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Well, it looks like we may head to California to visit my husband's

family. I do see that nearby there is a lab for healthcheck.usa. Am

thinking to utilize it and have ft3/ft4 drawn.

I asked a question, on another board regarding Graves/TPO.

Apparently, the majority of Graves patients have elevated TPO.

Anyway, there was mention of TGAB on the website and mention of

carcinoma. I don't like that.

On top of that, I was hopeful in taking Prevacid in an area: it

seemed I was dredging up less brown flecked " gunk " from my lungs but

yesterday and today, it came back with a vengeance.

I'm upset, been feeling bad for some time and the last visit, prior

to

recent labs...my Dr. suggested I may be hypochondriac. It is true, I

feared the worst, initially. When so many areas within the body seem

messed up...and you had a perfectly healthy life prior...it scares

you!

I feel like I am between a rock and a hard spot.

I could use a pint of Guinness about now.

~Kate

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Don't know if you're sitting or standing right now, probably sitting,

since you're at the computer... so I'm staring down at you.. straight in

the eye.....

Do I have your attention??

You are NOT a hypochondriac!!!

Okay.. that is out of the way.

I bet a bunch of you can relate to this.... You are sitting in a room.

You hear a clock ticking... is the ticking sound slower than, the same

as, or faster than your heart beat?

Does the clicking of the clock throw you off at all? Does it seem the

wrong speed? Clock ticking drives me nuts when my levels are off and the

rate of the tic is off in relation to the beat of my heart. Think about

it... how many of you have had that feeling and may, or may not, have

linked it to a common sound that you've heard since you were a baby?

Is that hypochondria?

Ever been with friends or family outside in the evening, or early

morning? Standing, or sitting, enjoying a drink, a snack, a meal, some

conversation? Everyone around you is relaxed and enjoying

themselves...... You're chilly and want to go inside...

Is that hypochondria?

There is a company picnic this weekend, something you have looked forward

to every year since you (or your spouse) started with the company, food

and prizes and visiting with friends and the most gorgeous park in your

city. Silly races and games for adults and kids. You've been talking

about it since the date for this year's picnic was announced last winter.

You've been determined that nothing is going to spoil this event for you.

It's Thursday, the picnic is Friday, your whole focus becomes how to get

out of going. You're soooo tired.

Is that hypochondria?

Any one of those things, even all of those things and any of a hundred

more just as trivial have hit all of us at one time or another, or will

in the future. We never talk of them cuz people are gonna think we're

nuts. So the things we do talk about are the things that we hope others

can relate to... Not sleeping well, or constipation, or aches and

pains... But they don't get it... They send you home. But things are

still 'wrong'. Over and over little things crop up that cause you to

react in some teeny tiny way that is not like YOU. It's just wrong. But

how do you get someone else to understand?

You run down the list of all those things that are off.... and try to

come up with other things on that list that others might be able to

understand.

How does it look to them? Like you're just coming up with dumb stuff to

suck up some pity.

Is that hypochondria?

No... It's that from their perspective it doesn't seem important. But

drat it all... it IS IMPORTANT.

So who's wrong? I think they are.

A splinter in a finger is no big deal. A whack from a porcupine is.

They focus on a splinter or two and ignore the fact that there are a

dozen more and together it IS a big deal....

HUMPH

*sliding soap box back into the corner, gingerly, using the left arm so

as to keep my gimpy arm safe*

Could you imagine what a doc would have said if I'd gone to see one with

this arm?

Maybe you shouldn't pick up laptops then you wouldn't have hurt yourself.

But but but, doctor, it's not that I was picking up the laptop that

bothers me, its the fact that I got hurt doing that, what is wrong that

caused me to be injured from doing something that other folks do all the

time?

Don't know.. just don't do it anymore. Here's a prescription for some

heavy duty pain killers, and a sling. Don't use the arm for 10 days.

Here's your bill for $500. Don't lift with that arm, if you hurt it

again, come back in and we'll see what

[expensive stuff I can dump on you the next time you dumb broad]

we can do for you.

[hmmm if I add this to the points I got for upping prescriptions during

the first quarter, will I have enough to get that Hawaii trip yet this

year?]

Okay, okay.... I'll put the soap box in the corner and leave it there..

and NO you can not padlock it to the post!

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On Mon, 07 May 2007 19:35:58 -0000 " Kate " p2sgirl@...> writes:

> Well, it looks like we may head to California to visit my husband's

> family. I do see that nearby there is a lab for healthcheck.usa. Am

> thinking to utilize it and have ft3/ft4 drawn.

>

> I asked a question, on another board regarding Graves/TPO.

> Apparently, the majority of Graves patients have elevated TPO.

> Anyway, there was mention of TGAB on the website and mention of

> carcinoma. I don't like that.

>

> On top of that, I was hopeful in taking Prevacid in an area: it

> seemed I was dredging up less brown flecked " gunk " from my lungs but

> yesterday and today, it came back with a vengeance.

>

> I'm upset, been feeling bad for some time and the last visit, prior to

> recent labs...my Dr. suggested I may be hypochondriac. It is true, I

> feared the worst, initially. When so many areas within the body seem

> messed up...and you had a perfectly healthy life prior...it scares

> you!

> I feel like I am between a rock and a hard spot.

>

> I could use a pint of Guinness about now.

>

> ~Kate

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I immediately began bawling in reading this. I'm glad that my boys

are napping, girls at school and their dad at work.

You've pointed out things: Any one of those things, even all of those

things and any of a hundred more just as trivial have hit all of us

at one time or another, or will in the future. We never talk of them

cuz people are gonna think we're nuts.

Your entire post, hits home. Your feet are firmly planted on the

ground and fortunately, you've been able to dig in. Why am I a coward

when it comes to this, I have to ask myself. Why am I afraid to stand

up. I do, after gaining strength but it's still weak...and when I

stand up...there is somebody there, whether it was my husband who's

very strong/critical or Dr. who seem interested in keeping me down.

As I mentioned earlier, I resolved that conflict with my husband but

no support.

This weak Kate, is not who I used to be...AT ALL. I can't seem to

strike a balance, pull myself together, push aside my fear and stand

up and truly speak-when it counts.

If my Dr. thinks I am a hypochondria...how can I truly tell him

everything that has been going on? I'm afraid to address those

seemingly " trivial " but consistent " pings. "

Again, your post...just really struck me. I thought I was odd but

apparently, I'm not alone.

I am a " sensitive " person but not as we think it. All my life, I have

felt the pangs but I cast them aside as I knew they'd subside. They

did. I know my body.

My Dr. as he was going into hypochondria...mentioned the brain-

chemical aspect. I interrupted him and asked, " But how do you measure

that? " He ignored it and carried on with his speech. He then said it

was probably always present in me. I then asked him, then why haven't

I acted like a hypochondriac in the past? He replied, " I don't know. "

Afterwards, I began to wonder...maybe he thinks I have a history of

it but beings that he doesn't have all my medical records, he

questions it?

My entire history shows few times of having gone to the Drs. Most all

of those times are due to some infection or prenatal visits. THATS IT!

August of 05 that changed. I finally grew tired and suspicious of

everything that was happening that just would not and to this day,

has not let up.

As for " sensitivies " , those things which we detect, that others

don't...and if you mention it, people look at you sideways. Not only

with my body but my environment.

I notice things, even small things and not because I am trying and

certainly not worried about it. Just notice things (I found my

grandpa was just the same, unfortunately didn't get to know him until

his late years).

