Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I am looking online at some different FD's. Under the requirements, many depts. list certified/certifiable by the TCFP. Exactly what do they mean by " certifiable " ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 It means you've finished academy and can apply to the TCFP for your cert. Certified means you either have your individual cert or are employed and that FD is carrying your cert. Red certifiable? I am looking online at some different FD's. Under the requirements, many depts. list certified/certifiable by the TCFP. Exactly what do they mean by " certifiable " ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 In a message dated 8/7/2007 7:59:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: It means that you have the mentality enabling you to run into the burning building.. There is much wisdom in that statement! Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) (Home Phone) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 In a message dated 8/7/2007 8:47:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, raaems605@... writes: I am sorry but I must speak up. Five hours ago I attended a funeral of one of the two firefighters who perished while fighting a house fire 4 days ago. Yesterday I attend the funeral for the other firefighter who died. I think that the comment concerning firefighter's mentality is poorly timed and unnecessary. I think the comment is insensitive as well. There are members of all three of the fire departments involved in fighting the house fire who are EMS certified and who, in all likelyhood, read this listserver. I do not think they would appreciate Mr. Hatfield's comments. I also do not think the family of either firefighter would appreciate the comment and would be hurt by what was said. with all due respect Mike's comment nor mine was no way meant to impugn the loss of the 2 men in Noonday or the 100+ that will likely die this year or died last year nor those that will die in the future. It was in both Mike and I's case a flippant remark made to a list serve on the Internet. Nowhere was there inference to the events of Noonday and again Mike nor I in anyway meant to decrease the reality of that situation. Dare I say that I'm keenly aware of the loss of life in the Fire and EMS services as I work in every way I can to try and educate folks as to how to prevent such losses. It was a comment nothing more nothing less referred to as a joke in most circles and I think your response is more a response to the fact that you did attend that funeral and that's OK and appropriate but take it as it was meant something to make one smile. Nothing more nothing less. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) (Home Phone) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 In a message dated 8/7/2007 9:54:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, larn572001@... writes: " A smile is better than a thousand tears " - Dine' (Navajo) saying I like that. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Owner and President of LNM Emergency Services Consulting Services (LNMECS) Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) (Home Phone) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 It means that you have the mentality enabling you to run into the burning building.. certifiable? I am looking online at some different FD's. Under the requirements, many depts. list certified/certifiable by the TCFP. Exactly what do they mean by " certifiable " ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I am sorry but I must speak up. Five hours ago I attended a funeral of one of the two firefighters who perished while fighting a house fire 4 days ago. Yesterday I attend the funeral for the other firefighter who died. I think that the comment concerning firefighter's mentality is poorly timed and unnecessary. I think the comment is insensitive as well. There are members of all three of the fire departments involved in fighting the house fire who are EMS certified and who, in all likelyhood, read this listserver. I do not think they would appreciate Mr. Hatfield's comments. I also do not think the family of either firefighter would appreciate the comment and would be hurt by what was said. , LP Former Police Officer/Firefighter/Paramedic, DFW Airport DPS Former Firefighter and Chief, Flint-Gresham Volunteer Fire Department On Tue Aug 7 19:59 , ' Hatfield' sent: It means that you have the mentality enabling you to run into the > >burning building.. > > > > certifiable? > > > >I am looking online at some different FD's. Under the requirements, > >many depts. list certified/certifiable by the TCFP. Exactly what do > >they mean by " certifiable " ? > > > >Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 , Our thoughts and prayers are with the families, colleagues and friends of these two men who tragically lost their lives...as well as the paramedic that was killed in S. Padre yesterday, the 2 firefighters that died in CA and OH last week...and the nine that died in a single building last month...but in reality, works as a FF/Paramedic and I believe his comments were meant for humor...but in the same vein...they are spot on. Having done that line of work for a while and making a choice to go strictly EMS, I can tell you that?this? " mentality " is what is needed to be successful in the role of firefighter.? Firefighters brag about it, other people admire it, and many of us don't understand it.? Unfortunately it is a dangerous profession and people often die while doing it.? We honor them for their sacrifice, but we shouldn't lie to ourselves or strike out at others who are using this innocent comment to bring humor and a light into other's days. Now, should we accept all these deaths?? I was reading Fire Chief magazine last week regarding the ton Nine, and in a comment on the editor's page from an on-line reader was a very telling comment...which was " please tell me these men were not in there protecting stuff " .? In all honesty, as much as it pains me to see people killed in ambulance accidents...it continues to pain me to see good men and women die protecting STUFF in the fire service...it takes a certain mentality to run into a burning building...and there is a lot of talk in the fire service now about that mentality and what needs to change to stop the needless loss of life to the tune of one every THREE days. , it is a