Are my progesterone levels low?

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I am trying to figure out if i have low progesterone levels since the docs aren't saying a thing. actually they say that my levels are fine. i am concerned because of the miscarriage i had in 2005 and haven't gotten pregnant since then. OR it could be that i am getting pregnant but losing it early on due to low progesterone levels?? I want to post some old numbers....my fertility doc that i am seeing now doesn't seem to think it is a problem so he isn't going to test me for it............ Blood: 3-25-05, 18.7, Day 20 of my cycle 12-13-06, 26.1, Day 21 of my cycle Saliva: sometime in 2006, 29, Day 9 of my cycle I may have one more result that is much more recent, will have to look for it...........

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Estradiol 13 range is 5-13

normal for follicular stage?

Progesterone 29 range is 20-100

normal for follicular stage?

Your Estradiol (Estrogen) is clear at the top of the range. The

Progesterone is clear at the bottom of the range. So I think you

could use some. Below is info from the HRT group.

Sami

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalAlternativesToHRT/

When a woman goes through menopause whether it be natural or

surgical, her estrogen drops 40-60% because we still produce it by way

of body fat, plus it is stored in the bowel and then gets recycled

back into the blood stream. Our progesterone, on the other hand, drops

to near zero and we no longer produce it anywhere else in our body

like we do the estrogen. We may still produce a very tiny amount by

way of the adrenal glands, but by the time we enter menopause, our

adrenals are so exhausted that they are no longer producing much

progesterone, if any at all.

When our estrogen level is higher than our progesterone level, we

start seeing a lot of ugly symptoms such as sudden weight gain, loss

of libido, loss of hair, loss of sleep, depression, moodiness, high

blood pressure, heart palpitations, restless leg syndrome, itchy

crawly skin, vaginal dryness, hot flashes, night sweats, bowel

problems, yeast infections, headaches, high cholesterol, insulin

resistance and the list goes on. Estrogen causes water retention and

weight gain. Also the more weight we have, the more estrogen we are

going to produce. It's a vicious cycle that never ends until we get

our progesterone level up and balanced with the estrogen.

There are some women who are fortunate and don't gain the extra

weight. These women may need to supplement with estrogen, but most of

the time, we have found that progesterone was all they needed. The

reason for this is because progesterone is a precursor to estrogen, so

if the estrogen level is too low, the progesterone will in most cases

go in and wake up the estrogen receptor sites and they start producing

estrogen again and gets the level up to where it needs to be.

Drs. make the mistake of putting women on more estrogen when their

level is already HIGHER than the progesterone. They'll either put them

on horse urine (Premarin) or estradiol which is the hormone

responsible for stimulating breast cancer cells. The key thing that we

want to do, is get our progesterone balanced with the estrogen, by

supplementing with a good natural progesterone cream in order to

bring back hormonal balance.

Once we supplement with a good natural progesterone cream and get our

progesterone level balanced with the estrogen, these symptoms start

going away.

>

> I am trying to figure out if i have low progesterone levels since

the docs aren't saying a thing. actually they say that my levels are

fine. i am concerned because of the miscarriage i had in 2005 and

haven't gotten pregnant since then. OR it could be that i am getting

pregnant but losing it early on due to low progesterone levels?? I

want to post some old numbers....my fertility doc that i am seeing now

doesn't seem to think it is a problem so he isn't going to test me for

it............

>

> Blood:

> 3-25-05, 18.7, Day 20 of my cycle

>

> 12-13-06, 26.1, Day 21 of my cycle

>

> Saliva:

> sometime in 2006, 29, Day 9 of my cycle

>

> I may have one more result that is much more recent, will have to

look for it...........

>

>

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Thanks Sami.. I was going to say that too... but didn't have the numbers

to back it up..... It was one of those things you 'know' but can't say

why it's so.....

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On Wed, 09 May 2007 18:35:16 -0000 " Sami " samkelly729@...>

writes:

> Estradiol 13 range is 5-13

> normal for follicular stage?

> Progesterone 29 range is 20-100

> normal for follicular stage?

