Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer firefighters and EMS providers. What are we going to do about this? Ho hum, nothing, of course. Gene G. > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > http://www.governorhttp://wwwhttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp://www\ ..gov > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > there a > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > not > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > or SB #? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wayne > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > pocket: > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Here is the info for the state of Texas that is good if you are late to work because you are on a call. But I read about a federal law that protects for a 14 day period. * *HB 1205 - /Job Protection /- Passed House/Senate. Does have amendment on it that makes it apply to businesses with 50 or more employees - Sent to Governor* Wayne D wrote: > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was there a > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel not > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB or SB #? > > Thanks, > Wayne > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > mail, news, photos & more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/press/bills/veto_statements/message-hb\ 1205 > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was there a > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel not > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB or SB #? > > > > Thanks, > > Wayne > > > > --------------------------------- > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 The Governor vetoed it, saying that it interfered with private business policies. If you see the Governor broken down on the side of the road, don't stop to help. I haven't been able to locate a federal statute yet, but I'm still Googling. Gene G. > > So this bill never passed or was signed into law. What about the federal > bill? > > Wayne > > rtracy2 <richardtracy2@richardtr> wrote: > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > http://www.governorhttp://wwwhttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp://www\ ..gov > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > there a > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > not > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > or SB #? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wayne > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > pocket: > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 So this bill never passed or was signed into law. What about the federal bill? Wayne rtracy2 wrote: Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/press/bills/veto_statements/message-hb\ 1205 > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was there a > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel not > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB or SB #? > > > > Thanks, > > Wayne > > > > --------------------------------- > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 Gene, Maybe you should run against Gov. Good Hair next time, who knows, you might win. Wayne > > The Governor vetoed it, saying that it interfered with private business > policies. If you see the Governor broken down on the side of the road, > don't stop > to help. > > I haven't been able to locate a federal statute yet, but I'm still > Googling. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/30/07 12:57:25 AM, rxmd911@...<rxmd911%40yahoo.com>writes: > > > > > So this bill never passed or was signed into law. What about the federal > > > bill? > > > > Wayne > > > > rtracy2 <richardtracy2@richardtr> wrote: > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://wwwhttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp://www\ ..gov<http://www.governorhttp//wwwhttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:/\ /www.gov> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer firefighters and EMS providers. What are we going to do about this? Ho hum, nothing, of course. Gene G. > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > http://www.governorhttp://wwwhttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp://www\ ..gov > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > there a > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > not > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > or SB #? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wayne > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > pocket: > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Well, since I'm moving to Arizona in two weeks, that's probably not a possibility <g>. Gene ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Well, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Do we have problems across the state with volunteers losing jobs?? Or is this a way for those who are getting paid to leave no matter the consequences to their employer?? Here is a problem I can see with this.? Give me a second here.... Lets say the law exists...? Jimmy is a volunteer with the local EMS agency.? He is?a painter with a local contractor.? He is working with 3 other guys repainting the towns 3 water towers.? His employer bid competitively for the job and has 7 weeks to re-paint al l 3 towers.? Jimmy and his co-workers are working hard in mid-June and tones drop for a chest pain call.? Jimmy descends the tower, leaving his crew a person short, and goes to the call with the 3 other volunteers (2 paramedics and 1 EMT).? Jimmy, an ECA graciously volunteers to drive the ambulance to the hospital, the next town over; a 20 minute trip.? 20 minute scene time, 20 minute trip, 30 minutes at the hospital (waiting on a bed???), 30 minutes back (had to get diesel); 20 minutes to re-stock and talk about the call and then back to work.? The call came in at 1000; Jimmy gets back to the work-site at noon; and goes to lunch with his peers. They get back to work at 1300...and this process process repeats itself at 1430, with Jimmy returning in time to get his equipment and go home.? Despite the fact that Jimmy is always the 4th person on the ambulance....this continues throughout the project...causing Jimmy's employer to miss his deadline, having to pay hefty fines and declaring bankruptcy.? Now Jimmy and his 3 co-workers are unemployed and a local employer has shut his doors...where is the benefit?? 