PAGING MARY SMITH FOR HELP :)

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HI — you are GREAT with number crunching this stuff and have helped me

before.

can I hit you up for some advice on what I need to do to " tweak " just a bit?

I had labs drawn last week. I will give the background first then the numbers:

Hashimotos/hypo with goiter since 2002.

had radioactive uptake scan and ultrasounds, no nodules.

on levoxyl .88 to start back then.

fast forward to:

12/06 labs, on: 135 mg Armour (1.5 of a 90 mg pill) no meds taken prior to draw

TSH: .52 range: (.5-5.50) <--not updated values for this lab

obviously!

T3F: 393 range: 230-420 <--love it, good energy

T4F: .9 range: (.8-1.8) <--don't like it, gaining weight or not

losing

so, I switched back to levoxyl/cytomel since she would not up my armour and I

would run

out so I went back to cyto/levo plus it's 1/4th the cost.

3/07 labs .112 Levoxyl and 15 mcg of Cytomel no meds taken prior to draw

TSH: 1.23 range: (.5-5.50) <--not updated values for this lab

obviously!

T3F: 271 range: 230-420 <--love it, good energy

T4F: 1.0 range: (.8-1.8) <--don't like it, gaining weight or not

losing

I want to UP my T3F to at least 350 and get my TSH under 1.

I was thinking of adding 1/4 of the 90 mg armour tabs I have left... what would

that do?

thanks! sue

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The trouble with these mathematical things is that we don't know what it

would do to YOU, as opposed to someone else, as you know it's so individual,

but anyway----this wouldn't even be a 1/2 grain raise (22.5 mgs, instead of

the 1/2 grain, which is 30 mgs of Armour). But it might be a good starting

point. I kind of doubt that this small increase would raise your T3 up into

the desired range (for you), or raise your T4 that much, as this would only

be raising your T4 roughly to around what? 12 to 15 mcgs or so? And then

the T3 would be raised up roughly only about what?? 2 to 3 mcgs or so??

This would also be considering that you are going to convert some of that

little bit of T4 to T3 to add to what you've increased with straight T3, and

all this would depend on whether you are a good converter to T3, plus if

your body cells are utilizing it all properly. That's not much of a raise,

but then we need to start slow anyway. My question would be How are you

going to make this last, once you get it up higher, if he won't prescribe

any more Armour, or maybe with this doc it is either/or, but not all 3 meds?

To be economical and to use up the Armour, this would probably work, but

then what do you do after the Armour runs out? IMO, and if I did better on

the T4/T3 synthetic combo, then I'd be raising THESE two ever so slightly,

instead of confusing the issue and adding the Armour, as you're only going

to have to do away with the Armour, when you run out. What do you think

that 25 mcgs of T4 added, along with just 5 mcgs of synthetic T3 would do?

For YOU (who seems to do really better on this synthetic combo), it would

seem the most logical, that is, if you are really feeling better on this

combo. You're not having any other symptoms, right? No nervousness, high

pulse, overheated, chest pain, or any of that? What is this doctor willing

to do in upping your dose of the T4 and the synethetic T3? Anything I did

(if it were me), I would do very slowly over time.

PAGING MARY SMITH FOR HELP

HI - you are GREAT with number crunching this stuff and have helped me

before.

can I hit you up for some advice on what I need to do to " tweak " just a bit?

I had labs drawn last week. I will give the background first then the

numbers:

Hashimotos/hypo with goiter since 2002.

had radioactive uptake scan and ultrasounds, no nodules.

on levoxyl .88 to start back then.

fast forward to:

12/06 labs, on: 135 mg Armour (1.5 of a 90 mg pill) no meds taken prior to

draw

TSH: .52 range: (.5-5.50) <--not updated values for this lab

obviously!

T3F: 393 range: 230-420 <--love it, good energy

T4F: .9 range: (.8-1.8) <--don't like it, gaining weight or

not losing

so, I switched back to levoxyl/cytomel since she would not up my armour and

I would run

out so I went back to cyto/levo plus it's 1/4th the cost.

3/07 labs .112 Levoxyl and 15 mcg of Cytomel no meds taken prior to draw

TSH: 1.23 range: (.5-5.50) <--not updated values for this lab

obviously!

T3F: 271 range: 230-420 <--love it, good energy

T4F: 1.0 range: (.8-1.8) <--don't like it, gaining weight or

not losing

I want to UP my T3F to at least 350 and get my TSH under 1.

I was thinking of adding 1/4 of the 90 mg armour tabs I have left... what

would that do?

thanks! sue

[Guest guest]

Hi mary,

Good answer and i have thought about it, but today she wrote me a script for

exactly what

i asked for.

My plans of increasing on my own and then going back to her seem to work - the

numbers convince her most.

In any case i thought the armour would be easier to add back in since it would

be t4 and

t3 in one shot but i am not adverse to doing it witht he levo/cyto.

i just wonder if a dash of armour won't hurt for the t1 and t2.... i just

ordered a 3 month

supply of the 90 mg cuz i had an old script for it that actually expires next

week so i

would be good to go for almost a year this way.

i will think on it - so what is a good amount to raise slowly with T4?

