Re: advice -- revisited - Judy

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Judy,

So are you saying if a site is privately owned it is no good? Lets get real here.....Just because it says MD after someones name or website doesn't mean they know it all, after all isn't that why we are all on this board? Doctor's don' t know everything !! TAKING iron if you don't really need it IS dangerous !!! Can you agree with that? Have you read that anywhere? Some of the low iron symptoms mimic thyroid problems. If your thyroid is messed up you need to be especially careful. I would also be interested in what page of the iron overload site brought you to the conclusion that the whole sites,"Viewpoints presented are very one sided"?

Maybe we should just throw out all our medications, vitamins & minerals & grow our own food & distill our own water & all our problems will disappear...lol..? Actually that is what we should be doing, if you grow your own foods & buy organic & no more pre-prossessed, pre-packaged food, alot of problems vanish, but that's not possible for all of us to do, so here we sit debating which is the right trail to follow? So it all goes back to do as you see fit for your own body & HOPEFULLY everyone will take the time to do research on their own!! Truth of the mater is, the answers are all out there but doctors don't know about them because the big pharmaceutical companies want us in the dark. On another group one of the ladies had a brother that worked for a pharmaceutical company & she posted an inside memo. Did you know the definition of a successful drug? It is one they can keep you on for the rest of your life whether it kills you or not. I'm getting pissed off just thinking about it.

Cindy Sue

-- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group , "OA - JudyP" wrote:>> My last ferritin was 146. That website you mention is not a medical one. It's privately owned and operated and the viewpoints presented are very one sided.> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > I did a new search on low ferritin levels & still didn't see anything saying ferritin should be at 50. Palmas other iron levels are pretty good. I did read some stuff on stop the thyroid madness they say iron levels should be higher if you have thyroid problems.>

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Cindy, not taking iron when you do need it is

dangerous too.

Many of us here have had low ferritin levels. In fact

it is one of the first things you should have checked

if fatigue continues and especially if you are losing

hair.

You clearly feel passionately about this issue but I

don't know anyone who has suffered iron overload. I do

know lots of people who have needed iron supplements

from time to time. If I hadn't had them when I was

pregnant I would not have survived giving birth.

Taking them again over the last few months has stopped

my hair loss and encouraged new hair growth.

I had my ferritin level tested, it was very low. I'm

not going to take iron supplements forever, just until

my levels normalise.

Hypothyroid people sometimes have lots of other health

issues that prevent full recovery, anaemia is often

amongst them. The advice given on this group is to get

ferritin level tested. No one, as far as I remember,

has ever said go and self medicate with iron without a

blood test first.

--- Cindy abigpurplediamond@...> wrote:

>

> Judy,

> So are you saying if a site is privately owned it

> is no good? Lets get

> real here.....Just because it says MD after someones

> name or website

> doesn't mean they know it all, after all isn't that

> why we are all on

> this board? Doctor's don' t know everything !!

> TAKING iron if you don't

> really need it IS dangerous !!! Can you agree with

> that? Have you read

> that anywhere? Some of the low iron symptoms mimic

> thyroid problems. If

> your thyroid is messed up you need to be especially

> careful. I would

> also be interested in what page of the iron overload

> site brought you to

> the conclusion that the whole sites, " Viewpoints

> presented are very one

> sided " ? Maybe we should just throw out all our

> medications, vitamins &

> minerals & grow our own food & distill our own water

> & all our problems

> will disappear...lol..? Actually that is what we

> should be doing, if you

> grow your own foods & buy organic & no more

> pre-prossessed, pre-packaged

> food, alot of problems vanish, but that's not

> possible for all of us to

> do, so here we sit debating which is the right

> trail to follow? So it

> all goes back to do as you see fit for your own body

> & HOPEFULLY

> everyone will take the time to do research on their

> own!! Truth of the

> mater is, the answers are all out there but doctors

> don't know about

> them because the big pharmaceutical companies want

> us in the dark. On

> another group one of the ladies had a brother that

> worked for a

> pharmaceutical company & she posted an inside memo.

> Did you know the

> definition of a successful drug? It is one they can

> keep you on for the

> rest of your life whether it kills you or not. I'm

> getting pissed off

> just thinking about it. Cindy Sue

> -- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group , " OA

> - JudyP "

> wrote:

> >

> > My last ferritin was 146. That website you mention

> is not a medical

> one. It's privately owned and operated and the

> viewpoints presented are

> very one sided.