Last year, as an example, driving down the logging roads looking for

deer: my mind was relaxed, saw the grass and something in my mind

paused, " That isn't quite right...the grass? " but carried on with my

other thoughts. Then I saw a few deer. Wait a minute, their coats

(the color). I saw a color shift, although apparently subtle. My

husband is an outdoorsman and hunter, he should be more aware of

these things. I pointed it out to him. He studied the coats. Hmmm. I

then told him, I think we are in for an early winter. Shortly

thereafter, I felt and smelt the weather. That little bite and a

smell of ice (if anyone can relate. lol) At that point, I knew we

were in for an early and hard winter.

I asked anyone if they noticed it and other things: " Nooo. Okay,

weird-o Kate. "

Sure enough, we had an earlier and harder than usual winter. My mom

remembered my questions and when it hit, she reminded me of

that. " You were right. " I think she remembered (and no, didn't poo-

poo me but said nothing during that time)because her dad was the

same. She grew up with a man who was also sensitive to his

environment (as it was, he was a well known guide & SAR and think his

instincts put him there). Yet...I am just a woman and a housewife to

boot (what do we know?)

I've thought, just because I sensed things other did not (visual or

otherwise)didn't make me wrong. Or anyone else who apparently

is " sensitive. " People need proof and proof doesn't always happen at

the time we might demand it. Yet, without it...we cast it aside. I

think Dr.s are notorious for this. If they can't see it and if those

tests aren't glaring...you must have a mental problem.

If they get that in their head, how are truly able to listen to you?

Trust is gone. Not just on their part but yours. What do you do,

where do you turn? I would have changed clinics long ago...if we had

another.

I just don't think I can stand to hear again, " what you are

feeling...isn't real. Never mind, also, what you and anybody else can

see (coughing up, screwed up menstrual cycles, the skin/hair/nails,

night sweats) too.

I don't know how to tackle this.

I think I could sit in your company and feel at home and that,

Topper, is a nice change of feeling. You strike me as " down home

folk. " Very real...and very refreshing.

There is much more I could say but think to put a cap on it.

Thank you , for being you and being honest. You helped put a

little wind back into my sails.

I plan on printing some things off and there are a few posts here

(this being one) that I would like to print (no names or web address)

to give to my Dr. should he care to read them in his off time.

Right now, I am in one real funk emotionally. THANK YOU for having

written and quickly. I VERY MUCH needed it.

~Kate

>

> Don't know if you're sitting or standing right now, probably

sitting,

> since you're at the computer... so I'm staring down at you..

straight in

> the eye.....

>

> Do I have your attention??

>

> You are NOT a hypochondriac!!!

>

> Okay.. that is out of the way.

>

> I bet a bunch of you can relate to this.... You are sitting in a

room.

> You hear a clock ticking... is the ticking sound slower than, the

same

> as, or faster than your heart beat?

>

> Does the clicking of the clock throw you off at all? Does it seem

the

> wrong speed? Clock ticking drives me nuts when my levels are off

and the

> rate of the tic is off in relation to the beat of my heart. Think

about

> it... how many of you have had that feeling and may, or may not,

have

> linked it to a common sound that you've heard since you were a baby?

>

> Is that hypochondria?

>

> Ever been with friends or family outside in the evening, or early

> morning? Standing, or sitting, enjoying a drink, a snack, a meal,

some

> conversation? Everyone around you is relaxed and enjoying

> themselves...... You're chilly and want to go inside...

>

> Is that hypochondria?

>

> There is a company picnic this weekend, something you have looked

forward

> to every year since you (or your spouse) started with the company,

food

> and prizes and visiting with friends and the most gorgeous park in

your

> city. Silly races and games for adults and kids. You've been talking

> about it since the date for this year's picnic was announced last

winter.

> You've been determined that nothing is going to spoil this event

for you.

> It's Thursday, the picnic is Friday, your whole focus becomes how

to get

> out of going. You're soooo tired.

>

> Is that hypochondria?

>

> Any one of those things, even all of those things and any of a

hundred

> more just as trivial have hit all of us at one time or another, or

will

> in the future. We never talk of them cuz people are gonna think

we're

> nuts. So the things we do talk about are the things that we hope

others

> can relate to... Not sleeping well, or constipation, or aches and

> pains... But they don't get it... They send you home. But things are

> still 'wrong'. Over and over little things crop up that cause you to

> react in some teeny tiny way that is not like YOU. It's just wrong.

But

> how do you get someone else to understand?

>

> You run down the list of all those things that are off.... and try

to

> come up with other things on that list that others might be able to

> understand.

>

> How does it look to them? Like you're just coming up with dumb

stuff to

> suck up some pity.

>

> Is that hypochondria?

>

> No... It's that from their perspective it doesn't seem important.

But

> drat it all... it IS IMPORTANT.

>

> So who's wrong? I think they are.

>

> A splinter in a finger is no big deal. A whack from a porcupine is.

>

> They focus on a splinter or two and ignore the fact that there are a

> dozen more and together it IS a big deal....

>

> HUMPH

>

> *sliding soap box back into the corner, gingerly, using the left

arm so

> as to keep my gimpy arm safe*

>

> Could you imagine what a doc would have said if I'd gone to see one

with

> this arm?

>

> Maybe you shouldn't pick up laptops then you wouldn't have hurt

yourself.

>

> But but but, doctor, it's not that I was picking up the laptop that

> bothers me, its the fact that I got hurt doing that, what is wrong

that

> caused me to be injured from doing something that other folks do

all the

> time?

>

> Don't know.. just don't do it anymore. Here's a prescription for

some

> heavy duty pain killers, and a sling. Don't use the arm for 10 days.

> Here's your bill for $500. Don't lift with that arm, if you hurt it

> again, come back in and we'll see what

>

> [expensive stuff I can dump on you the next time you dumb broad]

>

> we can do for you.

>

> [hmmm if I add this to the points I got for upping prescriptions

during

> the first quarter, will I have enough to get that Hawaii trip yet

this

> year?]

>

> Okay, okay.... I'll put the soap box in the corner and leave it

there..

> and NO you can not padlock it to the post!

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 07 May 2007 19:35:58 -0000 " Kate " writes:

> > Well, it looks like we may head to California to visit my

husband's

> > family. I do see that nearby there is a lab for healthcheck.usa.

Am

> > thinking to utilize it and have ft3/ft4 drawn.

> >

> > I asked a question, on another board regarding Graves/TPO.

> > Apparently, the majority of Graves patients have elevated TPO.

> > Anyway, there was mention of TGAB on the website and mention of

> > carcinoma. I don't like that.

> >

> > On top of that, I was hopeful in taking Prevacid in an area: it

> > seemed I was dredging up less brown flecked " gunk " from my lungs

but

> > yesterday and today, it came back with a vengeance.

> >

> > I'm upset, been feeling bad for some time and the last visit,

prior to

> > recent labs...my Dr. suggested I may be hypochondriac. It is

true, I

> > feared the worst, initially. When so many areas within the body

seem

> > messed up...and you had a perfectly healthy life prior...it

scares

> > you!

> > I feel like I am between a rock and a hard spot.

> >

> > I could use a pint of Guinness about now.

> >

> > ~Kate

>

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Kate, we deal with and realize this stuff in stages...

One of the first, most important stages is when it hits you that you

aren't wrong. When you begin to question how you are treated, why things

are 'off' and that it SUCKS that you keep getting blown off. My the doc,

husband, friends, boss, whoever.

