Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 SO what's going on with Bastrop County.? I heard AMR is coming in and Guardian is no longer there. Re: tacky photo of ff funeral procession Now that is offensive!!!!!!!! lol > > It's an " EMS thing " , Mike. Firefighters like us wouldn't understnd it. > > Phil Reynolds Jr. > 115 Harold Dr. > Burnet, TX., 78611 > HP > CP > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Hatfield <hatfield@... <hatfield%40neopolis.net>> > > I am a little confused here.... > > How did we go from.... " I think this is tacky... " to " offended by history " ? > > Never mind, I probably don't even want to know..... > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 In a message dated 8/14/2007 4:51:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: Then again, this is the county whose sheriff resigned for corruption charges and still has an indicted commissioner on the commissioner's court. Wes, is it really fair to compare EMS to politics? I mean come on even the bad EMS apples have some scruples. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) (Home Phone) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Have not heard...but if they did give it to AMR that's MUCH better than Guardian having. I'm sure that AMR would honor the contract better anyway. Wayne mjherico@... wrote: SO what's going on with Bastrop County.? I heard AMR is coming in and Guardian is no longer there. Re: tacky photo of ff funeral procession Now that is offensive!!!!!!!! lol > > It's an " EMS thing " , Mike. Firefighters like us wouldn't understnd it. > > Phil Reynolds Jr. > 115 Harold Dr. > Burnet, TX., 78611 > HP > CP > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Hatfield <hatfield@... <hatfield%40neopolis.net>> > > I am a little confused here.... > > How did we go from.... " I think this is tacky... " to " offended by history " ? > > Never mind, I probably don't even want to know..... > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Last I've heard was that the county was evaluating the responses to the RFP. Supposedly, only Guardian and AMR submitted bids. Still, they refuse to fund EMS suitably -- which means the RFP process usually results in a choice between Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum. Then again, this is the county whose sheriff resigned for corruption charges and still has an indicted commissioner on the commissioner's court. -Wes Re: tacky photo of ff funeral procession Now that is offensive!!!!!!!! lol > > It's an " EMS thing " , Mike. Firefighters like us wouldn't understnd it. > > Phil Reynolds Jr. > 115 Harold Dr. > Burnet, TX., 78611 > HP > CP > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Hatfield <hatfield@... <hatfield%40neopolis.net>> > > I am a little confused here.... > > How did we go from.... " I think this is tacky... " to " offended by history " ? > > Never mind, I probably don't even want to know..... > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 To All on the List: After a heavy show of support for Guardian EMS by the citizens of the county, through petition signatures, phone calls to their city/county politician of choice and an apparently rousing show of support Monday morning at Commissioner's Court, the issue has been tabled until further notice for additional discussion. During the approximately 72 hours prior to the meeting, the citizens appeared to have voiced their opinions strongly in favor of Guardian EMS. From what I was told, a large number of Bastrop County citizens crowded into the court to speak in favor of Guardian EMS, with only two company representatives from AMR attending. During the weekend, on shift yesterday, and today off duty, people have been telling me to " keep up the good work " , " we're behind you " , don't let them wear you down " , and even " we love you guys " . I've only heard ONE negative comment so far, and that was from somebody I expected a negative comment from (you know who you are). The change of providers for Bastrop County is NOT a done deal, no matter WHAT you have heard around the water cooler. If you want to know what's going on, come to Commissioner's Court or ask someone who knows - that's what I did, since I was on duty in Elgin while the court was meeting. I've worked for all three of the most recent providers in Bastrop County: Rural/Metro, MetroCare and Guardian. Of the three, I am most happy with the way Guardian has treated my family and myself. My mother, who is a bed & wheelchair-confined invalid, is still fighting with collection agencies for a transport by a prior provider, which was improperly documented by the crew who transported her - when someone is LIFTED from bed, they didn't SELF-TRANSFER, at least not in my book. To Wayne: If Guardian EMS is failing to honor the Bastrop County contract in any way, I'd to see you information. You can e-mail it to me off list or contact me for my fax number. Barry E. McClung, EMT-P/FTO Guardian EMS - Bastrop County ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 So, Barry, lemme get this straight. ALL THESE PEOPLE just spontaneously showed up at the meeting to show support to Guardian? And, gee, some people just got together over coffee one morning and said, " Why don't we start a petition to keep Guardian, and lets call all our friends and tell them to call the Judge and Commissioners and tell them to keep them? " And they just went out and did it. Sorry, but your doggie hid under the porch and won't come out to hunt. Now, you know I've got NO QUARREL with you, Barry. I respect you greatly, always have, and I know you don't lie. But come on! Things like that don't happen spontaneously. Somebody was out beating the bushes for support for Guardian. Not that it's bad to do that. Bidness is bidness, and if I were Guardian, I would be using every tactic legally and ethically available to keep the business, but it stretches the imagination to think that a wellspring of support for Guardian just spontaneously happened. I doubt that Joe and Citizen have a single clue about what the differences between an AMR run service and a Guardian service. So this IS politics, ain't it? Gene