>

>

> Your Estradiol (Estrogen) is clear at the top of the range. The

> Progesterone is clear at the bottom of the range. So I think you

> could use some. Below is info from the HRT group.

>

> Sami

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalAlternativesToHRT/

>

> When a woman goes through menopause whether it be natural or

> surgical, her estrogen drops 40-60% because we still produce it by

> way

> of body fat, plus it is stored in the bowel and then gets recycled

> back into the blood stream. Our progesterone, on the other hand,

> drops

> to near zero and we no longer produce it anywhere else in our body

> like we do the estrogen. We may still produce a very tiny amount by

> way of the adrenal glands, but by the time we enter menopause, our

> adrenals are so exhausted that they are no longer producing much

> progesterone, if any at all.

>

> When our estrogen level is higher than our progesterone level, we

> start seeing a lot of ugly symptoms such as sudden weight gain,

> loss

> of libido, loss of hair, loss of sleep, depression, moodiness, high

> blood pressure, heart palpitations, restless leg syndrome, itchy

> crawly skin, vaginal dryness, hot flashes, night sweats, bowel

> problems, yeast infections, headaches, high cholesterol, insulin

> resistance and the list goes on. Estrogen causes water retention

> and

> weight gain. Also the more weight we have, the more estrogen we are

> going to produce. It's a vicious cycle that never ends until we get

> our progesterone level up and balanced with the estrogen.

> There are some women who are fortunate and don't gain the extra

> weight. These women may need to supplement with estrogen, but most

> of

> the time, we have found that progesterone was all they needed. The

> reason for this is because progesterone is a precursor to estrogen,

> so

> if the estrogen level is too low, the progesterone will in most

> cases

> go in and wake up the estrogen receptor sites and they start

> producing

> estrogen again and gets the level up to where it needs to be.

>

> Drs. make the mistake of putting women on more estrogen when their

> level is already HIGHER than the progesterone. They'll either put

> them

> on horse urine (Premarin) or estradiol which is the hormone

> responsible for stimulating breast cancer cells. The key thing that

> we

> want to do, is get our progesterone balanced with the estrogen, by

> supplementing with a good natural progesterone cream in order to

> bring back hormonal balance.

>

> Once we supplement with a good natural progesterone cream and get

> our

> progesterone level balanced with the estrogen, these symptoms start

> going away.

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hmm, but does it depend where you are in your cycle as to whether you're low or not? also, where can i get natural progesterone? is it better to take prescription? i doubt my doc would rx it.................Sami wrote: Estradiol 13 range is 5-13 normal for follicular stage?Progesterone 29 range is 20-100 normal for follicular stage?Your Estradiol (Estrogen) is clear at the top of the range. TheProgesterone is clear at the

bottom of the range. So I think youcould use some. Below is info from the HRT group.Samihttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalAlternativesToHRT/ When a woman goes through menopause whether it be natural orsurgical, her estrogen drops 40-60% because we still produce it by wayof body fat, plus it is stored in the bowel and then gets recycledback into the blood stream. Our progesterone, on the other hand, dropsto near zero and we no longer produce it anywhere else in our bodylike we do the estrogen. We may still produce a very tiny amount byway of the adrenal glands, but by the time we enter menopause, ouradrenals are so exhausted that they are no longer producing muchprogesterone, if any at all.When our estrogen level is higher than our progesterone level, westart seeing a lot of ugly symptoms such as

sudden weight gain, lossof libido, loss of hair, loss of sleep, depression, moodiness, highblood pressure, heart palpitations, restless leg syndrome, itchycrawly skin, vaginal dryness, hot flashes, night sweats, bowelproblems, yeast infections, headaches, high cholesterol, insulinresistance and the list goes on. Estrogen causes water retention andweight gain. Also the more weight we have, the more estrogen we aregoing to produce. It's a vicious cycle that never ends until we getour progesterone level up and balanced with the estrogen.There are some women who are fortunate and don't gain the extraweight. These women may need to supplement with estrogen, but most ofthe time, we have found that progesterone was all they needed. Thereason for this is because progesterone is a precursor to estrogen, soif the estrogen level is too low, the progesterone will in most casesgo in and wake up the estrogen receptor sites and they

