Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Wes Its not always the coordinators fault. Its tough to count on all the people you need to do such an exam. If you work for an EMS service already, see how many of your co-workers are willling to give up a days work and help with skill exam. I try to time mine here to when my students finish but that not always possible. Having closed exams for ones own program is sometimes the only way to guarantee your students get done. NR wants the coordinator to double the stations after a certain amount of students are signed up. I know driving to another location can be a hassle but that might be the only choice. Now th at being said I believe every coordinator should tackle the job of putting on a skills site.. Eddie B. NREMT-LP Kilgore College ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 A while back, I posted to this listserver about the lack of practical examination sites for the advanced level NREMT exams. If I remember correctly, many people shared similar concerns and assurances were made. I am less than two weeks from completing my paramedic course on September 25th?and (hopefully) being eligible to test for NREMT-Paramedic. I live in Austin, the state capitol, and within a thirty minute drive of two advanced level college programs (ACC and Temple College), both of whom regularly conduct CLOSED exams.? That is, of course, their perogative. Yet, I am unable to find a single open?exam site within an hour's drive of Austin on the NREMT website. Just as frustrating, the soonest that I could possibly schedule a practical exam is almost?a month past the date I complete my course. I'm very fortunate that I have another career (law) outside of EMS and as such, gaining my paramedic licensure doesn't mean that I'm getting a promotion at work - or whether I keep my job. Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams? I would respectfully suggest that, although it is burdensome to schedule and conduct a NREMT-P practical exam, when NREMT grants you the privilege of being an NREMT advanced coordinator, there is somewhat of an obligation to the EMS community at large, not just to your own educational program. Nothing would make me happier than to receive five or six emails telling me that the problem has been resolved and pointing me towards an exam site.? However, in reality, I'm thinking that, after having spent several thousand dollars on a paramedic class, I'm getting ready to spend several hundred more dollars for a test site (no complaints there), driving to another city, and a hotel for at least one night.? And we wonder why people get frustrated at the certification process? Believe it or not, the Board of Law Examiners actually manages to conduct a three day exam twice a year for less money than the NREMT advanced exam process.? And there's no doubt where the bar exams will be held -- Austin, Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, Waco, Lubbock, and San -- that is, where each law school in Texas is located.? If a bunch of lawyers can figure this out, why can't we in EMS? Respectfully, Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 >>Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams?<< I schedule all my students' practical exams myself. That said, it is more problematic with advanced students because they often finish clinicals at different times. Louisiana does upwards of 20 practical exams per year, Wes - usually at least a couple each month. Come on over here and take one. That said, you have to have your exam application in to BEMS by the 5th of the month prior to your test date. So if you get your app in by Oct. 5, you can probably have tested by the time the Texas conference rolls around. You know you can schedule your written exam at your leisure, right? -- Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc. MEDIC Training Solutions http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Thanks for the information on how Louisiana does it.?? If God forbid, Louisiana has a semi-organized system for doing it, that should serve as a challenge to all of us in Texas.? <GRIN> While I appreciate the offer to visit the land of crawfish and gumbo, that's an even further drive than sites in Houston and Dallas.? And , you KNOW I'm cheap. But yes, I intend to schedule my own written exam at my leisure. Thanks! -Wes Re: NREMT Practical Exams >>Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams?<< I schedule all my students' practical exams myself. That said, it is more problematic with advanced students because they often finish clinicals at different times. Louisiana does upwards of 20 practical exams per year, Wes - usually at least a couple each month. Come on over here and take one. That said, you have to have your exam application in to BEMS by the 5th of the month prior to your test date. So if you get your app in by Oct. 5, you can probably have tested by the time the Texas conference rolls around. You know you can schedule your written exam at your leisure, right? -- Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc. MEDIC Training Solutions http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 You are always welcome to come on up to Iowa....I'll evaluate ya...<G> Jules Re: NREMT Practical Exams >>Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams?<< I schedule all my students' practical exams myself. That said, it is more problematic with advanced students because they often finish clinicals at different times. Louisiana does upwards of 20 practical exams per year, Wes - usually at least a couple each month. Come on over here and take one. That said, you have to have your exam application in to BEMS by the 5th of the month prior to your test date. So if you get your app in by Oct. 5, you can probably have tested by the time the Texas conference rolls around. You know you can schedule your written exam at your leisure, right? -- Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc. MEDIC Training Solutions http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/ __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 While I'm sure Iowa is probably known for many exciting tourist attractions, for some reason, I can't help but think I'd have plenty of time to study.... <G> -Wes Re: NREMT Practical Exams >>Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams?<< I schedule all my students' practical exams myself. That said, it is more problematic with advanced students because they often finish clinicals at different times. Louisiana does upwards of 20 practical exams per year, Wes - usually at least a couple each month. Come on over here and take one. That said, you have to have your exam application in to BEMS by the 5th of the month prior to your test date. So if you get your app in by Oct. 5, you can probably have tested by the time the Texas conference rolls around. You know you can schedule your written exam at your leisure, right? -- Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc. MEDIC Training Solutions http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/ __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 HEY>...we have the world's Largest Popcorn Ball...a Balloon Museum and just to our north a bit is the Bellybutton Lint Museum....so...BITE ME!! <G> Jules Re: NREMT Practical Exams >>Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams?<< I schedule all my students' practical exams myself. That said, it is more problematic with advanced students because they often finish clinicals at different times. Louisiana does upwards of 20 practical exams per year, Wes - usually at least a couple each month. Come on over here and take one. That said, you have to have your exam application in to BEMS by the 5th of the month prior to your test date. So if you get your app in by Oct. 5, you can probably have tested by the time the Texas conference rolls around. You know you can schedule your written exam at your leisure, right? -- Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc. MEDIC Training Solutions http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/ __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Next thing, you'll tell me there's a Stuckey's!?? <G> -Wes Re: NREMT Practical Exams >>Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams?<< I schedule all my students' practical exams myself. That said, it is more problematic with advanced students because they often finish clinicals at different times. Louisiana does upwards of 20 practical exams per year, Wes - usually at least a couple each month. Come on over here and take one. That said, you have to have your exam application in to BEMS by the 5th of the month prior to your test date. So if you get your app in by Oct. 5, you can probably have tested by the time the Texas conference rolls around. You know you can schedule your written exam at your leisure, right? -- Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc. MEDIC Training Solutions http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/ __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I completely agree with Mike. There is no reason why a DSHS apprved school should not do its own skills verification exams and the NR should not even be involved in skills evaluations. Texas needs to get the NR by the hair and tell THEM how things are going to be, not the other way around. I understand that Texas does not even have a written agreement with NREMT. Somebody, Maxie, correct me if I am wrong. If a program coordinator cannot be trusted to adequately, ethically, and honestly certify as to the skills capabilities of the students, then that person should not be a coordinator and the program should not be approved. Who does the Nursey's practical exams? Is there a " skills exam " that nurses have to pay for and take in order to get their licenses. Of course not. What Texas is doing with skills exams is absurd and ought to stop. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > The NR should grant all Advanced EMS Coordinators the option of putting on > their own skills exams. I still have never heard a reason why(from GETAC, NR > or DSHS), that we as coordinators could not examine our own students as we did > for about 30 or so years before the NR plopped up - other than to line the > pockets of the NR. If coordinators are trusted to put on the course we should > be trusted to test our students. The NR reps cost a lot of money, which we > pass along to the student. On top of that we have to pay for skills examiners. > > I feel schools SHOULD offer an NR exam, and DSHS should require it and pay > for it, if we are required to deal with the NR. > > As I remember in the NR rollouts, DSHS appointed 36 NR reps, and was suppose > to rotate rep responsibility among coordinators every 2 years or so. Some > folks have made an industry out of NR testing. It seems most of the same 36 are > still in business after 5 years or so. Some appointed reps do no testing - > this is a problem. Neither NR or DSHS seem to be tracking rep inactivity. > > There's your problem.... > > -MH > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On Behalf Of > ExLngHrn@... [ExLngHrn@...] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:10 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Cc: maxie.bishop@... > Subject: NREMT Practical Exams > > A while back, I posted to this listserver about the lack of practical > examination sites for the advanced level NREMT exams. If I remember correctly, many > people shared similar concerns and assurances were made. > > I am less than two weeks from completing my paramedic course on September > 25th?and (hopefully) being eligible to test for NREMT-Paramedic. I live in > Austin, the state capitol, and within a thirty minute drive of two advanced level > college programs (ACC and Temple College), both of whom regularly conduct > CLOSED exams.? That is, of course, their perogative. > > Yet, I am unable to find a single open?exam site within an hour's drive of > Austin on the NREMT website. Just as frustrating, the soonest that I could > possibly schedule a practical exam is almost?a month past the date I complete my > course. I'm very fortunate that I have another career (law) outside of EMS > and as such, gaining my paramedic licensure doesn't mean that I'm getting a > promotion at work - or whether I keep my job. > > Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for > failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - n > amely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams? > > I would respectfully suggest that, although it is burdensome to schedule and > conduct a NREMT-P practical exam, when NREMT grants you the privilege of > being an NREMT advanced coordinator, there is somewhat of an obligation to the > EMS community at large, not just to your own educational program. > > Nothing would make me happier than to receive five or six emails telling me > that the problem has been resolved and pointing me towards an exam site.? > However, in reality, I'm thinking that, after having spent several thousand > dollars on a paramedic class, I'm getting ready to spend several hundred more > dollars for a test site (no complaints there), driving to another city, and a > hotel for at least one night.? And we wonder why people get frustrated at the > certification process? > > Believe it or not, the Board of Law Examiners actually manages to conduct a > three day exam twice a year for less money than the NREMT advanced exam > process.? And there's no doubt where the bar exams will be held -- Austin, > Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, Waco, Lubbock, and San -- that is, where each > law school in Texas is located.? If a bunch of lawyers can figure this out, why > can't we in EMS? > > Respectfully, > Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B > Austin, Texas > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.http:// > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 The NR should grant all Advanced EMS Coordinators the option of putting on their own skills exams. I still have never heard a reason why(from GETAC, NR or DSHS), that we as coordinators could not examine our own students as we did for about 30 or so years before the NR plopped up - other than to line the pockets of the NR. If coordinators are trusted to put on the course we should be trusted to test our students. The NR reps cost a lot of money, which we pass along to the student. On top of that we have to pay for skills examiners. I feel schools SHOULD offer an NR exam, and DSHS should require it and pay for it, if we are required to deal with the NR. As I remember in the NR rollouts, DSHS appointed 36 NR reps, and was suppose to rotate rep responsibility among coordinators every 2 years or so. Some folks have made an industry out of NR testing. It seems most of the same 36 are still in business after 5 years or so. Some appointed reps do no testing - this is a problem. Neither NR or DSHS seem to be tracking rep inactivity. There's your problem.... -MH ________________________________ From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of ExLngHrn@... [ExLngHrn@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:10 PM To: texasems-l Cc: maxie.bishop@... Subject: NREMT Practical Exams A while back, I posted to this listserver about the lack of practical examination sites for the advanced level NREMT exams. If I remember correctly, many people shared similar concerns and assurances were made. I am less than two weeks from completing my paramedic course on September 25th?and (hopefully) being eligible to test for NREMT-Paramedic. I live in Austin, the state capitol, and within a thirty minute drive of two advanced level college programs (ACC and Temple College), both of whom regularly conduct CLOSED exams.? That is, of course, their perogative. Yet, I am unable to find a single open?exam site within an hour's drive of Austin on the NREMT website. Just as frustrating, the soonest that I could possibly schedule a practical exam is almost?a month past the date I complete my course. I'm very fortunate that I have another career (law) outside of EMS and as such, gaining my paramedic licensure doesn't mean that I'm getting a promotion at work - or whether I keep my job. Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams? I would respectfully suggest that, although it is burdensome to schedule and conduct a NREMT-P practical exam, when NREMT grants you the privilege of being an NREMT advanced coordinator, there is somewhat of an obligation to the EMS community at large, not just to your own educational program. Nothing would make me happier than to receive five or six emails telling me that the problem has been resolved and pointing me towards an exam site.? However, in reality, I'm thinking that, after having spent several thousand dollars on a paramedic class, I'm getting ready to spend several hundred more dollars for a test site (no complaints there), driving to another city, and a hotel for at least one night.? And we wonder why people get frustrated at the certification process? Believe it or not, the Board of Law Examiners actually manages to conduct a three day exam twice a year for less money than the NREMT advanced exam process.? And there's no doubt where the bar exams will be held -- Austin, Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, Waco, Lubbock, and San -- that is, where each law school in Texas is located.? If a bunch of lawyers can figure this out, why can't