lab tests

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April 8, 2007

Yes I would like to know the answer to this question also. Bernetta

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April 8, 2007

Who knows!! I just want to feel better. Some

could still be the withdrawal and it playing havoc on my body!!

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together

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Yes I would like to

know the answer to this question also. Bernetta

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Date: 4/8/2007 10:21:49 AM

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Subject: Re: lab tests

Silly

question, why do different labs have difference ranges? Best, Bubbe Gittel

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April 8, 2007

micki:

Can you be a little clearer about your concern with

your t4 and provide dosing information?

Thanks,

~E:)

--- micki mouster71@...> wrote:

> These are my lab tests from feb and march.

> Something is really going on

> with the T4 and I don’t get it. The lab has screwed

> up the last two tests I

> have ran there. So they didn’t run free t3 this

> time.

>

> 2/21/07

>

> TSH .004 ref .35 – 5.50

>

> T4 direct 1.11 ref: .61 – 1.76

>

> T4 (thyroxine) 8.3 ref: 4.5 - 12

>

> T3 Uptake 32 ref: 24- 39

>

> Free thyroixine index ref 2.7 ref: 1.2 – 4.9

>

> Triiodothyronine T3 213 ref: 85- 205

>

> 3/22/07

>

> EBVCA (IgG/M) 27 ref: <100 for negative

>

> EBV Ab VCA, IgG 2095 high ref: >120

>

> Triiodothyronine, free Serum 4.9 ref: 2.3 – 4.2

>

> Thyroxine (t4)free dirct, S

>

> T4, free direct 1.19 ref: .61 – 1.76

>

> TSH .005 ref: .35 – 5.50

>

> Thyroxine (t4) 8.3 ref: 4.5 – 12.0

>

> T3 uptake 32 ref: 24 – 39

>

> Free thyroxine index ref: 2.7 1.2 – 4.9

>

> Triiodothyronine (t3) 231 ref: 85 – 205

>

> I don’t feel hyper. I am having trouble sleeping,

> but that can also be the

> fact I am still in withdrawal from the

> anti-depressants. I’m not jumping

> out of my skin, my pulse is 80s/90s and my blood

> pressure is around

> 120/70s/80s. Pretty normal for me. I don’t feel

> like my heart is jumping

> out of my chest. I feel really tired. Probably the

> Epstein barr virus.

> But I’m not getting this. My T4s seem to be having

> issues. I do have

> issues swallowing, but that can also be my hiatal

> hernia, giving me that

> sensation. I do believe I will be going to get a

> scan on my thyroid.

>

> What else can be keeping my T4 low and pushing my T3

> over the top. At the

> time of this test I was taking 3 ¼ grains. OH I’m

> still losing hair. It’s

> so annoying. It starts to get thicker then next I

> start losing it again.

> Uuugghhh!! I’m so frustrated!!!

>

> Hugs

>

> micki

>

> Micki

>

> Health Eating and Living Together

>

>

>

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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April 8, 2007

Honestly E, I don't know. I've just been told the T4 should be in the top

1/3 of the range and it's not, yet my T3 is over the top. I didn't take

meds that day. So I'm figuring my body isn't converting something right.

What do the labs look like to you??

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together

Re: lab tests

micki:

Can you be a little clearer about your concern with

your t4 and provide dosing information?

Thanks,

~E:)

--- micki mouster71@...> wrote:

> These are my lab tests from feb and march.

> Something is really going on

> with the T4 and I don’t get it. The lab has screwed

> up the last two tests I

> have ran there. So they didn’t run free t3 this

> time.

