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Hi, everyone,

The good news is that I finally was able to see an endocrinologist

and am being treated for my goiter for the first time since I was

diagnosed in 2000.

The bad news is that I feel worse. I'm sleeping all day - I get up

at 8 am, and fall asleep by 9 am, sleep until 11 am, fall asleep

again by noon, up at 2:30 pm, then I'm up until 2 am.

I'm also more depressed. Yesterday I felt like my life wasn't worth

living like this. What good am I to anyone like this? (I'm married

with 4 kids at home.) Thankfully, that only lasted 1/2 hour, but

overall I am more discouraged.

I take Cymbalta (60 mg before bed) for the depression and Ambien CR

(12.5 mg before bed) for the Cymbalta-induced insomnia. I'm

diabetic and take 1000 mg of Glucophage XR in the morning with food

(working up to 2000 mg). I just started Synthroid 3 weeks ago, I

took 50 mcg (1/2 hour before breakfast) the first week and have

taken 75 mcg (1/2 hour before breakfast) for the past 2 weeks.

I don't have any test results yet. I just had blood drawn 3 weeks

ago at my first appointment, and will get those results in 3 more

weeks at my next appointment.

Is the Synthroid increasing the effects of the Ambien? Or is this

just an adjustment phase? I know it's very early in treatment, but

I'm alone with my 4 year old all day and I can't continue sleeping

all day.

Thanks for any help!

Jodi

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It take our bodies about 4 to 6 weeks to adjust to a change in dosage

with thyroid hormone, that includes when you first start on it. So aiming

for labs 4 to 6 weeks, 6 is better, after a dosage adjustment is what you

are aiming for.

It's gonna take some time for your body to adjust to the addition of the

hormone, and most likely you will need more increase. The key is

patience, and it's HARD to have it when all you can think about is

getting your life back.

There are some things that you can do to help a bit with your energy

levels, but don't expect them to make you marathon ready!!!

It has helped me a lot to do mini meals. Small balanced meals that are

eaten every 3 to 4 hours. This will keep your blood sugar more even, and

also increase your bodes ability to convert the T4 hormone that you are

taking (Synthroid) into the T3 hormone that your body needs to function.

Its also important not to skip meals.

Try to avoid meals that are high carb or high sugar, you may already be

doing that...but it's a good thing to say to remind everyone, balance

carbs and sugars with complex carbs, proteins and fats.. the simple

analogy is to thing of a fire. If you get the fire started and only feed

it small twigs and leaves it will burn fast and hot and then be out of

fuel and die. If you get it started with the twigs and leaves to get it

burning and then add bigger twigs, sticks and then logs, it will burn

more steadily and for a LOT longer... the complex carbs, fats and

proteins are your sticks and logs. They will keep your energy up longer

and keep you from having the short surge of energy and then crashing in

an exhausted lump.

Your difficulty sleeping at night and the sleeping all day can be a

couple of things,my first suspicion is that your adrenals are on the

fatigued side. If that is so starting on the Synthroid probably made it a

bit worse, and upping the dose after only a week made it that much worse

again. Your body needs time to adjust to getting the hormone back into

it...

The depression.. that's all part of being hypo... once your thyroid

hormone levels come up to where they need to be that depression lessens

and tends to go away.

What is your diagnosis, the reason that you are hypo and needing to take

thyroid hormone?

Topper ()

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:48:08 -0000 " jlwitz " jlwitz@...> writes:

> Hi, everyone,

>

> The good news is that I finally was able to see an endocrinologist

> and am being treated for my goiter for the first time since I was

> diagnosed in 2000.

>

> The bad news is that I feel worse. I'm sleeping all day - I get up

> at 8 am, and fall asleep by 9 am, sleep until 11 am, fall asleep

> again by noon, up at 2:30 pm, then I'm up until 2 am.

> I'm also more depressed. Yesterday I felt like my life wasn't worth

> living like this. What good am I to anyone like this? (I'm married

> with 4 kids at home.) Thankfully, that only lasted 1/2 hour, but

> overall I am more discouraged.

>

> I take Cymbalta (60 mg before bed) for the depression and Ambien CR

> (12.5 mg before bed) for the Cymbalta-induced insomnia. I'm

> diabetic and take 1000 mg of Glucophage XR in the morning with food

> (working up to 2000 mg). I just started Synthroid 3 weeks ago, I

> took 50 mcg (1/2 hour before breakfast) the first week and have

> taken 75 mcg (1/2 hour before breakfast) for the past 2 weeks.