25mcg at a time?

thanks again,

sue

>

> The trouble with these mathematical things is that we don't know what it

> would do to YOU, as opposed to someone else, as you know it's so individual,

> but anyway----this wouldn't even be a 1/2 grain raise (22.5 mgs, instead of

> the 1/2 grain, which is 30 mgs of Armour). But it might be a good starting

> point. I kind of doubt that this small increase would raise your T3 up into

> the desired range (for you), or raise your T4 that much, as this would only

> be raising your T4 roughly to around what? 12 to 15 mcgs or so? And then

> the T3 would be raised up roughly only about what?? 2 to 3 mcgs or so??

> This would also be considering that you are going to convert some of that

> little bit of T4 to T3 to add to what you've increased with straight T3, and

> all this would depend on whether you are a good converter to T3, plus if

> your body cells are utilizing it all properly. That's not much of a raise,

> but then we need to start slow anyway. My question would be How are you

> going to make this last, once you get it up higher, if he won't prescribe

> any more Armour, or maybe with this doc it is either/or, but not all 3 meds?

> To be economical and to use up the Armour, this would probably work, but

> then what do you do after the Armour runs out? IMO, and if I did better on

> the T4/T3 synthetic combo, then I'd be raising THESE two ever so slightly,

> instead of confusing the issue and adding the Armour, as you're only going

> to have to do away with the Armour, when you run out. What do you think

> that 25 mcgs of T4 added, along with just 5 mcgs of synthetic T3 would do?

> For YOU (who seems to do really better on this synthetic combo), it would

> seem the most logical, that is, if you are really feeling better on this

> combo. You're not having any other symptoms, right? No nervousness, high

> pulse, overheated, chest pain, or any of that? What is this doctor willing

> to do in upping your dose of the T4 and the synethetic T3? Anything I did

> (if it were me), I would do very slowly over time.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that, as said, it would probably be a small 25 mcg increase with the

T4, but adding back some more T3 would probably help too, if you're feeling

well on that 350 lab result, not the lower one.

Re: PAGING MARY SMITH FOR HELP

> Hi mary,

>

> Good answer and i have thought about it, but today she wrote me a script

> for exactly what

> i asked for.

> My plans of increasing on my own and then going back to her seem to work -

> the

> numbers convince her most.

> In any case i thought the armour would be easier to add back in since it

> would be t4 and

> t3 in one shot but i am not adverse to doing it witht he levo/cyto.

> i just wonder if a dash of armour won't hurt for the t1 and t2.... i just

> ordered a 3 month

> supply of the 90 mg cuz i had an old script for it that actually expires

> next week so i

> would be good to go for almost a year this way.

> i will think on it - so what is a good amount to raise slowly with T4?

> 25mcg at a time?

>

> thanks again,

> sue

[Guest guest]

yeah, ok. I think I am converting cuz I upped my t4 and lowered my t3 meds from the last draw and my t3F did go up a bit which I think means I AM converting.

I am gonna go with adding .25 mcg of levo and see what happens....

thanks!

Sue

I think that, as said, it would probably be a small 25 mcg increase with the

T4, but adding back some more T3 would probably help too, if you're feeling

well on that 350 lab result, not the lower one.

Re: PAGING MARY SMITH FOR HELP

> Hi mary,

>

> Good answer and i have thought about it, but today she wrote me a script

> for exactly what

> i asked for.

> My plans of increasing on my own and then going back to her seem to work -

> the

> numbers convince her most.

> In any case i thought the armour would be easier to add back in since it

> would be t4 and

> t3 in one shot but i am not adverse to doing it witht he levo/cyto.

> i just wonder if a dash of armour won't hurt for the t1 and t2.... i just

> ordered a 3 month

> supply of the 90 mg cuz i had an old script for it that actually expires

> next week so i

> would be good to go for almost a year this way.

> i will think on it - so what is a good amount to raise slowly with T4?

> 25mcg at a time?

>

> thanks again,

> sue

[Guest guest]

> 3/07 labs .112 Levoxyl and 15 mcg of Cytomel no meds taken prior to

draw

>

> TSH: 1.23 range: (.5-5.50) <--not updated values for

this lab obviously!

> T3F: 271 range: 230-420 <--love it, good energy

> T4F: 1.0 range: (.8-1.8) <--don't like it, gaining

weight or not losing

>

> I want to UP my T3F to at least 350 and get my TSH under 1.

> I was thinking of adding 1/4 of the 90 mg armour tabs I have

left... what would that do?

>

>

> thanks! sue

Not sure if I would add any extra T3 without increasing the T4

first..adding Armour will give you the extra t3 to feel good and help

supress the TSH.. but in the amounts you are taking it would do very

little for the T4..I would think increasing the T4 would help raise

the T3 and then lower the TSH.

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