Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 In a message dated 9/23/2007 8:21:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, emsfire@... writes: back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink and require black ink only? We had the exact opposite policy. We reasoned that blue ink was blue and when a chart was copied on a copy machine everything dark was black so you knew you were reading an original (assuming you were reading the white copy). Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Are you just wanting to argue or is there a good reason for this question. If your company requires black ink, you use black, if they want red ink, you use red. If they say you can only miss 5 days work in a year, don't miss 6 and then come on the email list and argue that point. Now is there a really GOOD reason you want to know or is it because you caught flack? I think you get my point. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 In a message dated 9/23/2007 10:11:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, paramedic.2418@... writes: I was taught that a run report is a legal document, all legal documents require black ink . My mortgage was signed in blue ink hence its not a legal document? If so I could use that!!! Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 I got some flack for filling out a pt. care report the other day with a blue pen. The hospital I worked at required the docs to use blue ink on the T-sheets. The reasoning is that the forms are printed in black ink on white paper and black pen ink could be missed (especially all those damn check boxes) where as blue is easily seen and photocopies just as well, plus it is easy to tell which is the original. back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink and require black ink only? What do you think? Garrett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 The service I worked for when I resided in Texas required that blue ink not be used... It was never really explained, the management just tried to state that we weren't supposed to use blue ink due to medicare guidelines, or something like that. Never heard it anywhere else though. Joe Percer, LP > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2007 8:21:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > emsfire@... <emsfire%40redsanders.com> writes: > > back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink > > and require black ink only? > > We had the exact opposite policy. We reasoned that blue ink was blue and > when a chart was copied on a copy machine everything dark was black so you > knew > you were reading an original (assuming you were reading the white copy). > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant > > LNMolino@... <LNMolino%40aol.com> > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > by the > original author. > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 I was taught that a run report is a legal document, all legal documents require black ink . Rick Scholwinski Emt-P,Ems-I --- ph Percer wrote: > The service I worked for when I resided in Texas > required that blue ink not > be used... It was never really explained, the > management just tried to state > that we weren't supposed to use blue ink due to > medicare guidelines, or > something like that. Never heard it anywhere else > though. > > Joe Percer, LP > > On 9/23/07, lnmolino@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2007 8:21:47 P.M. Central > Daylight Time, > > emsfire@... <emsfire%40redsanders.com> > writes: > > > > back to the original question, do any of your > services not accept blue ink > > > > and require black ink only? > > > > We had the exact opposite policy. We reasoned that > blue ink was blue and > > when a chart was copied on a copy machine > everything dark was black so you > > knew > > you were reading an original (assuming you were > reading the white copy). > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services > Consulting Services (LNMECS) > > Freelance > Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection > Consultant > > > > LNMolino@... <LNMolino%40aol.com> > > > > (Cell Phone) > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the > opinions of the author and > > the > > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for > any person or > > organization that I am in any way whatsoever > involved or associated with > > unless I > > specifically state that I am doing so. Further > this E-mail is intended > > only for its > > stated recipient and may contain private and or > confidential materials > > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless > placed in the public domain > > by the > > original author. > > > > ************************************** See what's > new at > > http://www.aol.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 I brought it here because one of the officers said " you can't use blue ink, it's a legal document!!! " Where does it say, and where would it actually say that blue ink is not legal. and im not meaning the billing company, but some law where blue ink isnt legal. ive heard of people signing legal papers in red ink and them " not being legal " i dont really see how the color of the ink would make something legal, rather what the ink says. Obviously I'm going to use a black pen from now on, as it's not a big deal and most pens are black, it was just something I thought was odd and wanted others opinions on it....is that so wrong? Garrett Re: Blue pen ink on forms Are you just wanting to argue or is there a good reason for this question. If your company requires black ink, you use black, if they want red ink, you use red. If they say you can only miss 5 days work in a year, don't miss 6 and then come on the email list and argue that point. Now is there a really GOOD reason you want to know or is it because you caught flack? I think you get my point. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Pretty silly to me! Legally it makes no difference whatsoever. GG > > I got some flack for filling out a pt. care report the other day with a blue > pen. The hospital I worked at required the docs to use blue ink on the > T-sheets. The reasoning is that the forms are printed in black ink on white paper > and black pen ink could be missed (especially all those damn check boxes) > where as blue is easily seen and photocopies just as well, plus it is easy to > tell which is the original. > > back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink > and require black ink only? > > What do you think? > > Garrett > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 This is not neccessarily true Joe because the company I worked for required blue ink only. I believe it was requested by the billing company becasue it made finding the original faster and something about attorneys arguing in court whether a form was a copy or original. I have no idea why that would matter in any case, but oh well. I seriously doubt there is any state law barring blue ink on legal documants. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Re: Blue pen ink on forms The service I worked for when I resided in Texas required that blue ink not be used... It was never really explained, the management just tried to state that we weren't supposed to use blue ink due to medicare guidelines, or something like that. Never heard it anywhere else though. Joe Percer, LP > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2007 8:21:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > emsfire@... <emsfire%40redsanders.com> writes: > > back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink > > and require black ink only? > > We had the exact opposite policy. We reasoned that blue ink was blue and > when a chart was copied on a copy machine everything dark was black so you > knew > you were reading an original (assuming you were reading the white copy). > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant > > LNMolino@... <LNMolino%40aol.com> > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > by the > original author. > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Sorry. Forensics can easily distinguish between a copy and an original no matter what color ink you use. This is an EMS Myth that has existed for a long time. I don't know how it came about. Lawyers don't have any sort of problem with what color you use. There is no law or regulation about what color ink to use. Now, if a company or a service wants to impose a rule through the policy and procedures process, so be it. That's a different thing entirely. But any capable forensics person can immediately tell whether or not a document is an original or a copy. GG > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2007 8:21:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > emsfire@... writes: > > back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink > and require black ink only? > > We had the exact opposite policy. We reasoned that blue ink was blue and > when a chart was copied on a copy machine everything dark was black so you > knew > you were reading an original (assuming you were reading the white copy). > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/ > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consultant/Traine > > LNMolino@... > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only > for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by > the > original author. > > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>*********http://www.aol.htt > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Your " officer " is an idiot. There is nothing in the law that requires black ink, blue ink, purple ink, red ink, or orange ink, or any other color of ink. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > I brought it here because one of the officers said " you can't use blue ink, > it's a legal document!!! " Where does it say, and where would it actually say > that blue ink is not legal. and im not meaning the billing company, but some > law where blue ink isnt legal. ive heard of people signing legal papers in > red ink and them " not being legal " i dont really see how the color of the ink > would make something legal, rather what the ink says. > > Obviously I'm going to use a black pen from now on, as it's not a big deal > and most pens are black, it was just something I thought was odd and wanted > others opinions on it....is that so wrong? > > Garrett > > Re: Blue pen ink on forms > > Are you just wanting to argue or is there a good reason for this question. > If your company requires black ink, you use black, if they want red ink, you > use red. > > If they say you can only miss 5 days work in a year, don't miss 6 and then > come on the email list and argue that point. Now is there a really GOOD > reason you want to know or is it because you caught flack? > > I think you get my point. > > Andy > > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>*********http://www.aol.htt > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Who told you that? Cite me the law! There IS no such law. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > I was taught that a run report is a legal document, > all legal documents require black ink . > Rick Scholwinski Emt-P,Ems-I > --- ph Percer wrote: > > > The service I worked for when I resided in Texas > > required that blue ink not > > be used... It was never really explained, the > > management just tried to state > > that we weren't supposed to use blue ink due to > > medicare guidelines, or > > something like that. Never heard it anywhere else > > though. > > > > Joe Percer, LP > > > > On 9/23/07, lnmolino@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2007 8:21:47 P.M. Central > > Daylight Time, > > > emsfire@... <emsfire%40redsandeemsfir> > > writes: > > > > > > back to the original question, do any of your > > services not accept blue ink > > > > > > and require black ink only? > > > > > > We had the exact opposite policy. We reasoned that > > blue ink was blue and > > > when a chart was copied on a copy machine > > everything dark was black so you > > > knew > > > you were reading an original (assuming you were > > reading the white copy). > > > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/ > > > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services > > Consulting Services (LNMECS) > > > Freelance > > Consultant/Trainer/ Consultant/Trai Consultant/Train > > Consultant > > > > > > LNMolino@... <LNMolino%40aol.LNM> > > > > > > (Cell Phone) > > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > > > > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the > > opinions of the author and > > > the > > > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for > > any person or > > > organization that I am in any way whatsoever > > involved or associated with > > > unless I > > > specifically state that I am doing so. Further > > this E-mail is intended > > > only for its > > > stated recipient and may contain private and or > > confidential materials > > > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless > > placed in the public domain > > > by the > > > original author. > > > > > > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>* > > new at > > > http://www.aol.htt > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Boy, I must have been having a real bad day.? Read my reply and thought someone else must be using my name.? Sorry. My mortgage had to be signed in blue ink so that they would know which was the original.? Copy machines are so good now, they look like a real signature. My people always had to use black ink because that was the requirement.? Don't know why, now that I think of it.? We now are paperless and it don't matter. Again, my apologies. Andy Foote Re: Blue pen ink on forms Pretty silly to me! Legally it makes no difference whatsoever. GG > > I got some flack for filling out a pt. care report the other day with a blue > pen. The hospital I worked at required the docs to use blue ink on the > T-sheets. The reasoning is that the forms are printed in black ink on white paper > and black pen ink could be missed (especially all those damn check boxes) > where as blue is easily seen and photocopies just as well, plus it is easy to > tell which is the original. > > back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink > and require black ink only? > > What do you think? > > Garrett > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 In a message dated 9/24/2007 1:54:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rtoddlaw@... writes: I encourage all providers to use colored ink. I think it's helpful to have a system so that different providers use different colors. I still encourage everyone to do the same. Don't those RN types use those multi colored pens anymore? In my working in the hospital days we had to based on shift etc. I worked in 2 different places part time at the same time and while both required colored ink but they had totally different systems as I kept screwing up on the overnights with the wrong color at the wrong place. . Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 You know, I have had two situations at the courthouse within the last year where I brought legal documents with signatures (one from the notary and one from a lawyer) that were in blank ink and the courthouse refused to accept them saying that with modern copy machines, they can no longer tell a copy from an original unless the signature is in any other color but black. Jane Hill To: texasems-l@...: rachfoote@...: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:04:03 -0400Subject: Re: Blue pen ink on forms Boy, I must have been having a real bad day.? Read my reply and thought someone else must be using my name.? Sorry.My mortgage had to be signed in blue ink so that they would know which was the original.? Copy machines are so good now, they look like a real signature.My people always had to use black ink because that was the requirement.? Don't know why, now that I think of it.? We now are paperless and it don't matter. Again, my apologies.Andy Foote-----Original Message-----From: wegandy1938@...: texasems-l@...: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 2:05 amSubject: Re: Blue pen ink on formsPretty silly to me! Legally it makes no difference whatsoever.GGIn a message dated 9/23/07 6:22:25 PM, emsfire@... writes:> > I got some flack for filling out a pt. care report the other day with a blue > pen. The hospital I worked at required the docs to use blue ink on the > T-sheets. The reasoning is that the forms are printed in black ink on white paper > and black pen ink could be missed (especially all those damn check boxes) > where as blue is easily seen and photocopies just as well, plus it is easy to > tell which is the original.> > back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink > and require black ink only?> > What do you think?