Re: Does he totally contradict himself?

[Guest guest]

hehehe they do a lot of that over there... you're either one of them or

you are gone.. hehehe

You guys pretty much know I'm pro natural thyroid, has to do with how my

body gets all messed up using synthetic T4.. but my personal belief is

that we have to learn as much as we can about all available options or we

wont' be able to find what works correctly for our individual body.

I had to take the extra step and try synthetic T4 again.. and finally

found out that it was the synthetic and not just being underdosed on it

that bothered me... so.. now I know my particular situation and, from

that, hope to be able to help others better see what is working well for

them and what is not.

I truly envy those that can function well using only synthetic T4

products.. they are the truly lucky ones that can take that one pill in

the morning and be 'normal' I, unfortunately am not.. and many here are

not...

but... if we ban a particular group of meds as being crap, are we not

being just as blind and judgmental as the docs that ended up making us

seek more information on our own in an attempt to improve our quality of

life??

There are other topics covered here that don't exactly make me go YIPPEE

when they are discussed.. but if they help folks, is that not a good

thing to discuss them so that that information is available to others

that it may help?

As long as a subject (type of product, treatment, regime) is appropriate

and of benefit.. I think we should be able to discuss it.. and share it's

pros and cons so that others can be informed and make educated choices...

Because of how different this thyroid stuff affects each individual it's

that much more important that we be able to consider all available

options.

Anyway.. that's my thinkin...

I've read a couple of the studies done using synthetic combo rather than

natural. In both they never did the study long enough, I think one was

like 2 weeks, the other for 4, to be able to tell a difference.. they, I

think, didn't dose the T3 very well.. it was, in one case, done in a

rather large single dose in the morning, which for quite a few, is the

wrong way to do it.. it's too huge a strain on heart and adrenals that

way, taking the T3 in smaller doses, spread throughout the day, does the

trick...

You know what I do absolutely the best on? Synthetic T3 only.. dosed

every two hours form the time I get up till the time I go to bed. but

it's impossible to do that day in and day out for the rest of your life

though....

Topper ()

Group Owner

On Sat, 19 May 2007 12:03:24 -0000 " bluesparklepony "

myidahobeachbum@...> writes:

> Endocrinology: Natural thyroid hormone for hypothyroidism

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----------

>

> Question:

> " Is there any evidence for using natural desiccated thyroid hormone

> for treatment of hypothyroidism? Are there any advantages or

> drawbacks in using this compared to thyroxine? " queries DANIEL

> DODEK, MD, of Vancouver, BC.

>

> Answer:

> I don't have any experience using this medication, which contains

> thyroxine and triiodothyronine (T[subscript 3]).

< snip >

> but I guess they

> kicked me out. I dissagreed with one of their main folks over there

> once... guess you need to shut up or get out on that forum.

< snip >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Why is it impossible to take T3 only for the rest of

your life?

The doctor who put me on a T4/T3 combination treatment

says in his book that he has patients on T3 only. He

also says that it raises eyebrows when blood tests are

done and the results show zero Free T4 and the patient

appears healthy.

I think- but can't swear to it - that Holmes

(author of 'Tears Behind Closed Doors') takes 40mcg T3

only each day.

--- topper2@... wrote:

> hehehe they do a lot of that over there... you're

> either one of them or

> you are gone.. hehehe

>

> You guys pretty much know I'm pro natural thyroid,

> has to do with how my

> body gets all messed up using synthetic T4.. but my

> personal belief is

> that we have to learn as much as we can about all

> available options or we

> wont' be able to find what works correctly for our

> individual body.

>

> I had to take the extra step and try synthetic T4

> again.. and finally

> found out that it was the synthetic and not just

> being underdosed on it

> that bothered me... so.. now I know my particular

> situation and, from

> that, hope to be able to help others better see what

> is working well for

> them and what is not.

>

> I truly envy those that can function well using only

> synthetic T4

> products.. they are the truly lucky ones that can

> take that one pill in

> the morning and be 'normal' I, unfortunately am

> not.. and many here are

> not...

>

> but... if we ban a particular group of meds as being

> crap, are we not

> being just as blind and judgmental as the docs that

> ended up making us

> seek more information on our own in an attempt to

> improve our quality of

> life??

>

> There are other topics covered here that don't

> exactly make me go YIPPEE

> when they are discussed.. but if they help folks, is

> that not a good

> thing to discuss them so that that information is

> available to others

> that it may help?