2nd example...Jimmy is a Paramedic with ABC EMS, the local EMS provider in Smallville Texas.? Jimmy has been in this town his whole life and not only runs EMS calls for the paid service, but volunteers with Smallville VFD.? While sitting in the day room, Jimmy hears tones drop for Smallville to assist Tinyville VFD with a large grass fire threatening homes.? Jimmy takes off his EMS radio, hands the keys to his partner (the EMS Director today) and bolts to his truck.? Again, Jimmy is 4th person on the brush truck and responds to Tinyville to help put out the fire.? ABC EMS is now out of service...because they are paid...but there is still just one truck on-duty... See the problem with this type law is that it applies to EVERYONE in EVERY situation.? That means that EMS employers could lose vital help to VFD's in small communities leaving the EMS system in jeopardy...or cops leaving patrol....or school teachers leaving classrooms...nurses leaving hospitals...whatever.? It is the perfect out to the mediocre employee who is having a bad day, just got counseled about a performance issue...or just doesn't want to be at work that day....and there is NO remediation to the employer.? That is why I am curious as to how big a problem this is, or is a law to " protect " everyone just a feel good measure that would have unintended consequences?? How about local agencies (who are constantly working with local businesses and citizens for raising funds) having a meeting with the local businesses to not only recruit more volunteers but to get their buy-in to employees leaving the work place when needed...sharing schedules ahead of time, last minute changes, etc.? This way the volunteer's employers are in the loop and understanding they are not getting the shaft or being taken advantage of. Will it work everytime?? No...I'm not that naive...but my other question is how often are volunteers not leaving a workplace where they probably could because they don't want to lose the money...or are we expecting them to get paid while away too? Dudley Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Gene, It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. It just may provide some protection, there are many volunteer fd's and EMS that are 501©3 's. For instance, all the departments in Tom Green Co. are 501 ©3 except for the city fd/ems. Most of the surrounding counties were also set up as such. Each dept member should look into the standing of their service in regards to a 501 ©3. They may be and not even know it. ez EMS Fire Department wegandy1938@... wrote: Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 I thought that the law signed by Clinton affected extended leaves due to responses to large incidents like the georgia fires this year or katrina type responses? ez EMS Fire Department THEDUDMAN@... wrote: Do we have problems across the state with volunteers losing jobs?? Or is this a way for those who are getting paid to leave no matter the consequences to their employer?? Here is a problem I can see with this.? Give me a second here.... Lets say the law exists...? Jimmy is a volunteer with the local EMS agency.? He is?a painter with a local contractor.? He is working with 3 other guys repainting the towns 3 water towers.? His employer bid competitively for the job and has 7 weeks to re-paint al l 3 towers.? Jimmy and his co-workers are working hard in mid-June and tones drop for a chest pain call.? Jimmy descends the tower, leaving his crew a person short, and goes to the call with the 3 other volunteers (2 paramedics and 1 EMT).? Jimmy, an ECA graciously volunteers to drive the ambulance to the hospital, the next town over; a 20 minute trip.? 20 minute scene time, 20 minute trip, 30 minutes at the hospital (waiting on a bed???), 30 minutes back (had to get diesel); 20 minutes to re-stock and talk about the call and then back to work.? The call came in at 1000; Jimmy gets back to the work-site at noon; and goes to lunch with his peers. They get back to work at 1300...and this process process repeats itself at 1430, with Jimmy returning in time to get his equipment and go home.? Despite the fact that Jimmy is always the 4th person on the ambulance....this continues throughout the project...causing Jimmy's employer to miss his deadline, having to pay hefty fines and declaring bankruptcy.? Now Jimmy and his 3 co-workers are unemployed and a local employer has shut his doors...where is the benefit?? 2nd example...Jimmy is a Paramedic with ABC EMS, the local EMS provider in Smallville Texas.? Jimmy has been in this town his whole life and not only runs EMS calls for the paid service, but volunteers with Smallville VFD.? While sitting in the day room, Jimmy hears tones drop for Smallville to assist Tinyville VFD with a large grass fire threatening homes.? Jimmy takes off his EMS radio, hands the keys to his partner (the EMS Director today) and bolts to his truck.? Again, Jimmy is 4th person on the brush truck and responds to Tinyville to help put out the fire.? ABC EMS is now out of service...because they are paid...but there is still just one truck on-duty... See the problem with this type law is that it applies to EVERYONE in EVERY situation.? That means that EMS employers could lose vital help to VFD's in small communities leaving the EMS system in jeopardy...or cops leaving patrol....or school teachers leaving classrooms...nurses leaving hospitals...whatever.? It is the perfect out to the mediocre employee who is having a bad day, just got counseled about a performance issue...or just doesn't want to be at work that day....and there is NO remediation to the employer.? That is why I am curious as to how big a problem this is, or is a law to " protect " everyone just a feel good measure that would have unintended consequences?? How about local agencies (who are constantly working with local businesses and