What does it cost to run a service?

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I was wondering how you make a budget for an EMS

service. Let me start by saying I am not looking to

start or run a service, I am just curious and I think

it would also open some peoples eyes as to how much it

really costs to run 1 truck 24 hrs. a day.

I realize that a lot of the costs are going to vary

widely based on the individual service but maybe the

managers on the list can give us an idea on true

costs.

I am going to make a list of things that I would think

you have to budget for, please add or subtract items

and adjust costs where needed.

Salary for emts and paramedics: based on where I

currently work as a paramedic makes $47,300 yr. to

start, emt is approx. $36,000 yr. and we work a 24/72

shift. So that’s $47,300 x 4 shifts = $189,200

$36,000 x 4 shifts = $144,000

That’s $330,000 per truck, per year.

Plus vacation/sick time

Station costs (Rent, maintenance, utilities,

computers, etc.).

Costs of the trucks themselves per year. (let’s say

you replace them every 3 yrs., how do you figure the

costs per year?).

Insurance for your personnel and for the units?

Licensing fees per year?

Budget for overtime to cover vacations and sick

personnel?

Then you have additional administration staff and

other costs.

Medical Director, $100,000 yr.

General Manager, $65,000 yr.

Clinical Director, $55,000 yr

Administrative assistant $35,000 yr.

2 Supervisors per shift, $55,000 x 8 = $440,000 yr.

Human Resources Rep. $40,000 yr.

Hiring costs

Billing costs

Supplies.

Continuing education.

Dispatch.

How do you make a budget for a service that has say 10

trucks, all on 24 hr. shifts, whether its 24/48 or

24/72? And include the administrative costs into the

cost of supporting those units.

Thanks Will

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A LOT!!!

Will wrote: I was wondering how you make a

budget for an EMS

service. Let me start by saying I am not looking to

start or run a service, I am just curious and I think

it would also open some peoples eyes as to how much it

really costs to run 1 truck 24 hrs. a day.

I realize that a lot of the costs are going to vary

widely based on the individual service but maybe the

managers on the list can give us an idea on true

costs.

I am going to make a list of things that I would think

you have to budget for, please add or subtract items

and adjust costs where needed.

Salary for emts and paramedics: based on where I

currently work as a paramedic makes $47,300 yr. to

start, emt is approx. $36,000 yr. and we work a 24/72

shift. So that’s $47,300 x 4 shifts = $189,200

$36,000 x 4 shifts = $144,000

That’s $330,000 per truck, per year.

Plus vacation/sick time

Station costs (Rent, maintenance, utilities,

computers, etc.).

Costs of the trucks themselves per year. (let’s say

you replace them every 3 yrs., how do you figure the

costs per year?).

Insurance for your personnel and for the units?

Licensing fees per year?

Budget for overtime to cover vacations and sick

personnel?

Then you have additional administration staff and

other costs.

Medical Director, $100,000 yr.

General Manager, $65,000 yr.

Clinical Director, $55,000 yr

Administrative assistant $35,000 yr.

2 Supervisors per shift, $55,000 x 8 = $440,000 yr.

Human Resources Rep. $40,000 yr.

Hiring costs

Billing costs

Supplies.

Continuing education.

Dispatch.

How do you make a budget for a service that has say 10

trucks, all on 24 hr. shifts, whether its 24/48 or

24/72? And include the administrative costs into the

cost of supporting those units.

Thanks Will

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Will,

You are missing quite a bit...

First, on salaries...you have no overtime figured in at all...you will need that

because all of your employees are getting OT at 8 hours per week plus, since you

have figured in no part-time labor, you will need to pay replacements at

overtime as well.Â

Next, on your wages, does everyone at your organization make the same amount of

money as everyone else? So, if you are there 10 years you still make $47K?Â

Probably not...so you have a variety of wages being paid...and if you are like a

lot of agencies, you probably have a cap...lets say that cap is $73K...now you

have a problem with your Manager and Clinical Director pay...

Also, do you get any benefits? Most reputable employer benefit packages run in

the range of 30 to 35% of the salary figure....so the cost of your one truck

staffed with all brand new employees just went up another $100K.Â

The rest of the costs add up as well...although personnel is the biggest line

item (60 to 70% of your costs)....looking down through your lists, don't forget

other things either...billing staff, printing, capital costs (heart monitors,

stretchers, etc), stations.

Our agency's cost (including bad debt and contractual allowances) per unit hour

is approximately $150...per transport approximately $700....

Dudley

What does it cost to run a service?

I was wondering how you make a budget for an EMS

service. Let me start by saying I am not looking to

start or run a service, I am just curious and I think

it would also open some peoples eyes as to how much it

really costs to run 1 truck 24 hrs. a day.

I realize that a lot of the costs are going to vary

widely based on the individual service but maybe the

managers on the list can give us an idea on true

costs.

I am going to make a list of things that I would think

you have to budget for, please add or subtract items

and adjust costs where needed.

Salary for emts and paramedics: based on where I

currently work as a paramedic makes $47,300 yr. to

start, emt is approx. $36,000 yr. and we work a 24/72

shift. So that’s $47,300 x 4 shifts = $189,200

$36,000 x 4 shifts = $144,000

That’s $330,000 per truck, per year.

Plus vacation/sick time

Station costs (Rent, maintenance, utilities,

computers, etc.).

Costs of the trucks themselves per year. (let’s say

you replace them every 3 yrs., how do you figure the

costs per year?).

Insurance for your personnel and for the units?

Licensing fees per year?

Budget for overtime to cover vacations and sick

personnel?

Then you have additional administration staff and

other costs.

Medical Director, $100,000 yr.

General Manager, $65,000 yr.