From there, at least in me, you start to rally. It's like getting a 'mad'

building up inside of you and as it builds you get more and more ticked

off with being looked down on and trivialized.

I was in a really bad spot when my 'mad' sprouted. I had reached the

point where I stopped breathing a lot.. like some kind of waking sleep

apnea, it scared me... I mean it really scared me. I knew what I used to

be like, what I used to love to do, how I lived my life.. that wasn't a

dream. For ten years doctors told me that it was in my head, imagined

made up, nothing important, all my fault, just get off your fat butt and

exercise.

Hold it. Okay. I admit I'm not exactly in the same boat you guys are, my

thyroid thing is genetic, I'm hypo cuz they killed my gland with

radiation. But how come all these things happen to me AFTER they killed

it yet it has nothing to do with the thyroid, well, lack of thyroid (that

was their fault) it has to do with my stupidity, sloth, negligence and

that I got myself fat?

I guess what happened to me that day was that they'd already messed me up

so bad I was probably dying, and no one cared. So I couldn't do any worse

on my own, could I?

That was the whole thing behind me starting self treating. Long story

short... ten years of misery with docs and ending up on crutches cuz I

was the one that was dumb. Then losing job, home, car, insurance and

having NO meds. Then pretty much waiting to die and have it over with.

Start self treating and in just a few months, no crutches, few more

months no more chronic pain.. on a REALLY minuscule dose of natural

thyroid.. what did that say? It said that the dumb docs, through their

negligence in not listening to me were the cause of it all, NOT me.

Anyway.. stages... first you have to have it click in your brain that

it's not right, and that it's not being right has nothing to do with what

you did or are, doing... from there you get the hutzbah (courage, anger,

MAD) To stand up tall and say that it's ENOUGH!!!

It will come. That courage, that stand. It's started in you. It's started

in a lot of the people here, cuz if they didn't know deep down inside

that it wasn't right, why would they have been searching for a support

group, or found the ThyroPhoenix website and the link to come here??

You know what is feel is real, not in your head.

You know it's not the way it's supposed to be.

You now know that it's possible to make it a LOT better.

Go for it girl. All of you. Go for it!

Collect your information. Ask questions and get answers until it makes

sense inside of you, then stomp those feet and make them make it right,

if they can't fire their lazy ignorant selves and find someone that will

do the job they are being paid to do, make you healthy.

If you have to ask the same thing 10 ways to get 20 answers until it

makes sense you go ahead and do just that. No one here will tell you to

knock it off, no one will call you dumb, no one will call you lazy...

We'll just keep answering until someone finds the works to say that will

click in your brain and it will all make sense.. .that will be the

loading of your cannon... they, babe, you're ready for bear!

'nuff said!

*polishing the lenses on the spare fog lights in case anyone is having

trouble seeing though the brain fog*

Your story of observation of surroundings.. that hits home.. we've had

discussions here in the past about how we, as a group, seem to be more

empathetic than most normal folks.... I think that has a LOT to do with

our powers of observation and how we pick up on things... that story

didn't sound at all odd to me.

Didn't mean to make your cry.. but hope that nudge you a bit to the mad

and strong stage.. I think you're on your way.

*smile*

Topper ()

On Mon, 07 May 2007 22:38:53 -0000 " Kate " p2sgirl@...> writes:

> I immediately began bawling in reading this. I'm glad that my boys

> are napping, girls at school and their dad at work.

> You've pointed out things: Any one of those things, even all of

> those

> things and any of a hundred more just as trivial have hit all of us

> at one time or another, or will in the future. We never talk of them

> cuz people are gonna think we're nuts.

>

> Your entire post, hits home. Your feet are firmly planted on the

> ground and fortunately, you've been able to dig in. Why am I a

> coward

> when it comes to this, I have to ask myself. Why am I afraid to

> stand

> up. I do, after gaining strength but it's still weak...and when I

> stand up...there is somebody there, whether it was my husband who's

> very strong/critical or Dr. who seem interested in keeping me down.

> As I mentioned earlier, I resolved that conflict with my husband but

> no support.

>

> This weak Kate, is not who I used to be...AT ALL. I can't seem to

> strike a balance, pull myself together, push aside my fear and stand

> up and truly speak-when it counts.

> If my Dr. thinks I am a hypochondria...how can I truly tell him

> everything that has been going on? I'm afraid to address those

> seemingly " trivial " but consistent " pings. "

>

> Again, your post...just really struck me. I thought I was odd but

> apparently, I'm not alone.

>

> I am a " sensitive " person but not as we think it. All my life, I

> have

> felt the pangs but I cast them aside as I knew they'd subside. They

> did. I know my body.

>

> My Dr. as he was going into hypochondria...mentioned the brain-

> chemical aspect. I interrupted him and asked, " But how do you

> measure

> that? " He ignored it and carried on with his speech. He then said it

> was probably always present in me. I then asked him, then why

> haven't

> I acted like a hypochondriac in the past? He replied, " I don't know. "

>

> Afterwards, I began to wonder...maybe he thinks I have a history of

> it but beings that he doesn't have all my medical records, he

> questions it?

>

> My entire history shows few times of having gone to the Drs. Most

> all

> of those times are due to some infection or prenatal visits. THATS

> IT!

>

> August of 05 that changed. I finally grew tired and suspicious of

> everything that was happening that just would not and to this day,

> has not let up.

>

> As for " sensitivies " , those things which we detect, that others

> don't...and if you mention it, people look at you sideways. Not only

> with my body but my environment.

>

> I notice things, even small things and not because I am trying and

> certainly not worried about it. Just notice things (I found my

> grandpa was just the same, unfortunately didn't get to know him

> until his late years).

>

> Last year, as an example, driving down the logging roads looking for

> deer: my mind was relaxed, saw the grass and something in my mind

> paused, " That isn't quite right...the grass? " but carried on with my

> other thoughts. Then I saw a few deer. Wait a minute, their coats

> (the color). I saw a color shift, although apparently subtle. My

> husband is an outdoorsman and hunter, he should be more aware of

> these things. I pointed it out to him. He studied the coats. Hmmm. I

> then told him, I think we are in for an early winter. Shortly

> thereafter, I felt and smelt the weather. That little bite and a

> smell of ice (if anyone can relate. lol) At that point, I knew we

> were in for an early and hard winter.

>

> I asked anyone if they noticed it and other things: " Nooo. Okay,

> weird-o Kate. "

>

> Sure enough, we had an earlier and harder than usual winter. My mom

> remembered my questions and when it hit, she reminded me of

> that. " You were right. " I think she remembered (and no, didn't poo-

> poo me but said nothing during that time)because her dad was the

> same. She grew up with a man who was also sensitive to his

> environment (as it was, he was a well known guide & SAR and think

> his instincts put him there).

>

> I've thought, just because I sensed things other did not (visual or

> otherwise)didn't make me wrong. Or anyone else who apparently

> is " sensitive. " People need proof and proof doesn't always happen at

> the time we might demand it. Yet, without it...we cast it aside. I

> think Dr.s are notorious for this. If they can't see it and if those

> tests aren't glaring...you must have a mental problem.

> If they get that in their head, how are truly able to listen to you?

> Trust is gone. Not just on their part but yours. What do you do,

> where do you turn? I would have changed clinics long ago...if we had

> another.

>

> I just don't think I can stand to hear again, " what you are

> feeling...isn't real. Never mind, also, what you and anybody else

> can

> see (coughing up, screwed up menstrual cycles, the skin/hair/nails,

> night sweats) too.