> >

> >

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------\

> --------

> >

> > I did a new search on low ferritin levels & still

> didn't see anything

> saying ferritin should be at 50. Palmas other iron

> levels are pretty

> good. I did read some stuff on stop the thyroid

> madness they say iron

> levels should be higher if you have thyroid

> problems.

> >

>

>

>

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Sorry I forgot to sign this,

--- knodgery@...> wrote:

> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:10:11 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Subject: Re: Re: advice

> -- revisited - Judy

> To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>

> Cindy, not taking iron when you do need it is

> dangerous too.

> Many of us here have had low ferritin levels. In

> fact

> it is one of the first things you should have

> checked

> if fatigue continues and especially if you are

> losing

> hair.

> You clearly feel passionately about this issue but I

> don't know anyone who has suffered iron overload. I

> do

> know lots of people who have needed iron supplements

> from time to time. If I hadn't had them when I was

> pregnant I would not have survived giving birth.

> Taking them again over the last few months has

> stopped

> my hair loss and encouraged new hair growth.

> I had my ferritin level tested, it was very low. I'm

> not going to take iron supplements forever, just

> until

> my levels normalise.

> Hypothyroid people sometimes have lots of other

> health

> issues that prevent full recovery, anaemia is often

> amongst them. The advice given on this group is to

> get

> ferritin level tested. No one, as far as I remember,

> has ever said go and self medicate with iron without

> a

> blood test first.

>

>

>

>

> --- Cindy abigpurplediamond@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Judy,

> > So are you saying if a site is privately owned

> it

> > is no good? Lets get

> > real here.....Just because it says MD after

> someones

> > name or website

> > doesn't mean they know it all, after all isn't

> that

> > why we are all on

> > this board? Doctor's don' t know everything !!

> > TAKING iron if you don't

> > really need it IS dangerous !!! Can you agree with

> > that? Have you read

> > that anywhere? Some of the low iron symptoms mimic

> > thyroid problems. If

> > your thyroid is messed up you need to be

> especially

> > careful. I would

> > also be interested in what page of the iron

> overload

> > site brought you to

> > the conclusion that the whole sites, " Viewpoints

> > presented are very one

> > sided " ? Maybe we should just throw out all our

> > medications, vitamins &

> > minerals & grow our own food & distill our own

> water

> > & all our problems

> > will disappear...lol..? Actually that is what we

> > should be doing, if you

> > grow your own foods & buy organic & no more

> > pre-prossessed, pre-packaged

> > food, alot of problems vanish, but that's not

> > possible for all of us to

> > do, so here we sit debating which is the right

> > trail to follow? So it

> > all goes back to do as you see fit for your own

> body

> > & HOPEFULLY

> > everyone will take the time to do research on

> their

> > own!! Truth of the

> > mater is, the answers are all out there but

> doctors

> > don't know about

> > them because the big pharmaceutical companies want

> > us in the dark. On

> > another group one of the ladies had a brother that

> > worked for a

> > pharmaceutical company & she posted an inside

> memo.

> > Did you know the

> > definition of a successful drug? It is one they

> can

> > keep you on for the

> > rest of your life whether it kills you or not. I'm

> > getting pissed off

> > just thinking about it. Cindy Sue

> > -- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group ,

> " OA

> > - JudyP "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > My last ferritin was 146. That website you

> mention

> > is not a medical

> > one. It's privately owned and operated and the

> > viewpoints presented are

> > very one sided.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------\

> > --------

> > >

> > > I did a new search on low ferritin levels &

> still

> > didn't see anything

> > saying ferritin should be at 50. Palmas other iron

> > levels are pretty

> > good. I did read some stuff on stop the thyroid

> > madness they say iron

> > levels should be higher if you have thyroid

> > problems.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I give up.....I never said to self medicate, I have ALWAYS said, get tests BE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING !!! Don't blindly trust a doctor & take action for your own protection. Take responsibilty for your own body it's the only one you will have , if the doc is wrong tell him so. Make him do the tests YOU want !! Get on your computers & do your own research cause your doctor sure won't do it for you.

I think I will become a learker for awhile as it seems I am not doing to well at getting the proper message accross. Too much of anything is not good & too little is not good either. Here is a thought, some of you say your thyroid levels test say you should be just fine according to the doc...right...? & your body tells you otherwise. So what are you doing? Believeing the doc & doing what he says or on here trying to figure out what to do to get healthy? For the 10th time os so, get tests, read them, check your symptoms, don't take stuff you haven't resesearched & do what feels right for YOUR body, BUT KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS MAY BE RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH ! ok I Think I covered it all now....lol....