citizens for raising funds) having a meeting with the local businesses to not only recruit more volunteers but to get their buy-in to employees leaving the work place when needed...sharing schedules ahead of time, last minute changes, etc.? This way the volunteer's employers are in the loop and understanding they are not getting the shaft or being taken advantage of. Will it work everytime?? No...I'm not that naive...but my other question is how often are volunteers not leaving a workplace where they probably could because they don't want to lose the money...or are we expecting them to get paid while away too? Dudley Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 All I can say is that being Vice President of a small volunteer EMS, I can truthfully say that there are many days during the week if folks weren't allowed to leave their work and run EMS calls when they come in, our service area would be totally uncovered by EMS. Usually Monday through Friday during normal business hours, most of our responders have to come from their full time jobs. And we usually only have 2, sometimes three, but that is rare during that time period. In fact, it is hard to get TWO sometimes. So while I understand the employer issues, I think the law is designed for the " greater good. " While there may be some out there who might take advantage of the situation, fortunately, most of the volunteers I have associated with over the years volunteer because they want to volunteer - NOT because they want an excuse to get out of work. Volunteerism is almost dead, folks. The few that remain are mostly good people with good intentions. Jane Hill --------- Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 My guess is that these bills were introduced because some employers were not being supportive of volunteer's needs.? Sadly, as more and more people work for large corporations, the local support of volunteer efforts goes to the wayside. Most state government offices allow fire and EMS volunteers to leave for a call as well as to attend the State EMS Conference and the?A & M Fire School. ?It's a privilege I've tried my best not to abuse. There's a group that encourages employer support of the National Guard and armed forces reserves.? Maybe it's time to start a similar group for volunteer firefighters and medics? -Wes Ogilvie Austin, Texas Re: Re: Volunteer Law All I can say is that being Vice President of a small volunteer EMS, I can truthfully say that there are many days during the week if folks weren't allowed to leave their work and run EMS calls when they come in, our service area would be totally uncovered by EMS. Usually Monday through Friday during normal business hours, most of our responders have to come from their full time jobs. And we usually only have 2, sometimes three, but that is rare during that time period. In fact, it is hard to get TWO sometimes. So while I understand the employer issues, I think the law is designed for the " greater good. " While there may be some out there who might take advantage of the situation, fortunately, most of the volunteers I have associated with over the years volunteer because they want to volunteer - NOT because they want an excuse to get out of work. Volunteerism is almost dead, folks. The few that remain are mostly good people with good intentions. Jane Hill --------- Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Someone wake Dudley up...the law would have only affected employers with 50 or more employees, based on the rider attached before passage. You make a few good, yet non-applicable points. Vernon Gresham City of Ganado Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Jane, Please don't take from my post that I feel volunteers are trying to take advantage of something...I do not mean to imply that at all...merely that there are 2 sides to every story.? My question is, how often do your responders have issues getting off work and how many of them have lost jobs as a result of leaving when they were the 2nd person?? Like Gene said in a post a week ago...we have too many laws...if it is working without a law, why put a law there to mess it all up? Dudley Re: Re: Volunteer Law Al l I can say is that being Vice President of a small volunteer EMS, I can truthfully say that there are many days during the week if folks weren't allowed to leave their work and run EMS calls when they come in, our service area would be totally uncovered by EMS. Usually Monday through Friday during normal business hours, most of our responders have to come from their full time jobs. And we usually only have 2, sometimes three, but that is rare during that time period. In fact, it is hard to get TWO sometimes. So while I understand the employer issues, I think the law is designed for the " greater good. " While there may be some out there who might take advantage of the situation, fortunately, most of the volunteers I have associated with over the years volunteer because they want to volunteer - NOT because they want an excuse to get out of work. Volunteerism is almost dead, folks. The few that remain are mostly good people with good intentions. Jane Hill --------- Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Yawn... zzz...snort....huh???? Okay...didn't see the rider...my apologies...but in communities served by volunteer agencies, how many of those communities have companies with MORE than 50 employees?? Seems that rider made the whole bill non-applicable. Pulling the covers back up now!!!! Dudley Re: Re: Volunteer Law Someone wake Dudley up...the law would have only affected employers with 50 or more employees, based on the rider attached before passage. You make a few good, yet non-applicable points. Vernon Gresham City of Ganado Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Sjtop and think about it, Jane. You don't really think W. Bush would have signed it, do you? He would have vetoed it for the same reasons that did. The reason it didn't get anywhere is that business doesn't like it. G > > Well, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out > of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better > national