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I haven't read much of these posts and might be off topic yet I think it's

important for me to share a bit. Throughout Patty's life we have struggled to

find her assistance and help from services and programs for the deaf blind

with ONLY Perkins being beneficial. I will forever sing praises of Perkins

deaf blind programs and those housed there. Yet in our personal experiences

they have been the only ones who helped Patty reach her true potential without

harming her inner being as well. Actually that's where she learned to love

herself. I must say all the other programs Patty was involved with were

minimal at best. The adult deaf blind programs she's experienced have had

little

understanding of the uniqueness of CHARGE and have been absolutely negative

for her. They not only helped Patty be Disabled they almost destroyed Patty's

" Self. "

I have to add that for the last few months we are now traveling down a

different road.

The people, programs and services that Patty is now connected with are

within the Deaf Community. Sure she is still deaf blind and needing services

from

her state provider yet there's so much more happening here. Although Patty

has numerous disabilities, although she is oral, and although she is unique

she has totally been accepted and valued as a person in her own right by all

individuals who are deaf or within the deaf services and programs. Yes they

do not know much about CHARGE but all are incredibly open to learning. And

they are open to learning by no other reason but to enjoy Patty.

This has been such a positive and enlightening experience for her and we are

looking beautifully at her future due to all this.

Not only that, Patty has found true companionship. She is now included in

the deaf community with open arms by all-not controlling as she found in the

adult deaf blind community.

All these experiences have been a blessing as we found out a few days ago

that Patty lost more hearing. She isn't upset but is comforted in that she

knows her life will still be wonderful anyway.

I'll share more later yet I wanted to share Patty's positive experiences.

We should have gone down this road a long time ago. A long, long time ago.

Bonnie, Mom to Kris 23, Patty CHARGE 21 and wife to

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Bonnie wrote: " Yes they do not know much about CHARGE but all are

incredibly open to learning. And

they are open to learning by no other reason but to enjoy Patty. "

How great that they are willing to learn to enjoy her! Not because they

" have to " for an educational requirement. That goes far to building true

friendships for Patty. That must be thrilling to contemplate!

Friends in CHARGE,

Marilyn Ogan

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bonne you know i do want to meet you both one day maybe you all need to come

to aus LOL eather that or ill get my cousin in laws mum or sis to get me

soem vegimite and store it yeah thats it ill make them take it over there

then they can hoard it and she can let them no when to break it loose

>

> Bonnie wrote: " Yes they do not know much about CHARGE but all are

> incredibly open to learning. And

> they are open to learning by no other reason but to enjoy Patty. "

> How great that they are willing to learn to enjoy her! Not because they

> " have to " for an educational requirement. That goes far to building true

> friendships for Patty. That must be thrilling to contemplate!

>

> Friends in CHARGE,

>

> Marilyn Ogan

>

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Dear Bonnie,

You and I share a simalar experience. Watching function in

both the hearing and the deaf world I have to say that he seems to

exist happier within the deaf community. He is afforded more indept

and more fluidity in communication with others who are deaf.

Something else that came from his existence within deaf culture is

that my signing, though not expert, improved tremendously with

increased socializing with other who are deaf. Before 's house I

was very exact english in my sign and voiced. I was told real quick

by the ASL deaf that my signing was very confusing. Though I fought

the change in the beginnning I find and I do better when I

don't speak and allow myself to be more expressive ASL in my signing.

I am still in a place where I can sign much better than I can

understand. When first meeting new people who are deaf it takes me

awhile to catch on. With , Greg, and Debra I can acually pick up

on their sign before some of the interpreters which comes, of course,

from my knowing them so well.

