Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Dear Yuka, I hope is gratified to know he is noticed and respected for his talents. He should be. And knowing this may allow him to spread his focus more onto his peers. I've seen Di (sometimes grudginly, sometimes wistfully,) come to an acceptance that this is 'how it is' for her. And yet, when given the opportunity, I've heard (and overheard) she can party with the best of them. (well, she is her mother's daughter-some of that stuff had to cross over) Yet, her need to achieve is paramount in school, and with homework; and like , I believe, it takes and she gives all her focus to that. My point is that I don't know that your other boys' school experiences would have worked well for . would not have fared well in those other situations. Too much banter, thinking quickly and off the top of the head, too much non-literal conversation to process, not enough structure. Our kids seem by nature to be goal-oriented in school. So maybe when push comes to shove, that's what they're most comfortable with, because that's where they can perform the best. >> had a very academic focusing DHH teacher for 3-5th grade, and his mainstream teacher in 6th was much the same. Now I can see that my other sons had teachers that fostered group work/time - exchange of a variety of ideas (which 's teachers would have seen as unproductive) and how that would have helped. <<< (- I learned to insert these little dweebies from you ;-) <<<<<< those thingies. ;-)>>>> Love, in Ma. ( 21 yrs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Yuka- What wonderful insight! I'm not surprised that Elliot is attentive to these comments from classmates and shares them with you. Wonderful brother! It's illuminating to hear how the social interactions are impacted by that determination and focus that serves our kids so well in other areas. May I share this with Aubrie's social worker who is trying to understand her socially? Michele W _____ From: CHARGE [mailto:CHARGE ] On Behalf Of Yuka Persico Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:49 AM To: CHARGE Subject: Thoughts on A Day as a Senior at High School Up until now we had joked in our family that 's lack of social opportunity was framed by his tendency to perseverate, to have slightly off-putting choices of conversation and habits, and by his slightly compulsive habits in terms of his school work and the support of his school work. His sheer focus and determination while navigating the halls of school do not lend themselves to social banter. Speech Therapists have worked on pragmatics in language and articulation, wondering why that hasn't improved the social scene. This school year 's younger brother is at the same school with and for the first time I have a chance to see through eyes outside of teachers and translators inside the classroom. I started to become aware that the behaviors are a demonstration of something deeper. I started to use the words " discernment " and " judgment " . didn't seem to be able to discern or judge who would be a potential friend. Then I looked at other behaviors he has - how infrequently he takes the opportunity to re-evaluate something, how he just proceeds with persistence and patience any plan. Whether it is in a table game with friends, selecting new aircrafts on a video game or alternating breaks and homework time - he sets a pattern and sticks to it without judgment, without attachment without re-evaluation. Things we had previously witnessed under the umbrella of " compulsion " . Now I am starting to have a glimpse of why he hasn't developed those skills - or rather what he has been focusing his energy on in such a primary way as to exclude time from developing these skills. In just the seven weeks since this school term started I have learned so much about (our son with CHARGE who is senior at high school) daily through Elliot's ('s younger brother who is now a freshman/ninth grader at the same high school) eyes and ears. Half what Elliot sees and half what he hears from 's classmates that are in some of Elliot's classes. Some of it breaks my heart. One girl today asked Elliot if he was 's brother (this story has been happening two or three times a week with different kids approaching Elliot). She told Elliot she is in 's AP Govt class. She also said she has been in many of his classes since seventh grade. She told Elliot that is one of the nicest guys and is known by all the 'smart' kids because he is such a nice and smart kid. When Elliot asked if he knew , he wasn't sure. Elliot described her, and wasn't sure. Elliot told the whole story, which made happy and also made him laugh, and then said " maybe she sits in front of me. " This and other stories like it make me realize how hard works to attend in class - to the teacher, to the sign language translator, to keeping with physically navigating, his physical school supplies and everything else. I really don't know how he does it. His brace makes everything quite difficult. So after he kneels and leans enough to get stuff out of his rolling backpack (with which he regularly runs over other students) he had to position himself in the chair in such a way that he can still see his paper enough to take notes yet not be strangled too much by the brace, and also keep his head in a spot where the FM system is giving him the least amount of static, keep his eye on the interpreter, his eyes and ears on the teacher, his eyes on other visual supports and his note paper. It was all consuming enough before the brace. It's no wonder he hasn't had the time to notice that several students have been in several classes with him each year for six years! So I chose my words carefully - and we talked about how different 's school experience is. How much I admire his determination and his success. How I always knew it was a given that he works hard, and yet I felt as if for the first time I really could feel how consuming the effort is. And I think it opened 