Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Liberty EMS, the sole 911 provider for Vidor and the Emergency Services District #1 for Orange County ceased operations Friday. They laid off 40 employees, didn't provide them their payroll that was due for the preceding two weeks, and left the city and ESD without EMS coverage.Our patients are waiting about an hour for mutual aid EMS to arrive now. The following is an excerpt from KBMT : The sole ambulance company serving the Vidor area is closing it's doors. KBMT 12 News has learned that Liberty EMS Company is shutting down. Only 5 months ago, county officials voted to make Liberty the only emergency medical provider for that area. 12 News reached Liberty by phone and a complany employee told us there would be no statement regarding any potential layoffs. Ambulance service will now be handled...At least for now... By stat care and acadia priority. (I think they meant Stat Care, Acadian and Priority One) Steve Young, RN LP FF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Liberty EMS is/was a locally owned private/for profic Emergency Medical Transport Service. They did not run any 911 calls for the City of Beaumont, even though they were located here. They were awarded the 911 contract in Vidor, Texas, when Priority Care from Los Angeles, California withdrew from that city. It was my opinion, I restate my opinion, that they were a successfull small ambulance company, with good employees. I had always been a little suspect of the fact that they were owned by a local physician, who transported patients all over the city. Not having any knowledge of state requirements for ownership of a private service, I must say that if I were a doctor and had multiple patients to transfer, what better way to make more money than to open an ambulance service. But I do not know what the restrictions are for that, and he must have followed those restrictions in his ownership or the state DSHS would have stepped in. It was also being rumored that he had received a reprimand from the state physician medical authority to receive more Continuing Education for evaluating certain types of illnesses and was being mentored by a doctor or doctors in his practice. It is also been stated by several of his employees that he was undergoing a divorce. This is something that I have no personal knowledge of. Things happen in businesses when divorce lawyers and accountants get involved. The bottom line is that this physician did not PAY his employees for their last two weeks of work and gave no indication that this would occur up until the paychecks were due. This is unforgiving and is seen more and more in this world today. They were good hard working employees that deserve better. I wish them and everyone else that has had to endure these circumstances, over and over and over, my prayers and condolences. It just ain't right. God bless them. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Howdy: I had the same thing happen to me,I lost one month of salary. I think its time to push financial responsibility. EMSAT needs to get on top of this. I think there needs to be a law to assure that EMTs will be paid, as I think that this is a form of legalized theft and The wage commission and payday law is a JOKE. I think any employer public or private who does this should be forced to pay a double pay sanction if they do this. I feel the citizens and medics of Liberty County have been betrayed by Liberty EMS. Thank you,rabbiems reasons for Liberty? Liberty EMS, the sole 911 provider for Vidor and the Emergency Services District #1 for Orange County ceased operations Friday. They laid off 40 employees, didn't provide them their payroll that was due for the preceding two weeks, and left the city and ESD without EMS coverage.Our patients are waiting about an hour for mutual aid EMS to arrive now. The following is an excerpt from KBMT : The sole ambulance company serving the Vidor area is closing it's doors. KBMT 12 News has learned that Liberty EMS Company is shutting down. Only 5 months ago, county officials voted to make Liberty the only emergency medical provider for that area. 12 News reached Liberty by phone and a complany employee told us there would be no statement regarding any potential layoffs. Ambulance service will now be handled...At least for now... By stat care and acadia priority. (I think they meant Stat Care, Acadian and Priority One) Steve Young, RN LP FF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Excuse me, did I miss an email? Who is racheal, and who excused anyone for his actions or personal problems? Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hi Racheal: Again,what excuses these actions? He sounds like he is having personal and professional problems. There is a legal as well as moral obligations to pay his employees. Payment of your employees is the top obligation. To me this is a form of theft. In California,it is considered theft and could put him in jail for a while. In Texas, its a joke and not taken serioulsy by the The Labor commission. Our governor condones this activity and does not take any leadership concerning this subject. This is typical, as I consider him on a par with the worst leaders I have known in the military or civilian level. We elected this person as no other candidate was considered capable according to Texans. This will continue as long as we in EMS ignore it. I think this is a priority for EMSAT to lobby for. Regards,rabbiems Re: reasons for Liberty? Liberty EMS is/was a locally owned private/for profic Emergency Medical Transport Service. They did not run any 911 calls for the City of Beaumont, even though they were located here. They were awarded the 911 contract in Vidor, Texas, when Priority Care from Los Angeles, California withdrew from that city. It was my opinion, I restate