> I don't have any test results yet. I just had blood drawn 3 weeks

> ago at my first appointment, and will get those results in 3 more

> weeks at my next appointment.

>

> Is the Synthroid increasing the effects of the Ambien? Or is this

> just an adjustment phase? I know it's very early in treatment, but

> I'm alone with my 4 year old all day and I can't continue sleeping

> all day.

>

> Thanks for any help!

>

> Jodi

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Jodi

Never take the Synthroid any less than a full hour before meals, or it won't

be absorbed properly. Also, if you're eating high calcium foods for

breakfast, even more time should elapse. How long have you been on the

Cymbalta, but particularly the Ambien. It is a sleep med, with all the

early morning ramifications of a sleep med, i.e., hangover, and I don't care

what the drug reps say, they all have a hang over effect, or at least a

second or third-pass sleepy period. Waiting for your test results.

Why am I worse?

> Hi, everyone,

>

> The good news is that I finally was able to see an endocrinologist

> and am being treated for my goiter for the first time since I was

> diagnosed in 2000.

>

> The bad news is that I feel worse. I'm sleeping all day - I get up

> at 8 am, and fall asleep by 9 am, sleep until 11 am, fall asleep

> again by noon, up at 2:30 pm, then I'm up until 2 am.

>

> I'm also more depressed. Yesterday I felt like my life wasn't worth

> living like this. What good am I to anyone like this? (I'm married

> with 4 kids at home.) Thankfully, that only lasted 1/2 hour, but

> overall I am more discouraged.

>

> I take Cymbalta (60 mg before bed) for the depression and Ambien CR

> (12.5 mg before bed) for the Cymbalta-induced insomnia. I'm

> diabetic and take 1000 mg of Glucophage XR in the morning with food

> (working up to 2000 mg). I just started Synthroid 3 weeks ago, I

> took 50 mcg (1/2 hour before breakfast) the first week and have

> taken 75 mcg (1/2 hour before breakfast) for the past 2 weeks.

>

> I don't have any test results yet. I just had blood drawn 3 weeks

> ago at my first appointment, and will get those results in 3 more

> weeks at my next appointment.

>

> Is the Synthroid increasing the effects of the Ambien? Or is this

> just an adjustment phase? I know it's very early in treatment, but

> I'm alone with my 4 year old all day and I can't continue sleeping

> all day.

>

> Thanks for any help!

>

> Jodi

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Hey, Topper,

Thanks for the reply :) And the encouragement. It is hard to wait.

I knew there should be some reaction in 6 weeks, since he wanted me

back then. But I feel worse this week than I did last week, and

last week was worse than the week before :(

One thing that I am doing is skipping lunch. I had complained about

not being able to get this extra 60 pounds off, and he said the

synthroid and glucophage would kill my appetite. I took that to

mean it was ok to only eat when I was hungry. Which is about every

12 hours, but I'm still not losing weight :(

I like your analogy of the fire and sticks and leaves :) I'll have

to write that down somewhere.

I'm being treated for a goiter. It was found in 2000, but I

couldn't continue seeing that doctor, and no other doctor was

concerned about it, or my symptoms. Since it has been growing and

I've been feeling worse, I decided to see an endocrinologist on my

own. He agreed that we shouldn't just sit around and watch it grow.

Thanks again!

Jodi

>

> It take our bodies about 4 to 6 weeks to adjust to a change in

dosage

> with thyroid hormone, that includes when you first start on it. So

aiming

> for labs 4 to 6 weeks, 6 is better, after a dosage adjustment is

what you

> are aiming for.

>

> It's gonna take some time for your body to adjust to the addition

of the

> hormone, and most likely you will need more increase. The key is

> patience, and it's HARD to have it when all you can think about is

> getting your life back.

>

> There are some things that you can do to help a bit with your

energy

> levels, but don't expect them to make you marathon ready!!!

>

> It has helped me a lot to do mini meals. Small balanced meals that

are

> eaten every 3 to 4 hours. This will keep your blood sugar more

even, and

> also increase your bodes ability to convert the T4 hormone that

you are

> taking (Synthroid) into the T3 hormone that your body needs to

function.