's eyes to the possibilities he hasn't seen. He was pleased at least of evidence of being known and liked in a way that resonated as true. yuka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Up until now we had joked in our family that 's lack of social opportunity was framed by his tendency to perseverate, to have slightly off-putting choices of conversation and habits, and by his slightly compulsive habits in terms of his school work and the support of his school work. His sheer focus and determination while navigating the halls of school do not lend themselves to social banter. Speech Therapists have worked on pragmatics in language and articulation, wondering why that hasn't improved the social scene. This school year 's younger brother is at the same school with and for the first time I have a chance to see through eyes outside of teachers and translators inside the classroom. I started to become aware that the behaviors are a demonstration of something deeper. I started to use the words " discernment " and " judgment " . didn't seem to be able to discern or judge who would be a potential friend. Then I looked at other behaviors he has - how infrequently he takes the opportunity to re-evaluate something, how he just proceeds with persistence and patience any plan. Whether it is in a table game with friends, selecting new aircrafts on a video game or alternating breaks and homework time - he sets a pattern and sticks to it without judgment, without attachment without re-evaluation. Things we had previously witnessed under the umbrella of " compulsion " . Now I am starting to have a glimpse of why he hasn't developed those skills - or rather what he has been focusing his energy on in such a primary way as to exclude time from developing these skills. In just the seven weeks since this school term started I have learned so much about (our son with CHARGE who is senior at high school) daily through Elliot's ('s younger brother who is now a freshman/ninth grader at the same high school) eyes and ears. Half what Elliot sees and half what he hears from 's classmates that are in some of Elliot's classes. Some of it breaks my heart. One girl today asked Elliot if he was 's brother (this story has been happening two or three times a week with different kids approaching Elliot). She told Elliot she is in 's AP Govt class. She also said she has been in many of his classes since seventh grade. She told Elliot that is one of the nicest guys and is known by all the 'smart' kids because he is such a nice and smart kid. When Elliot asked if he knew , he wasn't sure. Elliot described her, and wasn't sure. Elliot told the whole story, which made happy and also made him laugh, and then said " maybe she sits in front of me. " This and other stories like it make me realize how hard works to attend in class - to the teacher, to the sign language translator, to keeping with physically navigating, his physical school supplies and everything else. I really don't know how he does it. His brace makes everything quite difficult. So after he kneels and leans enough to get stuff out of his rolling backpack (with which he regularly runs over other students) he had to position himself in the chair in such a way that he can still see his paper enough to take notes yet not be strangled too much by the brace, and also keep his head in a spot where the FM system is giving him the least amount of static, keep his eye on the interpreter, his eyes and ears on the teacher, his eyes on other visual supports and his note paper. It was all consuming enough before the brace. It's no wonder he hasn't had the time to notice that several students have been in several classes with him each year for six years! So I chose my words carefully - and we talked about how different 's school experience is. How much I admire his determination and his success. How I always knew it was a given that he works hard, and yet I felt as if for the first time I really could feel how consuming the effort is. And I think it opened 's eyes to the possibilities he hasn't seen. He was pleased at least of evidence of being known and liked in a way that resonated as true. yuka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 absolutely! I hope that this story will inspire proactive solutions and interventions that can be incorporated at an earlier age. I wish I knew what those might be ) had a very academic focusing DHH teacher for 3-5th grade, and his mainstream teacher in 6th was much the same. Now I can see that my other sons had teachers that fostered group work/time - exchange of a variety of ideas (which 's teachers would have seen as unproductive) and how that would have helped. Also, PE, an arena that is mostly social for my other two boys is supremely effortful for . So though he has the praise of his instructors, he never had social time there either..... **sigh*** it is as it is, full of blessings all the same. Recognizing the loss though is an adjustment.... yuka Thoughts on A Day as a Senior at High School Up until now we had joked in our family that 's lack of social opportunity was framed by his tendency to perseverate, to have slightly off-putting choices of conversation and habits, and by his slightly compulsive habits in terms of his school work and the support of his school work. His sheer focus and determination while navigating the halls of school do not lend themselves to social banter. Speech Therapists have worked on pragmatics in language and articulation, wondering why that hasn't improved the social scene. This school year 's younger brother is at the same school with and for the first time I have a chance to see through eyes outside of teachers and translators inside the classroom. I started to become aware that the behaviors are a demonstration of something deeper. I started to use the words " discernment " and " judgment " . didn't seem to be able to discern or judge who would be a potential friend. Then I looked at other behaviors