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Visit this news article and be sure to read through the comments at the end.

http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/37846494.html

1.? This agency is hurting, after a triple fatality accident on Christmas Day

and now a complaint from the public regarding their driving...I think we are all

one bad day away from being in a very similar situation.?

2.? How would your agency handle a similar issue??

3.? What proactive steps have you taken to prevent and respond to these type

complaints from the public??

4.? How often does your agency transport patients emergency?? What does the

science show is legitimate reasons for doing so?

5.? How does the numerous responses from EMS personnel in both Texas and

Oklahoma reflect upon us as a profession?? We have discussed on this list,

almost entirely made up of EMS people, about being professional on here because

of the possibility of non-EMS folks lurking...but those posts on the television

station website...WOW....

I read many news articles every day regarding EMS issues...the comments really

grabbed my attention on this one.

Dudley

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Wow, that isn't any good. I know we have all came across drivers who

don't move to the right, move to the left where your going, or don't

stop at all for you at an intersection. I was instructed to always be

on the defensive and to be aware of what is going on. After all, what

good are we if we cause harm to someone or ourselves while trying to

help someone. Now you have more than one incident and the original

incident is experiencing a delay in care.

The comments on that site boil down to a " he said, she said " situation

that will result in bad publicity for EMS (and it already has). I

think we should take this as a sign to check our own driving habits

the next time we respond.

-Nate

PS, why do people feel the need to put how long they have been a

medic? Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who

has been one for 15 years? That really annoyed me on those comments

int he article.

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Personal disclosure: I used to live where and work in EMS in Fannin County,

Honey Grove, and Bonham, and I have run emergencies on that highway

hundreds of times. Some things should be known. The highway is narrow and

full of

curves. It is very dangerous. A couple of years ago this same department

lost a paramedic in a headon collision on the same highway that was not his

fault. The ambulance he was riding in was on its side of the road, running

Code 3, and another vehicle crossed and hit it headon, resulting in a fire.

About how to handle crises such as the current one:

Unfortunately, dealing with the media can be frustrating. When caught off

guard and on camera, people can sometimes make comments that can be " cherry

picked " and make the person who said it look bad. Example, the chief's

statement about medics having the right to break the law. True, but that is

only

part of the law and taken out of context, it can convey a different meaning from

that intended.

That's why departments have public information officers who are trained in

how to deal with the press and get information out.

Every department should have someone trained in PR and that person, and that

person alone, should deal with the press. If the Chief has to make a

statement and be interviewed, it should be after thorough preparation with the

PR

person and NEVER on the spur of the moment. All in all, it is better that the

Chief not be the PIO. But if the Chief determines that he should talk to the

media, it should be on HIS terms, not theirs.

Information should be released, whenever possible, and to the greatest extent

possible, in written form. When questions are taken, one needs to think

carefully about the answers given. Every politician knows the traps that exist

when the media takes something out of context.

Resist the impulse to " shoot from the hip " with TV reporters. Figure out

what your position is, read that, and take a few questions, but do NOT engage in

a free-for-all with a TV reporter. You won't win with them any more than

you will win with a lawyer.

Be sure that your policies and procedures on driving are clear, reasonable,

within the law, and enforced. Be up front about what the policies are.

Resist making statements that can be viewed as inflammatory by disgruntled

members

of the public. NEVER attempt to justify. State facts, and facts only.

State what you want the public to know about your department, and do not get

drawn into spitting matches with either reporters or, through them, those who

criticize your department. Make every TV appearance a positive one for your

department.

Then shut up.

Whenever there is possible litigation or pending litigation, keep a closed

mouth. Advise your troops not to comment. Be keenly aware of problems when

there is a " whistleblower " and try to get to the bottom of the problem--not by

firing the whistleblower but by addressing the root causes and correcting

them. Anything said on the record, and with the press there is generally no

such

thing as " off the record " these days, can be used against you. Certainly

anything said on camera is on the record.

These are management 101 principles, but sometimes we need to revisit them.

Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P

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> Visit this news article and be sure to read through the comments at the end.

>

> http://www.kxii.http://wwhttp://wwwhttp://wwhttp

>

> 1.? This agency is hurting, after a triple fatality accident on Christmas

> Day and now a complaint from the public regarding their driving...I think we

> are all one bad day away from being in a very similar situation.?