>

> 2/21/07

>

> TSH .004 ref .35 – 5.50

>

> T4 direct 1.11 ref: .61 – 1.76

>

> T4 (thyroxine) 8.3 ref: 4.5 - 12

>

> T3 Uptake 32 ref: 24- 39

>

> Free thyroixine index ref 2.7 ref: 1.2 – 4.9

>

> Triiodothyronine T3 213 ref: 85- 205

>

> 3/22/07

>

> EBVCA (IgG/M) 27 ref: <100 for negative

>

> EBV Ab VCA, IgG 2095 high ref: >120

>

> Triiodothyronine, free Serum 4.9 ref: 2.3 – 4.2

>

> Thyroxine (t4)free dirct, S

>

> T4, free direct 1.19 ref: .61 – 1.76

>

> TSH .005 ref: .35 – 5.50

>

> Thyroxine (t4) 8.3 ref: 4.5 – 12.0

>

> T3 uptake 32 ref: 24 – 39

>

> Free thyroxine index ref: 2.7 1.2 – 4.9

>

> Triiodothyronine (t3) 231 ref: 85 – 205

>

> I don’t feel hyper. I am having trouble sleeping,

> but that can also be the

> fact I am still in withdrawal from the

> anti-depressants. I’m not jumping

> out of my skin, my pulse is 80s/90s and my blood

> pressure is around

> 120/70s/80s. Pretty normal for me. I don’t feel

> like my heart is jumping

> out of my chest. I feel really tired. Probably the

> Epstein barr virus.

> But I’m not getting this. My T4s seem to be having

> issues. I do have

> issues swallowing, but that can also be my hiatal

> hernia, giving me that

> sensation. I do believe I will be going to get a

> scan on my thyroid.

>

> What else can be keeping my T4 low and pushing my T3

> over the top. At the

> time of this test I was taking 3 ¼ grains. OH I’m

> still losing hair. It’s

> so annoying. It starts to get thicker then next I

> start losing it again.

> Uuugghhh!! I’m so frustrated!!!

>

> Hugs

>

> micki

>

> Micki

>

> Health Eating and Living Together

>

>

>

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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April 8, 2007

Micki:

You don't say what you are taking or how much....or if

there are other meds/supplements involved. Without

knowing this...it would be hard to give you good

insights.

I would guess that if you are not feeling perfect,

your dose isn't quite right of whatever you are

taking. Some people could have your bloods and feel

perfect...so its really a game tweaking until you

reach that sweet spot.

A goal based solely on bloods is usually not the best

approach...you see? I know it would be simpler if it

was.

One would need to know more about what you are taking

to give you a better insight.

~E:)

--- micki mouster71@...> wrote:

> Honestly E, I don't know. I've just been told the

> T4 should be in the top

> 1/3 of the range and it's not, yet my T3 is over the

> top. I didn't take

> meds that day. So I'm figuring my body isn't

> converting something right.

>

> What do the labs look like to you??

>

> hugs

>

> Micki

>

> Health Eating and Living Together

>

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/he2gether_/

>

> Re: lab tests

>

> micki:

>

> Can you be a little clearer about your concern with

> your t4 and provide dosing information?

>

> Thanks,

>

> ~E:)

>

> --- micki mouster71@...> wrote:

>

> > These are my lab tests from feb and march.

> > Something is really going on

> > with the T4 and I don’t get it. The lab has

> screwed

> > up the last two tests I

> > have ran there. So they didn’t run free t3 this

> > time.

> >

> > 2/21/07

> >

> > TSH .004 ref .35 – 5.50

> >

> > T4 direct 1.11 ref: .61 – 1.76

> >

> > T4 (thyroxine) 8.3 ref: 4.5 - 12

> >

> > T3 Uptake 32 ref: 24- 39

> >

> > Free thyroixine index ref 2.7 ref: 1.2 – 4.9

> >

> > Triiodothyronine T3 213 ref: 85- 205

> >

> > 3/22/07

> >

> > EBVCA (IgG/M) 27 ref: <100 for negative

> >

> > EBV Ab VCA, IgG 2095 high ref: >120

> >

> > Triiodothyronine, free Serum 4.9 ref: 2.3 – 4.2

> >

> > Thyroxine (t4)free dirct, S

> >

> > T4, free direct 1.19 ref: .61 – 1.76

> >

> > TSH .005 ref: .35 – 5.50

> >

> > Thyroxine (t4) 8.3 ref: 4.5 – 12.0

> >

> > T3 uptake 32 ref: 24 – 39

> >

> > Free thyroxine index ref: 2.7 1.2 – 4.9

> >

> > Triiodothyronine (t3) 231 ref: 85 – 205

> >

> > I don’t feel hyper. I am having trouble sleeping,

> > but that can also be the

> > fact I am still in withdrawal from the

> > anti-depressants. I’m not jumping

> > out of my skin, my pulse is 80s/90s and my blood

> > pressure is around

> > 120/70s/80s. Pretty normal for me. I don’t feel

> > like my heart is jumping

> > out of my chest. I feel really tired. Probably

> the

> > Epstein barr virus.