>

> I don't know how to tackle this.

>

> I think I could sit in your company and feel at home and that,

> Topper, is a nice change of feeling. You strike me as " down home

> folk. " Very real...and very refreshing.

>

> There is much more I could say but think to put a cap on it.

>

> Thank you , for being you and being honest. You helped put a

> little wind back into my sails.

>

> I plan on printing some things off and there are a few posts here

> (this being one) that I would like to print (no names or web

> address)

> to give to my Dr. should he care to read them in his off time.

>

> Right now, I am in one real funk emotionally. THANK YOU for having

> written and quickly. I VERY MUCH needed it.

>

> ~Kate

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Everything you've said here is so true ! I once told my ex husband that I

could smell the rain and feel the air on my skin. He laughed at me and told

me I was rediculous. But since my first pregnancy my skin has been so

sensitive that I can't bear to feel anyone's breath on it.

Being afraid and feeling weak - both physically and mentally/spiritually -

is part of hypo. It's difficult to stand up for yourself and face the

ridicule of others. One always has a tendancy to think that perhaps it's us

that is wrong, and everyone else is right. That's hypo. But why should

anyone else know better than us what is going on in our bodies ? We live in

them, after all, and nobody else does. The best advice I was ever given was

to have the courage of my convictions, and I have always tried to live by

that. I will not let anyone deny my feelings and my symptoms. Just because

it isn't true for them doesn't mean it isn't true for me. And my attitude to

doctors is : just because you don't know what is wrong with me, doesn't mean

there isn't anything wrong with me. It's all too easy to blame the patient

and tell them they have a mental problem in order to hide their ignorance.

The last one that told me that got the fright of his life, and now knows

that aggression is also a symptom of hypo ! lol

Stick to your guns. You are the only one who knows how you really feel.

Don't let anyone ever tell you that you can't possibly feel what you feel.

All my life I've felt as if something was missing in me. The only way I

could describe it was that I felt like an engine trying to run without oil.

Obviously that went down like a lead balloon with doctors. lol They seem to

have very lateral thinking. But in the end I was right. There was something

missing. Thyroid hormone. Listen to your body and it will tell you what you

need.

All the best, Lili

>

>I immediately began bawling in reading this. I'm glad that my boys

>are napping, girls at school and their dad at work.

>

>You've pointed out things: Any one of those things, even all of those

>things and any of a hundred more just as trivial have hit all of us

>at one time or another, or will in the future. We never talk of them

>cuz people are gonna think we're nuts.

>

>Your entire post, hits home. Your feet are firmly planted on the

>ground and fortunately, you've been able to dig in. Why am I a coward

>when it comes to this, I have to ask myself. Why am I afraid to stand

>up. I do, after gaining strength but it's still weak...and when I

>stand up...there is somebody there, whether it was my husband who's

>very strong/critical or Dr. who seem interested in keeping me down.

>As I mentioned earlier, I resolved that conflict with my husband but

>no support.

>

>This weak Kate, is not who I used to be...AT ALL. I can't seem to

>strike a balance, pull myself together, push aside my fear and stand

>up and truly speak-when it counts.

>If my Dr. thinks I am a hypochondria...how can I truly tell him

>everything that has been going on? I'm afraid to address those

>seemingly " trivial " but consistent " pings. "

>

>Again, your post...just really struck me. I thought I was odd but

>apparently, I'm not alone.

>

>I am a " sensitive " person but not as we think it. All my life, I have

>felt the pangs but I cast them aside as I knew they'd subside. They

>did. I know my body.

>

>My Dr. as he was going into hypochondria...mentioned the brain-

>chemical aspect. I interrupted him and asked, " But how do you measure

>that? " He ignored it and carried on with his speech. He then said it

>was probably always present in me. I then asked him, then why haven't

>I acted like a hypochondriac in the past? He replied, " I don't know. "

>Afterwards, I began to wonder...maybe he thinks I have a history of

>it but beings that he doesn't have all my medical records, he

>questions it?

>

>My entire history shows few times of having gone to the Drs. Most all

>of those times are due to some infection or prenatal visits. THATS IT!

>

>August of 05 that changed. I finally grew tired and suspicious of

>everything that was happening that just would not and to this day,

>has not let up.

>

>As for " sensitivies " , those things which we detect, that others

>don't...and if you mention it, people look at you sideways. Not only

>with my body but my environment.

>

>I notice things, even small things and not because I am trying and

>certainly not worried about it. Just notice things (I found my

>grandpa was just the same, unfortunately didn't get to know him until

>his late years).

>

>Last year, as an example, driving down the logging roads looking for

>deer: my mind was relaxed, saw the grass and something in my mind

>paused, " That isn't quite right...the grass? " but carried on with my

>other thoughts. Then I saw a few deer. Wait a minute, their coats

>(the color). I saw a color shift, although apparently subtle. My

>husband is an outdoorsman and hunter, he should be more aware of

>these things. I pointed it out to him. He studied the coats. Hmmm. I

>then told him, I think we are in for an early winter. Shortly

>thereafter, I felt and smelt the weather. That little bite and a

>smell of ice (if anyone can relate. lol) At that point, I knew we

>were in for an early and hard winter.

>

>I asked anyone if they noticed it and other things: " Nooo. Okay,

>weird-o Kate. "

>

>Sure enough, we had an earlier and harder than usual winter. My mom

>remembered my questions and when it hit, she reminded me of

>that. " You were right. " I think she remembered (and no, didn't poo-

>poo me but said nothing during that time)because her dad was the

>same. She grew up with a man who was also sensitive to his

>environment (as it was, he was a well known guide & SAR and think his

>instincts put him there).

>

>I've thought, just because I sensed things other did not (visual or

>otherwise)didn't make me wrong. Or anyone else who apparently

>is " sensitive. " People need proof and proof doesn't always happen at

>the time we might demand it. Yet, without it...we cast it aside. I

>think Dr.s are notorious for this. If they can't see it and if those

>tests aren't glaring...you must have a mental problem.

>If they get that in their head, how are truly able to listen to you?

>Trust is gone. Not just on their part but yours. What do you do,

>where do you turn? I would have changed clinics long ago...if we had

>another.

>

>I just don't think I can stand to hear again, " what you are

>feeling...isn't real. Never mind, also, what you and anybody else can

>see (coughing up, screwed up menstrual cycles, the skin/hair/nails,

>night sweats) too.

>

>I don't know how to tackle this.

>

>I think I could sit in your company and feel at home and that,

>Topper, is a nice change of feeling. You strike me as " down home

>folk. " Very real...and very refreshing.

>

>There is much more I could say but think to put a cap on it.

>

>Thank you , for being you and being honest. You helped put a

>little wind back into my sails.

>

>I plan on printing some things off and there are a few posts here

>(this being one) that I would like to print (no names or web address)

>to give to my Dr. should he care to read them in his off time.

>

>Right now, I am in one real funk emotionally. THANK YOU for having

>written and quickly. I VERY MUCH needed it.

>

>~Kate

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Don't know if you're sitting or standing right now, probably

>sitting,

> > since you're at the computer... so I'm staring down at you..

>straight in

> > the eye.....

> >

> > Do I have your attention??

> >

> > You are NOT a hypochondriac!!!

> >

> > Okay.. that is out of the way.

> >

> > I bet a bunch of you can relate to this.... You are sitting in a

>room.