> > Garrett> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > **************************************See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Amen, Gene! I spent seven years as a field medic/ops supervisor. From the first day of my EMT-B class through the last day of my street career, I heard the whole " the-law- requires-black-ink " load of BS almost all of the time. Following law school (where blue pens were allowed) I practiced law for 13 years. A portion of my years in practice were spent working on the defense side of med mal. Unfortunately, we ran accross " altered medical records " on numerous occasions. Talk about making a " bad case worse, " or making a " good case go bad. " As copiers improved, it became increasingly difficult to distinguish copies from originals. This opened the door for numerous deposition questions and brow-beatings regarding the " authenticity " of records, and attempts to solicit inconsistent answers. We began advising our clients (doctors, hospitals, nurses) to use colored ink. As records were reviewed, and copies were made, it was quite easy to distinguish copies from originals. Interestingly, the accusations and harassment regarding " authenticity " ceased. I encourage all providers to use colored ink. I think it's helpful to have a system so that different providers use different colors. I still encourage everyone to do the same. Just my two cents worth. Todd, B.S., J.D., EMT-P --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Who told you that? Cite me the law! There IS no > such law. > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP > In a message dated 9/23/07 8:12:00 PM, > paramedic.2418@... writes: > > > > > > I was taught that a run report is a legal > document, > > all legal documents require black ink . > > Rick Scholwinski Emt-P,Ems-I > > --- ph Percer wrote: > > > > > The service I worked for when I resided in Texas > > > required that blue ink not > > > be used... It was never really explained, the > > > management just tried to state > > > that we weren't supposed to use blue ink due to > > > medicare guidelines, or > > > something like that. Never heard it anywhere > else > > > though. > > > > > > Joe Percer, LP > > > > > > On 9/23/07, lnmolino@... > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2007 8:21:47 P.M. > Central > > > Daylight Time, > > > > emsfire@... > <emsfire%40redsandeemsfir> > > > writes: > > > > > > > > back to the original question, do any of your > > > services not accept blue ink > > > > > > > > and require black ink only? > > > > > > > > We had the exact opposite policy. We reasoned > that > > > blue ink was blue and > > > > when a chart was copied on a copy machine > > > everything dark was black so you > > > > knew > > > > you were reading an original (assuming you > were > > > reading the white copy). > > > > > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > > > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/ > > > > Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services > > > Consulting Services (LNMECS) > > > > Freelance > > > Consultant/Trainer/ Consultant/Trai > Consultant/Train > > > Consultant > > > > > > > > LNMolino@... <LNMolino%40aol.LNM> > > > > > > > > (Cell Phone) > > > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > > > > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > > > > > > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the > > > opinions of the author and > > > > the > > > > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak > for > > > any person or > > > > organization that I am in any way whatsoever > > > involved or associated with > > > > unless I > > > > specifically state that I am doing so. Further > > > this E-mail is intended > > > > only for its > > > > stated recipient and may contain private and > or > > > confidential materials > > > > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless > > > placed in the public domain > > > > by the > > > > original author. > > > > > > > > ************ ******** ******** > ************<wbr>* > > > new at > > > > http://www.aol.htt > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 No those RN types don't use the tri color pens anymore. We can chart in either blue or black, but in my department (ED) the physicians use blue ink so the nurses use black. I haven't seen the ink color/per shift system in many many years. In fact of 4 facilities that I have worked in the last 13 years none of them used it. Rick , RN,LP CSMC ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of lnmolino@... Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:29 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Blue pen ink on forms In a message dated 9/24/2007 1:54:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rtoddlaw@... <mailto:rtoddlaw%40yahoo.com> writes: I encourage all providers to use colored ink. I think it's helpful to have a system so that different providers use different colors. I still encourage everyone to do the same. Don't those RN types use those multi colored pens anymore? In my working in the hospital days we had to based on shift etc. I worked in 2 different places part time at the same time and while both required colored ink but they had totally different systems as I kept screwing up on the overnights with the wrong color at the wrong place. . Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com> (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 This whole conversation about ink color has given me an idea. If anyone can find which color is legally " OK, " please let me know. I'd like to start signing my checks in another color so that I can't be held liable for them. (Shades of the Jeff Foxworthy joke - " You'll take a check? I didn't know I didn't have to pay... " ) -Wes Ogilvie (virtually signed in crayon) Re: Blue pen ink on formsPretty silly to e! Legally it makes no difference whatsoever.GGIn a message dated 9/23/07 :22:25 PM, emsfire@... writes:> > I got some flack for filling out a t. care report the other day with a blue > pen. The hospital I worked at equired the docs to use blue ink on the > T-sheets. The reasoning is that the orms are printed in black ink on white paper > and black pen ink could be issed (especially all those damn check boxes) > where as blue is easily seen nd photocopies just as well, plus it is easy to > tell which is the original.