Cindy Sue

>> Cindy, not taking iron when you do need it is> dangerous too.> Many of us here have had low ferritin levels. In fact> it is one of the first things you should have checked> if fatigue continues and especially if you are losing> hair. > You clearly feel passionately about this issue but I> don't know anyone who has suffered iron overload. I do> know lots of people who have needed iron supplements> from time to time. If I hadn't had them when I was> pregnant I would not have survived giving birth.> Taking them again over the last few months has stopped> my hair loss and encouraged new hair growth.> I had my ferritin level tested, it was very low. I'm> not going to take iron supplements forever, just until> my levels normalise.> Hypothyroid people sometimes have lots of other health> issues that prevent full recovery, anaemia is often> amongst them. The advice given on this group is to get> ferritin level tested. No one, as far as I remember,> has ever said go and self medicate with iron without a> blood test first.> > > >

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Cindy Sue, let's get a grip. First of all, if I wanted to say that the thyroid site was no good, I would say just that. That information was obviously not for you, since you were the one promoting it, again. The information was a caution for others who may or may not seek out that website. What I said was that that site is independently owned an operated and the views are one sided. In saying that, I was being generous, diplomatic and kind. I have no idea what libel and slander laws pertain to these loops, so I'm not going into detail with the experience that I had with the group associated with that website, and quite frankly, I don't believe in pushing my ideas on other people anyway. I stated a fact and the rest is up to the rest. I also did not say that every website associated with an MD is one worth checking into either. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not getting into the iron debate, because quite frankly I don't care about it at the moment. I will say that I have plenty and so it's not something that I've researched either way. I did not agree or disagree with anything you said about iron, so don't tell me that I did. I also did not make one comment about the iron overload site, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you should read my post again and you'll see the only one mentioned is the thyroid site.

You're preaching to the choir about the pharmaceutical companies. If you have a soapbox to stand on, that's entirely your business, but please don't use my one liners as an excuse to do it.

You can get pissed off all you want, but don't get pissed off at me.

So are you saying if a site is privately owned it is no good? Lets get real here.....Just because it says MD after someones name or website doesn't mean they know it all, after all isn't that why we are all on this board? Doctor's don' t know everything !!

I would also be interested in what page of the iron overload site brought you to the conclusion that the whole sites,"Viewpoints presented are very one sided"?

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So do you think you're the only one here with enough sense to do this? I find your posts very insulting.

For the 10th time os so, get tests, read them, check your symptoms, don't take stuff you haven't resesearched & do what feels right for YOUR body, BUT KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS MAY BE RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH ! ok I Think I covered it all now....lol....

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Judy,

Maybe you need to reread what I wrote? I "didn't put words in your mouth" I asked a question which you so easliy skirted around a direct answer. If you don't care about iron why did you say anything to begin with....? By The Way I have a very FIRM GRIP....lol.... . Also, I said I was mad at the drug companies not YOU, I sooo enjoy a little heated debate once in awhile.....

Cindy Sue

>> Cindy Sue, let's get a grip. First of all, if I wanted to say that the thyroid site was no good, I would say just that. That information was obviously not for you, since you were the one promoting it, again. The information was a caution for others who may or may not seek out that website. What I said was that that site is independently owned an operated and the views are one sided. In saying that, I was being generous, diplomatic and kind. I have no idea what libel and slander laws pertain to these loops, so I'm not going into detail with the experience that I had with the group associated with that website, and quite frankly, I don't believe in pushing my ideas on other people anyway. I stated a fact and the rest is up to the rest. I also did not say that every website associated with an MD is one worth checking into either. Please don't put words in my mouth. > > I'm not getting into the iron debate, because quite frankly I don't care about it at the moment. I will say that I have plenty and so it's not something that I've researched either way. I did not agree or disagree with anything you said about iron, so don't tell me that I did. I also did not make one comment about the iron overload site, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you should read my post again and you'll see the only one mentioned is the thyroid site.> > You're preaching to the choir about the pharmaceutical companies. If you have a soapbox to stand on, that's entirely your business, but please don't use my one liners as an excuse to do it.> > You can get pissed off all you want, but don't get pissed off at me.> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > So are you saying if a site is privately owned it is no good? Lets get real here.....Just because it says MD after someones name or website doesn't mean they know it all, after all isn't that why we are all on this board? Doctor's don' t know everything !! > > I would also be interested in what page of the iron overload site brought you to the conclusion that the whole sites,"Viewpoints presented are very one sided"?>

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Cindy, are you kidding me? I didn't skirt anything. Most of your questions were rhetorical, were they not?

