Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Visit this news article and be sure to read through the comments at the end. http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/37846494.html 1.? This agency is hurting, after a triple fatality accident on Christmas Day and now a complaint from the public regarding their driving...I think we are all one bad day away from being in a very similar situation.? 2.? How would your agency handle a similar issue?? 3.? What proactive steps have you taken to prevent and respond to these type complaints from the public?? 4.? How often does your agency transport patients emergency?? What does the science show is legitimate reasons for doing so? 5.? How does the numerous responses from EMS personnel in both Texas and Oklahoma reflect upon us as a profession?? We have discussed on this list, almost entirely made up of EMS people, about being professional on here because of the possibility of non-EMS folks lurking...but those posts on the television station website...WOW.... I read many news articles every day regarding EMS issues...the comments really grabbed my attention on this one. Dudley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Wow, that isn't any good. I know we have all came across drivers who don't move to the right, move to the left where your going, or don't stop at all for you at an intersection. I was instructed to always be on the defensive and to be aware of what is going on. After all, what good are we if we cause harm to someone or ourselves while trying to help someone. Now you have more than one incident and the original incident is experiencing a delay in care. The comments on that site boil down to a " he said, she said " situation that will result in bad publicity for EMS (and it already has). I think we should take this as a sign to check our own driving habits the next time we respond. -Nate PS, why do people feel the need to put how long they have been a medic? Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has been one for 15 years? That really annoyed me on those comments int he article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Personal disclosure: I used to live where and work in EMS in Fannin County, Honey Grove, and Bonham, and I have run emergencies on that highway hundreds of times. Some things should be known. The highway is narrow and full of curves. It is very dangerous. A couple of years ago this same department lost a paramedic in a headon collision on the same highway that was not his fault. The ambulance he was riding in was on its side of the road, running Code 3, and another vehicle crossed and hit it headon, resulting in a fire. About how to handle crises such as the current one: Unfortunately, dealing with the media can be frustrating. When caught off guard and on camera, people can sometimes make comments that can be " cherry picked " and make the person who said it look bad. Example, the chief's statement about medics having the right to break the law. True, but that is only part of the law and taken out of context, it can convey a different meaning from that intended. That's why departments have public information officers who are trained in how to deal with the press and get information out. Every department should have someone trained in PR and that person, and that person alone, should deal with the press. If the Chief has to make a statement and be interviewed, it should be after thorough preparation with the PR person and NEVER on the spur of the moment. All in all, it is better that the Chief not be the PIO. But if the Chief determines that he should talk to the media, it should be on HIS terms, not theirs. Information should be released, whenever possible, and to the greatest extent possible, in written form. When questions are taken, one needs to think carefully about the answers given. Every politician knows the traps that exist when the media takes something out of context. Resist the impulse to " shoot from the hip " with TV reporters. Figure out what your position is, read that, and take a few questions, but do NOT engage in a free-for-all with a TV reporter. You won't win with them any more than you will win with a lawyer. Be sure that your policies and procedures on driving are clear, reasonable, within the law, and enforced. Be up front about what the policies are. Resist making statements that can be viewed as inflammatory by disgruntled members of the public. NEVER attempt to justify. State facts, and facts only. State what you want the public to know about your department, and do not get drawn into spitting matches with either reporters or, through them, those who criticize your department. Make every TV appearance a positive one for your department. Then shut up. Whenever there is possible litigation or pending litigation, keep a closed mouth. Advise your troops not to comment. Be keenly aware of problems when there is a " whistleblower " and try to get to the bottom of the problem--not by firing the whistleblower but by addressing the root causes and correcting them. Anything said on the record, and with the press there is generally no such thing as " off the record " these days, can be used against you. Certainly anything said on camera is on the record. These are management 101 principles, but sometimes we need to revisit them. Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P > > Visit this news article and be sure to read through the comments at the end. > > http://www.kxii.http://wwhttp://wwwhttp://wwhttp > > 1.? This agency is hurting, after a triple fatality accident on Christmas > Day and now a complaint from the public regarding their driving...I think we > are all one bad day away from being in a very similar situation.? > > 2.? How would your agency handle a similar issue?? > > 3.? What proactive steps have you taken to prevent and respond to these type > complaints from the public?? > > 4.? How often does your agency transport patients emergency?? What does the > science show is legitimate reasons for doing so? > > 5.? How does the numerous responses from EMS personnel in both Texas and > Oklahoma reflect upon us as a profession?? We have discussed on this list, > almost entirely made up of EMS people, about being professional on here because of > the possibility of non-EMS folks lurking...but those posts on the television > station website...WOW. 5. > > I read many news articles