my opinion, that they were a successfull small ambulance company, with good employees. I had always been a little suspect of the fact that they were owned by a local physician, who transported patients all over the city. Not having any knowledge of state requirements for ownership of a private service, I must say that if I were a doctor and had multiple patients to transfer, what better way to make more money than to open an ambulance service. But I do not know what the restrictions are for that, and he must have followed those restrictions in his ownership or the state DSHS would have stepped in. It was also being rumored that he had received a reprimand from the state physician medical authority to receive more Continuing Education for evaluating certain types of illnesses and was being mentored by a doctor or doctors in his practice. It is also been stated by several of his employees that he was undergoing a divorce. This is something that I have no personal knowledge of. Things happen in businesses when divorce lawyers and accountants get involved. The bottom line is that this physician did not PAY his employees for their last two weeks of work and gave no indication that this would occur up until the paychecks were due. This is unforgiving and is seen more and more in this world today. They were good hard working employees that deserve better. I wish them and everyone else that has had to endure these circumstances, over and over and over, my prayers and condolences. It just ain't right. God bless them. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Andy Maybe he has some old pics of you in drag?!?!? Could that be it?!?! LOL SETX EMS market never ceases to amaze me!! I am glad I am out of there... > > Excuse me, did I miss an email? Who is racheal, and who excused anyone for > his actions or personal problems? > > Andy > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 We're not Houston! What a great motto for Beaumont! GG ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 : Please pardon me. I meant our current governor,condones this activity. Yes, I feel Acadian is a good corporate citizen. We need Texas companies to mandated by law to do the same as greed and profit rule many of their actions. WE need EMSAT on top of this issue. rabbiems Excuse me, did I miss an email? Who is racheal, and who excused anyone for his actions or personal problems? Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 There are some old bad pics of me out there, but none in drag.? Those were before cameras were invented.? I agree, this area is a never ending battle of what EMS is not all about.? But at least we are not in Houston. Andy Foote Re: reasons for Liberty? Andy Maybe he has some old pics of you in drag?!?!? Could that be it?!?! LOL SETX EMS market never ceases to amaze me!! I am glad I am out of there... > > Excuse me, did I miss an email? Who is racheal, and who excused anyone for > his actions or personal problems? > > Andy > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Dear , Again I ask, who is ?? Andy Foote Re: reasons for Liberty? : Please pardon me. I meant our current governor,condones this activity. Yes, I feel Acadian is a good corporate citizen. We need Texas companies to mandated by law to do the same as greed and profit rule many of their actions. WE need EMSAT on top of this issue. rabbiems Excuse me, did I miss an email? Who is racheal, and who excused anyone for his actions or personal problems? Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Probably comes from your email address, Andy. I've almost called you Foote a couple of times myself. -- Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc. MEDIC Training Solutions http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 For those not yet aware, our attorney general has advised TDSHS that not paying employees is fraud since the EMS companies recieve state and federal funds. TDSHS now investigates those complaints. I would advise anyone with these types of problems to contact their local rep and have these companies slapped with fines on their licenses. Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic Re: reasons for Liberty? Liberty EMS is/was a locally owned private/for profic Emergency Medical Transport Service. They did not run any 911 calls for the City of Beaumont, even though they were located here. They were awarded the 911 contract in Vidor, Texas, when Priority Care from Los Angeles, California withdrew from that city. It was my opinion, I restate my opinion, that they were a successfull small ambulance company, with good employees. I had always been a little suspect of the fact that they were owned by a local physician, who transported patients all over the city. Not having any knowledge of state requirements for ownership of a private service, I must say that if I were a doctor and had multiple patients to transfer, what better way to make more money than to open an ambulance service. But I do not know what the restrictions are for that, and he must have followed those restrictions in his ownership or the state DSHS would have stepped in. It was also being rumored that he had received a reprimand from the state physician medical authority to receive more Continuing Education for evaluating certain types of illnesses and was being mentored by a doctor or doctors in his practice. It is also been stated by several of his employees that he was undergoing a divorce. This is something that I have no personal knowledge of. Things happen in businesses when divorce lawyers and accountants get involved. The bottom line is that this physician did not PAY his employees for their last two weeks of work and gave no indication that this would occur up until the paychecks were due. This is unforgiving and is seen more and more in this world today. They were good hard working employees that deserve better. I wish them and everyone else that has had to endure these circumstances, over and over and over, my prayers and condolences. It just ain't right. God bless them. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Try Ratchet Jaw, its more appropriate.? Actually rach are initials to first and middle names. Andy Foote Re: Re: reasons for Liberty? Probably comes from your email address, Andy. I've almost called you Foote a couple of times myself. -- Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc. MEDIC Training Solutions http://www.medictrainingsolutions.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 While I realize that we all can't have the perfect EMS job if such a thing even exists, there's also such a thing as going into?a job eyes wide open.? A new startup is more likely to bounce paychecks than a 30-year old city EMS department. A " routine investigation " doesn't typically involve armed Federal agents executing a search warrant. The same names of ambulance service owners owning a new business doesn't mean that they've necessarily changed their ways. While I realize that we're not all lucky enough to work for Henry Barber, Andy Foote, or some of the other great EMS directors out there, we aren't completely without fault when we fail to ask questions before we take a job. And Sal, can you give us a citation or reference to that AG's finding?? Are you referring to an opinion issued by Greg Abbott, the Texas Attorney General? -Wes Ogilvie Re: reasons for Liberty? For those not yet aware, our attorney general has advised TDSHS that not paying employees is fraud since the EMS companies recieve state and federal funds. TDSHS now investigates those complaints. I would advise anyone with these types of problems to contact their local rep and have these companies slapped with fines on their licenses. Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic Re: reasons for Liberty? Liberty EMS is/was a locally owned private/for profic Emergency Medical Transport Service. They did not run any 911 calls for the City of Beaumont, even though they were located here. They were awarded the 911 contract in Vidor, Texas, when Priority Care from Los Angeles, California withdrew from that city. It was my opinion, I restate my opinion, that they were a successfull small ambulance company, with good employees. I had always been a little suspect of the fact that they were owned by a local physician, who transported patients all over the city. Not having any knowledge of state requirements for ownership of a private service, I must say that if I were a doctor and had multiple patients to transfer, what better way to make more money than to open an ambulance service. But I do not know what the restrictions are for that, and he must have followed those restrictions in his ownership or the state DSHS would have stepped in. It was also being rumored that he had received a reprimand from the state physician medical authority to receive more Continuing Education for evaluating certain types of illnesses and was being mentored by a doctor or doctors in his practice. It is also been stated by several of his employees that he was undergoing a divorce. This is something that I have no personal knowledge of. Things happen in businesses when divorce lawyers and accountants get involved. The bottom line is that this physician did not PAY his employees for their last two weeks of work and gave no indication that this would occur up until the paychecks were due. This is unforgiving and is seen more and more in this world today. They were good hard working employees that deserve better. I wish them and everyone else that has had to endure these circumstances, over and over and over, my prayers and condolences. It just ain't right. God bless them. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Thank you sir, I had not thought of it that way. Andy Foote Re: Re: reasons for Liberty? We're not Houston! What a great motto for Beaumont! GG ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 In a message dated 9/10/2007 9:59:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rachfoote@... writes: Again I ask, who is ?? It's OK to have an alter ego Andy, not hat there's anything wrong with that mind you. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) (Home Phone) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I can't see how you could get a fraud charge out of it unless you can prove some misrepresentation in the inducement for going to work for them. It's pure and simple this: they ran out of money, spent it on something else, or the lawyers got it, but it ain't in the bank account, and they can't make the payments. If I was one of those people owed money I'd be at the local JP's office right now filing a small claims action for it, and getting a judgment. Judgment creditors are ahead of the others in bankruptcy court, and this guy being a doctor, sooner or later you'll get paid. Forget the Attorney General. Gene > > While I am not sure where this came from exactly, our rep in the Valley told > us about it. The Valley has had it's share of rubber checks from EMS > providers. Apparently the AG advised them that not paying employees would fall under > a fraud investigation since the providers are paid from state and federal > funds. And last I heard they were investigating complaints like these. Also > there has been an increase in PDs investigating these cases too as theft of > service. We argued that it was a civil matter, but they insisted it was a form of > theft of service. The problem is not that bad anymore. It still happens, but > not that often. > Salvador Capuchino Jr > EMT-Paramedic > > Re: reasons for Liberty? > > Liberty EMS is/was a locally owned private/for profic Emergency Medical > Transport Service. They did not