> > You hear a clock ticking... is the ticking sound slower than, the

>same

> > as, or faster than your heart beat?

> >

> > Does the clicking of the clock throw you off at all? Does it seem

>the

> > wrong speed? Clock ticking drives me nuts when my levels are off

>and the

> > rate of the tic is off in relation to the beat of my heart. Think

>about

> > it... how many of you have had that feeling and may, or may not,

>have

> > linked it to a common sound that you've heard since you were a baby?

> >

> > Is that hypochondria?

> >

> > Ever been with friends or family outside in the evening, or early

> > morning? Standing, or sitting, enjoying a drink, a snack, a meal,

>some

> > conversation? Everyone around you is relaxed and enjoying

> > themselves...... You're chilly and want to go inside...

> >

> > Is that hypochondria?

> >

> > There is a company picnic this weekend, something you have looked

>forward

> > to every year since you (or your spouse) started with the company,

>food

> > and prizes and visiting with friends and the most gorgeous park in

>your

> > city. Silly races and games for adults and kids. You've been talking

> > about it since the date for this year's picnic was announced last

>winter.

> > You've been determined that nothing is going to spoil this event

>for you.

> > It's Thursday, the picnic is Friday, your whole focus becomes how

>to get

> > out of going. You're soooo tired.

> >

> > Is that hypochondria?

> >

> > Any one of those things, even all of those things and any of a

>hundred

> > more just as trivial have hit all of us at one time or another, or

>will

> > in the future. We never talk of them cuz people are gonna think

>we're

> > nuts. So the things we do talk about are the things that we hope

>others

> > can relate to... Not sleeping well, or constipation, or aches and

> > pains... But they don't get it... They send you home. But things are

> > still 'wrong'. Over and over little things crop up that cause you to

> > react in some teeny tiny way that is not like YOU. It's just wrong.

>But

> > how do you get someone else to understand?

> >

> > You run down the list of all those things that are off.... and try

>to

> > come up with other things on that list that others might be able to

> > understand.

> >

> > How does it look to them? Like you're just coming up with dumb

>stuff to

> > suck up some pity.

> >

> > Is that hypochondria?

> >

> > No... It's that from their perspective it doesn't seem important.

>But

> > drat it all... it IS IMPORTANT.

> >

> > So who's wrong? I think they are.

> >

> > A splinter in a finger is no big deal. A whack from a porcupine is.

> >

> > They focus on a splinter or two and ignore the fact that there are a

> > dozen more and together it IS a big deal....

> >

> > HUMPH

> >

> > *sliding soap box back into the corner, gingerly, using the left

>arm so

> > as to keep my gimpy arm safe*

> >

> > Could you imagine what a doc would have said if I'd gone to see one

>with

> > this arm?

> >

> > Maybe you shouldn't pick up laptops then you wouldn't have hurt

>yourself.

> >

> > But but but, doctor, it's not that I was picking up the laptop that

> > bothers me, its the fact that I got hurt doing that, what is wrong

>that

> > caused me to be injured from doing something that other folks do

>all the

> > time?

> >

> > Don't know.. just don't do it anymore. Here's a prescription for

>some

> > heavy duty pain killers, and a sling. Don't use the arm for 10 days.

> > Here's your bill for $500. Don't lift with that arm, if you hurt it

> > again, come back in and we'll see what

> >

> > [expensive stuff I can dump on you the next time you dumb broad]

> >

> > we can do for you.

> >

> > [hmmm if I add this to the points I got for upping prescriptions

>during

> > the first quarter, will I have enough to get that Hawaii trip yet

>this

> > year?]

> >

> > Okay, okay.... I'll put the soap box in the corner and leave it

>there..

> > and NO you can not padlock it to the post!

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> > On Mon, 07 May 2007 19:35:58 -0000 " Kate " writes:

> > > Well, it looks like we may head to California to visit my

>husband's

> > > family. I do see that nearby there is a lab for healthcheck.usa.

>Am

> > > thinking to utilize it and have ft3/ft4 drawn.

> > >

> > > I asked a question, on another board regarding Graves/TPO.

> > > Apparently, the majority of Graves patients have elevated TPO.

> > > Anyway, there was mention of TGAB on the website and mention of

> > > carcinoma. I don't like that.

> > >

> > > On top of that, I was hopeful in taking Prevacid in an area: it

> > > seemed I was dredging up less brown flecked " gunk " from my lungs

>but

> > > yesterday and today, it came back with a vengeance.

> > >

> > > I'm upset, been feeling bad for some time and the last visit,

>prior to

> > > recent labs...my Dr. suggested I may be hypochondriac. It is

>true, I

> > > feared the worst, initially. When so many areas within the body

>seem

> > > messed up...and you had a perfectly healthy life prior...it

>scares

> > > you!

> > > I feel like I am between a rock and a hard spot.

> > >

> > > I could use a pint of Guinness about now.

> > >

> > > ~Kate

> >

>

>

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I can smell rain coming... I can tell its' coming when other people are

looking at me funny and staring at a fairly clear sky....

I've been known to get up and shut windows a few minutes before rain

drops start falling.

I LOVE the feeling of air on my skin.. I feel as though something is

missing if I'm in a still room. I'll pick up something to fan myself lots

of times just to have that stimulation... never really thought of that

before...

Oh.. I LOVE that... and engine running without oil!! that's a VERY good

description.

Reminds me of another line.. the little engine that does the 'I think I

can, I think I can'... that's how I feel sometimes.. my mind wants to do

stuff but my body can't....

Just one more clue that we're not lazy... a Lazy person doesn't want to

do anything... we do.. just can't when we are feeling crappy.

Topper ()

On Tue, 08 May 2007 10:27:48 +0200 " liliane wise " lililiz@...>

writes:

> Everything you've said here is so true ! I once told my ex husband

> that I

> could smell the rain and feel the air on my skin. He laughed at me

> and told

> me I was rediculous. But since my first pregnancy my skin has been

> so

> sensitive that I can't bear to feel anyone's breath on it.

>

> Being afraid and feeling weak - both physically and

> mentally/spiritually -

> is part of hypo. It's difficult to stand up for yourself and face

> the

> ridicule of others. One always has a tendancy to think that perhaps

> it's us

> that is wrong, and everyone else is right. That's hypo. But why

> should

> anyone else know better than us what is going on in our bodies ? We

> live in

> them, after all, and nobody else does. The best advice I was ever

> given was

> to have the courage of my convictions, and I have always tried to

> live by

> that. I will not let anyone deny my feelings and my symptoms. Just

> because

> it isn't true for them doesn't mean it isn't true for me. And my

> attitude to

> doctors is : just because you don't know what is wrong with me,

> doesn't mean

> there isn't anything wrong with me. It's all too easy to blame the

> patient

> and tell them they have a mental problem in order to hide their

> ignorance.

> The last one that told me that got the fright of his life, and now

> knows

> that aggression is also a symptom of hypo ! lol

>

> Stick to your guns. You are the only one who knows how you really

> feel.

> Don't let anyone ever tell you that you can't possibly feel what you

> feel.

> All my life I've felt as if something was missing in me. The only

> way I

> could describe it was that I felt like an engine trying to run

> without oil.

> Obviously that went down like a lead balloon with doctors. lol They

> seem to

> have very lateral thinking. But in the end I was right. There was

> something

> missing. Thyroid hormone. Listen to your body and it will tell you

> what you

> need.