> back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink > nd require black ink only?> > What do you think?> > Garrett> > [Non-text ortions of this message have been removed]> > > **************************************See hat's new at http://www.aol.com[Non-text portions of this message have been emoved]Yahoo! Groups Links__________________________________________________________Email nd AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - ttp://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 What color is your electronic form in? Careful, it may be illegal! LOL. GG > > > Boy, I must have been having a real bad day.? Read my reply and thought > someone else must be using my name.? Sorry. > > My mortgage had to be signed in blue ink so that they would know which was > the original.? Copy machines are so good now, they look like a real signature. > > My people always had to use black ink because that was the requirement. My > people always had to use black ink because that was the requirement.<wbr>? > Don't > > Again, my apologies. > > Andy Foote > > Re: Blue pen ink on forms > > Pretty silly to me! Legally it makes no difference whatsoever. > > GG > > > > > > I got some flack for filling out a pt. care report the other day with a > blue > > pen. The hospital I worked at required the docs to use blue ink on the > > T-sheets. The reasoning is that the forms are printed in black ink on > white > paper > > and black pen ink could be missed (especially all those damn check boxes) > > where as blue is easily seen and photocopies just as well, plus it is easy > to > > tell which is the original. > > > > back to the original question, do any of your services not accept blue ink > > and require black ink only? > > > > What do you think? > > > > Garrett > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Jane, if they were in " blank ink " I don't blame them for refusing them. How could they count the pages and know what to charge? GG > > You know, I have had two situations at the courthouse within the last year > where I brought legal documents with signatures (one from the notary and one > from a lawyer) that were in blank ink and the courthouse refused to accept > them saying that with modern copy machines, they can no longer tell a copy from > an original unless the signature is in any other color but black. > > Jane Hill > > > To: texasems-l@...: rachfoote@...: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 > 11:04:03 -0400Subject: Re: Blue pen ink on forms > > > > > Boy, I must have been having a real bad day.? Read my reply and thought > someone else must be using my name.? Sorry.My mortgage had to be signed in blue > ink so that they would know which was the original.? Copy machines are so good > now, they look like a real signature.My people always had to use black ink > because that was the requirement.? Don't know why, now that I think of it.? We > now are paperless and it don't matter. Again, my apologies.Andy > Foote Re: Blue pen ink on > formsPretty silly to me! Legally it makes no difference whatsoever.GGIn a message > dated 9/23/07 6:22:25 PM, emsfire@... writes:> > I got some flack for > filling out a pt. care report the other day with a blue > pen. The hospital > I worked at required the docs to use blue ink on the > T-sheets. The > reasoning is that the forms are printed in black ink on white paper > and black pen > ink could be missed (especially all those damn check boxes) > where as blue is > easily seen and photocopies just as well, plus it is easy to > tell which is > the original.> > back to the original question, do any of your services not > accept blue ink > and require black ink only?> > What do you think?> > > Garrett> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:58:53 AM Central Daylight Time, texas.paramedic@... writes: You know, I have had two situations at the courthouse within the last year where I brought legal documents with signatures (one from the notary and one from a lawyer) that were in blank ink and the courthouse refused to accept them saying that with modern copy machines, they can no longer tell a copy from an original unless the signature is in any other color but black. Jane Hill I bet they did have a problem with BLANK ink. Where can I get some. andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Gene, We use the blank ink electronically. We bought from some lady in Texas named Jane Hill. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Sure cuts down on storage space. G > > Gene, > > We use the blank ink electronically. We bought from some lady in Texas > named Jane Hill. > > Andy > > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>*********http://www.aol.htt > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Damn! Grrrrrrr! What a response for that one. A.Dempsey EMT-I/FF kdempseyjr@... --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Garrett, Good point.... The old reason for not using blue ink on run forms was due to the fact that older copier machines would not pick up on the blue ink and of course the copy would be useless. The second reason came when billing companies started using scanning machines that would use prehistoric handwriting recognition software and blue ink would not register with the scanners. There are a few other reasons. As for not using blue ink today? Other than most companies find that using black ink the norm, there is no reason to use only black ink.... In my opinion, it is merely to have everything uniform. Nothing more than that. So that is that. A.Dempsey EMT-I/FF kdempseyjr@... --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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