>

> As long as a subject (type of product, treatment,

> regime) is appropriate

> and of benefit.. I think we should be able to

> discuss it.. and share it's

> pros and cons so that others can be informed and

> make educated choices...

>

> Because of how different this thyroid stuff affects

> each individual it's

> that much more important that we be able to consider

> all available

> options.

>

> Anyway.. that's my thinkin...

>

> I've read a couple of the studies done using

> synthetic combo rather than

> natural. In both they never did the study long

> enough, I think one was

> like 2 weeks, the other for 4, to be able to tell a

> difference.. they, I

> think, didn't dose the T3 very well.. it was, in one

> case, done in a

> rather large single dose in the morning, which for

> quite a few, is the

> wrong way to do it.. it's too huge a strain on heart

> and adrenals that

> way, taking the T3 in smaller doses, spread

> throughout the day, does the

> trick...

>

> You know what I do absolutely the best on? Synthetic

> T3 only.. dosed

> every two hours form the time I get up till the time

> I go to bed. but

> it's impossible to do that day in and day out for

> the rest of your life

> though....

>

> Topper ()

> Group Owner

>

> On Sat, 19 May 2007 12:03:24 -0000 " bluesparklepony "

> myidahobeachbum@...> writes:

> > Endocrinology: Natural thyroid hormone for

> hypothyroidism

> >

> >

> >

>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

> > ----------

> >

> > Question:

> > " Is there any evidence for using natural

> desiccated thyroid hormone

> > for treatment of hypothyroidism? Are there any

> advantages or

> > drawbacks in using this compared to thyroxine? "

> queries DANIEL

> > DODEK, MD, of Vancouver, BC.

> >

> > Answer:

> > I don't have any experience using this medication,

> which contains

> > thyroxine and triiodothyronine (T[subscript 3]).

>

> < snip >

>

> > but I guess they

> > kicked me out. I dissagreed with one of their

> main folks over there

> > once... guess you need to shut up or get out on

> that forum.

>

> < snip >

>

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[Guest guest]

What's impossible is to be taking a dose of T3 every 2 hours every day

for the rest of your life...

I know folks that are on T3 only.. they have trouble with proper

conversion.. or just need a kick of T3 to make up for not so good

conversion.. it does work for them...

Remember though. I have zero gland function left.. so when I was taking

T3 only that is absolutely all I had coming in... so I was totally

dependant on dosing every two hours to keep levels even through the

day... if I missed a dose..

..... well lets say it takes several hours to get the impression of the

keyboard keys off your forehead!!!

On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:04:14 -0700 (PDT)

knodgery@...> writes:

> Hi ,

> Why is it impossible to take T3 only for the rest of

> your life?

> The doctor who put me on a T4/T3 combination treatment

> says in his book that he has patients on T3 only. He

> also says that it raises eyebrows when blood tests are

> done and the results show zero Free T4 and the patient

> appears healthy.

> I think- but can't swear to it - that Holmes

> (author of 'Tears Behind Closed Doors') takes 40mcg T3

> only each day.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not ,

But I am a pharmacist....

T3 has a very short half-life -- it does not " stick "

in your system like T4, so you have spikes and valleys

in the level. At this time, there is no " timed

release " formulation of T3, so it makes it difficult

to be on T3 only.

I personally am on Levoxyl and Cytomel, and I take the

Cytomel (T3) twice a day at small doses -- it has made

me feel normal again, and I am very thankful my doc

listened when I told him I was still symptomatic while

on a " good " dose of Levoxyl only.

Auburn, AL

--- knodgery@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

> Why is it impossible to take T3 only for the rest of

> your life?

> The doctor who put me on a T4/T3 combination

> treatment

> says in his book that he has patients on T3 only. He

> also says that it raises eyebrows when blood tests

> are

> done and the results show zero Free T4 and the

> patient

> appears healthy.

> I think- but can't swear to it - that Holmes

> (author of 'Tears Behind Closed Doors') takes 40mcg

> T3

> only each day.

>

>

>

>

> --- topper2@... wrote:

>

> > hehehe they do a lot of that over there... you're

> > either one of them or

> > you are gone.. hehehe

> >

> > You guys pretty much know I'm pro natural thyroid,

> > has to do with how my

> > body gets all messed up using synthetic T4.. but

> my

> > personal belief is

> > that we have to learn as much as we can about all

> > available options or we

> > wont' be able to find what works correctly for our

> > individual body.