Clinical Director, $55,000 yr

Administrative assistant $35,000 yr.

2 Supervisors per shift, $55,000 x 8 = $440,000 yr.

Human Resources Rep. $40,000 yr.

Hiring costs

Billing costs

Supplies.

Continuing education.

Dispatch.

How do you make a budget for a service that has say 10

trucks, all on 24 hr. shifts, whether its 24/48 or

24/72? And include the administrative costs into the

cost of supporting those units.

Thanks Will

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Will,

You also need to determine what type of equipment you carry on each

truck. If you are in a busy 911 system and you have 20k LP12's, and

the 11k power lift Stryker's, your cost diferential will be

different than a private provider that carries less equipment and

maybe not as advanced as others. Also how often do you replace this

equipment? How much supplies to you use on the average shift? What

type of trucks do you run, Types I, II, III? All of these things

factor into working out a budget.

>

> Will,

>

> You are missing quite a bit...

>

> First, on salaries...you have no overtime figured in at all...you

will need that because all of your employees are getting OT at 8

hours per week plus, since you have figured in no part-time labor,

you will need to pay replacements at overtime as well.Â

>

> Next, on your wages, does everyone at your organization make the

same amount of money as everyone else? So, if you are there 10

years you still make $47K? Probably not...so you have a variety of

wages being paid...and if you are like a lot of agencies, you

probably have a cap...lets say that cap is $73K...now you have a

problem with your Manager and Clinical Director pay...

>

> Also, do you get any benefits? Most reputable employer benefit

packages run in the range of 30 to 35% of the salary figure....so

the cost of your one truck staffed with all brand new employees just

went up another $100K.Â

>

> The rest of the costs add up as well...although personnel is the

biggest line item (60 to 70% of your costs)....looking down through

your lists, don't forget other things either...billing staff,

printing, capital costs (heart monitors, stretchers, etc), stations.

>

> Our agency's cost (including bad debt and contractual allowances)

per unit hour is approximately $150...per transport approximately

$700....

>

> Dudley

>

>

> What does it cost to run a service?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I was wondering how you make a budget for an EMS

> service. Let me start by saying I am not looking to

> start or run a service, I am just curious and I think

> it would also open some peoples eyes as to how much it

> really costs to run 1 truck 24 hrs. a day.

>

> I realize that a lot of the costs are going to vary

> widely based on the individual service but maybe the

> managers on the list can give us an idea on true

> costs.

>

> I am going to make a list of things that I would think

> you have to budget for, please add or subtract items

> and adjust costs where needed.

>

> Salary for emts and paramedics: based on where I

> currently work as a paramedic makes $47,300 yr. to

> start, emt is approx. $36,000 yr. and we work a 24/72

> shift. So that’s $47,300 x 4 shifts = $189,200

> $36,000 x 4 shifts = $144,000

>

> That’s $330,000 per truck, per year.

>

> Plus vacation/sick time

>

> Station costs (Rent, maintenance, utilities,

> computers, etc.).

>

> Costs of the trucks themselves per year. (let’s say

> you replace them every 3 yrs., how do you figure the

> costs per year?).

>

> Insurance for your personnel and for the units?

>

> Licensing fees per year?

>

> Budget for overtime to cover vacations and sick

> personnel?

>

> Then you have additional administration staff and

> other costs.

>

> Medical Director, $100,000 yr.

>

> General Manager, $65,000 yr.

>

> Clinical Director, $55,000 yr

>

> Administrative assistant $35,000 yr.

>

> 2 Supervisors per shift, $55,000 x 8 = $440,000 yr.

>

> Human Resources Rep. $40,000 yr.

>

> Hiring costs

>

> Billing costs

>

> Supplies.

>

> Continuing education.

>

> Dispatch.

>

> How do you make a budget for a service that has say 10

> trucks, all on 24 hr. shifts, whether its 24/48 or

> 24/72? And include the administrative costs into the

> cost of supporting those units.

>

> Thanks Will

>

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vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of Will

Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:03 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: What does it cost to run a service?

I was wondering how you make a budget for an EMS

service. Let me start by saying I am not looking to

start or run a service, I am just curious and I think

it would also open some peoples eyes as to how much it

really costs to run 1 truck 24 hrs. a day.

I realize that a lot of the costs are going to vary

widely based on the individual service but maybe the

managers on the list can give us an idea on true

costs.

I am going to make a list of things that I would think

you have to budget for, please add or subtract items

and adjust costs where needed.

Salary for emts and paramedics: based on where I

currently work as a paramedic makes $47,300 yr. to

start, emt is approx. $36,000 yr. and we work a 24/72

shift. So that's $47,300 x 4 shifts = $189,200

$36,000 x 4 shifts = $144,000

That's $330,000 per truck, per year.

Plus vacation/sick time

Station costs (Rent, maintenance, utilities,

computers, etc.).

Costs of the trucks themselves per year. (let's say

you replace them every 3 yrs., how do you figure the

costs per year?).

Insurance for your personnel and for the units?

Licensing fees per year?

Budget for overtime to cover vacations and sick

personnel?

Then you have additional administration staff and

other costs.

Medical Director, $100,000 yr.

General Manager, $65,000 yr.

Clinical Director, $55,000 yr

Administrative assistant $35,000 yr.

2 Supervisors per shift, $55,000 x 8 = $440,000 yr.

Human Resources Rep. $40,000 yr.

Hiring costs

Billing costs

Supplies.

Continuing education.

Dispatch.

How do you make a budget for a service that has say 10

trucks, all on 24 hr. shifts, whether its 24/48 or

24/72? And include the administrative costs into the

cost of supporting those units.

Thanks Will

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