>

> 2.? How would your agency handle a similar issue??

>

> 3.? What proactive steps have you taken to prevent and respond to these type

> complaints from the public??

>

> 4.? How often does your agency transport patients emergency?? What does the

> science show is legitimate reasons for doing so?

>

> 5.? How does the numerous responses from EMS personnel in both Texas and

> Oklahoma reflect upon us as a profession?? We have discussed on this list,

> almost entirely made up of EMS people, about being professional on here

because of

> the possibility of non-EMS folks lurking...but those posts on the television

> station website...WOW. 5.

>

> I read many news articles every day regarding EMS issues...the comments

> really grabbed my attention on this one.

>

> Dudley

>

>

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That's right. And if you haven't had an oral mouth opener, also known as a

mouth screw, on your ambulance you're a newbie, and if your first

monitor/defibrillator weighed less than 50 pounds, you're a newbie.

GG

>

> But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

> newbie not matter how many years. LOL

>

> Barry

>

> Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

>

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>

> Tobacco Prevention & Control

>

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>

>

>

> Barry.Sharp@...

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> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On

> Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Subject: Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

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Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring.

GG

>

> Barry,

>

> I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the

> local TDH office doing the testing.

>

> Bernie Stafford

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On

> Behalf Of Sharp, Barry

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

>

> But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

> newbie not matter how many years. LOL

>

> Barry

>

> Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

>

> Program Coordinator

>

> Tobacco Prevention & Control

>

> Texas Dept. of State Health Services

>

>

>

> Barry.Sharp@... <mailto:Barry.mailto:Barry.mailto:Bama>

>

> PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

>

> P.O. Box 149347

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> Mail Code 2018

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> Austin, Texas 78714-9347

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> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ]

> On

> Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> Subject: Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

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I still require my students to make the ankle hitch out of a cravat,

because the first thing lost from the traction splint kit is the ankle strap.

GG

>

> I remember testing on the half ring traction splint and using cravats

> (triangular bandages for you newbies) for the leg straps and one for the ankle

> hitch. You then used a wooden or metal dowel to tighten the splint and tied

it

> off once traction was established.Â

> Â

> Shaw was a resuscitator but it is not as old as the one I practiced

> on which was an E & J resuscitator/ J resusci J resuscitator/<wbr>aspirator/<

> wb

> Â

> I think I can still make that ankle hitch too!

> Â

> Ed Brando

> Regional Director

> ETMC/EMS

> A proud dinosaur, serving since August, 1969

>

>

>

> From: Bernie Stafford <staffdoc9109@staffdoc91sta>

> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 AM

>

> Barry,

>

> I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the

> local TDH office doing the testing.

>

> Bernie Stafford

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems- From: texasems-l@yaho

> Behalf Of Sharp, Barry

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

>

> But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

> newbie not matter how many years. LOL

>

> Barry

>

> Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

>

> Program Coordinator

>

> Tobacco Prevention & Control

>

> Texas Dept. of State Health Services

>

>

>

> Barry.Sharp@ dshs.state. tx.us <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40dshs. state.tx. us>

>

> PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

>

> P.O. Box 149347

>

> Mail Code 2018

>

> Austin, Texas 78714-9347

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com>

> [mailto:texasems- [mailto:texasems-<<mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com>

> ]

> On

> Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com>

> Subject: Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

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One thing I liked about taking an old (1978) ARC Advanced First Aid class

was the fact that they taught us only on expedient things like pillow splints

and such. When I took EMT-A in 1981 we had to learn and test on both the

Half Ring and the Hare, the short backboard with cravats and straps and the

KED and such.

It spawned critical thinking about what the damn splint was trying to do and

not reliance on how a piece of engineered equipment was to be applied. every

time we had an odd ball off the charts situation that critical thinking

ability got me out of a jam.

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I still require my students to make the ankle hitch out of a cravat,

because the first thing lost from the traction splint kit is the ankle strap.

GG

In a message dated 1/22/09 7:00:36 PM, emsbrando@... writes:

>

> I remember testing on the half ring traction splint and using cravats

> (triangular bandages for you newbies) for the leg straps and one for the

ankle

> hitch. You then used a wooden or metal dowel to tighten the splint and

tied it

> off once traction was established.