he has - how infrequently he takes the opportunity to re-evaluate something, how he just proceeds with persistence and patience any plan. Whether it is in a table game with friends, selecting new aircrafts on a video game or alternating breaks and homework time - he sets a pattern and sticks to it without judgment, without attachment without re-evaluation. Things we had previously witnessed under the umbrella of " compulsion " . Now I am starting to have a glimpse of why he hasn't developed those skills - or rather what he has been focusing his energy on in such a primary way as to exclude time from developing these skills. In just the seven weeks since this school term started I have learned so much about (our son with CHARGE who is senior at high school) daily through Elliot's ('s younger brother who is now a freshman/ninth grader at the same high school) eyes and ears. Half what Elliot sees and half what he hears from 's classmates that are in some of Elliot's classes. Some of it breaks my heart. One girl today asked Elliot if he was 's brother (this story has been happening two or three times a week with different kids approaching Elliot). She told Elliot she is in 's AP Govt class. She also said she has been in many of his classes since seventh grade. She told Elliot that is one of the nicest guys and is known by all the 'smart' kids because he is such a nice and smart kid. When Elliot asked if he knew , he wasn't sure. Elliot described her, and wasn't sure. Elliot told the whole story, which made happy and also made him laugh, and then said " maybe she sits in front of me. " This and other stories like it make me realize how hard works to attend in class - to the teacher, to the sign language translator, to keeping with physically navigating, his physical school supplies and everything else. I really don't know how he does it. His brace makes everything quite difficult. So after he kneels and leans enough to get stuff out of his rolling backpack (with which he regularly runs over other students) he had to position himself in the chair in such a way that he can still see his paper enough to take notes yet not be strangled too much by the brace, and also keep his head in a spot where the FM system is giving him the least amount of static, keep his eye on the interpreter, his eyes and ears on the teacher, his eyes on other visual supports and his note paper. It was all consuming enough before the brace. It's no wonder he hasn't had the time to notice that several students have been in several classes with him each year for six years! So I chose my words carefully - and we talked about how different 's school experience is. How much I admire his determination and his success. How I always knew it was a given that he works hard, and yet I felt as if for the first time I really could feel how consuming the effort is. And I think it opened 's eyes to the possibilities he hasn't seen. He was pleased at least of evidence of being known and liked in a way that resonated as true. yuka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Yuka, How great to get another insight into 's experience. I find it hard already not getting enough " info " from Kennedy and I think it's similar; she works SO hard to concentrate (she is doing AMAZING with the full grade three regular curriculum - straight A+'s on all her tests so far) that she doesn't pick up on other things in her day and can't relate those back to me. I'm so proud for what she's accomplishing yet simultaneously sad at the realization of how hard she has to work and how much " other stuff " she misses. http://www.chargesyndrome.info > > > > Up until now we had joked in our family that 's lack of social > opportunity was framed by his tendency to perseverate, to have slightly > off-putting choices of conversation and habits, and by his slightly > compulsive habits in terms of his school work and the support of his school > work. His sheer focus and determination while navigating the halls of school > do not lend themselves to social banter. Speech Therapists have worked on > pragmatics in language and articulation, wondering why that hasn't improved > the social scene. This school year 's younger brother is at the same > school with and for the first time I have a chance to see > through eyes outside of teachers and translators inside the classroom. I > started to become aware that the behaviors are a demonstration of something > deeper. I started to use the words " discernment " and " judgment " . > didn't seem to be able to discern or judge who would be a potential friend. > Then I looked at other behaviors he has - how infrequently he takes the > opportunity to re-evaluate something, how he just proceeds with persistence > and patience any plan. Whether it is in a table game with friends, selecting > new aircrafts on a video game or alternating breaks and homework time - he > sets a pattern and sticks to it without judgment, without attachment without > re-evaluation. Things we had previously witnessed under the umbrella of > " compulsion " . Now I am starting to have a glimpse of why he hasn't developed > those skills - or rather what he has been focusing his energy on in such a > primary way as to exclude time from developing these skills. > > In just the seven weeks since this school term started I have learned so > much about (our son with CHARGE who is senior at high school) daily > through Elliot's ('s younger brother who is now a freshman/ninth grader > at the same high school) eyes and ears. Half what Elliot sees and half what > he hears from 's classmates that are in some of Elliot's classes. Some > of it breaks my heart. One girl today asked Elliot if he was 's brother > (this story has been happening two or three times a week with different kids > approaching Elliot). She told Elliot she is in 's AP Govt class. She > also said she has been in many of his classes since seventh grade. She told > Elliot that is one of the nicest guys and is known