> > But I’m not getting this. My T4s seem to be

> having

> > issues. I do have

> > issues swallowing, but that can also be my hiatal

> > hernia, giving me that

> > sensation. I do believe I will be going to get a

> > scan on my thyroid.

> >

> > What else can be keeping my T4 low and pushing my

> T3

> > over the top. At the

> > time of this test I was taking 3 ¼ grains. OH I’m

> > still losing hair. It’s

> > so annoying. It starts to get thicker then next I

> > start losing it again.

> > Uuugghhh!! I’m so frustrated!!!

> >

> > Hugs

> >

> > micki

> >

> > Micki

> >

> > Health Eating and Living Together

> >

> >

> > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> >

>

> Day after day, day after day,

> We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

> As idle as a painted ship

> Upon a painted ocean.

> Water, water, everywhere,

> And all the boards did shrink;

> Water, water, everywhere,

> Nor any drop to drink.

>

> ~The Ancient Mariner

>

=== message truncated ===

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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April 8, 2007

E,

This is what I'm taking.

3 1/4 grains armour and now I'm alternating days 3 1/4 and 3 1/2 grains.

Alternate days.

Vita dophilus plus 1/4 tsp a day

l-thyrtophan 100 drops 2 x day (homeopathic version)

chamomile 30 c several a day (homeopathic)

tyler adrenal complex 2 morning 2 night (this may change this week when I

see her)

licorice 1/4 tsp a day

Rescue rememdy 10 drops 2x a day

b-complex 2 a day

multi 2 a day

Tri - efa 1 a day

Cod liver oil pill 1 a day

Whole body detox 30 drops a day (homeopathic)

Magnesium malate forte 2 a day

Cinnamon 1 a day

Tumeric 2 a day

Vitamin D3 2000 IU a day

Vitamin C 2 capsule full a day. It's a powder, not sure the Mg.

Iron (I'm anemic)

B6 1 a day

Multi mineral formula 1 a day

Vitamin A 1 a day

I think that’s all. I could be missing something.

So I'm pretty well supported. It been close to a month now that the effexor

has been stopped. I'm sure that played with my adrenals, but now I'm more

tired then ever. Not sure why. Well probably part to the Epstein barr

virus. But there has to be something else. I just want to cry right now!!!

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/he2gether_/

Re: lab tests

>

> micki:

>

> Can you be a little clearer about your concern with

> your t4 and provide dosing information?

>

> Thanks,

>

> ~E:)

>

> --- micki mouster71@...> wrote:

>

> > These are my lab tests from feb and march.

> > Something is really going on

> > with the T4 and I don’t get it. The lab has

> screwed

> > up the last two tests I

> > have ran there. So they didn’t run free t3 this

> > time.

> >

> > 2/21/07

> >

> > TSH .004 ref .35 – 5.50

> >

> > T4 direct 1.11 ref: .61 – 1.76

> >

> > T4 (thyroxine) 8.3 ref: 4.5 - 12

> >

> > T3 Uptake 32 ref: 24- 39

> >

> > Free thyroixine index ref 2.7 ref: 1.2 – 4.9

> >

> > Triiodothyronine T3 213 ref: 85- 205

> >

> > 3/22/07

> >

> > EBVCA (IgG/M) 27 ref: <100 for negative

> >

> > EBV Ab VCA, IgG 2095 high ref: >120

> >

> > Triiodothyronine, free Serum 4.9 ref: 2.3 – 4.2

> >

> > Thyroxine (t4)free dirct, S

> >

> > T4, free direct 1.19 ref: .61 – 1.76

> >

> > TSH .005 ref: .35 – 5.50

> >

> > Thyroxine (t4) 8.3 ref: 4.5 – 12.0

> >

> > T3 uptake 32 ref: 24 – 39

> >

> > Free thyroxine index ref: 2.7 1.2 – 4.9

> >

> > Triiodothyronine (t3) 231 ref: 85 – 205

> >

> > I don’t feel hyper. I am having trouble sleeping,

> > but that can also be the

> > fact I am still in withdrawal from the

> > anti-depressants. I’m not jumping

> > out of my skin, my pulse is 80s/90s and my blood

> > pressure is around

> > 120/70s/80s. Pretty normal for me. I don’t feel

> > like my heart is jumping

> > out of my chest. I feel really tired. Probably

> the

> > Epstein barr virus.