>

> All the best, Lili

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Topper,

This is so very wrong. So many thoughts, so many new thoughts (about

everything) have come to my mind...that I have yet to sort out. I am

left having to re-evalute everything. There are times, I feel so

plowed-burried. Then this intense streak hit...a " wait a minute! " but

my timing is off. Abit manic, quite frankly.

I was talking to my husband last night. It was about temperature. He

has a low temp (out of curiosity, we checked his again last night, it

was 96.2) and I told him that mine changed to low(er) as of last last

year (noted anyway.)

I asked him that when his temperature raises to " normal " (98) does he

feel warm. He responded, yes. Me too. If 98 is " normal " ...I can't

tell anymore if I am running a temp, based on " normal. " If I am 98.7,

I could tell my Dr. that I feel like I am running a

temperature. " You're fine. You must be a hypochondriac. "

Because of this I just can't tell based on " normal. " With my UTI, the

nurse asked me, " Do you feel warm? " Yes I do but why mention it,

since I feel that way at normal too? I was running a 102 temp.

Anyway, I asked Bruce if we run lower temperature, does it mean we

have a fever when it's " normal. " He responded that he thought so but

I should ask my Dr. I said, " Right, Bruce. If I did that, he'd just

say I'm paying too much attention, I'm fine. " Bruce replied, " Noooo. "

Yes! He said, " Kate, you come home and complain about these things

but you're not telling your Dr. " That's the point. I've done this but

look where it took me. How to get mad, be heard and prove effective?

That's what I can not figure.

Does my Dr. not take me seriously because I don't throw a fit? I

worry that if I did, he might conclude more mental issues or cut me

off. I wouldn't care, if I could hop into my rig and drive out of

town to another Dr. I can't tell you how badly I want to move out of

this town and not just for this reason.

I have thought about self treatment but would like full tests and a

repeat. To see where I am truly at and a " trend " if any. If I know

that my thyroid is a problem and the Dr. will not treat, consider

this myself. I wouldn't want to make a mistake and go hyper (thinking

heart here). I have had " bouts " of hyper. I've had moments of nerves

but that isn't what I am talking about. I flip flop.

I wonder when I will finally get my act together, as you and others

have. I will be " regrouping " and printing things off...I have a Dr.

appointment this month. I think I need to borrow some of your spirit.

I wish I had you talking in my ear while at my appointment. ;-)

I tell you, I will never be the same and that isn't such a bad thing,

in a few ways.

I just hope that I can buck up. That used to come so easily to me in

the past. My esteem is shot and yes...that is pretty pathetic.

You are a credit...we need more people like you. Perhaps and

hopefully, I can " join you " one day.

Thank you...so very much.

~Kate

>

> Kate, we deal with and realize this stuff in stages...

>

> One of the first, most important stages is when it hits you that you

> aren't wrong. When you begin to question how you are treated, why

things

> are 'off' and that it SUCKS that you keep getting blown off. My the

doc,

> husband, friends, boss, whoever.

>

> From there, at least in me, you start to rally. It's like getting

a 'mad'

> building up inside of you and as it builds you get more and more

ticked

> off with being looked down on and trivialized.

>

> I was in a really bad spot when my 'mad' sprouted. I had reached the

> point where I stopped breathing a lot.. like some kind of waking

sleep

> apnea, it scared me... I mean it really scared me. I knew what I

used to

> be like, what I used to love to do, how I lived my life.. that

wasn't a

> dream. For ten years doctors told me that it was in my head,

imagined

> made up, nothing important, all my fault, just get off your fat

butt and

> exercise.

>

> Hold it. Okay. I admit I'm not exactly in the same boat you guys

are, my

> thyroid thing is genetic, I'm hypo cuz they killed my gland with

> radiation. But how come all these things happen to me AFTER they

killed

> it yet it has nothing to do with the thyroid, well, lack of thyroid

(that

> was their fault) it has to do with my stupidity, sloth, negligence

and

> that I got myself fat?

>

> I guess what happened to me that day was that they'd already messed

me up

> so bad I was probably dying, and no one cared. So I couldn't do any

worse

> on my own, could I?

>

> That was the whole thing behind me starting self treating. Long

story

> short... ten years of misery with docs and ending up on crutches

cuz I

> was the one that was dumb. Then losing job, home, car, insurance and

> having NO meds. Then pretty much waiting to die and have it over

with.

> Start self treating and in just a few months, no crutches, few more

> months no more chronic pain.. on a REALLY minuscule dose of natural

> thyroid.. what did that say? It said that the dumb docs, through

their

> negligence in not listening to me were the cause of it all, NOT me.

>

> Anyway.. stages... first you have to have it click in your brain

that

> it's not right, and that it's not being right has nothing to do

with what

> you did or are, doing... from there you get the hutzbah (courage,

anger,

> MAD) To stand up tall and say that it's ENOUGH!!!

>

> It will come. That courage, that stand. It's started in you. It's

started

> in a lot of the people here, cuz if they didn't know deep down

inside

> that it wasn't right, why would they have been searching for a

support

> group, or found the ThyroPhoenix website and the link to come here??

>

> You know what is feel is real, not in your head.

> You know it's not the way it's supposed to be.

> You now know that it's possible to make it a LOT better.

>

> Go for it girl. All of you. Go for it!

>

> Collect your information. Ask questions and get answers until it

makes

> sense inside of you, then stomp those feet and make them make it

right,

> if they can't fire their lazy ignorant selves and find someone that

will

> do the job they are being paid to do, make you healthy.

>

> If you have to ask the same thing 10 ways to get 20 answers until it

> makes sense you go ahead and do just that. No one here will tell

you to

> knock it off, no one will call you dumb, no one will call you

lazy...

> We'll just keep answering until someone finds the works to say that

will

> click in your brain and it will all make sense.. .that will be the

> loading of your cannon... they, babe, you're ready for bear!

>

> 'nuff said!

>

> *polishing the lenses on the spare fog lights in case anyone is

having

> trouble seeing though the brain fog*

>

> Your story of observation of surroundings.. that hits home.. we've

had

> discussions here in the past about how we, as a group, seem to be

more

> empathetic than most normal folks.... I think that has a LOT to do

with

> our powers of observation and how we pick up on things... that story

> didn't sound at all odd to me.

>

> Didn't mean to make your cry.. but hope that nudge you a bit to the

mad

> and strong stage.. I think you're on your way.

>

> *smile*

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 07 May 2007 22:38:53 -0000 " Kate " writes:

> > I immediately began bawling in reading this. I'm glad that my

boys

> > are napping, girls at school and their dad at work.

>

> > You've pointed out things: Any one of those things, even all of

> > those

> > things and any of a hundred more just as trivial have hit all of

us

> > at one time or another, or will in the future. We never talk of

them

> > cuz people are gonna think we're nuts.

> >

> > Your entire post, hits home. Your feet are firmly planted on the

> > ground and fortunately, you've been able to dig in. Why am I a

> > coward

> > when it comes to this, I have to ask myself. Why am I afraid to

> > stand

> > up. I do, after gaining strength but it's still weak...and when I

> > stand up...there is somebody there, whether it was my husband

who's

> > very strong/critical or Dr. who seem interested in keeping me

down.

> > As I mentioned earlier, I resolved that conflict with my husband

but

> > no support.

> >

> > This weak Kate, is not who I used to be...AT ALL. I can't seem to

> > strike a balance, pull myself together, push aside my fear and

stand

> > up and truly speak-when it counts.