I feel sad when I see not being comfortable with hearing

people, exspecally extended family. When we go out with

others who are hearing I sometimes find myself signing with ,

not voicing, then realizing that we have been excluding hearing

family all together. Not that we intent it. Then I realize how it is

for when everyone is talking. Sometime I feel exhausted after

an outing because I've had to be switching back and forth between

signing to and speaking for other family members who can't

sign. also wants me to act as his interpreter and to keep all

my focus on him so I have to keep reminding him that I'm not a paid

interpreter but his mother. LOL Still I am happy with my

relationship with my son. I have a loving relationship with all three

of my kids but there is a special closeness with .

mom to (31)

>

> I haven't read much of these posts and might be off topic yet I

think it's

> important for me to share a bit. Throughout Patty's life we have

struggled to

> find her assistance and help from services and programs for the

deaf blind

> with ONLY Perkins being beneficial. I will forever sing praises

of Perkins

> deaf blind programs and those housed there. Yet in our personal

experiences

> they have been the only ones who helped Patty reach her true

potential without

> harming her inner being as well. Actually that's where she

learned to love

> herself. I must say all the other programs Patty was involved

with were

> minimal at best. The adult deaf blind programs she's experienced

have had little

> understanding of the uniqueness of CHARGE and have been absolutely

negative

> for her. They not only helped Patty be Disabled they almost

destroyed Patty's

> " Self. "

>

> I have to add that for the last few months we are now traveling

down a

> different road.

>

> The people, programs and services that Patty is now connected with

are

> within the Deaf Community. Sure she is still deaf blind and

needing services from

> her state provider yet there's so much more happening here.

Although Patty

> has numerous disabilities, although she is oral, and although she

is unique

> she has totally been accepted and valued as a person in her own

right by all

> individuals who are deaf or within the deaf services and

programs. Yes they

> do not know much about CHARGE but all are incredibly open to

learning. And

> they are open to learning by no other reason but to enjoy Patty.

>

> This has been such a positive and enlightening experience for her

and we are

> looking beautifully at her future due to all this.

>

> Not only that, Patty has found true companionship. She is now

included in

> the deaf community with open arms by all-not controlling as she

found in the

> adult deaf blind community.

>

> All these experiences have been a blessing as we found out a few

days ago

> that Patty lost more hearing. She isn't upset but is comforted in

that she

> knows her life will still be wonderful anyway.

>

> I'll share more later yet I wanted to share Patty's positive

experiences.

>

> We should have gone down this road a long time ago. A long, long

time ago.

>

>

>

> Bonnie, Mom to Kris 23, Patty CHARGE 21 and wife to

>

>

>

> ************************************** AOL now offers free email to

everyone.

> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

>

>

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,

Everything you said is us! I used to sign exact english but Patty is the one

who corrects me. I do try.

It's hard for Patty as she seems able to hear. She fills in the blanks of what

she thinks was said. Often she's only gotten part of it. Patty didn't learn sign

till she was older but how I wish she did from the beginning. We had it in her

IEP but they couldn't find a teacher of sign. We hired our own but my family has

forgotten much as they don't use it every day.

You are so right also about the relationship. I have a unique one with Patty. I

think because of obvious reasons, I understand her struggles. I also think it's

trust. I've earned hers.

I love the part where you say your not a paid interpreter but his mother.

That's a good one.

Bonnie, Mom to Kris 24, Patty CHARGE 22, and wife to

Re: Vanilla Deaf-Patty

Dear Bonnie,

You and I share a simalar experience. Watching function in

both the hearing and the deaf world I have to say that he seems to

exist happier within the deaf community. He is afforded more indept

and more fluidity in communication with others who are deaf.

Something else that came from his existence within deaf culture is

that my signing, though not expert, improved tremendously with

increased socializing with other who are deaf. Before 's house I

was very exact english in my sign and voiced. I was told real quick

by the ASL deaf that my signing was very confusing. Though I fought

the change in the beginnning I find and I do better when I

don't speak and allow myself to be more expressive ASL in my signing.

I am still in a place where I can sign much better than I can

understand. When first meeting new people who are deaf it takes me

awhile to catch on. With , Greg, and Debra I can acually pick up

on their sign before some of the interpreters which comes, of course,

from my knowing them so well.