start producingestrogen again and gets the level up to where it needs to be.Drs. make the mistake of putting women on more estrogen when theirlevel is already HIGHER than the progesterone. They'll either put themon horse urine (Premarin) or estradiol which is the hormoneresponsible for stimulating breast cancer cells. The key thing that wewant to do, is get our progesterone balanced with the estrogen, bysupplementing with a good natural progesterone cream in order tobring back hormonal balance.Once we supplement with a good natural progesterone cream and get ourprogesterone level balanced with the estrogen, these symptoms startgoing away. >> I am trying to figure out if i have low progesterone levels sincethe docs aren't

saying a thing. actually they say that my levels arefine. i am concerned because of the miscarriage i had in 2005 andhaven't gotten pregnant since then. OR it could be that i am gettingpregnant but losing it early on due to low progesterone levels?? Iwant to post some old numbers....my fertility doc that i am seeing nowdoesn't seem to think it is a problem so he isn't going to test me forit............> > Blood:> 3-25-05, 18.7, Day 20 of my cycle> > 12-13-06, 26.1, Day 21 of my cycle> > Saliva:> sometime in 2006, 29, Day 9 of my cycle> > I may have one more result that is much more recent, will have tolook for it...........> > > ---------------------------------> It's here! Your new message!> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.>

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I don't know how 'natural' mine is... I get it from Puritan's Pride and it's worked well for me. It's OTC

I use it during the summer months mostly... helps me with tolerating the heat tremendously! I use it at about 1/2 the suggested strength... I'll be starting up again for the season after my next period.

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On Wed, 9 May 2007 12:27:59 -0700 (PDT) palma joshi writes:

hmm, but does it depend where you are in your cycle as to whether you're low or not?

also, where can i get natural progesterone? is it better to take prescription? i doubt my doc would rx it.................

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I would not know a progesterone lab range. Could you post the ranges, as in luteal phase, etc?

Are my progesterone levels low?

I am trying to figure out if i have low progesterone levels since the docs aren't saying a thing. actually they say that my levels are fine. i am concerned because of the miscarriage i had in 2005 and haven't gotten pregnant since then. OR it could be that i am getting pregnant but losing it early on due to low progesterone levels?? I want to post some old numbers....my fertility doc that i am seeing now doesn't seem to think it is a problem so he isn't going to test me for it............

Blood:

3-25-05, 18.7, Day 20 of my cycle

12-13-06, 26.1, Day 21 of my cycle

Saliva:

sometime in 2006, 29, Day 9 of my cycle

I may have one more result that is much more recent, will have to look for it...........

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I am trying to figure out if i have low progesterone levels since the

docs aren't saying a thing. actually they say that my levels are fine.

i am concerned because of the miscarriage i had in 2005 and haven't

gotten pregnant since then. OR it could be that i am getting pregnant

but losing it early on due to low progesterone levels?? >>>>>

I can't answer your question about your levels - but I can relate my

own experience. I didn't get pregnant for the first ten years of my

marriage (that I know of - like you said, the loss could be too early

to even notice). Then, I got pregnant several times, in the next ten

years, and lost them all due to low progesterone levels.

I was able to carry one pregnancy to term - thanks to progesterone

supplementation. My daughter is now almost 9 years old. Never got

pregnant again after I had her. She was born when I was almost 41.

Do you have a good reproductive endocrinologist? I can tell you, my RE

is the reason I got one pregnancy to go full-term.

in Okinawa

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All I did was copy and paste from the HRT group. LOL! The owner from

there joined here a long time ago and about that time I joined her

group. Since I'm in my forties, I figured I might need to know a

little some day. At least when my doc wanted me to take soy in

January to raise the estrogen for menopause. I could tell her no and

why. I have bought some progesterone from Walmart to use. But I'm

still not taking it serious since I'm not having hot flashes and what

symptoms I do have I figure are thyroid.