G. Viewing the situation from his perch over the beautiful city of Tucson. > > To All on the List: > > After a heavy show of support for Guardian EMS by the citizens of the > county, through petition signatures, phone calls to their city/county politician of > choice and an apparently rousing show of support Monday morning at > Commissioner' After a heavy show of support for Guardian EMS by the citizens of the > county, through petition signatures, phone calls to their city/county > politician of choice and an apparently rousing show of support Monday morning at > Commissioner'<wbr>s Court, the issue has been tabled until further notice for > additional discussion. During the approximately 72 hours prior to the meeting, > the citizens appeared to have voiced their opinions strongly in favor of > Guardian EMS. From what I was told, a large number of Bastrop County citizens > crowded into the court to speak in favor of Guardian EMS, with only two company > representatives from AMR attending. During the weekend, on shift yesterday, and > today off duty, people have been tell > are). > > The change of providers for Bastrop County is NOT a done deal, no matter > WHAT you have heard around the water cooler. If you want to know what's going > on, come to Commissioner' The change of providers for Bastrop County is NOT a > done deal, no matter WHAT you have heard around the water > > I've worked for all three of the most recent providers in Bastrop County: > Rural/Metro, MetroCare and Guardian. Of the three, I am most happy with the way > Guardian has treated my family and myself. My mother, who is a bed & > wheelchair-confined invalid, is still fighting with collection agencies for a > transport by a prior provider, which was improperly documented by the crew who > transported her - when someone is LIFTED from bed, they didn't SELF-TRANSFER, at > least not in my book. > > To Wayne: > > If Guardian EMS is failing to honor the Bastrop County contract in any way, > I'd to see you information. You can e-mail it to me off list or contact me fo > r my fax number. > > Barry E. McClung, EMT-P/FTO > Guardian EMS - Bastrop County > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.http://seahttp://seahttp://sear & <wbr>p=gradua<wbr> & cs=cs > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I knew my favorite EMS lawyer (sorry Wes) would cross-examine me on this one. (wink) Actually Gene, you ARE correct. It wasn't spontaneous. The biggest push came from both hospitals, followed by our efforts, the efforts of the admin staff of all four nursing homes, the county first responder group, and a large number of the local physicians. The rest of the effort came from a number of families & patients we have served as care providers. Add to this the fact that AMR is a " big company from somewhere else, like that outfit before MetroCare " (Rural/Metro) -- this being said to me by a local rancher -- and people just got fired-up. So yes, there was some politics going on. Quite a few of the attitudes I'm hearing are along the lines of " why mess with a good thing? " or " it ain't broke, why try to fix it? " . Is it going to work in the long run? I have no idea. What I do know is that the majority of our employees are planning on staying with Guardian should we lose the contract. Barry E. McClung, EMT-P ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 you state that many people want to stay with Guardian if the contract goes under. I have one question. Where do they plan on putting that many people? --- Barry McClung wrote: > I knew my favorite EMS lawyer (sorry Wes) would > cross-examine me on this one. (wink) > > Actually Gene, you ARE correct. It wasn't > spontaneous. The biggest push came from both > hospitals, followed by our efforts, the efforts of > the admin staff of all four nursing homes, the > county first responder group, and a large number of > the local physicians. The rest of the effort came > from a number of families & patients we have served > as care providers. > > Add to this the fact that AMR is a " big company from > somewhere else, like that outfit before MetroCare " > (Rural/Metro) -- this being said to me by a local > rancher -- and people just got fired-up. So yes, > there was some politics going on. Quite a few of > the attitudes I'm hearing are along the lines of > " why mess with a good thing? " or " it ain't broke, > why try to fix it? " . > > Is it going to work in the long run? I have no > idea. What I do know is that the majority of our > employees are planning on staying with Guardian > should we lose the contract. > > Barry E. McClung, EMT-P > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here > and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 No offense, but this sure sounds like astroturf lobbying, not a real grassroots effort... Unlike genuine grassroots activism which tends to be money-poor but people-rich, astroturf campaigns are typically people-poor but cash-rich. Funded heavily by corporate largesse, they use sophisticated computer databases, telephone banks and hired organizers to rope less-informed activists into sending letters to their elected officials or engaging in other actions that create the appearance of grassroots support for their client's cause. (as described at http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Astroturf) -Wes Re: Bastrop county I knew my favorite EMS lawyer (sorry Wes) would cross-examine me on this one. (wink) Actually Gene, you ARE correct. It wasn't spontaneous. The biggest push came from both hospitals, followed by our efforts, the efforts of the admin staff of all four nursing homes, the county first responder group, and a large number of the local physicians. The rest of the effort came from a number of families & patients we have served as care providers. Add to this the fact that AMR is a " big company from somewhere else, like that outfit before MetroCare " (Rural/Metro) -- this being said to me by a local rancher -- and people just got fired-up. So yes, there was some politics going on. Quite a few of the attitudes I'm hearing are along the lines of " why mess with a good thing? " or " it ain't broke, why