I feel sad when I see not being comfortable with hearing

people, exspecally extended family. When we go out with

others who are hearing I sometimes find myself signing with ,

not voicing, then realizing that we have been excluding hearing

family all together. Not that we intent it. Then I realize how it is

for when everyone is talking. Sometime I feel exhausted after

an outing because I've had to be switching back and forth between

signing to and speaking for other family members who can't

sign. also wants me to act as his interpreter and to keep all

my focus on him so I have to keep reminding him that I'm not a paid

interpreter but his mother. LOL Still I am happy with my

relationship with my son. I have a loving relationship with all three

of my kids but there is a special closeness with .

mom to (31)

>

> I haven't read much of these posts and might be off topic yet I

think it's

> important for me to share a bit. Throughout Patty's life we have

struggled to

> find her assistance and help from services and programs for the

deaf blind

> with ONLY Perkins being beneficial. I will forever sing praises

of Perkins

> deaf blind programs and those housed there. Yet in our personal

experiences

> they have been the only ones who helped Patty reach her true

potential without

> harming her inner being as well. Actually that's where she

learned to love

> herself. I must say all the other programs Patty was involved

with were

> minimal at best. The adult deaf blind programs she's experienced

have had little

> understanding of the uniqueness of CHARGE and have been absolutely

negative

> for her. They not only helped Patty be Disabled they almost

destroyed Patty's

> " Self. "

>

> I have to add that for the last few months we are now traveling

down a

> different road.

>

> The people, programs and services that Patty is now connected with

are

> within the Deaf Community. Sure she is still deaf blind and

needing services from

> her state provider yet there's so much more happening here.

Although Patty

> has numerous disabilities, although she is oral, and although she

is unique

> she has totally been accepted and valued as a person in her own

right by all

> individuals who are deaf or within the deaf services and

programs. Yes they

> do not know much about CHARGE but all are incredibly open to

learning. And

> they are open to learning by no other reason but to enjoy Patty.

>

> This has been such a positive and enlightening experience for her

and we are

> looking beautifully at her future due to all this.

>

> Not only that, Patty has found true companionship. She is now

included in

> the deaf community with open arms by all-not controlling as she

found in the

> adult deaf blind community.

>

> All these experiences have been a blessing as we found out a few

days ago

> that Patty lost more hearing. She isn't upset but is comforted in

that she

> knows her life will still be wonderful anyway.

>

> I'll share more later yet I wanted to share Patty's positive

experiences.

>

> We should have gone down this road a long time ago. A long, long

time ago.

>

>

>

> Bonnie, Mom to Kris 23, Patty CHARGE 21 and wife to

>

>

>

> ************************************** AOL now offers free email to

everyone.

> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

>

>

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bonnie your right bout people like patty retaining sign i do wish id

retained mine even if tis just to comunicate with people who cant hear at

all hope u dotn mind but there was a thing ud written on inclusion awhile

back that i fwd to dads cous coz she is doing a thing on it at uni and well

to me u allways sum up everyones feelings just right

>

> ,

>

> Everything you said is us! I used to sign exact english but Patty is the

> one who corrects me. I do try.

>

> It's hard for Patty as she seems able to hear. She fills in the blanks of

> what she thinks was said. Often she's only gotten part of it. Patty didn't

> learn sign till she was older but how I wish she did from the beginning. We

> had it in her IEP but they couldn't find a teacher of sign. We hired our own

> but my family has forgotten much as they don't use it every day.

>

> You are so right also about the relationship. I have a unique one with

> Patty. I think because of obvious reasons, I understand her struggles. I

> also think it's trust. I've earned hers.

>

> I love the part where you say your not a paid interpreter but his mother.

> That's a good one.