> >

> > I had to take the extra step and try synthetic T4

> > again.. and finally

> > found out that it was the synthetic and not just

> > being underdosed on it

> > that bothered me... so.. now I know my particular

> > situation and, from

> > that, hope to be able to help others better see

> what

> > is working well for

> > them and what is not.

> >

> > I truly envy those that can function well using

> only

> > synthetic T4

> > products.. they are the truly lucky ones that can

> > take that one pill in

> > the morning and be 'normal' I, unfortunately am

> > not.. and many here are

> > not...

> >

> > but... if we ban a particular group of meds as

> being

> > crap, are we not

> > being just as blind and judgmental as the docs

> that

> > ended up making us

> > seek more information on our own in an attempt to

> > improve our quality of

> > life??

> >

> > There are other topics covered here that don't

> > exactly make me go YIPPEE

> > when they are discussed.. but if they help folks,

> is

> > that not a good

> > thing to discuss them so that that information is

> > available to others

> > that it may help?

> >

> > As long as a subject (type of product, treatment,

> > regime) is appropriate

> > and of benefit.. I think we should be able to

> > discuss it.. and share it's

> > pros and cons so that others can be informed and

> > make educated choices...

> >

> > Because of how different this thyroid stuff

> affects

> > each individual it's

> > that much more important that we be able to

> consider

> > all available

> > options.

> >

> > Anyway.. that's my thinkin...

> >

> > I've read a couple of the studies done using

> > synthetic combo rather than

> > natural. In both they never did the study long

> > enough, I think one was

> > like 2 weeks, the other for 4, to be able to tell

> a

> > difference.. they, I

> > think, didn't dose the T3 very well.. it was, in

> one

> > case, done in a

> > rather large single dose in the morning, which for

> > quite a few, is the

> > wrong way to do it.. it's too huge a strain on

> heart

> > and adrenals that

> > way, taking the T3 in smaller doses, spread

> > throughout the day, does the

> > trick...

> >

> > You know what I do absolutely the best on?

> Synthetic

> > T3 only.. dosed

> > every two hours form the time I get up till the

> time

> > I go to bed. but

> > it's impossible to do that day in and day out for

> > the rest of your life

> > though....

> >

> > Topper ()

> > Group Owner

> >

> > On Sat, 19 May 2007 12:03:24 -0000

> " bluesparklepony "

> > myidahobeachbum@...> writes:

> > > Endocrinology: Natural thyroid hormone for

> > hypothyroidism

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

> > > ----------

> > >

> > > Question:

> > > " Is there any evidence for using natural

> > desiccated thyroid hormone

> > > for treatment of hypothyroidism? Are there any

> > advantages or

> > > drawbacks in using this compared to thyroxine? "

> > queries DANIEL

> > > DODEK, MD, of Vancouver, BC.

> > >

> > > Answer:

> > > I don't have any experience using this

> medication,

> > which contains

> > > thyroxine and triiodothyronine (T[subscript 3]).

>

> >

> > < snip >

> >

> > > but I guess they

> > > kicked me out. I dissagreed with one of their

> > main folks over there

> > > once... guess you need to shut up or get out on

> > that forum.

> >

> > < snip >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> hehehe they do a lot of that over there... you're either one of them

or

> you are gone.. hehehe

>

Yep, I guess you're right. I made the mistake of asking about the

safety of Armour when the whole tainted dog food and hog farms thing

was going on, and then I used (eeeek!!!) CAPITOL LETTERS and was

accused of having an outburst. I didnt know I could HOLLER WITH MY

KEYBOARD! Hey, THIS IS FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm standing on the arm of

my couch... I'M QUEEN OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!) Oh, that felt good.

[Guest guest]

So, really we only need T3...if we take it every 2 hours?Peggytopper2@... wrote:You know what I do absolutely the best on? Synthetic T3 only.. dosed every two hours form the time I get up till the time I go to bed. but it's impossible to do that day in and day out for the rest of your life though.... Topper () Group Owner

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Could you add a video next time? I'd like to see that, lol.Peggy in TNbluesparklepony wrote: > > hehehe they do a lot of that over there... you're either one of them or > you are gone.. hehehe > Yep, I guess you're right. I made the

mistake of asking about the safety of Armour when the whole tainted dog food and hog farms thing was going on, and then I used (eeeek!!!) CAPITOL LETTERS and was accused of having an outburst. I didnt know I could HOLLER WITH MY KEYBOARD! Hey, THIS IS FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm standing on the arm of my couch... I'M QUEEN OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!) Oh, that felt good.