by all the 'smart' > kids because he is such a nice and smart kid. When Elliot asked if he > knew , he wasn't sure. Elliot described her, and wasn't sure. > Elliot told the whole story, which made happy and also made him laugh, > and then said " maybe she sits in front of me. " This and other stories > like it make me realize how hard works to attend in class - to the > teacher, to the sign language translator, to keeping with physically > navigating, his physical school supplies and everything else. I really don't > know how he does it. His brace makes everything quite difficult. So after he > kneels and leans enough to get stuff out of his rolling backpack (with which > he regularly runs over other students) he had to position himself in the > chair in such a way that he can still see his paper enough to take notes yet > not be strangled too much by the brace, and also keep his head in a spot > where the FM system is giving him the least amount of static, keep his eye > on the interpreter, his eyes and ears on the teacher, his eyes on other > visual supports and his note paper. It was all consuming enough before the > brace. It's no wonder he hasn't had the time to notice that several students > have been in several classes with him each year for six years! So I chose my > words carefully - and we talked about how different 's school > experience is. How much I admire his determination and his success. How I > always knew it was a given that he works hard, and yet I felt as if for the > first time I really could feel how consuming the effort is. And I think it > opened 's eyes to the possibilities he hasn't seen. He was pleased at > least of evidence of being known and liked in a way that resonated as true. > > yuka > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I may also share this with Kennedy's team to highlight the social challenges these children face and that those goals are also important. thanks Yuka, > > absolutely! I hope that this story will inspire proactive solutions and > interventions that can be incorporated at an earlier age. I wish I knew what > those might be ) > > had a very academic focusing DHH teacher for 3-5th grade, and his > mainstream teacher in 6th was much the same. Now I can see that my other > sons had teachers that fostered group work/time - exchange of a variety of > ideas (which 's teachers would have seen as unproductive) and how that > would have helped. Also, PE, an arena that is mostly social for my other two > boys is supremely effortful for . So though he has the praise of his > instructors, he never had social time there either..... > > **sigh*** it is as it is, full of blessings all the same. Recognizing the > loss though is an adjustment.... > > yuka > > Thoughts on A Day as a Senior at High School > > Up until now we had joked in our family that 's lack of social > opportunity was framed by his tendency to perseverate, to have slightly > off-putting choices of conversation and habits, and by his slightly > compulsive habits in terms of his school work and the support of his > school > work. His sheer focus and determination while navigating the halls of > school > do not lend themselves to social banter. Speech Therapists have worked on > pragmatics in language and articulation, wondering why that hasn't > improved > the social scene. This school year 's younger brother is at the same > school with and for the first time I have a chance to see > through eyes outside of teachers and translators inside the classroom. I > started to become aware that the behaviors are a demonstration of > something > deeper. I started to use the words " discernment " and " judgment " . > didn't seem to be able to discern or judge who would be a potential > friend. > Then I looked at other behaviors he has - how infrequently he takes the > opportunity to re-evaluate something, how he just proceeds with > persistence > and patience any plan. Whether it is in a table game with friends, > selecting > new aircrafts on a video game or alternating breaks and homework time - he > sets a pattern and sticks to it without judgment, without attachment > without > re-evaluation. Things we had previously witnessed under the umbrella of > " compulsion " . Now I am starting to have a glimpse of why he hasn't > developed > those skills - or rather what he has been focusing his energy on in such a > primary way as to exclude time from developing these skills. > > In just the seven weeks since this school term started I have learned so > much about (our son with CHARGE who is senior at high school) daily > through Elliot's ('s younger brother who is now a freshman/ninth > grader > at the same high school) eyes and ears. Half what Elliot sees and half > what > he hears from 's classmates that are in some of Elliot's classes. > Some > of it breaks my heart. One girl today asked Elliot if he was 's > brother > (this story has been happening two or three times a week with different > kids > approaching Elliot). She told Elliot she is in 's AP Govt class. She > also said she has been in many of his classes since seventh grade. She > told > Elliot that is one of the nicest guys and is known by all the > 'smart' > kids because he is such a nice and smart kid. When Elliot asked if > he > knew , he wasn't sure. Elliot described her, and wasn't sure. > Elliot told the whole story, which made happy and also made him > laugh, > and then said " maybe she sits in front of me. " This and other > stories > like it make me realize how hard works to attend in class - to the > teacher, to the sign language translator, to keeping with physically > navigating, his physical school supplies and everything else. I really > don't > know how he does it. His brace makes everything quite difficult. So after > he > kneels and leans enough to get stuff out of his rolling backpack (with > which > he regularly runs over other students) he had to position himself in the > chair in such a way that he can still see his paper