Question for Topper - or anyone who knows !

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Hi there,

It probably should have occured to me to wonder about this before, but it

didn't !

About the TSH - one tends to think of it as just a number on a lab report,

but it is a real hormone. So, what I'm wondering is does this hormone have

any effect on the body, apart from the thyroid ? Does having too much of the

stuff in our blood, because our thyroids can't respond, contribute to making

us feel lousey ? Or, if we have very low TSH, does any other part of our

body - like the brain, for instance - feel the lack ? Is TSH necessary for

our well-being, apart from stimulating thyroid hormone production ?

I'm not sure if that's clear, feeling a bit brain-fogged at the moment, just

have to wait and see what sort of answers I get - if any ! lol And sorry if

it sounds like a stupid question, but it's been bothering me a bit lately.

Most hormones, after all, have multiple effects on us.

Thanks for any information,

Lili

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Hi, I don't think this is a stupid question at all. I've also

wondered about this, not sure anyone has a definitive answer, but I

bet lots of thyroid patients will tell you that when TSH is elevated

they have tons of symptoms, have to wonder what impact the TSH itself

has on certain tissues? The dogma that is endocrinology, would

probably laugh at us but I don't doubt anything as possible in this

ordeal we call life as a thyroid patient. Just getting a doc to

accept and work with you is the challenge.

Sure wish someone would develop gene therapy, or a better way to

regulate this more closely.

>

> Hi there,

>

> It probably should have occured to me to wonder about this before,

but it

> didn't !

>

> About the TSH - one tends to think of it as just a number on a lab

report,

> but it is a real hormone. So, what I'm wondering is does this

hormone have

> any effect on the body, apart from the thyroid ? Does having too

much of the

> stuff in our blood, because our thyroids can't respond, contribute

to making

> us feel lousey ? Or, if we have very low TSH, does any other part of

our

> body - like the brain, for instance - feel the lack ? Is TSH

necessary for

> our well-being, apart from stimulating thyroid hormone production ?

>

> I'm not sure if that's clear, feeling a bit brain-fogged at the

moment, just

> have to wait and see what sort of answers I get - if any ! lol And

sorry if

> it sounds like a stupid question, but it's been bothering me a bit

lately.

> Most hormones, after all, have multiple effects on us.

>

> Thanks for any information,

>

> Lili

>

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[Guest guest]

Ah, but a better way to regulate this has been developed ! The trouble is,

the main body of endocrinology does not want to accept it. That is why so

many doctors in Europe (and probably in the US too, but I don't know) are

being persecuted and struck off. And what we're fighting for in Europe is

the acceptance of these new ways. But it's going to be a long hard struggle

! And who do we have to thank for this struggle ? The almighty drug

companies !!! The are the ones who saw thyroid disease as a chance to cash

in big time. And now we are all suffering for it. And, IMHO, things are

going to get worse. More and more people are developping this disease. And

who do we have to thank for that ? Processed food companies ! And people

that have that have convinced us - through advertising etc. - that poisons

like fluoride and soy are actually good for us !!!

OK, I'll stop ! But once I get going... lol

Lili

>Hi, I don't think this is a stupid question at all. I've also

>wondered about this, not sure anyone has a definitive answer, but I

>bet lots of thyroid patients will tell you that when TSH is elevated

>they have tons of symptoms, have to wonder what impact the TSH itself

>has on certain tissues? The dogma that is endocrinology, would

>probably laugh at us but I don't doubt anything as possible in this

>ordeal we call life as a thyroid patient. Just getting a doc to

>accept and work with you is the challenge.

>Sure wish someone would develop gene therapy, or a better way to

>regulate this more closely.

>

>

> >

> > Hi there,

> >

> > It probably should have occured to me to wonder about this before,

>but it

> > didn't !

> >

> > About the TSH - one tends to think of it as just a number on a lab

>report,

> > but it is a real hormone. So, what I'm wondering is does this

>hormone have

> > any effect on the body, apart from the thyroid ? Does having too

>much of the

> > stuff in our blood, because our thyroids can't respond, contribute

>to making

> > us feel lousey ? Or, if we have very low TSH, does any other part of

>our

> > body - like the brain, for instance - feel the lack ? Is TSH

>necessary for

> > our well-being, apart from stimulating thyroid hormone production ?

> >

> > I'm not sure if that's clear, feeling a bit brain-fogged at the

>moment, just

> > have to wait and see what sort of answers I get - if any ! lol And

>sorry if

> > it sounds like a stupid question, but it's been bothering me a bit

>lately.

> > Most hormones, after all, have multiple effects on us.

> >

> > Thanks for any information,

> >

> > Lili

> >

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>

>

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I've wondered this myself, so a lookin' we will go!

Question for Topper - or anyone who

knows !

Hi there,

It probably should have occured to me to wonder about this before, but it

didn't !

About the TSH - one tends to think of it as just a number on a lab report,

but it is a real hormone. So, what I'm wondering is does this hormone have

any effect on the body, apart from the thyroid ? Does having too much of the

stuff in our blood, because our thyroids can't respond, contribute to making

us feel lousey ? Or, if we have very low TSH, does any other part of our

body - like the brain, for instance - feel the lack ? Is TSH necessary for

our well-being, apart from stimulating thyroid hormone production ?

I'm not sure if that's clear, feeling a bit brain-fogged at the moment, just

have to wait and see what sort of answers I get - if any ! lol And sorry if

it sounds like a stupid question, but it's been bothering me a bit lately.

Most hormones, after all, have multiple effects on us.

Thanks for any information,

Lili

[Guest guest]

It seems to me that it can't be good for anyone to have a surplus of any one

hormone floating round their body ! Given that there is a fine balance

between the hormones, surely the excess of one will diminish another. Or

maybe TSH is an exception to the rule. I just don't know... I've looked in

my 'hormone bible', but whilst it listed all other known hormones, it

doesn't touch on TSH.