Sami

>

> Thanks Sami.. I was going to say that too... but didn't have the numbers

> to back it up..... It was one of those things you 'know' but can't say

> why it's so.....

>

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>

> I am trying to figure out if i have low progesterone levels since the

> docs aren't saying a thing. actually they say that my levels are fine.

> i am concerned because of the miscarriage i had in 2005 and haven't

> gotten pregnant since then. OR it could be that i am getting pregnant

> but losing it early on due to low progesterone levels?? >>>>>

You really need to join the HRT group and ask them about it. They

have had some babies born because of the progesterone creme. They can

tell you which is the best and how to use it.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalAlternativesToHRT/

I have been lurking there under another name for a couple of years now!

Sami

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I was a member there for a while too... I make the rounds every so often,

seeing what groups are around and visiting for a while.. Some I stay for

a few months, others only a couple of weeks... just to see what's out

there.

My first jar of cream sat here for over a year before I finally broke

down and used it... the effect it had on me was pretty amazing, to me. I

had a horrid problem with excess sweating. This house is ALWAYS too hot

for me, so I just figured that was a huge part of it. But it was to the

point where just standing up and washing dishes had sweat running down my

back and dripping off my chin.. it was BAD. and exhausting. The body has

to process water and body fluid into the sweat that comes running off.

I started on a really low dose of the cream. I can't remember off the top

of my head how soon my body responded.. but it was a joy to not have

sweat running off anymore. I messed with it for a while and found that by

using it during the hotter summer months, when the outside air was too

hot to cool off this room and my bedroom, that using the cream helped my

body to better manage temperature in itself.

Not sure of all of the mechanics of it.. this is going to be my third

summer using it. I still plan on using only a 'half dose' since that had

been doing the trick for me..

Considering it's gonna be in the 80s again today, I'm wishing that I'd

started it after my last period.. oh well.. just have to be patient...

it's our middle name, isn't it?

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 06:31:53 -0000 " Sami " samkelly729@...>

writes:

> All I did was copy and paste from the HRT group. LOL! The owner

> from

> there joined here a long time ago and about that time I joined her

> group. Since I'm in my forties, I figured I might need to know a

> little some day. At least when my doc wanted me to take soy in

> January to raise the estrogen for menopause. I could tell her no

> and

> why. I have bought some progesterone from Walmart to use. But

> I'm still not taking it serious since I'm not having hot flashes and

> what symptoms I do have I figure are thyroid.

>

> Sami

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thanks sami, i'll give em a try...............Sami wrote: >> I am trying to figure out if i have low progesterone levels since the > docs aren't saying a thing. actually they say that my levels are fine. > i am concerned because of the miscarriage i had in 2005 and haven't > gotten pregnant since

then. OR it could be that i am getting pregnant > but losing it early on due to low progesterone levels?? >>>>>You really need to join the HRT group and ask them about it. Theyhave had some babies born because of the progesterone creme. They cantell you which is the best and how to use it. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalAlternativesToHRT/I have been lurking there under another name for a couple of years now!Sami

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well he is harvard educated and supposed to be good but hasn't bothered to check my progesterone levels. doesn't think that is a problem. wants to do clomid with IUI............ga_smb wrote: I am trying to figure out if i have low progesterone levels since the docs aren't saying a thing. actually they say that my levels are fine. i am concerned because of the miscarriage i had in 2005 and haven't gotten pregnant since then. OR it could be that i am getting pregnant but losing it early

on due to low progesterone levels?? >>>>>I can't answer your question about your levels - but I can relate my own experience. I didn't get pregnant for the first ten years of my marriage (that I know of - like you said, the loss could be too early to even notice). Then, I got pregnant several times, in the next ten years, and lost them all due to low progesterone levels. I was able to carry one pregnancy to term - thanks to progesterone supplementation. My daughter is now almost 9 years old. Never got pregnant again after I had her. She was born when I was almost 41.Do you have a good reproductive endocrinologist? I can tell you, my RE is the reason I got one pregnancy to go full-term. in Okinawa

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