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[Guest guest]

LOL! Yep your the Queen.......Enjoy it while you can.

That is to bad they accused you of that. I know with Thyroid eye

disease some people get double vision and they will type in all caps

because they are having so much trouble with their eyes.

Sami

> Yep, I guess you're right. I made the mistake of asking about the

> safety of Armour when the whole tainted dog food and hog farms thing

> was going on, and then I used (eeeek!!!) CAPITOL LETTERS and was

> accused of having an outburst. I didnt know I could HOLLER WITH MY

> KEYBOARD! Hey, THIS IS FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm standing on the arm of

> my couch... I'M QUEEN OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!) Oh, that felt good.

>

[Guest guest]

And you never know when something totally off the wall will trigger

something to make things better. I know for myself I'm always looking

for something better.

Sami

>

> hehehe they do a lot of that over there... you're either one of them or

> you are gone.. hehehe

>

> but... if we ban a particular group of meds as being crap, are we not

> being just as blind and judgmental as the docs that ended up making us

> seek more information on our own in an attempt to improve our quality of

> life??

>

> There are other topics covered here that don't exactly make me go YIPPEE

> when they are discussed.. but if they help folks, is that not a good

> thing to discuss them so that that information is available to others

> that it may help?

>

> As long as a subject (type of product, treatment, regime) is appropriate

> and of benefit.. I think we should be able to discuss it.. and share

it's

> pros and cons so that others can be informed and make educated

choices...

>

> Because of how different this thyroid stuff affects each individual it's

> that much more important that we be able to consider all available

> options.

>

> Anyway.. that's my thinkin...

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly

it...

I will NEVER forget how a simple comment about not having enough T3

during the night could contribute to chronic pain followed by the

suggestion to change the time schedule of my dosing was THE thing that

made years of chronic pain end in just one night.

I can't even describe what it felt like that first morning... after

literally years of waking being an experience in torture.. ribs, hurt,

back hurt, headache, muscles aches, hips, legs.. you name it.. but mostly

ribs.. so that every breath every movement made me want to scream. That

had been every day for so long I don't even remember when if first

started.

I woke up... and swung my legs over the side of the bed and sat up and

then just froze. I didn't hurt. It's at that point when you stop turn and

look to see if your body is still laying down on the bed... not an

exaggeration either!

That simple comment was the turning point in my life... and because of

that I try not to stifle myself when I get to rambling.. cuz you never

know when some trivial thing, to you, comes falling out of your brain,

splats on the screen and becomes someone's else's magic answer.

It's so very easy to focus so much on the BIG things that this thyroid

stuff affects that we often miss little things... and it can be those

little things, seemingly insignificant clues, that can be that pivotal

thing that turns things around.

..... scooting soap box back into corner...

Topper ()

On Sun, 20 May 2007 05:53:02 -0000 " Sami " samkelly729@...>

writes:

> And you never know when something totally off the wall will trigger

> something to make things better. I know for myself I'm always

> looking for something better.

>

> Sami

[Guest guest]

Controversy there.

Yep, you can live happily ding that, a percentage of us. BUT

if you do it that way, and don't have any source of T4 to build up reserves, you are totally screwed if you can't get your T3 doses.

Even those with poor conversion levels produce enough T3 to be able to support life support functions. Heart, lungs, basic brain function. But if there is no hormone there at all... how long do you live?

I would guess you dont' just keel over dead. I went three years with little or no thyroid meds. My gland is totally dead, so I wasn't getting anything from it... but the quality of my life wasn't worth dog doo doo. Couldn't walk on my own, though that started while still under doc's care. Never ending pain. 'Sit and cry for no' reason depression. Stress would make me just shut down... I'd sit in a chair for hours and not do anything. no TV, no radio, no puter, nothing.. I'd just sit. To do anything more than just breathe was beyond me. Didn't sleep.. I was so exhausted that I'd cry. then go lay down and not sleep.. I'd lay there all night long not sleeping just to get up and came in here and sit. Too tired, too much pain.. just sit.