>

> Shaw was a resuscitator but it is not as old as the one I practiced

> on which was an E & J resuscitator/ J resusci J

resuscitator/<wbr>aspirator/<

> wb

>

> I think I can still make that ankle hitch too!

>

> Ed Brando

> Regional Director

> ETMC/EMS

> A proud dinosaur, serving since August, 1969

>

>

>

> From: Bernie Stafford <staffdoc9109@staffdoc91sta>

> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 AM

>

> Barry,

>

> I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the

> local TDH office doing the testing.

>

> Bernie Stafford

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems- From: texasems-l@yaho

> Behalf Of Sharp, Barry

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

>

> But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

> newbie not matter how many years. LOL

>

> Barry

>

> Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

>

> Program Coordinator

>

> Tobacco Prevention & Control

>

> Texas Dept. of State Health Services

>

>

>

> Barry.Sharp@ dshs.state. tx.us <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40dshs. state.tx. us>

>

> PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

>

> P.O. Box 149347

>

> Mail Code 2018

>

> Austin, Texas 78714-9347

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com>

> [mailto:texasems- [mailto:texasems-<<mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups.

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> On

> Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com>

> Subject: Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

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>>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

been one for 15 years? <<<

Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

times better than two year medics, and so on.

It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

Kenny Navarro

Dallas

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And I've always said the opposite: There are damned few medics with 20

years of experience, and way too many medics with one year of experience

repeated 20 times.

Kenny Navarro wrote:

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

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>

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Now that is something even I will agree with....LOL

Joby Berkley EMT-P

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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08:23 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

newbie not matter how many years. LOL

Barry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

Program Coordinator

Tobacco Prevention & Control

Texas Dept. of State Health Services

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Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: Man oh man

>>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

been one for 15 years? <<<

Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

times better than two year medics, and so on.

It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

Kenny Navarro

Dallas

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But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

newbie not matter how many years. LOL

Barry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

Program Coordinator

Tobacco Prevention & Control

Texas Dept. of State Health Services

Barry.Sharp@...

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Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Man oh man

>>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

been one for 15 years? <<<

Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

times better than two year medics, and so on.

It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

Kenny Navarro

Dallas

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What about the short board or the " Kansas Board " ... Or can they tell you

what a " Shaw " unit is....

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Now that is something even I will agree with....LOL

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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08:23 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

newbie not matter how many years. LOL

Barry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

Program Coordinator

Tobacco Prevention & Control

Texas Dept. of State Health Services

Barry.Sharp@ dshs.state. tx.us

PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

P.O. Box 149347

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____________ _________ _________ __

From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com]

On

Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: Man oh man

>>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

been one for 15 years? <<<

Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

times better than two year medics, and so on.

It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

Kenny Navarro

Dallas

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Barry,

I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the

local TDH office doing the testing.

Bernie Stafford

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Sharp, Barry

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

newbie not matter how many years. LOL

Barry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

Program Coordinator

Tobacco Prevention & Control

Texas Dept. of State Health Services

Barry.Sharp@... <mailto:Barry.Sharp%40dshs.state.tx.us>

PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

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Austin, Texas 78714-9347

________________________________

From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ]

On

Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: Man oh man

>>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

been one for 15 years? <<<

Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

times better than two year medics, and so on.

It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

Kenny Navarro

Dallas

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I remember testing on the half ring traction splint and using cravats

(triangular bandages for you newbies) for the leg straps and one for the ankle

hitch. You then used a wooden or metal dowel to tighten the splint and tied it

off once traction was established.

Shaw was a resuscitator but it is not as old as the one I practiced on

which was an E & J resuscitator/aspirator/suction.   Those were the days!!!!

I think I can still make that ankle hitch too!

Ed Brando

Regional Director

ETMC/EMS

A proud dinosaur, serving since August, 1969

Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

To: texasems-l

Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 AM

Barry,

I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the

local TDH office doing the testing.