terrible time for you and hundreds of others in your area.? Please delete all this email list babble for the next 3 to 4 days...you don't need to see it or even think about it.???Give yourself and your colleagues time to grieve and work through all the emotions that are going on right now...then get back on the bike, get back on the list, and start finding ways to laugh again... God Bless, Dudley certifiable? > > > >I am looking online at some different FD's. Under the requirements, > >many depts. list certified/certifiable by the TCFP. Exactly what do > >they mean by " certifiable " ? > > > >Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 , Sorry for the loss that was suffered by those families and those departments. However, until you know my intent behind the comment, you should probably stop short of insinuating that I am insensitive to the death of a fellow firefighter. As a fellow FF, I am reminded constantly of the increase in LODD's across the nation, and we work hard at my department to train in the areas that will help us to not become another statistic. As our Union representative, I am the one who signs the letters of condolence that is sent. However, instead of deciding to chide me on a public list, perhaps we should be concentrating our efforts more on learning what NOT to do, what to change, and accepting responsibility for the mistakes that got made. Firefighters do have a certain mentality, like it or not. I don't work with any that would take offense to an occasional jab either, nor do I surround myself with those that are too serious to not find humor in life and death. I would be more than happy to continue this discussion off list, and I urge you to consider the same if further comment is necessary. Hatfield FF/EMT-P www.canyonlakefire-ems.org certifiable? > > > >I am looking online at some different FD's. Under the requirements, > >many depts. list certified/certifiable by the TCFP. Exactly what do > >they mean by " certifiable " ? > > > >Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 - I took 's comment to be Certified Hero rather than a certified idiot. Volunteering for service in Southest Asia in the early 70's was considered the latter by some, but at the time I thought it was the right thing to do. I thought it was smarter than running back kick-offs. Today its Iraq. In between and always, it has been and will always be firefighting and law enforcement that are the unsung heros. It takes a certain mentality to have the courage to do the job you do...and that's not a bad thing. Sorry you took it the other way. The situations you have been close to increase sensitivity and that's not a bad thing either. It's good to express your emotions, as you have. I recommend you now go see " I now pronounce you, Chuck and Larry, " and have a good laugh. I'd rather go the way they did than lying in a nursing home waiting endlessly for Medicare to approve my treatments. Keep up the good work! JP Osborn, Dallas, TX > > I am sorry but I must speak up. Five hours ago I attended a funeral of one of the > two firefighters who perished while fighting a house fire 4 days ago. Yesterday I > attend the funeral for the other firefighter who died. > > I think that the comment concerning firefighter's mentality is poorly timed and > unnecessary. I think the comment is insensitive as well. There are members of all > three of the fire departments involved in fighting the house fire who are EMS > certified and who, in all likelyhood, read this listserver. I do not think they > would appreciate Mr. Hatfield's comments. I also do not think the family of either > firefighter would appreciate the comment and would be hurt by what was said. > > , LP > Former Police Officer/Firefighter/Paramedic, DFW Airport DPS > Former Firefighter and Chief, Flint-Gresham Volunteer Fire Department > > > On Tue Aug 7 19:59 , ' Hatfield' hatfield@... sent: > > It means that you have the mentality enabling you to run into the > > > >burning building.. > > > > > > > > certifiable? > > > > > > > >I am looking online at some different FD's. Under the requirements, > > > >many depts. list certified/certifiable by the TCFP. Exactly what do > > > >they mean by " certifiable " ? > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 lnmolino@... wrote: " I think your response is more a response to the fact that you did attend that funeral and that's OK and appropriate but take it as it was meant something to make one smile. " " A smile is better than a thousand tears " - Dine' (Navajo) saying " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3 --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 Chief , All of us in the industry are deeply saddened and grieve for these fallen firefighters. Their intentions and actions were truly heroic. I know there is nothing that anyone can say or do to lesson the pain for you, their families, or their firefighter families, but know that all are in our thoughts and prayers. Danny Kistner Assistant Chief Garland Fire Dept ________________________________ From: texasems-l on behalf of Sent: Tue 8/7/2007 8:46 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: certifiable? I am sorry but I must speak up. Five hours ago I attended a funeral of one of the two firefighters who perished while fighting a house fire 4 days ago. Yesterday I attend the funeral for the other firefighter who died. I think that the comment concerning firefighter's mentality is poorly timed and unnecessary. I think the comment is insensitive as well. There are members of all three of the fire departments involved in fighting the house fire who are EMS certified and who, in all likelyhood, read this listserver. I do not think they would appreciate Mr. Hatfield's comments. I also do not think the family of either firefighter would appreciate the comment and would be hurt by what was said. , LP Former Police Officer/Firefighter/Paramedic, DFW Airport DPS Former Firefighter and Chief, Flint-Gresham Volunteer Fire Department On Tue Aug 7 19:59 , ' Hatfield' sent: It means that you have the mentality enabling you to run into the > >burning building.. > > > > certifiable? > > > >I am looking online at some different FD's. Under the requirements, > >many depts. list certified/certifiable by the TCFP. Exactly what do > >they mean by " certifiable " ? > > > >Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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