> > If my Dr. thinks I am a hypochondria...how can I truly tell him

> > everything that has been going on? I'm afraid to address those

> > seemingly " trivial " but consistent " pings. "

> >

> > Again, your post...just really struck me. I thought I was odd but

> > apparently, I'm not alone.

> >

> > I am a " sensitive " person but not as we think it. All my life, I

> > have

> > felt the pangs but I cast them aside as I knew they'd subside.

They

> > did. I know my body.

> >

> > My Dr. as he was going into hypochondria...mentioned the brain-

> > chemical aspect. I interrupted him and asked, " But how do you

> > measure

> > that? " He ignored it and carried on with his speech. He then said

it

> > was probably always present in me. I then asked him, then why

> > haven't

> > I acted like a hypochondriac in the past? He replied, " I don't

know. "

> >

> > Afterwards, I began to wonder...maybe he thinks I have a history

of

> > it but beings that he doesn't have all my medical records, he

> > questions it?

> >

> > My entire history shows few times of having gone to the Drs. Most

> > all

> > of those times are due to some infection or prenatal visits.

THATS

> > IT!

> >

> > August of 05 that changed. I finally grew tired and suspicious of

> > everything that was happening that just would not and to this

day,

> > has not let up.

> >

> > As for " sensitivies " , those things which we detect, that others

> > don't...and if you mention it, people look at you sideways. Not

only

> > with my body but my environment.

> >

> > I notice things, even small things and not because I am trying

and

> > certainly not worried about it. Just notice things (I found my

> > grandpa was just the same, unfortunately didn't get to know him

> > until his late years).

> >

> > Last year, as an example, driving down the logging roads looking

for

> > deer: my mind was relaxed, saw the grass and something in my mind

> > paused, " That isn't quite right...the grass? " but carried on with

my

> > other thoughts. Then I saw a few deer. Wait a minute, their coats

> > (the color). I saw a color shift, although apparently subtle. My

> > husband is an outdoorsman and hunter, he should be more aware of

> > these things. I pointed it out to him. He studied the coats.

Hmmm. I

> > then told him, I think we are in for an early winter. Shortly

> > thereafter, I felt and smelt the weather. That little bite and a

> > smell of ice (if anyone can relate. lol) At that point, I knew we

> > were in for an early and hard winter.

> >

> > I asked anyone if they noticed it and other things: " Nooo. Okay,

> > weird-o Kate. "

> >

> > Sure enough, we had an earlier and harder than usual winter. My

mom

> > remembered my questions and when it hit, she reminded me of

> > that. " You were right. " I think she remembered (and no, didn't

poo-

> > poo me but said nothing during that time)because her dad was the

> > same. She grew up with a man who was also sensitive to his

> > environment (as it was, he was a well known guide & SAR and think

> > his instincts put him there).

> >

> > I've thought, just because I sensed things other did not (visual

or

> > otherwise)didn't make me wrong. Or anyone else who apparently

> > is " sensitive. " People need proof and proof doesn't always happen

at

> > the time we might demand it. Yet, without it...we cast it aside.

I

> > think Dr.s are notorious for this. If they can't see it and if

those

> > tests aren't glaring...you must have a mental problem.

> > If they get that in their head, how are truly able to listen to

you?

> > Trust is gone. Not just on their part but yours. What do you do,

> > where do you turn? I would have changed clinics long ago...if we

had

> > another.

> >

> > I just don't think I can stand to hear again, " what you are

> > feeling...isn't real. Never mind, also, what you and anybody else

> > can

> > see (coughing up, screwed up menstrual cycles, the

skin/hair/nails,

> > night sweats) too.

> >

> > I don't know how to tackle this.

> >

> > I think I could sit in your company and feel at home and that,

> > Topper, is a nice change of feeling. You strike me as " down home

> > folk. " Very real...and very refreshing.

> >

> > There is much more I could say but think to put a cap on it.

> >

> > Thank you , for being you and being honest. You helped put a

> > little wind back into my sails.

> >

> > I plan on printing some things off and there are a few posts here

> > (this being one) that I would like to print (no names or web

> > address)

> > to give to my Dr. should he care to read them in his off time.

> >

> > Right now, I am in one real funk emotionally. THANK YOU for

having

> > written and quickly. I VERY MUCH needed it.

> >

> > ~Kate

>

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Lili,

Well well! I wonder why some of us are more " sensitive " to our

environment? This is the only thing I can conclude and would like to

know what you (and others in the same " boat " ) think: while in my

past, I was an active person, I always took time out (beginning as a

youngster).

I needed it (still do), I suppose and enjoyed it (still do).

Thank goodness my parent's left me alone...as apposed to thinking

something was wrong. lol

I've wondered if people don't notice these things, if it's because

they are " too busy " ?

That and I think our minds are like computers, contain information

that isn't at the forefront but there. When something is askew, the

mind starts questioning?

Too, in certain circumstances...our bodies like barometers? These

last few years, we've owned a weather station. I simply have a habit

of checking it. In the past, while not a " headache " person, would get

them. I noted, after a period of time...that coincidently, I got them

when a quick pressure shift was occurring with the weather.

It's good to hear, that I am not alone in some of

these " sensitivities. " lol

About a week 1/2 ago, the weather was just beautiful: sunshine! A few

clouds but sparse. I was sitting on the deck, enjoyed the sunshine

but I felt a cold current. While it felt warm, I could feel a current

of very cold. Odd as this may sound, the feeling felt like a layer.

I got up, went inside and buttoned up the hatches. It began to hail.

Odd, yes...but I wasn't surprised. Hailing while the sun remained to

shine.

Years ago, I was out on another island (in Alaska) with my brother

and his then wife. I stood at the water-line of the bay, nervous. The

weather was crappy (grey cloud cover, raining) but I felt it-turning

worse. We thought it time to go but I was nervous. I told my brother

that I thought we should wait out, things were not right and we had

enough food to get us by. Nope, won't hear it. We got out there and

weather turned just fowl. The wind had picked up and before I knew

it, I was sitting on the floor boards of the open skiff. My hands

were holding onto the sides. Seeing waves taller than sideboards of

the skiff approaching...oh lord! It was bad and nobody in a small

craft had no business out in it!

I think only two things saved us: God and my brothers acute sense of

timing. My brother had been in his own boat since the age of 4.

Had I been with the " average " boatsmen, I am sure we would have

capsized. The point is, somewhere, somehow...I gathered a sense of

pending weather. Are we nuts...obviously not.

That said and yes, knowing our bodies...is it possible to detect

upcoming problems? Despite bloodwork?

This is what bothers me. When it comes to weather or the environment

in general...can some people detect other things and if so, why

should it be concluded that they are " nuts. "

My Dr. while he may think I'm " inferior " ...I know, if he had

experience with me out in the wilds of Alaska or out on the

water...he wouldn't look at me as he does. I am not a basket case

or " sensitive " in a ridiculous way. I hate feeling that I can not be

trusted. I'm not known, in the end, to over or under estimate. That

said, my emotions have gone overboard.

All that you've said, symptoms of hypo. My God! That is me but it

shouldn't be me! It was not me. What I write, you are seeing sparks

of " old " me and some things, I've always thought...but just don't say.

To me, it seems crazy. What I have been reduced to and the

experiences, not only with this but with people, in regards to this.