>

> Bonnie, Mom to Kris 24, Patty CHARGE 22, and wife to

>

>

>

> Re: Vanilla Deaf-Patty

>

> Dear Bonnie,

>

> You and I share a simalar experience. Watching function in

> both the hearing and the deaf world I have to say that he seems to

> exist happier within the deaf community. He is afforded more indept

> and more fluidity in communication with others who are deaf.

> Something else that came from his existence within deaf culture is

> that my signing, though not expert, improved tremendously with

> increased socializing with other who are deaf. Before 's house I

> was very exact english in my sign and voiced. I was told real quick

> by the ASL deaf that my signing was very confusing. Though I fought

> the change in the beginnning I find and I do better when I

> don't speak and allow myself to be more expressive ASL in my signing.

> I am still in a place where I can sign much better than I can

> understand. When first meeting new people who are deaf it takes me

> awhile to catch on. With , Greg, and Debra I can acually pick up

> on their sign before some of the interpreters which comes, of course,

> from my knowing them so well.

>

> I feel sad when I see not being comfortable with hearing

> people, exspecally extended family. When we go out with

> others who are hearing I sometimes find myself signing with ,

> not voicing, then realizing that we have been excluding hearing

> family all together. Not that we intent it. Then I realize how it is

> for when everyone is talking. Sometime I feel exhausted after

> an outing because I've had to be switching back and forth between

> signing to and speaking for other family members who can't

> sign. also wants me to act as his interpreter and to keep all

> my focus on him so I have to keep reminding him that I'm not a paid

> interpreter but his mother. LOL Still I am happy with my

> relationship with my son. I have a loving relationship with all three

> of my kids but there is a special closeness with .

>

> mom to (31)

>

>

> >

> > I haven't read much of these posts and might be off topic yet I

> think it's

> > important for me to share a bit. Throughout Patty's life we have

> struggled to

> > find her assistance and help from services and programs for the

> deaf blind

> > with ONLY Perkins being beneficial. I will forever sing praises

> of Perkins

> > deaf blind programs and those housed there. Yet in our personal

> experiences

> > they have been the only ones who helped Patty reach her true

> potential without

> > harming her inner being as well. Actually that's where she

> learned to love

> > herself. I must say all the other programs Patty was involved

> with were

> > minimal at best. The adult deaf blind programs she's experienced

> have had little

> > understanding of the uniqueness of CHARGE and have been absolutely

> negative

> > for her. They not only helped Patty be Disabled they almost

> destroyed Patty's

> > " Self. "

> >

> > I have to add that for the last few months we are now traveling

> down a

> > different road.

> >

> > The people, programs and services that Patty is now connected with

> are

> > within the Deaf Community. Sure she is still deaf blind and

> needing services from

> > her state provider yet there's so much more happening here.

> Although Patty

> > has numerous disabilities, although she is oral, and although she

> is unique

> > she has totally been accepted and valued as a person in her own

> right by all

> > individuals who are deaf or within the deaf services and

> programs. Yes they

> > do not know much about CHARGE but all are incredibly open to

> learning. And

> > they are open to learning by no other reason but to enjoy Patty.

> >

> > This has been such a positive and enlightening experience for her

> and we are

> > looking beautifully at her future due to all this.

> >

> > Not only that, Patty has found true companionship. She is now

> included in

> > the deaf community with open arms by all-not controlling as she

> found in the

> > adult deaf blind community.

> >

> > All these experiences have been a blessing as we found out a few

> days ago

> > that Patty lost more hearing. She isn't upset but is comforted in

> that she

> > knows her life will still be wonderful anyway.

> >

> > I'll share more later yet I wanted to share Patty's positive

> experiences.

> >

> > We should have gone down this road a long time ago. A long, long

> time ago.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bonnie, Mom to Kris 23, Patty CHARGE 21 and wife to

> >

> >

> >

> > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to

> everyone.

> > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Bonnie,

So, you get corrected too. laughs at me sometimes. I have

problems with throwing english signs into our conversation. Sometime

the english sign means something intirely different in ASL. ex;

english breakfast sign can look like bitch in ASL. still

reminds me of the time it appeared I was calling his sister a bitch

when I was tying to ask her if she had breakfast. lol He was laughing

so hard he was spitting and I was like " what in the heck is wrong

with you. " LOL

I'm very fortunate that can switch back and forth between

english and ASL fairly proficently. Also with what hearing he has and

lip reading I can ask him for help when talking with others who are

deaf. I really am proud of the fact that I am accepted by deaf in our

area because of my work in getting 's home approved by the state.

I'm sorry if I missed it in a post but are you and Patty coming to Ca?

where do you live. My email is artthrob@.... If you could

send me your email I'd love to send you pictures and exchange phone

#'s.

:o)

mom to (31)

>

> ,

>

> Everything you said is us! I used to sign exact english but Patty

is the one who corrects me. I do try.

>

> It's hard for Patty as she seems able to hear. She fills in the

blanks of what she thinks was said. Often she's only gotten part of

it. Patty didn't learn sign till she was older but how I wish she did

from the beginning. We had it in her IEP but they couldn't find a

teacher of sign. We hired our own but my family has forgotten much as

they don't use it every day.

>

> You are so right also about the relationship. I have a unique one

with Patty. I think because of obvious reasons, I understand her

struggles. I also think it's trust. I've earned hers.

>

> I love the part where you say your not a paid interpreter but his

mother. That's a good one.

>

> Bonnie, Mom to Kris 24, Patty CHARGE 22, and wife to

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

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Ellen,

Don't mind a bit. But could you forward a copy to me? Thanks.

Bonnie, Mom to Kris 24, Patty CHARGE 22, and wife to

Re: Vanilla Deaf-Patty

>

> Dear Bonnie,

>

> You and I share a simalar experience. Watching function in

> both the hearing and the deaf world I have to say that he seems to

> exist happier within the deaf community. He is afforded more indept

> and more fluidity in communication with others who are deaf.

> Something else that came from his existence within deaf culture is

> that my signing, though not expert, improved tremendously with

> increased socializing with other who are deaf. Before 's house I

> was very exact english in my sign and voiced. I was told real quick

> by the ASL deaf that my signing was very confusing. Though I fought

> the change in the beginnning I find and I do better when I

> don't speak and allow myself to be more expressive ASL in my signing.

> I am still in a place where I can sign much better than I can

> understand. When first meeting new people who are deaf it takes me

> awhile to catch on. With , Greg, and Debra I can acually pick up

> on their sign before some of the interpreters which comes, of course,

> from my knowing them so well.

>

> I feel sad when I see not being comfortable with hearing

> people, exspecally extended family. When we go out with

> others who are hearing I sometimes find myself signing with ,

> not voicing, then realizing that we have been excluding hearing

> family all together. Not that we intent it. Then I realize how it is

> for when everyone is talking. Sometime I feel exhausted after

> an outing because I've had to be switching back and forth between

> signing to and speaking for other family members who can't

> sign. also wants me to act as his interpreter and to keep all

> my focus on him so I have to keep reminding him that I'm not a paid

> interpreter but his mother. LOL Still I am happy with my

> relationship with my son. I have a loving relationship with all three

> of my kids but there is a special closeness with .

>

> mom to (31)

>

>

> >

> > I haven't read much of these posts and might be off topic yet I

> think it's

> > important for me to share a bit. Throughout Patty's life we have

> struggled to

> > find her assistance and help from services and programs for the

> deaf blind

> > with ONLY Perkins being beneficial. I will forever sing praises

> of Perkins

> > deaf blind programs and those housed there. Yet in our personal

> experiences

> > they have been the only ones who helped Patty reach her true

> potential without

> > harming her inner being as well. Actually that's where she

> learned to love

> > herself. I must say all the other programs Patty was involved

> with were

> > minimal at best. The adult deaf blind programs she's experienced

> have had little

> > understanding of the uniqueness of CHARGE and have been absolutely

> negative

> > for her. They not only helped Patty be Disabled they almost

> destroyed Patty's

> > " Self. "

> >

> > I have to add that for the last few months we are now traveling

> down a

> > different road.