we in EMS? Respectfully, Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 As I've seen the problem around here, several of the reps only do closed exams for certain " annointed " programs. -Wes Ogilvie NREMT Practical Exams A while back, I posted to this listserver about the lack of practical examination sites for the advanced level NREMT exams. If I remember correctly, many people shared similar concerns and assurances were made. I am less than two weeks from completing my paramedic course on September 25th?and (hopefully) being eligible to test for NREMT-Paramedic. I live in Austin, the state capitol, and within a thirty minute drive of two advanced level college programs (ACC and Temple College), both of whom regularly conduct CLOSED exams.? That is, of course, their perogative. Yet, I am unable to find a single open?exam site within an hour's drive of Austin on the NREMT website. Just as frustrating, the soonest that I could possibly schedule a practical exam is almost?a month past the date I complete my course. I'm very fortunate that I have another career (law) outside of EMS and as such, gaining my paramedic licensure doesn't mean that I'm getting a promotion at work - or whether I keep my job. Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams? I would respectfully suggest that, although it is burdensome to schedule and conduct a NREMT-P practical exam, when NREMT grants you the privilege of being an NREMT advanced coordinator, there is somewhat of an obligation to the EMS community at large, not just to your own educational program. Nothing would make me happier than to receive five or six emails telling me that the problem has been resolved and pointing me towards an exam site.? However, in reality, I'm thinking that, after having spent several thousand dollars on a paramedic class, I'm getting ready to spend several hundred more dollars for a test site (no complaints there), driving to another city, and a hotel for at least one night.? And we wonder why people get frustrated at the certification process? Believe it or not, the Board of Law Examiners actually manages to conduct a three day exam twice a year for less money than the NREMT advanced exam process.? And there's no doubt where the bar exams will be held -- Austin, Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, Waco, Lubbock, and San -- that is, where each law school in Texas is located.? If a bunch of lawyers can figure this out, why can't we in EMS? Respectfully, Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 The road to Anniston is strewn with Stuckeys ExLngHrn@... wrote: Next thing, you'll tell me there's a Stuckey's!?? <G> -Wes Re: NREMT Practical Exams >>Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams?<< I schedule all my students' practical exams myself. That said, it is more problematic with advanced students because they often finish clinicals at different times. Louisiana does upwards of 20 practical exams per year, Wes - usually at least a couple each month. Come on over here and take one. That said, you have to have your exam application in to BEMS by the 5th of the month prior to your test date. So if you get your app in by Oct. 5, you can probably have tested by the time the Texas conference rolls around. You know you can schedule your written exam at your leisure, right? -- Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc. MEDIC Training Solutions http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/ __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 But Wes....what about the poor legal wanna-be's who volunteer their time in the rural and frontier areas....how do they get to take the bar exam if they have to drive all the way into the big city...oh wait....never mind. Apples and oranges my friend...and like I told you last time, if my agency taught advanced courses, we would market the fact that we do testing the last day of class, include it in the cost, and use that to attract students from far and wide...I still believe it is the responsibility of the course coordinator to make this happen for you...not each student...and not the personnel from other programs.? Did you have to go find what ever text book you thought would be best for the course?? Did you have to find your own clinical sights on your own?? No...books are usually provided or you are at least told where to get them...clinical sights have to be contracted with the program.? So...again, why can we not change the rules and REQUIRE coordinators to provide testing sights for their students at the end of class... Don't blame those who have gotten this capability for their own program's gain...try and figure out why we have programs out there that do not do it. Dudley NREMT Practical Exams A while back, I posted to this listserver about the lack of practical examination sites for the advanced level NREMT exams. If I remember correctly, many people shared similar concerns and assurances were made. I am less than two weeks from completing my paramedic course on September 25th?and (hopefully) being eligible to test for NREMT-Paramedic. I live in Austin, the state capitol, and within a thirty minute drive of two advanced level college programs (ACC and Temple College), both of whom regularly conduct CLOSED exams.? That is, of course, their perogative. Yet, I am unable to find a single open?exam site within an hour's drive of Austin on the NREMT website. Just as frustrating, the soonest that I could possibly schedule a practical exam is almost?a month past the date I complete my course. I'm very fortunate that I have another career (law) outside of EMS and as such, gaining my paramedic licensure doesn't mean that I'm getting a promotion at work - or whether I keep my job. Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - namely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams? I would respectfully suggest that, although it is burdensome to schedule and conduct a NREMT-P practical exam, when NREMT grants you the privilege of being an NREMT advanced coordinator, there is somewhat of an obligation to the EMS community at large, not just to your own educational program. Nothing would make me happier than to receive five or six emails telling me that the problem has been resolved and pointing me towards an exam site.? However, in reality, I'm thinking that, after having spent several thousand dollars on a paramedic class, I'm getting ready to spend several hundred more dollars for a test site (no complaints there), driving to another city, and a hotel for at least one night.? And we wonder why people get frustrated at the certification process? Believe it or not, the Board of Law Examiners actually manages to conduct a three day exam twice a year for less money than the NREMT advanced exam process.? And there's no doubt where the bar exams will be held -- Austin, Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, Waco, Lubbock, and San -- that is, where each law school in Texas is located.? If a bunch of lawyers can figure this out, why can't we in EMS? Respectfully, Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 wegandy1938@... wrote:Who does the Nursey's practical exams? Is there a " skills exam " that nurses have to pay for and take in order to get their licenses. Of course not. Nursing students are at the mercy... or wrath... of their clinical instructor. If you don't cut the mustard in clinical, you fail. No ifs, ands or buts. You may academically 4.0, but you still fail if you can't do the skills. These aren't contrived scenarios that are parroted; they are generally an evaluation of the skills on live patients with the nurse-teacher there evaluating and the student doing. The clinical instructor is ethically bound both as a nurse and as an educator, to assure the proficiency of the student. " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Some of their skills are signed off by fellow students. It's called peer sign off. ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:24 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: NREMT Practical Exams wegandy1938@... <mailto:wegandy1938%40aol.com> wrote:Who does the Nursey's practical exams? Is there a " skills exam " that nurses have to pay for and take in order to get their licenses. Of course not. Nursing students are at the mercy... or wrath... of their clinical instructor. If you don't cut the mustard in clinical, you fail. No ifs, ands or buts. You may academically 4.0, but you still fail if you can't do the skills. These aren't contrived scenarios that are parroted; they are generally an evaluation of the skills on live patients with the nurse-teacher there evaluating and the student doing. The clinical instructor is ethically bound both as a nurse and as an educator, to assure the proficiency of the student. " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Accountability... There are some fly-by night education programs that do not do education justice. Just sign off anyone without demonstrating competency. I would bet if DSHS required education programs to be nationally accredited by COAEMSP, NREMT would let us test our own. Setting benchmark criteria for your education program and having accountablility for your program. Just stirring the pot, it feels like one of those days... Dan > > > > wegandy1938@... <mailto:wegandy1938%40aol.com> wrote:Who does the > Nursey's practical exams? Is there a " skills exam " that nurses have to > pay for and take in order to get their licenses. Of course not. > > Nursing students are at the mercy... or wrath... of their clinical > instructor. If you don't cut the mustard in clinical, you fail. No ifs, > ands or buts. You may academically 4.0, but you still fail if you can't > do the skills. These aren't contrived scenarios that are parroted; they > are generally an evaluation of the skills on live patients with the > nurse-teacher there evaluating and the student doing. > > The clinical instructor is ethically bound both as a nurse and as an > educator, to assure the proficiency of the student. > > " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; > the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs > 22:3 > > --------------------------------- > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get > listings, and more! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 IMHO, that is WRONG!!!!! " , " wrote: Some of their skills are signed off by fellow students. It's called peer sign off. ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:24 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: NREMT Practical Exams wegandy1938@... <mailto:wegandy1938%40aol.com> wrote:Who does the Nursey's practical exams? Is there a " skills exam " that nurses have to pay for and take in order to get their licenses. Of course not. Nursing students are at the mercy... or wrath... of their clinical instructor. If you don't cut the mustard in clinical, you fail. No ifs, ands or buts. You may academically 4.0, but you still fail if you can't do the skills. These aren't contrived scenarios that are parroted; they are generally an evaluation of the skills on live patients with the nurse-teacher there evaluating and the student doing. The clinical instructor is ethically bound both as a nurse and as an educator, to assure the proficiency of the student. " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 hA hA Ha Ha National Registry HO HO HO HO DSHS / National Registry He Heh He Heh Signed Henry Barber if you have any questions about where I stand regarding National Registry or DSHS selling us down the old river on this issue. NREMT Practical Exams > > A while back, I posted to this listserver about the lack of practical > examination sites for the advanced level NREMT exams. If I remember correctly, many > people shared similar concerns and assurances were made. > > I am less than two weeks from completing my paramedic course on September > 25th?and (hopefully) being eligible to test for NREMT-Paramedic. I live in > Austin, the state capitol, and within a thirty minute drive of two advanced level > college programs (ACC and Temple College), both of whom regularly conduct > CLOSED exams.? That is, of course, their perogative. > > Yet, I am unable to find a single open?exam site within an hour's drive of > Austin on the NREMT website. Just as frustrating, the soonest that I could > possibly schedule a practical exam is almost?a month past the date I complete my > course. I'm very fortunate that I have another career (law) outside of EMS > and as such, gaining my paramedic licensure doesn't mean that I'm getting a > promotion at work - or whether I keep my job. > > Here's my question.? Should I be upset with my course coordinator for > failing to arrange for a NREMT-P practical exam?? Or is there a bigger problem - n > amely, an apparent lack of OPEN NREMT-P practical exams? > > I would respectfully suggest that, although it is burdensome to schedule and > conduct a NREMT-P practical exam, when NREMT grants you the privilege of > being an NREMT advanced coordinator, there is somewhat of an obligation to the > EMS community at large, not just to your own educational program. > > Nothing would make me happier than to receive five or six emails telling me > that the problem has been resolved and pointing me towards an exam site.? > However, in reality, I'm thinking that, after having spent several thousand > dollars on a paramedic class, I'm getting ready to spend several hundred more > dollars for a test site (no complaints there), driving to another city, and a > hotel for at least one night.? And we wonder why people get frustrated at the > certification process? > > Believe it or not, the Board of Law Examiners actually manages to conduct a > three day exam twice a year for less money than the NREMT advanced exam > process.? And there's no doubt where the bar exams will be held -- Austin, > Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, Waco, Lubbock, and San -- that is, where each > law school in Texas is located.? If a bunch of lawyers can figure this out, why > can't we in EMS? > > Respectfully, > Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B > Austin, Texas > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.http:// > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 National accreditation means nothing other than the program can pencil whip the paperwork and spend the money to get the site visit. Texas DSHS's program is just as good if you follow the education and training manual. Some nationally accredited programs are terrible, some non-nationally accredited programs are great. A program that is affiliated with a college that's accredited does not need to be nationally accredited because the regional accreditation of colleges is virtually the same thing. In Texas the COBOARD's requiremts are virtually the same also. Another waste of money, it would be. GG > > Accountability.Ac > > There are some fly-by night education programs that do not do > education justice. Just sign off anyone without demonstrating > competency. I would bet if DSHS required education programs to be > nationally accredited by COAEMSP, NREMT would let us test our own. > Setting benchmark criteria for your education program and having > accountablility for your program. Just stirring the pot, it feels > like one of those days... > > Dan > > > > > > > > > wegandy1938@ weg<mailto:wegandy1938mailto:weg> wrote:Who does the > > Nursey's practical exams? Is there a " skills exam " that nurses have > to > > pay for and take in order to get their licenses. Of course not. > > > > Nursing students are at the mercy... or wrath... of their clinical > > instructor. If you don't cut the mustard in clinical, you fail. No > ifs, > > ands or buts. You may academically 4.0, but you still fail if you > can't > > do the skills. These aren't contrived scenarios that are parroted; > they > > are generally an evaluation of the skills on live patients with the > > nurse-teacher there evaluating and the student doing. > > > > The clinical instructor is ethically bound both as a nurse and as an > > educator, to assure the proficiency of the student. > > > > " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for > them; > > the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. t > Proverbs > > 22:3 > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get > > listings, and more! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hey stranger what's new? Beltran " , " wrote: Some of their skills are signed off by fellow students. It's called peer sign off. ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:24 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: NREMT Practical Exams wegandy1938@... <mailto:wegandy1938%40aol.com> wrote:Who does the Nursey's practical exams? Is there a " skills exam " that nurses have to pay for and take in order to get their licenses. Of course not. Nursing students are at the mercy... or wrath... of their clinical instructor. If you don't cut the mustard in clinical, you fail. No ifs, ands or buts. You may academically 4.0, but you still fail if you can't do the skills. These aren't contrived scenarios that are parroted; they are generally an evaluation of the skills on live patients with the nurse-teacher there evaluating and the student doing. The clinical instructor is ethically bound both as a nurse and as an educator, to assure the proficiency of the student. " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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