Bernie Stafford

From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com] On

Behalf Of Sharp, Barry

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

newbie not matter how many years. LOL

Barry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

Program Coordinator

Tobacco Prevention & Control

Texas Dept. of State Health Services

Barry.Sharp@ dshs.state. tx.us <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40dshs. state.tx. us>

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Subject: Re: Man oh man

>>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

been one for 15 years? <<<

Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

times better than two year medics, and so on.

It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

Kenny Navarro

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I had forgotten about that screw! Tried it a few times and never had any luck

with it.

Maxine Pate

hire EMS

---- Original message ----

>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:47:23 EST

>From: wegandy1938@...

>Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man

>To: texasems-l

>

> That's right. And if you haven't had an oral mouth

> opener, also known as a

> mouth screw, on your ambulance you're a newbie, and

> if your first

> monitor/defibrillator weighed less than 50 pounds,

> you're a newbie.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 1/22/09 4:04:00 PM,

> barry.sharp@... writes:

>

> >

> > But if you can't remember testing out on a

> -half ring you are a

> > newbie not matter how many years. LOL

> >

> > Barry

> >

> > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

> >

> > Program Coordinator

> >

> > Tobacco Prevention & Control

> >

> > Texas Dept. of State Health Services

> >

> >

> >

> > Barry.Sharp@...

> >

> > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

> >

> > P.O. Box 149347

> >

> > Mail Code 2018

> >

> > Austin, Texas 78714-9347

> >

> > ____________ ________ ________ _

> >

> > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On

> > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

> > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> > Subject: Re: Man oh man

> >

> >

> >

> > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you

> better than one who has

> > been one for 15 years? <<<

> >

> > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the

> richter scale. Each

> > year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

> >

> > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten

> times better than

> > someone who has been a medic for one year.

> Three-year medics are ten

> > times better than two year medics, and so on.

> >

> > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere

> near the back.

> >

> > Kenny Navarro

> > Dallas

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

>

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Jimmy Dunn tested me on CPR…

Bernie

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of wegandy1938@...

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:49 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man

Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring.

GG

In a message dated 1/22/09 5:43:12 PM, staffdoc9109@...

<mailto:staffdoc9109%40sbcglobal.net> writes:

>

> Barry,

>

> I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the

> local TDH office doing the testing.

>

> Bernie Stafford

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On

> Behalf Of Sharp, Barry

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

>

> But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

> newbie not matter how many years. LOL

>

> Barry

>

> Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

>

> Program Coordinator

>

> Tobacco Prevention & Control

>

> Texas Dept. of State Health Services

>

>

>

> Barry.Sharp@... <mailto:Barry.Sharp%40Barry.SharpBarry>

<mailto:Barry.mailto:Barry.mailto:Bama>

>

> PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

>

> P.O. Box 149347

>

> Mail Code 2018

>

> Austin, Texas 78714-9347

>

> ____________ ________ ________ _

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ]

> On

> Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> Subject: Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

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Jimmy D. Is the Bomb!

LanieSt.Claire R.N NREMTP Children's Medical Center Emergency Services

Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

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I took my National Registry Skills Exam at Tulane in New Orleans was asked some

questions on use of the C-Collar (the orange foam collar), and long and short

backboards by Dr. Norman McSwain. I could hardly talk. They used doctors back

then since there weren't enough paramedics to do testing.

ed

Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

To: texasems-l

Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:14 AM

Jimmy Dunn tested me on CPR

Bernie

From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf

Of wegandy1938@ aol.com

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:49 PM

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man

Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring.

GG

In a message dated 1/22/09 5:43:12 PM, staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net

<mailto:staffdoc910 9%40sbcglobal. net> writes:

>

> Barry,

>

> I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the

> local TDH office doing the testing.

>

> Bernie Stafford

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m] On

> Behalf Of Sharp, Barry

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

>

> But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

> newbie not matter how many years. LOL

>

> Barry

>

> Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

>

> Program Coordinator

>

> Tobacco Prevention & Control

>

> Texas Dept. of State Health Services

>

>

>

> Barry.Sharp@ Barry.SharpBarry <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40Barry. SharpBarry>

<mailto:Barry. mailto:Barry. mailto:Bama>

>

> PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

>

> P.O. Box 149347

>

> Mail Code 2018

>

> Austin, Texas 78714-9347

>

> ____________ ________ ________ _

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai>

> [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> ]

> On

> Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai>

> Subject: Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

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Heck, son, when I first tested, the 'half ring' was a new fangled

device...we had to put the 'full ring' splint on...and tear the cravats from

bedsheets

with our teeth (unlike Gene, who had to weave them with his toes)...