run any 911 calls for the City of Beaumont, > even though they were located here. They were awarded the 911 contract in > Vidor, Texas, when Priority Care from Los Angeles, California withdrew from > that > city. It was my opinion, I restate my opinion, that they were a successfull > small ambulance company, with good employees. > > I had always been a little suspect of the fact that they were owned by a > local physician, who transported patients all over the city. Not having any > knowledge of state requirements for ownership of a private service, I must > say > that if I were a doctor and had multiple patients to transfer, what better > way > to make more money than to open an ambulance service. But I do not know > what the restrictions are for that, and he must have followed those > restrictions > in his ownership or the state DSHS would have stepped in. > > It was also being rumored that he had received a reprimand from the state > physician medical authority to receive more Continuing Education for > evaluating > certain types of illnesses and was being mentored by a doctor or doctors in > his practice. It is also been stated by several of his employees that he was > undergoing a divorce. This is something that I have no personal knowledge > of. Things happen in businesses when divorce lawyers and accountants get > involved. > > The bottom line is that this physician did not PAY his employees for their > last two weeks of work and gave no indication that this would occur up until > the paychecks were due. This is unforgiving and is seen more and more in > this > world today. > > They were good hard working employees that deserve better. I wish them and > everyone else that has had to endure these circumstances, over and over and > over, my prayers and condolences. It just ain't right. > > God bless them. > > Andy > > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>*********http://www.aol.htt > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 While I am not sure where this came from exactly, our rep in the Valley told us about it. The Valley has had it's share of rubber checks from EMS providers. Apparently the AG advised them that not paying employees would fall under a fraud investigation since the providers are paid from state and federal funds. And last I heard they were investigating complaints like these. Also there has been an increase in PDs investigating these cases too as theft of service. We argued that it was a civil matter, but they insisted it was a form of theft of service. The problem is not that bad anymore. It still happens, but not that often. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Re: reasons for Liberty? Liberty EMS is/was a locally owned private/for profic Emergency Medical Transport Service. They did not run any 911 calls for the City of Beaumont, even though they were located here. They were awarded the 911 contract in Vidor, Texas, when Priority Care from Los Angeles, California withdrew from that city. It was my opinion, I restate my opinion, that they were a successfull small ambulance company, with good employees. I had always been a little suspect of the fact that they were owned by a local physician, who transported patients all over the city. Not having any knowledge of state requirements for ownership of a private service, I must say that if I were a doctor and had multiple patients to transfer, what better way to make more money than to open an ambulance service. But I do not know what the restrictions are for that, and he must have followed those restrictions in his ownership or the state DSHS would have stepped in. It was also being rumored that he had received a reprimand from the state physician medical authority to receive more Continuing Education for evaluating certain types of illnesses and was being mentored by a doctor or doctors in his practice. It is also been stated by several of his employees that he was undergoing a divorce. This is something that I have no personal knowledge of. Things happen in businesses when divorce lawyers and accountants get involved. The bottom line is that this physician did not PAY his employees for their last two weeks of work and gave no indication that this would occur up until the paychecks were due. This is unforgiving and is seen more and more in this world today. They were good hard working employees that deserve better. I wish them and everyone else that has had to endure these circumstances, over and over and over, my prayers and condolences. It just ain't right. God bless them. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I would actually argue that this is one of cases where it's both a civil and criminal act.? Theft of service actually does apply to this case.?? I'm just trying to figure out how fraud applies, that's all. It may take the prospect of being Bubba's roommate in Huntsville for some of these shady EMS managers to actually not kite paychecks. I've prosecuted bad check cases before and never seen them filed as fraud before. -Wes Ogilvie Re: reasons for Liberty? While I am not sure where this came from exactly, our rep in the Valley told us about it. The Valley has had it's share of rubber checks from EMS providers. Apparently the AG advised them that not paying employees would fall under a fraud investigation since the providers are paid from state and federal funds. And last I heard they were investigating complaints like these. Also there has been an increase in PDs investigating these cases too as theft of service. We argued that it was a civil matter, but they insisted it was a form of theft of service. The problem is not that bad anymore. It still happens, but not that often. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Re: reasons for Liberty? Liberty EMS is/was a locally owned private/for profic Emergency Medical Transport Service. They did not run any 911 calls for the City of Beaumont, even though they were located here. They were awarded the 911 contract in Vidor, Texas, when Priority Care from Los Angeles, California withdrew from that city. It was my opinion, I restate my opinion, that they were a successfull small ambulance company, with good employees. I had always been a little suspect of the fact that they were owned by a local physician, who transported patients all over the city. Not having any knowledge of state requirements for ownership of a private service, I must say that if I were a doctor and had multiple patients to transfer, what better way to make more money than to open an ambulance service. But I do not know what the restrictions are for that, and he must have followed those restrictions in his ownership or the state DSHS would have stepped in. It was also being rumored that he had received a reprimand from the state physician medical authority to receive more Continuing Education for evaluating certain types of illnesses and was being mentored by a doctor or doctors in his practice. It is also been stated by several of his employees that he was undergoing a divorce. This is something that I have no personal knowledge of. Things happen in businesses when divorce lawyers and accountants get involved. The bottom line is that this physician did not PAY his employees for their last two weeks of work and gave no indication that this would occur up until the paychecks were due. This is unforgiving and is seen more and more in this world today. They were good hard working employees that deserve better. I wish them and everyone else that has had to endure these circumstances, over and over and over, my prayers and condolences. It just ain't right. God bless them. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Well like I said from what we were told since the EMS company recieves federal and state funds for payment of service, he considers it fraud not to pay the employees. Now he may just be doing this because of the increase in fraud cases and sees this as another weapon in the fight between good and evil. Grin. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Re: reasons for Liberty? Liberty EMS is/was a locally owned private/for profic Emergency Medical Transport Service. They did not run any 911 calls for the City of Beaumont, even though they were located here. They were awarded the 911 contract in Vidor, Texas, when Priority Care from Los Angeles, California withdrew from that city. It was my opinion, I restate my opinion, that they were a successfull small ambulance company, with good employees. I had always been a little suspect of the fact that they were owned by a local physician, who transported patients all over the city. Not having any knowledge of state requirements for ownership of a private service, I must say that if I were a doctor and had multiple patients to transfer, what better way to make more money than to open an ambulance service. But I do not know what the restrictions are for that, and he must have followed those restrictions in his ownership or the state DSHS would have stepped in. It was also being rumored that he had received a reprimand from the state physician medical authority to receive more Continuing Education for evaluating certain types of illnesses and was being mentored by a doctor or doctors in his practice. It is also been stated by several of his employees that he was undergoing a divorce. This is something that I have no personal knowledge of. Things happen in businesses when divorce lawyers and accountants get involved. The bottom line is that this physician did not PAY his employees for their last two weeks of work and gave no indication that this would occur up until the paychecks were due. This is unforgiving and is seen more and more in this world today. They were good hard working employees that deserve better. I wish them and everyone else that has had to endure these circumstances, over and over and over, my prayers and condolences. It just ain't right. God bless them. Andy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 In a message dated 9/10/2007 2:02:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: It may take the prospect of being Bubba's roommate in Huntsville for some of these shady EMS managers to actually not kite paychecks. Not so fast to blame the " Managers " , very often it is not the manager but rather the Owner. I once worked for an outfit in PA that well shall we say had ties to a certain type of figure that was well rather stereo typical of some fictitious characters from a now off the air TV Drama seen on HBO. At the time I was a worker bee type but was soon promoted to Dispatcher and in this case that was the ONLY layer of middle management we had, I did the schedule on my 3 - 11 shift of the next day for the regular transports and the like. I also culled the monthly reports on the first weekend shift of every month for the previous month. We averaged 125-150 scheduled jobs a day and added on 15 -25 per day for non scheduled stiff so 200 per day was a high average. I noticed at the very first time I did the monthly reports (based on the run sheets and the dispatch totals that we were never under 250-300 runs per day. Well math is not my strong suite but even an Aggie (which I am not) can see the 2+2+2=12 syndrome is a bad thing. I stayed 5 maybe 6 months and found greener less likely to get me cooked pastures, many years later when the fraud stuff was hitting the fan one of the very first companies to get pinched was you know who. No one in management was getting a dime but the owners al drove Beamers. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) (Home Phone) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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