> > But I’m not getting this. My T4s seem to be

> having

> > issues. I do have

> > issues swallowing, but that can also be my hiatal

> > hernia, giving me that

> > sensation. I do believe I will be going to get a

> > scan on my thyroid.

> >

> > What else can be keeping my T4 low and pushing my

> T3

> > over the top. At the

> > time of this test I was taking 3 ¼ grains. OH I’m

> > still losing hair. It’s

> > so annoying. It starts to get thicker then next I

> > start losing it again.

> > Uuugghhh!! I’m so frustrated!!!

> >

> > Hugs

> >

> > micki

> >

> > Micki

> >

> > Health Eating and Living Together

> >

> >

> > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> >

>

> Day after day, day after day,

> We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

> As idle as a painted ship

> Upon a painted ocean.

> Water, water, everywhere,

> And all the boards did shrink;

> Water, water, everywhere,

> Nor any drop to drink.

>

> ~The Ancient Mariner

>

=== message truncated ===

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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April 8, 2007

Micki:

Thanks for laying that all out!

Wow...okay. NOW....lets first tell you that as you may

know theories about all this stuff abound and that we

all tend to champion our own position, meaning....if

one person takes all synthroid...THEY think that this

is right....they guy who takes all Armour...thinks

that is the " ONLY WAY. "

The same goes for adrenal support, supplements, ranges

and so on. AS if its not darned complicated enough,

we have all these countering opinions and you just

want to get well and get back to life. So...I'm with

ya.

I have found that its not so cut and dry and there

seems to be some strident opinions in some articles

and some boards that can get you lurching around like

a jack-rabbit, because you don't really know what is

causing what. Right? You can't help but agree that

certain things sound plausible...but you don't know

for sure so you go along with it.

OKAY...... I tend to be one that says, we need to

take things slow and question the assumptions.

I look at your lowish t4 and see that you simply

aren't getting enough from the Armour. THAT is

normal. The ratio for people is incorrect..so this

happens a lot...and even before you told me for sure

you were on Armour...I'd pretty much guessed it.

ITS tell-tale armour bloods. SAME thing happened to

me and NO....I never felt good with a jutted out t3

and a lowish t4. In fact, I was lethargic and had lot

of headaches, and brain fog. WHEN...I took ADRENAL

support..I got even worse! Some purport this to be

the best thing, but I found that I was not energized

at all. I simply was a pained limp rag doll.

EVEN..though I spent many years trying to take

different forms....I found that it just didn't help,

EVEN though it was apparent from what everyone said

and still says that I REALLY need it. I found that it

only confused me more.

NOW...I have sworn off the adrenal stuff.

Decided to just focus on getting the thyroid stuff

worked out first.

Not saying you should...but its important to give

yourself the permission to admit it to yourself that

if it doesn't seem to do all that is promised-- then

its okay to not take it.

SEE? Everything you add to your daily cocktail does

matter and will influence what you can take and how

much thryoid replacement you can take.

In an endeavor to fix this same bloods layout you

have, I finally decided to add some straight t4 to my

Armour. Now....My t4 is in a much better place and my

t3 isn't making me all tired. Too much t3 will do

that to anyone if its high enough...EVEN if you are

still hypo. EVEN and especially in my opinion if you

also take " Adrenal Support. " '

Please be wise, and you will get out of this illness!

Peace and light!

~E:)

--- micki mouster71@...> wrote:

> E,

>

> This is what I'm taking.

>

> 3 1/4 grains armour and now I'm alternating days 3

> 1/4 and 3 1/2 grains.

> Alternate days.