I am left and I will say it, quite hurt. All of my life, despite

being " quiet and reserved " ...stood up. I've taken hard hits on

account of standing up (school was the primary ground, not just with

kids but officials)...but I stood! People came out of

the " woodwork " ... " I feel as you, Kate. Thank you. " It was for them, I

stood. My passions came from my thoughts, my feelings and knowing

that others, just like me, felt the same but were afraid. I endured

the ridicule but I stood and confidently so. That's not me

anymore...and that, gets me. I am rendered impotent. I don't mind

the strike to the ego (I could care less) but it's the failure to

resolve the issues, with me...and god knows how many others, who are

in the same boat as me in this town.

When my family ran into unfair conflicts with others and they

feared...it was me who stood up and took care of the matter. It was

me they came to. Yet, in my darkest hour...where are they? I think:

don't look over my shoulder at that empty field full of questions,

don't look at my Dr....look at me and trust what I tell you! You've

trusted me before, in judgment, why do you abandon me now?

Is this what people with thyroid conditions experience? Those once

strong and yes, " sensitive. " Once held in high esteem and now,

reduced to seemingly nothing?

Ugh. I am sorry. I am not throwing this upon your shoulders. Your

post said a great deal. Thank you.

As I said in another post, I am trying to sort things out. There are

big highlights/memories that come to the fore. With all my emotions

behind them...I must apologize. There are times that I feel like I am

going to pop my top. Writing helps. Yet, I am sorry.

I do find hope, in that if this can be figured out...I may become

closer to the me I once was.

In writing the original post, I hit the very bottom. Once again.

I am sorry because I truly do know that each and every one of us has

their battles, some worse then others. It's enough to have our own

but to get out there and help others suffering those too...you are a

genuine blessing. If it were not for people like you...I think we'd

be reading, more frequently than we do, sad endings.

I'm sorry but with that, I thank you greatly.

~Kate

> > >

> > > Don't know if you're sitting or standing right now, probably

> >sitting,

> > > since you're at the computer... so I'm staring down at you..

> >straight in

> > > the eye.....

> > >

> > > Do I have your attention??

> > >

> > > You are NOT a hypochondriac!!!

> > >

> > > Okay.. that is out of the way.

> > >

> > > I bet a bunch of you can relate to this.... You are sitting in a

> >room.

> > > You hear a clock ticking... is the ticking sound slower than,

the

> >same

> > > as, or faster than your heart beat?

> > >

> > > Does the clicking of the clock throw you off at all? Does it

seem

> >the

> > > wrong speed? Clock ticking drives me nuts when my levels are off

> >and the

> > > rate of the tic is off in relation to the beat of my heart.

Think

> >about

> > > it... how many of you have had that feeling and may, or may not,

> >have

> > > linked it to a common sound that you've heard since you were a

baby?

> > >

> > > Is that hypochondria?

> > >

> > > Ever been with friends or family outside in the evening, or

early

> > > morning? Standing, or sitting, enjoying a drink, a snack, a

meal,

> >some

> > > conversation? Everyone around you is relaxed and enjoying

> > > themselves...... You're chilly and want to go inside...

> > >

> > > Is that hypochondria?

> > >

> > > There is a company picnic this weekend, something you have

looked

> >forward

> > > to every year since you (or your spouse) started with the

company,

> >food

> > > and prizes and visiting with friends and the most gorgeous park

in

> >your

> > > city. Silly races and games for adults and kids. You've been

talking

> > > about it since the date for this year's picnic was announced

last

> >winter.

> > > You've been determined that nothing is going to spoil this event

> >for you.

> > > It's Thursday, the picnic is Friday, your whole focus becomes

how

> >to get

> > > out of going. You're soooo tired.

> > >

> > > Is that hypochondria?

> > >

> > > Any one of those things, even all of those things and any of a

> >hundred

> > > more just as trivial have hit all of us at one time or another,

or

> >will

> > > in the future. We never talk of them cuz people are gonna think

> >we're

> > > nuts. So the things we do talk about are the things that we hope

> >others

> > > can relate to... Not sleeping well, or constipation, or aches

and

> > > pains... But they don't get it... They send you home. But

things are

> > > still 'wrong'. Over and over little things crop up that cause

you to

> > > react in some teeny tiny way that is not like YOU. It's just

wrong.

> >But

> > > how do you get someone else to understand?

> > >

> > > You run down the list of all those things that are off.... and

try

> >to

> > > come up with other things on that list that others might be

able to

> > > understand.

> > >

> > > How does it look to them? Like you're just coming up with dumb

> >stuff to

> > > suck up some pity.

> > >

> > > Is that hypochondria?

> > >

> > > No... It's that from their perspective it doesn't seem

important.

> >But

> > > drat it all... it IS IMPORTANT.

> > >

> > > So who's wrong? I think they are.

> > >

> > > A splinter in a finger is no big deal. A whack from a porcupine

is.

> > >

> > > They focus on a splinter or two and ignore the fact that there

are a

> > > dozen more and together it IS a big deal....

> > >

> > > HUMPH

> > >

> > > *sliding soap box back into the corner, gingerly, using the left

> >arm so

> > > as to keep my gimpy arm safe*

> > >

> > > Could you imagine what a doc would have said if I'd gone to see

one

> >with

> > > this arm?

> > >

> > > Maybe you shouldn't pick up laptops then you wouldn't have hurt

> >yourself.

> > >

> > > But but but, doctor, it's not that I was picking up the laptop

that

> > > bothers me, its the fact that I got hurt doing that, what is

wrong

> >that

> > > caused me to be injured from doing something that other folks do

> >all the

> > > time?

> > >

> > > Don't know.. just don't do it anymore. Here's a prescription for

> >some

> > > heavy duty pain killers, and a sling. Don't use the arm for 10

days.

> > > Here's your bill for $500. Don't lift with that arm, if you

hurt it

> > > again, come back in and we'll see what

> > >

> > > [expensive stuff I can dump on you the next time you dumb broad]

> > >

> > > we can do for you.

> > >

> > > [hmmm if I add this to the points I got for upping prescriptions

> >during

> > > the first quarter, will I have enough to get that Hawaii trip

yet

> >this

> > > year?]

> > >

> > > Okay, okay.... I'll put the soap box in the corner and leave it

> >there..

> > > and NO you can not padlock it to the post!

> > >

> > > Topper ()

> > >

> > > On Mon, 07 May 2007 19:35:58 -0000 " Kate " writes:

> > > > Well, it looks like we may head to California to visit my

> >husband's

> > > > family. I do see that nearby there is a lab for

healthcheck.usa.

> >Am

> > > > thinking to utilize it and have ft3/ft4 drawn.

> > > >

> > > > I asked a question, on another board regarding Graves/TPO.

> > > > Apparently, the majority of Graves patients have elevated TPO.

> > > > Anyway, there was mention of TGAB on the website and mention

of

> > > > carcinoma. I don't like that.

> > > >

> > > > On top of that, I was hopeful in taking Prevacid in an area:

it

> > > > seemed I was dredging up less brown flecked " gunk " from my

lungs

> >but

> > > > yesterday and today, it came back with a vengeance.

> > > >

> > > > I'm upset, been feeling bad for some time and the last visit,

> >prior to

> > > > recent labs...my Dr. suggested I may be hypochondriac. It is

> >true, I

> > > > feared the worst, initially. When so many areas within the

body

> >seem

> > > > messed up...and you had a perfectly healthy life prior...it

> >scares

> > > > you!

> > > > I feel like I am between a rock and a hard spot.

> > > >

> > > > I could use a pint of Guinness about now.

> > > >

> > > > ~Kate

> > >

> >

> >

>

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