enough to take notes > yet > not be strangled too much by the brace, and also keep his head in a spot > where the FM system is giving him the least amount of static, keep his eye > on the interpreter, his eyes and ears on the teacher, his eyes on other > visual supports and his note paper. It was all consuming enough before the > brace. It's no wonder he hasn't had the time to notice that several > students > have been in several classes with him each year for six years! So I chose > my > words carefully - and we talked about how different 's school > experience is. How much I admire his determination and his success. How I > always knew it was a given that he works hard, and yet I felt as if for > the > first time I really could feel how consuming the effort is. And I think it > opened 's eyes to the possibilities he hasn't seen. He was pleased at > least of evidence of being known and liked in a way that resonated as > true. > > yuka > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Yuka, As usual you have hit the nail on the head‹of course, how wonderful that Elliot has access to the same ³hammer² that you use. I think that what you have said is exactly what many school people miss-and and Michele already said: how much these kids and young adults have to do to get through the day. The focus-auditory AND visual AND motor AND food as energy-is just overwhelming. We think about and hopefully get it from watching our kids, but the folks that pass them in the hallways, have them for only short sessions during the week/day, or only notice them from afar don¹t have the opportunity (and dare I say, privilege) of seeing all that they do to maintain. The fact the these kids get up everyday and GO to school, is amazing!! So, thank you for articulating this; thanks to Elliot for being so cool; and thanks to who shares his Mother¹s insight with us all. pam > -- Pamela J. , M.A., CAGS Licensed Educational Psychologist Deafblind Program Perkins School for the Blind 175 N. Beacon St. Watertown, MA 02472 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Thank you for sharing this. Lori Myers Thoughts on A Day as a Senior at High School Up until now we had joked in our family that 's lack of social opportunity was framed by his tendency to perseverate, to have slightly off-putting choices of conversation and habits, and by his slightly compulsive habits in terms of his school work and the support of his school work. His sheer focus and determination while navigating the halls of school do not lend themselves to social banter. Speech Therapists have worked on pragmatics in language and articulation, wondering why that hasn't improved the social scene. This school year 's younger brother is at the same school with and for the first time I have a chance to see through eyes outside of teachers and translators inside the classroom. I started to become aware that the behaviors are a demonstration of something deeper. I started to use the words " discernment " and " judgment " . didn't seem to be able to discern or judge who would be a potential friend. Then I looked at other behaviors he has - how infrequently he takes the opportunity to re-evaluate something, how he just proceeds with persistence and patience any plan. Whether it is in a table game with friends, selecting new aircrafts on a video game or alternating breaks and homework time - he sets a pattern and sticks to it without judgment, without attachment without re-evaluation. Things we had previously witnessed under the umbrella of " compulsion " . Now I am starting to have a glimpse of why he hasn't developed those skills - or rather what he has been focusing his energy on in such a primary way as to exclude time from developing these skills. In just the seven weeks since this school term started I have learned so much about (our son with CHARGE who is senior at high school) daily through Elliot's ('s younger brother who is now a freshman/ninth grader at the same high school) eyes and ears. Half what Elliot sees and half what he hears from 's classmates that are in some of Elliot's classes. Some of it breaks my heart. One girl today asked Elliot if he was 's brother (this story has been happening two or three times a week with different kids approaching Elliot). She told Elliot she is in 's AP Govt class. She also said she has been in many of his classes since seventh grade. She told Elliot that is one of the nicest guys and is known by all the 'smart' kids because he is such a nice and smart kid. When Elliot asked if he knew , he wasn't sure. Elliot described her, and wasn't sure. Elliot told the whole story, which made happy and also made him laugh, and then said " maybe she sits in front of me. " This and other stories like it make me realize how hard works to attend in class - to the teacher, to the sign language translator, to keeping with physically navigating, his physical school supplies and everything else. I really don't know how he does it. His brace makes everything quite difficult. So after he kneels and leans enough to get stuff out of his rolling backpack (with which he regularly runs over other students) he had to position himself in the chair in such a way that he can still see his paper enough to take notes yet not be strangled too much by the brace, and also keep his head in a spot where the FM system is giving him the least amount of static, keep his eye on the interpreter, his eyes and ears on the teacher, his eyes on other visual supports and his note paper. It was all consuming enough before the brace. It's no wonder he hasn't had the time to notice that several students have been in several classes with him each year for six years! So I chose my words carefully - and we talked about how different 's school experience is. How much I admire his determination and his success. How I always knew it was a given that he works hard, and yet I felt as if for the first time I really could feel how consuming the effort is. And I think it