. Personally I think ny and Roy need to come out of retirement and run out of station 51 for a few more years and let the younger generation have a reasonable view of what EMS is and does. Rick ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of ambubag@... Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:14 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: & commercial That is a great explanation Rick; however, the average Joe sitting in his recliner watching TV may not know the difference. There are many times on the ambulance I was referred to as the nurse and I had to politely tell them I am a Paramedic not a nurse. The general public has a long way to go in understanding what we do and are capable of doing as EMT and Paramedics. This is our own fault. I will be sending my check in for EMSAT this coming payday. e, LP Re: & commercial I have seen that and it turned my stomach. I wrote to J & J and protested, but they didn't have the courtesy to reply. I will avoid their products. Gene G. In a message dated 10/18/07 5:21:40 AM, emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.com> <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.com> writes: > > While watching news early this morning, I saw a & commercial > supporting the contributions of nursing to society. Three scenes were > depicted in the commercial showing a nurse providing care to patients while > the narrator extolled the great commitment and contribution made by these > dedicated individuals. All and all a tribute to the nursing profession. > > Scene one was of a nurse ventilating a patient with a BVM ...... IN THE BACK > OF AN AMBULANCE! > > Scene two was of a nurse attending a motorcycle accident victim. With jump > bag in hand, the nurse exits the car and treats the patient on the roadway > with the debris and wrecked cycle in view ... > > Scene three finally showed the nurse in an emergency room setting, providing > care to a patient. > > > I guess this commercial " stepped on my toes " in suggesting nursing is > responsible for the care delivered to the patient at scene, during transport > and finally in the ED. > > How does this happen? Take a look at the strength of the nursing > organizations and how they have garnered the support of this corporation in > their effort to recruit, assist with and educate nurses. THEN do as I will > do today, check the status of YOUR (EMS PERSONNEL) membership status with > EMSAT, NAEMT, etc... . > > In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them > together for the better good of the EMS profession. > > Now, back to your regularly scheduled day. > > , Director > > Seminole EMS > > 302 S. Main > > Seminole, Texas 79360 > > > > FAX > > Cell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 The J and J commercial does a disservice to both nursing and EMS. Not only does it ignore reality by eliminating the medic from the picture, it puts a nurse in an environment that certainly less that 1% of RNs have ever experienced. It creates an illusion all the way around. Nursing does not need to be sold on false excitement; that is intellectual dishonesty. Larry LP (first) RN (sometimes) " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 That was just one of many commercials that depicted many different areas of nursing. The commercials were not limited to emergency nursing or high excitement areas of practice. Rick ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:33 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: & commercial The J and J commercial does a disservice to both nursing and EMS. Not only does it ignore reality by eliminating the medic from the picture, it puts a nurse in an environment that certainly less that 1% of RNs have ever experienced. It creates an illusion all the way around. Nursing does not need to be sold on false excitement; that is intellectual dishonesty. Larry LP (first) RN (sometimes) " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I just E-Mailed JnJ about this injustice to both professions. Lets see if they will reply.......Not going to hold my breath on this one!! Larry wrote: The J and J commercial does a disservice to both nursing and EMS. Not only does it ignore reality by eliminating the medic from the picture, it puts a nurse in an environment that certainly less that 1% of RNs have ever experienced. It creates an illusion all the way around. Nursing does not need to be sold on false excitement; that is intellectual dishonesty. Larry LP (first) RN (sometimes) " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I have seen some of the others and they are great. Why risk credibility with a commercial like this one? " , Rick " wrote: That was just one of many commercials that depicted many different areas of nursing. The commercials were not limited to emergency nursing or high excitement areas of practice. Rick ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:33 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: & commercial The J and J commercial does a disservice to both nursing and EMS. Not only does it ignore reality by eliminating the medic from the picture, it puts a nurse in an environment that certainly less that 1% of RNs have ever experienced. It creates an illusion all the way around. Nursing does not need to be sold on false excitement; that is intellectual dishonesty. Larry LP (first) RN (sometimes) " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 You miss my entire point. There are nurses all over this country that perform in the field as part of their job, I truly believe it is greater than 1% of all nurses but can't dispute that with facts so I won't try. Nurses work in emergency environments, nurses work in the back of ambulances, nurses work on scene in the field. There is no more lack of credibility there than those of us that grew up with ny and Roy and decided to become paramedics. The lack of credibility would have been if nurses did not ever work in the environments depicted. Rick ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:16 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: & commercial I have seen some of the others and they are great. Why risk credibility with a commercial like this one? " , Rick " <rick.moore@... <mailto:rick.moore%40triadhospitals.com> > wrote: That was just one of many commercials that depicted many different areas of nursing. The commercials were not limited to emergency nursing or high excitement areas of practice. Rick ________________________________ From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:33 PM To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: & commercial The J and J commercial does a disservice to both nursing and EMS. Not only does it ignore reality by eliminating the medic from the picture, it puts a nurse in an environment that certainly less that 1% of RNs have ever experienced. It creates an illusion all the way around. Nursing does not need to be sold on false excitement; that is intellectual dishonesty. Larry LP (first) RN (sometimes) " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 In a message dated 10/18/2007 7:21:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, emsdir@... writes: In some manner, we must take our individual strengths and bring them together for the better good of the EMS profession. A very well stated point. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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