If I can get hold of my specialist (doubtful ! lol), I'll ask him - if I can

make him understand the question in French ! lol

Lili

>

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>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >

>Subject: Re: Question for Topper - or anyone

>who knows !

>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:43:53 -0500

>

>I've wondered this myself, so a lookin' we will go!

>

>

>

> Question for Topper - or anyone who

>knows !

>

>

>Hi there,

>

>It probably should have occured to me to wonder about this before, but it

>didn't !

>

>About the TSH - one tends to think of it as just a number on a lab report,

>but it is a real hormone. So, what I'm wondering is does this hormone have

>any effect on the body, apart from the thyroid ? Does having too much of

>the

>stuff in our blood, because our thyroids can't respond, contribute to

>making

>us feel lousey ? Or, if we have very low TSH, does any other part of our

>body - like the brain, for instance - feel the lack ? Is TSH necessary for

>our well-being, apart from stimulating thyroid hormone production ?

>

>I'm not sure if that's clear, feeling a bit brain-fogged at the moment,

>just

>have to wait and see what sort of answers I get - if any ! lol And sorry if

>it sounds like a stupid question, but it's been bothering me a bit lately.

>Most hormones, after all, have multiple effects on us.

>

>Thanks for any information,

>

>Lili

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I wish we had spot testers for Free T3 like diabetics have for spot

testing blood sugar... we could directly see what foods and stressors

affect us, could take additional T3 during 'rough' spots to compensate

for what our bodies can't just do automatically anymore.... but as long

as we make the medical industry sooo much money, that will never

happen... sigh....

Topper ()

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:49:52 -0000 " grrich2763 " grrich2763@...>

writes:

> Hi, I don't think this is a stupid question at all. I've also

> wondered about this, not sure anyone has a definitive answer, but I

> bet lots of thyroid patients will tell you that when TSH is

> elevated

> they have tons of symptoms, have to wonder what impact the TSH

> itself

> has on certain tissues? The dogma that is endocrinology, would

> probably laugh at us but I don't doubt anything as possible in this

> ordeal we call life as a thyroid patient. Just getting a doc to

> accept and work with you is the challenge.

> Sure wish someone would develop gene therapy, or a better way to

> regulate this more closely.

>

[Guest guest]

The sad part is that it's not a 'new' therapy that is being introduced..

that the docs are being persecuted for... it's a return to the standard

of treatment before Synthetic T4 and TSH testing....

In the 'old days' docs treated by symptoms and basals, adjusting the dose

to relieve the symptoms and return the person to a quality of life....

the docs that do that today are said to be 'over dosing' their

patients....

arrgghh... shutting up now or I'll go on another rant!!!! hehehehehe

For all the years that I was dealing with docs my symptoms increased to

the point where I couldnt' even walk on my own and was in CONSTANT pain.

I mean the kind of pain that is so bad that you sit in a chair at night

deciding which is worse, going without sleep tonight or going to bed and

waking up with your rib cage hurting more in the morning that it does

tonight. The kind of pain where you can't put on a shirt without tears in

your eyes and you can't twist your torso enough to wipe your own butt.

The kind of pain that makes you stop eating and drinking cuz to do either

hurts worse than it's worth, that means that to get up for a glass of

water and then again later to pee isn't worth the hurt that it causes so

you go without. Yeah. that's how bad I was... all while under the care of

docs who said that my levels were just fine and it was all in my head.

So I start treating myself with natural thyroid, self monitoring basals

and symptoms and adjusting meds, like it was done for decades... and I no

longer have constant pain, no longer need crutches to walk... what does

that say? What does it say when those HUGE symptoms are gone and I'm on

less than 1/4 of the hormone than the docs had me on.. just a different

form?

When I had to cut my dosage back this last year when I couldn't get more

meds, when I ran out last fall... now that I'm back on... I was able to

watch as symptoms returned, and increased in severity, and now watch as

they ease up and start on that road of 'gone away'.. not there yet...

need my dose to be much higher (see, I understand how frustrating it is

to do adjustments slowly... I'm going through that all AGAIN now as I

bring my levels back up). What does that say?

To me.. though I'm just a dumb 'uses thyroid as an excuse for everything'

type person... it says that these symptoms are directly linked to thyroid

hormone levels, easy to see in my case because my gland was killed off,

my body is acting solely on what I am taking .... and you can clearly see

it's a simple case of getting the levels up to a point where the

individual body is able to function normally.

duh.

Fluoride and soy... two sore subjects for me.... two instances where a by

product of the manufacturing of other products became too expensive to

dispose of so they figured out a way to sell it to be used in the human

population.. after all... doesn't it make more sense to sell your garbage

then to pay someone to take it away?

Topper ()

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:17:42 +0200 " liliane wise " lililiz@...>

writes:

> Ah, but a better way to regulate this has been developed ! The

> trouble is,

> the main body of endocrinology does not want to accept it. That is

> why so

> many doctors in Europe (and probably in the US too, but I don't

> know) are

> being persecuted and struck off. And what we're fighting for in

> Europe is

> the acceptance of these new ways. But it's going to be a long hard

> struggle

> ! And who do we have to thank for this struggle ? The almighty drug

> companies !!! The are the ones who saw thyroid disease as a chance

> to cash

> in big time. And now we are all suffering for it. And, IMHO, things

> are

> going to get worse. More and more people are developping this

> disease. And

> who do we have to thank for that ? Processed food companies ! And

> people

> that have that have convinced us - through advertising etc. - that

> poisons

> like fluoride and soy are actually good for us !!!

>

> OK, I'll stop ! But once I get going... lol

>

> Lili