opened 's eyes to the possibilities he hasn't seen. He was pleased at least of evidence of being known and liked in a way that resonated as true. yuka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Yuka- Same for Aubrie with PE. It's very challenging for her. When they do contact sports, she is the coach, line judge, score keeper, anything to keep her from the line of fire. Perhaps we're being too careful, but I don't want a head or hip injury and the other kids are getting bigger and stronger all the time! There are just too many goals for one day for one kid! How can you get all the academics in and still have time to focus on social concerns?? My mind is muddled just thinking about it. Michele _____ From: CHARGE [mailto:CHARGE ] On Behalf Of Yuka Persico Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:20 AM To: CHARGE Subject: Re: Thoughts on A Day as a Senior at High School absolutely! I hope that this story will inspire proactive solutions and interventions that can be incorporated at an earlier age. I wish I knew what those might be ) had a very academic focusing DHH teacher for 3-5th grade, and his mainstream teacher in 6th was much the same. Now I can see that my other sons had teachers that fostered group work/time - exchange of a variety of ideas (which 's teachers would have seen as unproductive) and how that would have helped. Also, PE, an arena that is mostly social for my other two boys is supremely effortful for . So though he has the praise of his instructors, he never had social time there either..... **sigh*** it is as it is, full of blessings all the same. Recognizing the loss though is an adjustment.... yuka Thoughts on A Day as a Senior at High School Up until now we had joked in our family that 's lack of social opportunity was framed by his tendency to perseverate, to have slightly off-putting choices of conversation and habits, and by his slightly compulsive habits in terms of his school work and the support of his school work. His sheer focus and determination while navigating the halls of school do not lend themselves to social banter. Speech Therapists have worked on pragmatics in language and articulation, wondering why that hasn't improved the social scene. This school year 's younger brother is at the same school with and for the first time I have a chance to see through eyes outside of teachers and translators inside the classroom. I started to become aware that the behaviors are a demonstration of something deeper. I started to use the words " discernment " and " judgment " . didn't seem to be able to discern or judge who would be a potential friend. Then I looked at other behaviors he has - how infrequently he takes the opportunity to re-evaluate something, how he just proceeds with persistence and patience any plan. Whether it is in a table game with friends, selecting new aircrafts on a video game or alternating breaks and homework time - he sets a pattern and sticks to it without judgment, without attachment without re-evaluation. Things we had previously witnessed under the umbrella of " compulsion " . Now I am starting to have a glimpse of why he hasn't developed those skills - or rather what he has been focusing his energy on in such a primary way as to exclude time from developing these skills. In just the seven weeks since this school term started I have learned so much about (our son with CHARGE who is senior at high school) daily through Elliot's ('s younger brother who is now a freshman/ninth grader at the same high school) eyes and ears. Half what Elliot sees and half what he hears from 's classmates that are in some of Elliot's classes. Some of it breaks my heart. One girl today asked Elliot if he was 's brother (this story has been happening two or three times a week with different kids approaching Elliot). She told Elliot she is in 's AP Govt class. She also said she has been in many of his classes since seventh grade. She told Elliot that is one of the nicest guys and is known by all the 'smart' kids because he is such a nice and smart kid. When Elliot asked if he knew , he wasn't sure. Elliot described her, and wasn't sure. Elliot told the whole story, which made happy and also made him laugh, and then said " maybe she sits in front of me. " This and other stories like it make me realize how hard works to attend in class - to the teacher, to the sign language translator, to keeping with physically navigating, his physical school supplies and everything else. I really don't know how he does it. His brace makes everything quite difficult. So after he kneels and leans enough to get stuff out of his rolling backpack (with which he regularly runs over other students) he had to position himself in the chair in such a way that he can still see his paper enough to take notes yet not be strangled too much by the brace, and also keep his head in a spot where the FM system is giving him the least amount of static, keep his eye on the interpreter, his eyes and ears on the teacher, his eyes on other visual supports and his note paper. It was all consuming enough before the brace. It's no wonder he hasn't had the time to notice that several students have been in several classes with him each year for six years! So I chose my words carefully - and we talked about how different 's school experience is. How much I admire his determination and his success. How I always knew it was a given that he works hard, and yet I felt as if for the first time I really could feel how consuming the effort is. And I think it opened 's eyes to the possibilities he hasn't seen. He was pleased at least of evidence of being known and liked in a way that resonated as true. yuka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Michele- Your reply has brought back two bittersweet memories. When was in AYSO at nine years of age, we worried to death about him injuringhimself. We tried to have him placed into the special division, but he would have no part of it. On the first day of