every day regarding EMS issues...the comments > really grabbed my attention on this one. > > Dudley > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 That's right. And if you haven't had an oral mouth opener, also known as a mouth screw, on your ambulance you're a newbie, and if your first monitor/defibrillator weighed less than 50 pounds, you're a newbie. GG > > But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a > newbie not matter how many years. LOL > > Barry > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > > Program Coordinator > > Tobacco Prevention & Control > > Texas Dept. of State Health Services > > > > Barry.Sharp@... > > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: > > P.O. Box 149347 > > Mail Code 2018 > > Austin, Texas 78714-9347 > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring. GG > > Barry, > > I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the > local TDH office doing the testing. > > Bernie Stafford > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of Sharp, Barry > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man > > But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a > newbie not matter how many years. LOL > > Barry > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > > Program Coordinator > > Tobacco Prevention & Control > > Texas Dept. of State Health Services > > > > Barry.Sharp@... <mailto:Barry.mailto:Barry.mailto:Bama> > > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: > > P.O. Box 149347 > > Mail Code 2018 > > Austin, Texas 78714-9347 > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ] > On > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > Subject: Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I still require my students to make the ankle hitch out of a cravat, because the first thing lost from the traction splint kit is the ankle strap. GG > > I remember testing on the half ring traction splint and using cravats > (triangular bandages for you newbies) for the leg straps and one for the ankle > hitch. You then used a wooden or metal dowel to tighten the splint and tied it > off once traction was established. >  > Shaw was a resuscitator but it is not as old as the one I practiced > on which was an E & J resuscitator/ J resusci J resuscitator/<wbr>aspirator/< > wb >  > I think I can still make that ankle hitch too! >  > Ed Brando > Regional Director > ETMC/EMS > A proud dinosaur, serving since August, 1969 > > > > From: Bernie Stafford <staffdoc9109@staffdoc91sta> > Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 AM > > Barry, > > I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the > local TDH office doing the testing. > > Bernie Stafford > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems- From: texasems-l@yaho > Behalf Of Sharp, Barry > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com > Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man > > But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a > newbie not matter how many years. LOL > > Barry > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > > Program Coordinator > > Tobacco Prevention & Control > > Texas Dept. of State Health Services > > > > Barry.Sharp@ dshs.state. tx.us <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40dshs. state.tx. us> > > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: > > P.O. Box 149347 > > Mail Code 2018 > > Austin, Texas 78714-9347 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:texasems- [mailto:texasems-<<mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com> > ] > On > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 One thing I liked about taking an old (1978) ARC Advanced First Aid class was the fact that they taught us only on expedient things like pillow splints and such. When I took EMT-A in 1981 we had to learn and test on both the Half Ring and the Hare, the short backboard with cravats and straps and the KED and such. It spawned critical thinking about what the damn splint was trying to do and not reliance on how a piece of engineered equipment was to be applied. every time we had an odd ball off the charts situation that critical thinking ability got me out of a jam. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Home Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 1/22/2009 8:51:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, wegandy1938@... writes: I still require my students to make the ankle hitch out of a cravat, because the first thing lost from the traction splint kit is the ankle strap. GG In a message dated 1/22/09 7:00:36 PM, emsbrando@... writes: > > I remember testing on the half ring traction splint and using cravats > (triangular bandages for you newbies) for the leg straps and one for the ankle > hitch. You then used a wooden or metal dowel to tighten the splint and tied it > off once traction was established. > > Shaw was a resuscitator but it is not as old as the one I practiced > on which was an E & J resuscitator/ J resusci J resuscitator/<wbr>aspirator/< > wb > > I think I can still make that ankle hitch too! > > Ed Brando > Regional Director > ETMC/EMS > A proud dinosaur, serving since August, 1969 > > > > From: Bernie Stafford <staffdoc9109@staffdoc91sta> > Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 AM > > Barry, > > I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the > local TDH office doing the testing. > > Bernie Stafford > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems- From: texasems-l@yaho > Behalf Of Sharp, Barry > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com > Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man > > But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a > newbie not matter how many years. LOL > > Barry > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > > Program Coordinator > > Tobacco Prevention & Control > > Texas Dept. of State Health Services > > > > Barry.Sharp@ dshs.state. tx.us <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40dshs. state.tx. us> > > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: > > P.O. Box 149347 > > Mail Code 2018 > > Austin, Texas 78714-9347 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:texasems- [mailto:texasems-<<mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com> > ] > On > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http: //www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has been one for 15 years? <<< Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each year is equivalent to a factor of ten. Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten times better than two year medics, and so on. It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. Kenny Navarro Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 And I've always said the opposite: There are damned few medics with 20 years of experience, and way too many medics with one year of experience repeated 20 times. Kenny Navarro wrote: > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > -- Grayson www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Now that is something even I will agree with....LOL Joby Berkley EMT-P ________________________________ To: texasems-l Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08:23 PM Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a newbie not matter how many years. LOL Barry Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Program Coordinator Tobacco Prevention & Control Texas Dept. of State Health Services Barry.Sharp@ dshs.state. tx.us PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P.O. Box 149347 Mail Code 2018 Austin, Texas 78714-9347 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Kenny Navarro Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: Man oh man >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has been one for 15 years? <<< Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each year is equivalent to a factor of ten. Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten times better than two year medics, and so on. It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. Kenny Navarro Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a newbie not matter how many years. LOL Barry Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Program Coordinator Tobacco Prevention & Control Texas Dept. of State Health Services Barry.Sharp@... PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P.O. Box 149347 Mail Code 2018 Austin, Texas 78714-9347 ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Kenny Navarro Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Man oh man >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has been one for 15 years? <<< Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each year is equivalent to a factor of ten. Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten times better than two year medics, and so on. It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. Kenny Navarro Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 What about the short board or the " Kansas Board " ... Or can they tell you what a " Shaw " unit is.... Les NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF Senior Safety Coordinator Westlake Chemical P.O. Box 228 36045 Highway 30 Geismar, LA 70734-0228 e-mail: lpowell@... Telephone: Fax: Cell: 225.439-6552 Immediate Past President: American Society of Safety Engineers - Sabine-Neches Chapter <http://www.snc.asse.org/> Affiliate Advisory Council - Texas: National Association of Emergency Medical Technicians <http://www.naemt.org/> Board of Directors - Emergency Medical Services Association of Texas (EMSAT) <http://www.texasemsat.org/> This information may contain confidential and/or privileged material and is only transmitted for the intended recipient. Any review, retransmission, conversion to hard copy, copying, reproduction, circulation, publication, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action, or omission to take action, in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer, disk drive, diskette, or other storage device or media. " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " - Abraham Lincoln ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Joby Berkley Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:05 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man Now that is something even I will agree with....LOL Joby Berkley EMT-P ________________________________ From: " Sharp, Barry " <barry.sharp@... <mailto:barry.sharp%40dshs.state.tx.us> > To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08:23 PM Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a newbie not matter how many years. LOL Barry Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Program Coordinator Tobacco Prevention & Control Texas Dept. of State Health Services Barry.Sharp@ dshs.state. tx.us PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P.O. Box 149347 Mail Code 2018 Austin, Texas 78714-9347 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Kenny Navarro Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: Man oh man >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has been one for 15 years? <<< Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each year is equivalent to a factor of ten. Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten times better than two year medics, and so on. It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. Kenny Navarro Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Barry, I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the local TDH office doing the testing. Bernie Stafford From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Sharp, Barry Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a newbie not matter how many years. LOL Barry Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Program Coordinator Tobacco Prevention & Control Texas Dept. of State Health Services Barry.Sharp@... <mailto:Barry.Sharp%40dshs.state.tx.us> PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P.O. Box 149347 Mail Code 2018 Austin, Texas 78714-9347 ________________________________ From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kenny Navarro Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Man oh man >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has been one for 15 years? <<< Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each year is equivalent to a factor of ten. Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten times better than two year medics, and so on. It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. Kenny Navarro Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I remember testing on the half ring traction splint and using cravats (triangular bandages for you newbies) for the leg straps and one for the ankle hitch. You then used a wooden or metal dowel to tighten the splint and tied it off once traction was established. Shaw was a resuscitator but it is not as old as the one I practiced on which was an E & J resuscitator/aspirator/suction. Â Those were the days!!!! I think I can still make that ankle hitch too! Ed Brando Regional Director ETMC/EMS A proud dinosaur, serving since August, 1969 Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man To: texasems-l Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 AM Barry, I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the local TDH office doing the testing. Bernie Stafford From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Sharp, Barry Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a newbie not matter how many years. LOL Barry Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Program Coordinator Tobacco Prevention & Control Texas Dept. of State Health Services Barry.Sharp@ dshs.state. tx.us <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40dshs. state.tx. us> PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P.O. Box 149347 Mail Code 2018 Austin, Texas 78714-9347 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com> [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com> ] On Behalf Of Kenny Navarro Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:texasems- l%40yahoogroups. com> Subject: Re: Man oh man >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has been one for 15 years? <<< Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each year is equivalent to a factor of ten. Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten times better than two year medics, and so on. It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. Kenny Navarro Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I had forgotten about that screw! Tried it a few times and never had any luck with it. Maxine Pate hire EMS ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:47:23 EST >From: wegandy1938@... >Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man >To: texasems-l > > That's right. And if you haven't had an oral mouth > opener, also known as a > mouth screw, on your ambulance you're a newbie, and > if your first > monitor/defibrillator weighed less than 50 pounds, > you're a newbie. > > GG > In a message dated 1/22/09 4:04:00 PM, > barry.sharp@... writes: > > > > > But if you can't remember testing out on a > -half ring you are a > > newbie not matter how many years. LOL > > > > Barry > > > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > > > > Program Coordinator > > > > Tobacco Prevention & Control > > > > Texas Dept. of State Health Services > > > > > > > > Barry.Sharp@... > > > > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: > > > > P.O. Box 149347 > > > > Mail Code 2018 > > > > Austin, Texas 78714-9347 > > > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM > > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > > Subject: Re: Man oh man > > > > > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you > better than one who has > > been one for 15 years? <<< > > > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the > richter scale. Each > > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten > times better than > > someone who has been a medic for one year. > Three-year medics are ten > > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere > near the back. > > > > Kenny Navarro > > Dallas > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in > just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://\ www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Jimmy Dunn tested me on CPR… Bernie From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of wegandy1938@... Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:49 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring. GG In a message dated 1/22/09 5:43:12 PM, staffdoc9109@... <mailto:staffdoc9109%40sbcglobal.net> writes: > > Barry, > > I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the > local TDH office doing the testing. > > Bernie Stafford > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of Sharp, Barry > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man > > But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a > newbie not matter how many years. LOL > > Barry > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > > Program Coordinator > > Tobacco Prevention & Control > > Texas Dept. of State Health Services > > > > Barry.Sharp@... <mailto:Barry.Sharp%40Barry.SharpBarry> <mailto:Barry.mailto:Barry.mailto:Bama> > > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: > > P.O. Box 149347 > > Mail Code 2018 > > Austin, Texas 78714-9347 > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ] > On > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> > Subject: Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Jimmy D. Is the Bomb! LanieSt.Claire R.N NREMTP Children's Medical Center Emergency Services Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I took my National Registry Skills Exam at Tulane in New Orleans was asked some questions on use of the C-Collar (the orange foam collar), and long and short backboards by Dr. Norman McSwain. I could hardly talk. They used doctors back then since there weren't enough paramedics to do testing. ed Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man To: texasems-l Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:14 AM Jimmy Dunn tested me on CPR Bernie From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of wegandy1938@ aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:49 PM To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring. GG In a message dated 1/22/09 5:43:12 PM, staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net <mailto:staffdoc910 9%40sbcglobal. net> writes: > > Barry, > > I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the > local TDH office doing the testing. > > Bernie Stafford > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m] On > Behalf Of Sharp, Barry > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem > Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man > > But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a > newbie not matter how many years. LOL > > Barry > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > > Program Coordinator > > Tobacco Prevention & Control > > Texas Dept. of State Health Services > > > > Barry.Sharp@ Barry.SharpBarry <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40Barry. SharpBarry> <mailto:Barry. mailto:Barry. mailto:Bama> > > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: > > P.O. Box 149347 > > Mail Code 2018 > > Austin, Texas 78714-9347 > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> > [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> ] > On > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> > Subject: Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Heck, son, when I first tested, the 'half ring' was a new fangled device...we had to put the 'full ring' splint on...and tear the cravats from bedsheets with our teeth (unlike Gene, who had to weave them with his toes)... ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP In a message dated 1/22/2009 17:04:02 Central Standard Time, barry.sharp@... writes: But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a newbie not matter how many years. LOL **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 The 'screw' was a relatively late invention...and some of the first monitor/defib units I worked with were separate items, and didn't have batteries...only 'shore power'... ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP In a message dated 1/22/2009 20:47:53 Central Standard Time, wegandy1938@... writes: That's right. And if you haven't had an oral mouth opener, also known as a mouth screw, on your ambulance you're a newbie, and if your first monitor/defibrillatmonitor/defibrillat<WBR>or weighed less than 50 poun **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 yep...and thought about using them again last night (LOL in marked resp distress due to acute CHF)...12 cm of CPAP fixed her, fortunately, as she's got a 'Do Not Intubate' order on her chart... ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP In a message dated 1/23/2009 06:36:36 Central Standard Time, tgseeber@... writes: OK, Who remembers using rotating tourniquets? That should set a bookmark to age. Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 OK, Who remembers using rotating tourniquets? That should set a bookmark to age. Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I do! Ed From: Bernie Stafford <staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:14 AM Jimmy Dunn tested me on CPR Bernie From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of wegandy1938@ aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:49 PM To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring. GG In a message dated 1/22/09 5:43:12 PM, staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net <mailto:staffdoc910 9%40sbcglobal. net> writes: > > Barry, > > I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the > local TDH office doing the testing. > > Bernie Stafford > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m] On > Behalf Of Sharp, Barry > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem > Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man > > But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a > newbie not matter how many years. LOL > > Barry > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > > Program Coordinator > > Tobacco Prevention & Control > > Texas Dept. of State Health Services > > > > Barry.Sharp@ Barry.SharpBarry <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40Barry. SharpBarry> <mailto:Barry. mailto:Barry. mailto:Bama> > > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: > > P.O. Box 149347 > > Mail Code 2018 > > Austin, Texas 78714-9347 > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> > [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> ] > On > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> > Subject: Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I do also, and using cravats instead of velcro straps for support and cravats for ankle hitch and for appling traction on a half-ring. Those were the days. Cavaness EMS since 1987 From: Bernie Stafford <staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net> Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:14 AM Jimmy Dunn tested me on CPR Bernie From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of wegandy1938@ aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:49 PM To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: Re: Man oh man Jimmy Dunn tested me on the Half-ring. GG In a message dated 1/22/09 5:43:12 PM, staffdoc9109@ sbcglobal. net <mailto:staffdoc910 9%40sbcglobal. net> writes: > > Barry, > > I remember testing on the Half ring with a representative from the > local TDH office doing the testing. > > Bernie Stafford > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m] On > Behalf Of Sharp, Barry > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:08 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem > Subject: RE: Re: Man oh man > > But if you can't remember testing out on a -half ring you are a > newbie not matter how many years. LOL > > Barry > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > > Program Coordinator > > Tobacco Prevention & Control > > Texas Dept. of State Health Services > > > > Barry.Sharp@ Barry.SharpBarry <mailto:Barry. Sharp%40Barry. SharpBarry> <mailto:Barry. mailto:Barry. mailto:Bama> > > PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS: > > P.O. Box 149347 > > Mail Code 2018 > > Austin, Texas 78714-9347 > > ____________ ________ ________ _ > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> > [mailto:texasems- l@yahoogrotexase m <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> ] > On > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:48 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> > Subject: Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 How about Hyperstat for HTN and Helefoam for burns and box after box of sodium bicarbonate? Re: Man oh man > > > > >>> Does being a medic for 19 years make you better than one who has > been one for 15 years? <<< > > Yes. Reporting your years as a medic is like the richter scale. Each > year is equivalent to a factor of ten. > > Someone who has been a medic for two years is ten times better than > someone who has been a medic for one year. Three-year medics are ten > times better than two year medics, and so on. > > It is in the Bible. Look it up. It is somewhere near the back. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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