try to fix it? " . Is it going to work in the long run? I have no idea. What I do know is that the majority of our employees are planning on staying with Guardian should we lose the contract. Barry E. McClung, EMT-P __________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I'm probably not at liberty to reveal that, but you can contact the higher-ups to find out. I could tell you, but they need to break-in the rack and iron maiden they recently installed, and I have a deep aversion to torture <grin>. Seriously though, the crews in Bastrop County have NO WORRIES, should we lose the contract. In the event of a change, I myself will either stay with Guardian or go into a seedier profession, like that of a bartender, repo-man or a lawyer <wink>. Barry Re: Bastrop county you state that many people want to stay with Guardian if the contract goes under. I have one question. Where do they plan on putting that many people? ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Wes, The recommendation to accept the AMR bid was kept very close to the vest, and was only revealed (leaked?) on Friday morning, so even if there WAS a plan to employ " astroturf activism " , there wasn't a chance to implement it. Barry E. McClung, EMT-P Re: Bastrop county No offense, but this sure sounds like astroturf lobbying, not a real grassroots effort... ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I hear that there maybe several opening in the Mineral Wells/Weatherford area soon, once the TDH investigation is complete on some employeed there, who MAY HAVE cheated on paramedic clinical times. Some could be decertified. No, Barry this is not rumor, check the list messages, it was posted by a Guardian employee. Wayne matt deemer wrote: you state that many people want to stay with Guardian if the contract goes under. I have one question. Where do they plan on putting that many people? --- Barry McClung wrote: > I knew my favorite EMS lawyer (sorry Wes) would > cross-examine me on this one. (wink) > > Actually Gene, you ARE correct. It wasn't > spontaneous. The biggest push came from both > hospitals, followed by our efforts, the efforts of > the admin staff of all four nursing homes, the > county first responder group, and a large number of > the local physicians. The rest of the effort came > from a number of families & patients we have served > as care providers. > > Add to this the fact that AMR is a " big company from > somewhere else, like that outfit before MetroCare " > (Rural/Metro) -- this being said to me by a local > rancher -- and people just got fired-up. So yes, > there was some politics going on. Quite a few of > the attitudes I'm hearing are along the lines of > " why mess with a good thing? " or " it ain't broke, > why try to fix it? " . > > Is it going to work in the long run? I have no > idea. What I do know is that the majority of our > employees are planning on staying with Guardian > should we lose the contract. > > Barry E. McClung, EMT-P > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here > and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Well, that's a good testimonial for the company. Gene > > I knew my favorite EMS lawyer (sorry Wes) would cross-examine me on this > one. (wink) > > Actually Gene, you ARE correct. It wasn't spontaneous. The biggest push came > from both hospitals, followed by our efforts, the efforts of the admin staff > of all four nursing homes, the county first responder group, and a large > number of the local physicians. The rest of the effort came from a number of > families & patients we have served as care providers. > > Add to this the fact that AMR is a " big company from somewhere else, like > that outfit before MetroCare " (Rural/Metro) -- this being said to me by a local > rancher -- and people just got fired-up. So yes, there was some politics > going on. Quite a few of the attitudes I'm hearing are along the lines of " why > mess with a good thing? " or " it ain't broke, why try to fix it? " . > > Is it going to work in the long run? I have no idea. What I do know is that > the majority of our employees are planning on staying with Guardian should we > lose the contract. > > Barry E. McClung, EMT-P > > ____________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated > for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.http://gethttp://gehttp://get.gameshttp:// > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 If they cheated, they deserve whatever punishment they get. I know about the Weatherford incident. I just didn't realize they were employees of my company. As Shakespeare once said: " A pox upon them " . Cheating is NEVER an option in my playbook, nor has it ever been in yours. They will receive and suffer whatever DSHS has in store for them. And to add further clarification to my previous answer to Matt's question (and this comes directly from my boss): the " A " and " B " grade-quality employees will be used to fill the spaces vacated by " D " and " F " employees, if necessary. Barry E. McClung, EMT-P ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 From personal experience, they are not handling their contract very well in Jim Wells County either, but then again neither was their predecessor. Shades of Gold Star all over again. Wayne D wrote: Have not heard...but if they did give it to AMR that's MUCH better than Guardian having. I'm sure that AMR would honor the contract better anyway. Wayne mjherico@... wrote: SO what's going on with Bastrop County.? I heard AMR is coming in and Guardian is no longer there. Re: tacky photo of ff funeral procession Now that is offensive!!!!!!!! lol > > It's an " EMS thing " , Mike. Firefighters like us wouldn't understnd it. > > Phil Reynolds Jr. > 115 Harold Dr. > Burnet, TX., 78611 > HP > CP > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Hatfield <hatfield@... <hatfield%40neopolis.net>> > > I am a little confused here.... > > How did we go from.... " I think this is tacky... " to " offended by history " ? > > Never mind, I probably don't even want to know..... > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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