>

> Vita dophilus plus 1/4 tsp a day

> l-thyrtophan 100 drops 2 x day (homeopathic version)

> chamomile 30 c several a day (homeopathic)

> tyler adrenal complex 2 morning 2 night (this may

> change this week when I

> see her)

> licorice 1/4 tsp a day

> Rescue rememdy 10 drops 2x a day

> b-complex 2 a day

> multi 2 a day

> Tri - efa 1 a day

> Cod liver oil pill 1 a day

> Whole body detox 30 drops a day (homeopathic)

> Magnesium malate forte 2 a day

> Cinnamon 1 a day

> Tumeric 2 a day

> Vitamin D3 2000 IU a day

> Vitamin C 2 capsule full a day. It's a powder, not

> sure the Mg.

> Iron (I'm anemic)

> B6 1 a day

> Multi mineral formula 1 a day

> Vitamin A 1 a day

>

> I think that’s all. I could be missing something.

>

> So I'm pretty well supported. It been close to a

> month now that the effexor

> has been stopped. I'm sure that played with my

> adrenals, but now I'm more

> tired then ever. Not sure why. Well probably part

> to the Epstein barr

> virus. But there has to be something else. I just

> want to cry right now!!!

>

> hugs

>

> Micki

>

> Health Eating and Living Together

>

http://games.yahoo.com/games/front

>

> Re: lab tests

> >

> > micki:

> >

> > Can you be a little clearer about your concern

> with

> > your t4 and provide dosing information?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > ~E:)

> >

> > --- micki mouster71@...> wrote:

> >

> > > These are my lab tests from feb and march.

> > > Something is really going on

> > > with the T4 and I don’t get it. The lab has

> > screwed

> > > up the last two tests I

> > > have ran there. So they didn’t run free t3 this

> > > time.

> > >

> > > 2/21/07

> > >

> > > TSH .004 ref .35 – 5.50

> > >

> > > T4 direct 1.11 ref: .61 – 1.76

> > >

> > > T4 (thyroxine) 8.3 ref: 4.5 - 12

> > >

> > > T3 Uptake 32 ref: 24- 39

> > >

> > > Free thyroixine index ref 2.7 ref: 1.2 – 4.9

> > >

> > > Triiodothyronine T3 213 ref: 85- 205

> > >

> > > 3/22/07

> > >

> > > EBVCA (IgG/M) 27 ref: <100 for negative

> > >

> > > EBV Ab VCA, IgG 2095 high ref: >120

> > >

> > > Triiodothyronine, free Serum 4.9 ref: 2.3 –

> 4.2

> > >

> > > Thyroxine (t4)free dirct, S

> > >

>

=== message truncated ===

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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April 8, 2007

Amen to everything you said here, but I'm looking at that L-Tryptophan she's

taking and wondering if she shouldn't be taking that at all and maybe she

doesn't have a serotonin problem at all. So many doctors like to make this

assumption about the serotonin. This is obviously why she was taking an

SSRI, formerly, but it's simply been changed to the natural direct form,

L-Tryptophan, as though this is still a problem with her. Maybe it's not,

maybe that's where the tiredness is coming from, oversleeping, etc....but

who would know for sure without it being in the bloods. I'm of the opinion

that the cortisol bloods and saliva tests given at around about the same

time (both, mind you) do tend to prove each other, but when you are as many

of these meds (natural or not) that she's on, you won't know what's what

beCAUSE you're on so many of them at the same time. Seems to me that if you

are low in cortisol, then you take cortisone (which is what it is). This

round about stuff of building things up with other things, to me, is

nonsense, as if the person were going to be able to make this substance on

their own or by conversion from something else, then their body would

already be doing it. Natural doesn't always mean better, when it comes to

some things, and this stuff about " homeopathic " doesn't necessarily fly with

me. I took all Armour til I got into 4 months upward of 2 grains, and it

was then that my body let me know that I was never intended to have a T3

this high, or else maybe my body damage or age was letting me know that it

could no longer tolerate a T3 this high. Her came the 160 pulse,

nonrelenting, and I felt horrible. Armour is a great product, but it just

may need a load of T4 added to it, whether we like that notion of taking

synthetic or not, it may be the key, but then again, it may not. It is so

hard from person to person to know.

RE: lab tests

Micki:

Thanks for laying that all out!

Wow...okay. NOW....lets first tell you that as you may

know theories about all this stuff abound and that we

all tend to champion our own position, meaning....if

one person takes all synthroid...THEY think that this

is right....they guy who takes all Armour...thinks

that is the " ONLY WAY. "

The same goes for adrenal support, supplements, ranges

and so on. AS if its not darned complicated enough,

we have all these countering opinions and you just

want to get well and get back to life. So...I'm with

ya.