> Its also important not to skip meals.

>

> Try to avoid meals that are high carb or high sugar, you may

already be

> doing that...but it's a good thing to say to remind everyone,

balance

> carbs and sugars with complex carbs, proteins and fats.. the simple

> analogy is to thing of a fire. If you get the fire started and

only feed

> it small twigs and leaves it will burn fast and hot and then be

out of

> fuel and die. If you get it started with the twigs and leaves to

get it

> burning and then add bigger twigs, sticks and then logs, it will

burn

> more steadily and for a LOT longer... the complex carbs, fats and

> proteins are your sticks and logs. They will keep your energy up

longer

> and keep you from having the short surge of energy and then

crashing in

> an exhausted lump.

>

> Your difficulty sleeping at night and the sleeping all day can be a

> couple of things,my first suspicion is that your adrenals are on

the

> fatigued side. If that is so starting on the Synthroid probably

made it a

> bit worse, and upping the dose after only a week made it that much

worse

> again. Your body needs time to adjust to getting the hormone back

into

> it...

>

> The depression.. that's all part of being hypo... once your thyroid

> hormone levels come up to where they need to be that depression

lessens

> and tends to go away.

>

> What is your diagnosis, the reason that you are hypo and needing

to take

> thyroid hormone?

>

> Topper ()

>

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Hi, ,

Thanks for the suggestions - I think I can arrange to take the

Synthroid earlier. I eat cereal and milk for breakfast - what would

be considered high calcium?

I've been on Cymbalta for 7 months and the Ambien for 6 months. As

long as I get 6 hours of sleep, I don't experience that hung over

feeling. That's why I was wondering about the Synthroid

exacerbating symptoms.

Thanks again,

Jodi

>

> Jodi

>

> Never take the Synthroid any less than a full hour before meals,

or it won't

> be absorbed properly. Also, if you're eating high calcium foods

for

> breakfast, even more time should elapse. How long have you been

on the

> Cymbalta, but particularly the Ambien. It is a sleep med, with

all the

> early morning ramifications of a sleep med, i.e., hangover, and I

don't care

> what the drug reps say, they all have a hang over effect, or at

least a

> second or third-pass sleepy period. Waiting for your test results.

>

>

>

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If you're having high calcium or iron foods for breakfast, then I would wait

about 3 hrs to eat. I was under the impression that you're not feeling well

and thought that maybe one of these meds was involved with that, especially

since you are hypothyroid.

Re: Why am I worse?

> Hi, ,

>

> Thanks for the suggestions - I think I can arrange to take the

> Synthroid earlier. I eat cereal and milk for breakfast - what would

> be considered high calcium?

>

> I've been on Cymbalta for 7 months and the Ambien for 6 months. As

> long as I get 6 hours of sleep, I don't experience that hung over

> feeling. That's why I was wondering about the Synthroid

> exacerbating symptoms.

>

> Thanks again,

>

> Jodi

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, What is your suggestion for breakfast when you are waiting an hour. Thankyou, Bernetta

-- Re: Re: Why am I worse?

If you're having high calcium or iron foods for breakfast, then I would wait

about 3 hrs to eat. I was under the impression that you're not feeling well

and thought that maybe one of these meds was involved with that, especially

since you are hypothyroid.

Re: Why am I worse?

> Hi, ,

>

> Thanks for the suggestions - I think I can arrange to take the

> Synthroid earlier. I eat cereal and milk for breakfast - what would

> be considered high calcium?

>

> I've been on Cymbalta for 7 months and the Ambien for 6 months. As

> long as I get 6 hours of sleep, I don't experience that hung over

> feeling. That's why I was wondering about the Synthroid

> exacerbating symptoms.

>

> Thanks again,

>

> Jodi

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This is exactly why I take my thyroid hormone in the evening, so that I can have more play with that time. I have a strange scedule when it comes to food, as I'm strictly a night worker, lol. When I come in, in the mornings, I may be having veggies and meat, yet having a bowl of cereal for "supper", as the "normal" world calls it, or maybe an egg with toast. I would definitely not take a calcium supplement, as in a pill form, that close to thyroid meds. It really isn't hard for me to wait that hour, as I have absolutely NO appetite when I wake, not for hrs.

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, What is your suggestion for breakfast when you are waiting an hour. Thankyou, Bernetta

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