Anyway, one more time, you made a plug for stop the thyroid madness again, and I stated my views about that website. I did not make one mention about iron, or the iron website. What is it about this that you can't understand. What question do you think I skirted? Let's see if I can address them one at a time, slowly so that you can catch it and then maybe you can see where you were making assumptions on my part, which I happen to call 'putting words in my mouth'. Here are answers to every sentence with a question mark, so that I can make my position clearer for you.

So are you saying if a site is privately owned it is no good? No, I did not say that.

Just because it says MD after someone's name or website doesn't mean they know it all, after all isn't that why we are all on this board? No, that's not why I'm here. I've had some good docs and some not so good, but that's my business. I'm here to learn not to doctor bash because it's a useless waste of my time.

TAKING iron if you don't really need it IS dangerous !!! Can you agree with that? As I stated in my last post, I neither agree or disagree with this statement because it's not something that I've researched. I personally research everything before I take it and I don't take anything that I don't need.

Have you read that anywhere? No, and I did not say that I did. My post did not contain anything about iron.

I would also be interested in what page of the iron overload site brought you to the conclusion that the whole sites,"Viewpoints presented are very one sided"? I did not make one reference to the 'iron overload site' as I posted in my last email. I have not been there, and I have no intentions of going there. Do you get that my message was not about iron?

Maybe we should just throw out all our medications, vitamins & minerals & grow our own food & distill our own water & all our problems will disappear...lol..? That's awfully drastic isn't it. I would not be doing that myself, but feel free.

Actually that is what we should be doing, if you grow your own foods & buy organic & no more pre-processed, pre-packaged food, alot of problems vanish, but that's not possible for all of us to do, so here we sit debating which is the right trail to follow? I'm not sure if there is a question here, but there is a question mark and I don't want to skirt anything. Personally, I buy mostly organic foods and very little if any processed and packaged foods. That is my personal preference. I'm not debating anyone's trail to follow. I have mine, and I share it when asked, but otherwise it's only my business.

Did you know the definition of a successful drug? Yes, I know big pharma's definition of a successful drug.

Any more questions????? Cindy, if you are ESL, please let me know and I will sincerely apologize. I made a successful career of communicating and so I can't figure out why you're having such a hard time, but this is not the first time that you have misread one of my posts and gone off about something else entirely. In fact, I think the last one probably started for the same reason. Are you a member of the email loop associated with that website? If not, then maybe I do know a little more about it than you do. Cheers... Judy

It is one they can keep you on for the rest of your life whether it kills you or not. I'm getting pissed off just thinking about it.

Maybe you need to reread what I wrote? I "didn't put words in your mouth" I asked a question which you so easily skirted around a direct answer. If you don't care about iron why did you say anything to begin with....?

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Judy,

YOU find MY post insulting?!?! You made a successful career at communications... I find that rather funny. You really need to reread my original post or maybe it was the second one? Because you thought I was "plugging" the stop the thyroid madness site. I was NOT, in fact the little piece I read was the ONLY time I ever visited that site. I was & still am plugging the www.IRONOVERLOAD.org site . I will say I liked how you answered the last email, that is the same way I used to answer people to be sure I didn't miss a question.

"this is not the first time that you have misread one of my posts and gone off about something else entirely"

I really don't think I have GONE OFF about something else. I have stuck to the topic....IRON.... you are the one "going off", you apparently had a problem on the STTM site & it clouded your view for a bit

Cindy, if you are ESL, please let me know and I will sincerely apologize.

You have got to be kidding me here? ESL, I don't think so & you say I am insulting...look in the mirror & you'll see who's insulting. I believe my post was pretty clear at the beginning until you stuck your nose in it.....

Cindy Sue

P.S. would anyone care to chime in here & let me know if I was not clear?