I have found that its not so cut and dry and there

seems to be some strident opinions in some articles

and some boards that can get you lurching around like

a jack-rabbit, because you don't really know what is

causing what. Right? You can't help but agree that

certain things sound plausible...but you don't know

for sure so you go along with it.

OKAY...... I tend to be one that says, we need to

take things slow and question the assumptions.

I look at your lowish t4 and see that you simply

aren't getting enough from the Armour. THAT is

normal. The ratio for people is incorrect..so this

happens a lot...and even before you told me for sure

you were on Armour...I'd pretty much guessed it.

ITS tell-tale armour bloods. SAME thing happened to

me and NO....I never felt good with a jutted out t3

and a lowish t4. In fact, I was lethargic and had lot

of headaches, and brain fog. WHEN...I took ADRENAL

support..I got even worse! Some purport this to be

the best thing, but I found that I was not energized

at all. I simply was a pained limp rag doll.

EVEN..though I spent many years trying to take

different forms....I found that it just didn't help,

EVEN though it was apparent from what everyone said

and still says that I REALLY need it. I found that it

only confused me more.

NOW...I have sworn off the adrenal stuff.

Decided to just focus on getting the thyroid stuff

worked out first.

Not saying you should...but its important to give

yourself the permission to admit it to yourself that

if it doesn't seem to do all that is promised-- then

its okay to not take it.

SEE? Everything you add to your daily cocktail does

matter and will influence what you can take and how

much thryoid replacement you can take.

In an endeavor to fix this same bloods layout you

have, I finally decided to add some straight t4 to my

Armour. Now....My t4 is in a much better place and my

t3 isn't making me all tired. Too much t3 will do

that to anyone if its high enough...EVEN if you are

still hypo. EVEN and especially in my opinion if you

also take " Adrenal Support. " '

Please be wise, and you will get out of this illness!

Peace and light!

~E:)

--- micki mouster71@...> wrote:

> E,

>

> This is what I'm taking.

>

> 3 1/4 grains armour and now I'm alternating days 3

> 1/4 and 3 1/2 grains.

> Alternate days.

>

> Vita dophilus plus 1/4 tsp a day

> l-thyrtophan 100 drops 2 x day (homeopathic version)

> chamomile 30 c several a day (homeopathic)

> tyler adrenal complex 2 morning 2 night (this may

> change this week when I

> see her)

> licorice 1/4 tsp a day

> Rescue rememdy 10 drops 2x a day

> b-complex 2 a day

> multi 2 a day

> Tri - efa 1 a day

> Cod liver oil pill 1 a day

> Whole body detox 30 drops a day (homeopathic)

> Magnesium malate forte 2 a day

> Cinnamon 1 a day

> Tumeric 2 a day

> Vitamin D3 2000 IU a day

> Vitamin C 2 capsule full a day. It's a powder, not

> sure the Mg.

> Iron (I'm anemic)

> B6 1 a day

> Multi mineral formula 1 a day

> Vitamin A 1 a day

>

> I think that's all. I could be missing something.

>

> So I'm pretty well supported. It been close to a

> month now that the effexor

> has been stopped. I'm sure that played with my

> adrenals, but now I'm more

> tired then ever. Not sure why. Well probably part

> to the Epstein barr

> virus. But there has to be something else. I just

> want to cry right now!!!

>

> hugs

>

> Micki

April 8, 2007

>

> These are my lab tests from feb and march. Something is really

going on

> with the T4 and I don't get it. The lab has screwed up the last

two tests I

> have ran there. So they didn't run free t3 this time.