Do you guys, well, some of you do, know what it's like to go for years thinking that relief was just to get an hour or two of sleep a night? You never realize how long days can be when they are 20 and 22 hours every day.. when you hurt all that time and it NEVER goes away.

I have to think of something else right now.. that part of my life still causes nightmares, I kid you not.

Topper ()

On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:50:10 -0700 (PDT) PAC writes:

So, really we only need T3...if we take it every 2 hours?Peggy

[Guest guest]

me too me too I Wanna see too!!

hehehee

Topper ()

On Sat, 19 May 2007 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT) PAC writes:

Could you add a video next time? I'd like to see that, lol.Peggy in TNbluesparklepony wrote:

< snip >

I didnt know I could HOLLER WITH MY KEYBOARD! Hey, THIS IS FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm standing on the arm of my couch... I'M QUEEN OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!) Oh, that felt good.

[Guest guest]

This is exactly how I lived for yrs. Then had storms and thyroid removed and finally got minimal thyroid meds. But I could at least cook my food then. And now I'm on more and am aready making improvments. Bernetta

-- Re: Does he totally contradict himself?

Controversy there.

Yep, you can live happily ding that, a percentage of us. BUT

if you do it that way, and don't have any source of T4 to build up reserves, you are totally screwed if you can't get your T3 doses.

Even those with poor conversion levels produce enough T3 to be able to support life support functions. Heart, lungs, basic brain function. But if there is no hormone there at all... how long do you live?

I would guess you dont' just keel over dead. I went three years with little or no thyroid meds. My gland is totally dead, so I wasn't getting anything from it... but the quality of my life wasn't worth dog doo doo. Couldn't walk on my own, though that started while still under doc's care. Never ending pain. 'Sit and cry for no' reason depression. Stress would make me just shut down... I'd sit in a chair for hours and not do anything. no TV, no radio, no puter, nothing.. I'd just sit. To do anything more than just breathe was beyond me. Didn't sleep.. I was so exhausted that I'd cry. then go lay down and not sleep.. I'd lay there all night long not sleeping just to get up and came in here and sit. Too tired, too much pain.. just sit.

Do you guys, well, some of you do, know what it's like to go for years thinking that relief was just to get an hour or two of sleep a night? You never realize how long days can be when they are 20 and 22 hours every day.. when you hurt all that time and it NEVER goes away.

I have to think of something else right now.. that part of my life still causes nightmares, I kid you not.

Topper ()

On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:50:10 -0700 (PDT) PAC writes:

So, really we only need T3...if we take it every 2 hours?Peggy

[Guest guest]

Then those miserable jerks have the gawl to say we imagine it... Just one day, bucko, just live one day in our shoes and tell us how 'make believe' it is for you!!!

.... moving boxes in front of soap box that is chained in the corner...

hehehe

Topper ()

On Sun, 20 May 2007 10:17:08 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bernetta Elliott" writes:

This is exactly how I lived for yrs. Then had storms and thyroid removed and finally got minimal thyroid meds. But I could at least cook my food then. And now I'm on more and am aready making improvments. Bernetta

[Guest guest]

Well, since I don't have a functioning thyroid, I guess I'll stick to T3 and T4 .Yes, I understand all those things mentioned below which is why I'm taking Effexor; again didn't know it could be thyroid related. My mother was driving me nuts. I have put several life circumstances together that I never understood before.I'll never be able to thank you enough.Peggytopper 'Sit and cry for no' reason depression. Stress would make me just shut down... I'd sit in a chair for hours and not do anything. no TV, no radio, no puter, nothing.. I'd just sit. To do

anything more than just breathe was beyond me. Didn't sleep.. I was so exhausted that I'd cry. then go lay down and not sleep.. I'd lay there all night long not sleeping just to get up and came in here and sit. Too tired, too much pain.. just sit. Do you guys, well, some of you do, know what it's like to go for years thinking that relief was just to get an hour or two of sleep a night? You never realize how long days can be when they are 20 and 22 hours every day.. when you hurt all that time and it NEVER goes away. I have to think of something else right now.. that part of my life still causes nightmares, I kid you not. Topper ()

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I shared my nightmare this morning.. that era of my past... now I want to share the good stuff now...

I got a sound machine, geeze.. a couple of months now maybe? It was one of the 'gifts' offered through a survey site.. you buy the gifts with points...