>> Cindy, are you kidding me? I didn't skirt anything. Most of your questions were rhetorical, were they not?> > Anyway, one more time, you made a plug for stop the thyroid madness again, and I stated my views about that website. I did not make one mention about iron, or the iron website. What is it about this that you can't understand. What question do you think I skirted? Let's see if I can address them one at a time, slowly so that you can catch it and then maybe you can see where you were making assumptions on my part, which I happen to call 'putting words in my mouth'. Here are answers to every sentence with a question mark, so that I can make my position clearer for you.<snip>

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this back and forth among people is ridiculous. why does this happen?? i truly appreciate your information on Ironoverload and i'm glad you brought it up. i think everyone has a right to their own opinion, theory, outlook and people should not discount it. there are people on the Thyroid site that are having the same problem about an iodine discussion. it's weird to me, i just stay out of it. i can't help responding to this one though because the original email was intended to me. hope you guys settle this quick.Cindy wrote: Judy, YOU find MY post insulting?!?! You made a successful career at communications... I find that rather funny. You really need to reread my original post or maybe it was the second one? Because you thought I was "plugging" the stop the thyroid madness site. I was NOT, in fact the little piece I read was the ONLY time I ever visited that site. I was & still am plugging the www.IRONOVERLOAD.org site . I will say I liked how you answered the last email, that is the same way I used to answer people

to be sure I didn't miss a question. "this is not the first time that you have misread one of my posts and gone off about something else entirely" I really don't think I have GONE OFF about something else. I have stuck to the topic....IRON.... you are the one "going off", you apparently had a problem on the STTM site & it clouded your view for a bit Cindy, if you are ESL, please let me know and I will sincerely apologize. You have got to be kidding me here? ESL, I don't think so & you say I am insulting...look in the mirror & you'll see who's insulting. I believe my post was pretty clear at the beginning until you stuck your nose in it..... Cindy Sue P.S. would anyone care to chime in here & let me know if I was not clear? >> Cindy, are you kidding me? I didn't skirt anything. Most of your questions were rhetorical, were they not?> > Anyway, one more time, you made a plug for stop the thyroid madness again, and I stated my views about that website. I did not make one mention about iron, or the iron website. What is it about this that you can't understand. What question do you think I skirted? Let's see if I can address them one at a time, slowly so that you can catch it and then maybe you can see where you were making

assumptions on my part, which I happen to call 'putting words in my mouth'. Here are answers to every sentence with a question mark, so that I can make my position clearer for you.<snip>

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OKAY....now you guys finally got me. What is ESL?

~E:)

>

> Cindy, if you are ESL, please let me know and I

> will sincerely

> apologize.

>

>

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ESL is English as a Second Language. I was puzzled at first to but I, "did my research"....ROTFLMAO... How are those nieghbors doing?

Cindy Sue

>> OKAY....now you guys finally got me. What is ESL?> > ~E:)>

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No worries. I'm done. You'd think I'd know better. Sorry for dragging the group along with me.

hope you guys settle this quick.

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Palma,

These things happen because we are all human & some people "think" they know more then others. Some times people misread stuff because they are thinking from a different point of view. Some think the world is black & white & some know it is in color. I just like to keep in mind everyone has a brain & sometimes it is good to stir the pot so to speak to help motivate others to take a stand. See, Judy & I are outspoken women & some of us on this board need to see you can argue & not kill each other...lol. Maybe it will help one of our more timid readers be just a tad stronger when she really needs to be at the doctors office?

Cindy Sue

>> this back and forth among people is ridiculous. why does this happen?? i truly appreciate your information on Ironoverload and i'm glad you brought it up. i think everyone has a right to their own opinion, theory, outlook and people should not discount it. there are people on the Thyroid site that are having the same problem about an iodine discussion. it's weird to me, i just stay out of it. i can't help responding to this one though because the original email was intended to me. hope you guys settle this quick.

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well, i did ask a doctor about this iron overload thing and she said that it is only a concern for those that have hemachromatosis ...which is rare disease but that your info is correct if you have it. She said that a ferritin level is more important than total iron etc,.....and is seen with autoimmune disorders etc....so getting a ferritin level near 100 is the goal when you don't have hemachromatosis. so this is just a doctor's view again. definitely don't want to stir the pot but thought that i would mention what i heard.Cindy wrote: Palma, These things happen because we are all human & some people "think" they know more then others. Some times people misread stuff because they are thinking from a different point of view. Some think the world is black & white & some know it is in color. I just like to keep in mind everyone has a brain & sometimes it is good to stir the pot so to speak to help motivate others to take a stand. See, Judy & I are outspoken women & some of us on this board need to see you can argue & not kill each other...lol. Maybe it will help one of our more timid readers be just a tad stronger when she really needs to be at the doctors office? Cindy Sue >> this back and forth among people is ridiculous. why does this happen?? i truly appreciate your information on Ironoverload and i'm glad you brought it up. i think everyone has a right to their own opinion, theory, outlook and people should not discount it. there are people on the Thyroid site that are having the same problem about an iodine discussion. it's weird to me, i just stay out of it. i can't help responding to this one though because the original email was intended to me. hope you guys settle this quick.

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