>

> 2/21/07

>

> TSH .004 ref .35 – 5.50

>

> T4 direct 1.11 ref: .61 – 1.76

>

> T4 (thyroxine) 8.3 ref: 4.5 - 12

>

> T3 Uptake 32 ref: 24- 39

>

> Free thyroixine index ref 2.7 ref: 1.2 – 4.9

>

> Triiodothyronine T3 213 ref: 85- 205

>

> 3/22/07

>

> EBVCA (IgG/M) 27 ref: <100 for negative

>

> EBV Ab VCA, IgG 2095 high ref: >120

>

> Triiodothyronine, free Serum 4.9 ref: 2.3 – 4.2

>

> Thyroxine (t4)free dirct, S

>

> T4, free direct 1.19 ref: .61 – 1.76

>

> TSH .005 ref: .35 – 5.50

>

> Thyroxine (t4) 8.3 ref: 4.5 – 12.0

>

> T3 uptake 32 ref: 24 – 39

>

> Free thyroxine index ref: 2.7 1.2 – 4.9

>

> Triiodothyronine (t3) 231 ref: 85 – 205

>

Thyroid

There are 2 types of thyroid hormones easily measurable in the blood,

thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3). For technical reasons, it

is easier and less expensive to measure the T4 level, so T3 is

usually not measured on screening tests.

Please be clear on which test you are looking at. We continue to see

a tremendous amount of confusion among doctors, nurses, lab techs,

and patients on which test is which. In particular, the " Total

T3 " , " Free T3 " and " T3 Uptake tests " are very confusing, and are not

the same test.

Thyroxine (T4) . This shows the total amount of the T4. High levels

may be due to hyperthyroidism, however technical artifact occurs when

estrogen levels are higher from pregnancy, birth control pills or

estrogen replacement therapy. A Free T4 (see below) can avoid this

interference.

T3 Resin Uptake or Thyroid Uptake. This is a test that confuses

doctors, nurses, and patients. First, this is not a thyroid test, but

a test on the proteins that carry thyroid around in your blood

stream. Not only that, a high test number may indicate a low level of

the protein! The method of reporting varies from lab to lab. The

proper use of the test is to compute the free thyroxine index.

Free Thyroxine Index (FTI or T7) : A mathematical computation allows

the lab to estimate the free thyroxine index from the T4 and T3

Uptake tests. The results tell us how much thyroid hormone is free in

the blood stream to work on the body. Unlike the T4 alone, it is not

affected by estrogen levels.

Free T4 : This test directly measures the free T4 in the blood rather

than estimating it like the FTI. It is a more reliable , but a little

more expensive test. Some labs now do the Free T4 routinely rather

than the Total T4.

Total T3: This is usually not ordered as a screening test, but rather

when thyroid disease is being evaluated. T3 is the more potent and

shorter lived version of thyroid hormone. Some people with high

thyroid levels secrete more T3 than T4. In these (overactive)

hyperthyroid cases the T4 can be normal, the T3 high, and the TSH

low. The Total T3 reports the total amount of T3 in the bloodstream,

including T3 bound to carrier proteins plus freely circulating T3.

Free T3: This test measures only the portion of thyroid hormone T3

that is " free " , that is, not bound to carrier proteins.

Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) : This protein hormone is secreted

by the pituitary gland and regulates the thyroid gland. A high level

suggests your thyroid is underactive, and a low level suggests your

thyroid is overactive.

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Hope this helps you take a better look at your labs..

Non of the labs say FT4 or FT3..but using the index and totals they

are more or less just questimates..the T4 direct I would assume to be

accurate but I do not see where the T3 is free..and having estrogen

and other hormones bounds the T3..

You really need to see if the T3 is a Free T3 or a total or a guess

from using the index etc.

Kats3boys

April 8, 2007

>

> Silly question, why do different labs have difference ranges? Best,

Bubbe

> Gittel************************************** See

what's free at

> http://www.aol.com.

>

Labs have different ranges because of a few reasons..one is being the

standards set by the equipment they are using, another is units of

measurement and the fun one is the reference ranges.. each testing unit

does a random test on what is considered normal subjects..this creates

the reference ranges..then also labs will adjust the ranges to show

more of a demographic range..so they get a norm for the testing that

they do.

Kats3boys

April 9, 2007

Triiodothyronine, free Serum 4.9 ref: 2.3 - 4.2 this lab is the free T3

at least that is what labcorp says it is. The local hospital uses the

same terminology.

I wish I could go to quest again, but my insurance does not allow it and I

just can't afford to pay for all these labtests myself.

My dtr ran all the tests that is supposed to be ran. Labcorp keeps screwing

up!! I'm getting really annoyed. Labcorp also seems to use the different

names for their labs.

hugs

Micki

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