> >

> > The people, programs and services that Patty is now connected with

> are

> > within the Deaf Community. Sure she is still deaf blind and

> needing services from

> > her state provider yet there's so much more happening here.

> Although Patty

> > has numerous disabilities, although she is oral, and although she

> is unique

> > she has totally been accepted and valued as a person in her own

> right by all

> > individuals who are deaf or within the deaf services and

> programs. Yes they

> > do not know much about CHARGE but all are incredibly open to

> learning. And

> > they are open to learning by no other reason but to enjoy Patty.

> >

> > This has been such a positive and enlightening experience for her

> and we are

> > looking beautifully at her future due to all this.

> >

> > Not only that, Patty has found true companionship. She is now

> included in

> > the deaf community with open arms by all-not controlling as she

> found in the

> > adult deaf blind community.

> >

> > All these experiences have been a blessing as we found out a few

> days ago

> > that Patty lost more hearing. She isn't upset but is comforted in

> that she

> > knows her life will still be wonderful anyway.

> >

> > I'll share more later yet I wanted to share Patty's positive

> experiences.

> >

> > We should have gone down this road a long time ago. A long, long

> time ago.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bonnie, Mom to Kris 23, Patty CHARGE 21 and wife to

> >

> >

> >

> > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to

> everyone.

> > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

> >

> >

> >

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Turk22082 is my email. You can send me anything but in th subject line make

sure you write something that'll make sure I know it's from you. I've gotten too

many viruses opening things.

The conference! Of course I'll be there. We went to our first when Patty was 14

and haven't missed one since. I got such a wonderful feeling of connection with

people that I joined the board. My bit as you would call it is the chair of the

Adult Services Committee. Can't wait to talk to you about adulthood! It's a fun

ride, isn't it!

Bonnie, Mom to Kris 24, Patty CHARGE 22, and wife to

Re: Vanilla Deaf-Patty

Dear Bonnie,

So, you get corrected too. laughs at me sometimes. I have

problems with throwing english signs into our conversation. Sometime

the english sign means something intirely different in ASL. ex;

english breakfast sign can look like bitch in ASL. still

reminds me of the time it appeared I was calling his sister a bitch

when I was tying to ask her if she had breakfast. lol He was laughing

so hard he was spitting and I was like " what in the heck is wrong

with you. " LOL

I'm very fortunate that can switch back and forth between

english and ASL fairly proficently. Also with what hearing he has and

lip reading I can ask him for help when talking with others who are

deaf. I really am proud of the fact that I am accepted by deaf in our

area because of my work in getting 's home approved by the state.

I'm sorry if I missed it in a post but are you and Patty coming to Ca?

where do you live. My email is artthrob@.... If you could

send me your email I'd love to send you pictures and exchange phone

#'s.

:o)

mom to (31)

>

> ,

>

> Everything you said is us! I used to sign exact english but Patty

is the one who corrects me. I do try.

>

> It's hard for Patty as she seems able to hear. She fills in the

blanks of what she thinks was said. Often she's only gotten part of

it. Patty didn't learn sign till she was older but how I wish she did

from the beginning. We had it in her IEP but they couldn't find a

teacher of sign. We hired our own but my family has forgotten much as

they don't use it every day.

>

> You are so right also about the relationship. I have a unique one

with Patty. I think because of obvious reasons, I understand her

struggles. I also think it's trust. I've earned hers.

>

> I love the part where you say your not a paid interpreter but his

mother. That's a good one.

>

> Bonnie, Mom to Kris 24, Patty CHARGE 22, and wife to

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

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