practice we were instantly relieved. It took him so long to process where the ball was and he was so small and slow in running he was always at least half a field away from the main action. When in ninth grade mainstream PE and they began a unit on football. My husband, a dear friend and I all said to at the same time " You know what to do when you have the ball don't you? Throw it away as fast and as far as you can!: ) For our other two sons, PE in middle and high school is such a time of bonding as they run/walk the mile (or two) - and wait for turns at things, form teams and discuss the feelings shared by the less than athletic..... never had that. He would still be running the mile as the class moved on, and the teacher would be cheering his determination...... love, yuka Thoughts on A Day as a Senior at High School Up until now we had joked in our family that 's lack of social opportunity was framed by his tendency to perseverate, to have slightly off-putting choices of conversation and habits, and by his slightly compulsive habits in terms of his school work and the support of his school work. His sheer focus and determination while navigating the halls of school do not lend themselves to social banter. Speech Therapists have worked on pragmatics in language and articulation, wondering why that hasn't improved the social scene. This school year 's younger brother is at the same school with and for the first time I have a chance to see through eyes outside of teachers and translators inside the classroom. I started to become aware that the behaviors are a demonstration of something deeper. I started to use the words " discernment " and " judgment " . didn't seem to be able to discern or judge who would be a potential friend. Then I looked at other behaviors he has - how infrequently he takes the opportunity to re-evaluate something, how he just proceeds with persistence and patience any plan. Whether it is in a table game with friends, selecting new aircrafts on a video game or alternating breaks and homework time - he sets a pattern and sticks to it without judgment, without attachment without re-evaluation. Things we had previously witnessed under the umbrella of " compulsion " . Now I am starting to have a glimpse of why he hasn't developed those skills - or rather what he has been focusing his energy on in such a primary way as to exclude time from developing these skills. In just the seven weeks since this school term started I have learned so much about (our son with CHARGE who is senior at high school) daily through Elliot's ('s younger brother who is now a freshman/ninth grader at the same high school) eyes and ears. Half what Elliot sees and half what he hears from 's classmates that are in some of Elliot's classes. Some of it breaks my heart. One girl today asked Elliot if he was 's brother (this story has been happening two or three times a week with different kids approaching Elliot). She told Elliot she is in 's AP Govt class. She also said she has been in many of his classes since seventh grade. She told Elliot that is one of the nicest guys and is known by all the 'smart' kids because he is such a nice and smart kid. When Elliot asked if he knew , he wasn't sure. Elliot described her, and wasn't sure. Elliot told the whole story, which made happy and also made him laugh, and then said " maybe she sits in front of me. " This and other stories like it make me realize how hard works to attend in class - to the teacher, to the sign language translator, to keeping with physically navigating, his physical school supplies and everything else. I really don't know how he does it. His brace makes everything quite difficult. So after he kneels and leans enough to get stuff out of his rolling backpack (with which he regularly runs over other students) he had to position himself in the chair in such a way that he can still see his paper enough to take notes yet not be strangled too much by the brace, and also keep his head in a spot where the FM system is giving him the least amount of static, keep his eye on the interpreter, his eyes and ears on the teacher, his eyes on other visual supports and his note paper. It was all consuming enough before the brace. It's no wonder he hasn't had the time to notice that several students have been in several classes with him each year for six years! So I chose my words carefully - and we talked about how different 's school experience is. How much I admire his determination and his success. How I always knew it was a given that he works hard, and yet I felt as if for the first time I really could feel how consuming the effort is. And I think it opened 's eyes to the possibilities he hasn't seen. He was pleased at least of evidence of being known and liked in a way that resonated as true. yuka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Yuka- So I guess whether Aubrie is participating in the midst of things or on the sidelines, she'll miss out on the socialization anyway. So she might as well participate in a safe way. With soccer this year, she couldn't keep up with the others, but it stressed her out and she spent the game in tears. Luckily, I convinced her to give it up - and ISD Girl Scouts conflicted with soccer practice providing a nice alternative and easy way out. With only 5 kids in the class, she's having more time and opportunity for socialization. But then she can only talk with one of those and isn't signing well enough for in-depth interaction with the others. Perhaps in time. Michele W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Dear Yuka, Oh thank you-you got the soccer, football stories out just in time- I was about to lose the battle of the tears. This pulls me so far out of the pink that my mind is frantically churning out every positive affirmation I've ever heard or read in my entire life, in an attempt to save me and save you and save us all from the ugly beastie.