It's magic for me.. whatever it does to the brain.. I can't explain it... there are two sounds that are working for me... the crickets one and ocean waves...

It just konks me right out most nights.. and if I wake for a potty run or something I just lay down, close my eyes and I'm back in lala land.. There are still nights when I'm wired over something that in on my mind.. occasionally that's a normal thing.. but most nights now I sleep really really well.. just a combo of things... my adrenals are happy... I have the hormone timing stuff figured out for my body.. and a snack a bit before bed time... all pulls together to make nights no longer waking nightmares....

*big smile*

Don't worry.. thanks will come as you help others figure out how to be alive again... your time will come...

Topper ()

On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:34:01 -0700 (PDT) PAC writes:

Well, since I don't have a functioning thyroid, I guess I'll stick to T3 and T4 .Yes, I understand all those things mentioned below which is why I'm taking Effexor; again didn't know it could be thyroid related. My mother was driving me nuts. I have put several life circumstances together that I never understood before.I'll never be able to thank you enough.Peggy

[Guest guest]

Well, my mother is driving me nuts NOW. She is 82, has lost some of her memory and is very pigheaded and stubborn about accepting any help. She came to live with me a yr ago. She is a wonderful lady, and I love her dearly, but can be quite hurtful when she's protecting her "independence". The trouble with that is that she forgets to take her medicine or takes too much, but formerly wouldn't let me load her medicine trays (because of a sort of paranoia about anyone taking away this so called "independence") at all without us going ten rounds. I added a lot of stress to my life when I requested for her to move in with me, but hey, she's my mother, and you only go round once, right? I love her, but it has been a LOT of stress. I finally got the hospice people to start coming out to work with her, her memory, etc....though she gets around very very well.....it is her memory and pride that is to her detriment. You'd think that she would have more trust because I'm a CNA for the elderly, but it's probably that very thing that makes her buck me more so, lol. She looks at me as her child who is now into role reversal, and this is THE hardest part of all. If you are someone's child or mother, the flames go higher, as you are standing way too close to the fire. Haha, wonder what I'M going to be like when I get there. The daughter-mother relationship is both bitter and sweet when you are very much alike. (((Sigh))) We never want to think that we are like our mothers, when we are younger, but low and behold, hate to say, we are.

Re: Does he totally contradict himself?

Well, since I don't have a functioning thyroid, I guess I'll stick to T3 and T4 .Yes, I understand all those things mentioned below which is why I'm taking Effexor; again didn't know it could be thyroid related. My mother was driving me nuts. I have put several life circumstances together that I never understood before.I'll never be able to thank you enough.Peggy

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Oh God, I WANT a sound machine. I sleep well most days (night worker), but that would be shear heaven for me.

Re: Does he totally contradict himself?

I shared my nightmare this morning.. that era of my past... now I want to share the good stuff now...

I got a sound machine, geeze.. a couple of months now maybe? It was one of the 'gifts' offered through a survey site.. you buy the gifts with points...

It's magic for me.. whatever it does to the brain.. I can't explain it... there are two sounds that are working for me... the crickets one and ocean waves...

It just konks me right out most nights.. and if I wake for a potty run or something I just lay down, close my eyes and I'm back in lala land.. There are still nights when I'm wired over something that in on my mind.. occasionally that's a normal thing.. but most nights now I sleep really really well.. just a combo of things... my adrenals are happy... I have the hormone timing stuff figured out for my body.. and a snack a bit before bed time... all pulls together to make nights no longer waking nightmares....

*big smile*

Don't worry.. thanks will come as you help others figure out how to be alive again... your time will come...

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The black one at the top of this page is the one that I got...

http://www.homedics.com/prod/detail.aspx?ID=36

There is a store locator link on the page.. I see they carry them at Target.. so no waiting for mail order...

A feature on this model that I have is it has a headphone jack... on noisier nights I can use ear pods and go to sleep with stereo ocean waves.. add a fan and it's like being there!

Took me forever to earn points to buy one.. it's depressing to see how cheap they are!! hehehe

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Oh God, I WANT a sound machine. I sleep well most days (night worker), but that would be shear heaven for me.

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there is a timed released T3, my dr x'ed it for me, but it is

compounded by a pharmacy, i am at work and the info is at home.

i took it for awhile....

renee

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