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

In a message dated 1/22/2009 17:04:02 Central Standard Time,

barry.sharp@... writes:

But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

newbie not matter how many years. LOL

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The 'screw' was a relatively late invention...and some of the first

monitor/defib units I worked with were separate items, and didn't have

batteries...only 'shore power'...

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

In a message dated 1/22/2009 20:47:53 Central Standard Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

That's right. And if you haven't had an oral mouth opener, also known as a

mouth screw, on your ambulance you're a newbie, and if your first

monitor/defibrillatmonitor/defibrillat<WBR>or weighed less than 50 poun

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yep...and thought about using them again last night (LOL in marked resp

distress due to acute CHF)...12 cm of CPAP fixed her, fortunately, as she's got

a

'Do Not Intubate' order on her chart...

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

In a message dated 1/23/2009 06:36:36 Central Standard Time,

tgseeber@... writes:

OK,

Who remembers using rotating tourniquets?

That should set a bookmark to age.

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OK,

Who remembers using rotating tourniquets?

That should set a bookmark to age.

Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P

Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

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I do!

Ed

From: Bernie Stafford <staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net>

Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:14 AM

Jimmy Dunn tested me on CPR

Bernie

From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogro ups.com] On

Behalf Of wegandy1938@ aol.com

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:49 PM

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man

Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring.

GG

In a message dated 1/22/09 5:43:12 PM, staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net

<mailto:staffdoc910 9%40sbcglobal. net> writes:

>

> Barry,

>

> I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the

> local TDH office doing the testing.

>

> Bernie Stafford

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m] On

> Behalf Of Sharp, Barry

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

>

> But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

> newbie not matter how many years. LOL

>

> Barry

>

> Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

>

> Program Coordinator

>

> Tobacco Prevention & Control

>

> Texas Dept. of State Health Services

>

>

>

> Barry.Sharp@ Barry.SharpBarry <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40Barry. SharpBarry>

<mailto:Barry. mailto:Barry. mailto:Bama>

>

> PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

>

> P.O. Box 149347

>

> Mail Code 2018

>

> Austin, Texas 78714-9347

>

> ____________ ________ ________ _

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai>

> [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems-

mai> ]

> On

> Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai>

> Subject: Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

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I do also, and using cravats instead of velcro straps for support and cravats

for ankle hitch and for appling traction on a half-ring. Those were the

days.

Cavaness

EMS since 1987

From: Bernie Stafford <staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net>

Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:14 AM

Jimmy Dunn tested me on CPR

Bernie

From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogro ups.com] On

Behalf Of wegandy1938@ aol.com

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:49 PM

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man

Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring.

GG

In a message dated 1/22/09 5:43:12 PM, staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net

<mailto:staffdoc910 9%40sbcglobal. net> writes:

>

> Barry,

>

> I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the

> local TDH office doing the testing.

>

> Bernie Stafford

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m] On

> Behalf Of Sharp, Barry

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man

>

> But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a

> newbie not matter how many years. LOL

>

> Barry

>

> Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

>

> Program Coordinator

>

> Tobacco Prevention & Control

>

> Texas Dept. of State Health Services

>

>

>

> Barry.Sharp@ Barry.SharpBarry <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40Barry.

SharpBarry>

<mailto:Barry. mailto:Barry. mailto:Bama>

>

> PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

>

> P.O. Box 149347

>

> Mail Code 2018

>

> Austin, Texas 78714-9347

>

> ____________ ________ ________ _

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems-

mai>

> [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems-

mai> ]

> On

> Behalf Of Kenny Navarro

> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems-

mai>

> Subject: Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who

has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

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How about Hyperstat for HTN and Helefoam for burns and box after box of

sodium bicarbonate?

Re: Man oh man

>

>

>

> >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who

has

> been one for 15 years? <<<

>

> Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each

> year is equivalent to a factor of ten.

>

> Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than

> someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten

> times better than two year medics, and so on.

>

> It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

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