(pain, regret, disappointment, etc. etc.) Oh gosh, I admire your ability to look on it with an open heart, and still stay standing. Oh-I just read your post on analgesics! LOL! I'm good again!!! Not for nothing, but Di's socialization, self-expression, confidence, etc. has really picked up speed over the last few years. It reminds me of the little kids, who are having to get the standing down first, to then get on with the talking. So, maybe it ain't over till its over. Although, of course I totally agree with you that socialization should not be back-burnered in favor of anything else, and must be incorporated into day-to-day experience-so what if we have to help " the natural " along. Haven't we always? lol. Thank you for being you, in Ma. > > Your reply has brought back two bittersweet memories. When was in AYSO at nine years of age, we worried to death about him injuringhimself. We tried to have him placed into the special division, but he would have no part of it. On the first day of practice we were instantly relieved. It took him so long to process where the ball was and he was so small and slow in running he was always at least half a field away from the main action. > > When in ninth grade mainstream PE and they began a unit on football. My husband, a dear friend and I all said to at the same time " You know what to do when you have the ball don't you? Throw it away as fast and as far as you can!: > > ) > > For our other two sons, PE in middle and high school is such a time of bonding as they run/walk the mile (or two) - and wait for turns at things, form teams and discuss the feelings shared by the less than athletic..... never had that. He would still be running the mile as the class moved on, and the teacher would be cheering his determination...... > > love, > yuka > > Thoughts on A Day as a Senior at High School > > Up until now we had joked in our family that 's lack of social > opportunity was framed by his tendency to perseverate, to have slightly > off-putting choices of conversation and habits, and by his slightly > compulsive habits in terms of his school work and the support of his school > work. His sheer focus and determination while navigating the halls of school > do not lend themselves to social banter. Speech Therapists have worked on > pragmatics in language and articulation, wondering why that hasn't improved > the social scene. This school year 's younger brother is at the same > school with and for the first time I have a chance to see > through eyes outside of teachers and translators inside the classroom. I > started to become aware that the behaviors are a demonstration of something > deeper. I started to use the words " discernment " and " judgment " . > didn't seem to be able to discern or judge who would be a potential friend. > Then I looked at other behaviors he has - how infrequently he takes the > opportunity to re-evaluate something, how he just proceeds with persistence > and patience any plan. Whether it is in a table game with friends, selecting > new aircrafts on a video game or alternating breaks and homework time - he > sets a pattern and sticks to it without judgment, without attachment without > re-evaluation. Things we had previously witnessed under the umbrella of > " compulsion " . Now I am starting to have a glimpse of why he hasn't developed > those skills - or rather what he has been focusing his energy on in such a > primary way as to exclude time from developing these skills. > > In just the seven weeks since this school term started I have learned so > much about (our son with CHARGE who is senior at high school) daily > through Elliot's ('s younger brother who is now a freshman/ninth grader > at the same high school) eyes and ears. Half what Elliot sees and half what > he hears from 's classmates that are in some of Elliot's classes. Some > of it breaks my heart. One girl today asked Elliot if he was 's brother > (this story has been happening two or three times a week with different kids > approaching Elliot). She told Elliot she is in 's AP Govt class. She > also said she has been in many of his classes since seventh grade. She told > Elliot that is one of the nicest guys and is known by all the 'smart' > kids because he is such a nice and smart kid. When Elliot asked if he > knew , he wasn't sure. Elliot described her, and wasn't sure. > Elliot told the whole story, which made happy and also made him laugh, > and then said " maybe she sits in front of me. " This and other stories > like it make me realize how hard works to attend in class - to the > teacher, to the sign language translator, to keeping with physically > navigating, his physical school supplies and everything else. I really don't > know how he does it. His brace makes everything quite difficult. So after he > kneels and leans enough to get stuff out of his rolling backpack (with which > he regularly runs over other students) he had to position himself in the > chair in such a way that he can still see his paper enough to take notes yet > not be strangled too much by the brace, and also keep his head in a spot > where the FM system is giving him the least amount of static, keep his eye > on the interpreter, his eyes and ears on the teacher, his eyes on other > visual supports and his note paper. It was all consuming enough before the > brace. It's no wonder he hasn't had the time to notice that several students > have been in several classes with him each year for six years! So I chose my > words carefully - and we talked about how different 's school > experience is. How much I admire his determination and his success. How I > always knew it was a given that he works hard, and yet I felt as if for the > first time I really could feel how consuming the effort is. And I think it > opened 's eyes to the possibilities he hasn't seen. He was pleased at > least of evidence of being known and liked in a way that resonated as true. > > yuka > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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