representation, huh? > > It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in > today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on > this issue. > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Jane, > > I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job > Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in > both > the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were > assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so > they were never voted on nor passed. > > Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the > same > laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . > > The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of > 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type > protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has > nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP > In a message dated 7/1/07 9:14:25 AM, je.hill@.... writes: > > > > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede > state > > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > > > Jane Hill > > > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@-- Origwegandy1938@<w-- > > > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > > firefighters and EMS providers. > > > > What are we going to do about this? > > > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > > > Gene G. > > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@ In a message dat > > > > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.gover\ http > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > > there a > > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > > not > > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > > pocket: > > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Yeah, , you're right. What Jane was talking about was a law that would protect volunteer FFs and EMS workers who are late to work due to responses to fires and EMS calls. Gene > > Gene, > > It provides Good Samaritan type > protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has > nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. > > It just may provide some protection, there are many volunteer fd's and EMS > that are 501©3 's. For instance, all the departments in Tom Green Co. are > 501 ©3 except for the city fd/ems. Most of the surrounding counties were also > set up as such. > > Each dept member should look into the standing of their service in regards > to a 501 ©3. They may be and not even know it. > > ez > EMS > Fire Department > > wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: Jane, > > I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job > Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in > both > the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were > assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so > they were never voted on nor passed. > > Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the > same > laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . > > The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of > 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type > protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has > nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP > In a message dated 7/1/07 9:14:25 AM, je.hill@.... writes: > > > > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede > state > > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > > > Jane Hill > > > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@-- Origwegandy1938@<w-- > > > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > > firefighters and EMS providers. > > > > What are we going to do about this? > > > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > > > Gene G. > > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@ In a message dat > > > > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.gover\ http > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > > there a > > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > > not > > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > > pocket: > > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 We have a couple whose employers will let them go on an EMS call. However, most employers won't. THAT is the issue. Jane --------- Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from wegandy1938@...: -------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ ------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@wegandy: ------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > http://www.governorhttp://www.govehttp://www.gohttp://www.ghttp://www.goverhttp:\ //ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 By no means am I trying to instigate anything but how small of an area are we talking about that can’t afford to go to at least one truck, FT, paid? What corner of the state are you in Jane? Re: Re: Volunteer Law We have a couple whose employers will let them go on an EMS call. However, most employers won't. THAT is the issue. Jane ---------- Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better national representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts on Rick on this issue. Jane Hill --------------- Original message from HYPERLINK " mailto:wegandy1938%40aol.com " wegandy1938@-aol.com: --------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel Job Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, in both the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the committee, so they were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the same laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan type protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It has nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS personnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP In a message dated 7/1/07 9:14:25 AM, HYPERLINK " mailto:je.hill%40att.net " je.hill (AT) att (DOT) -net writes: > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. Bush > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it supercede state > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > Jane Hill > > ------------ -------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@-wegandy: -------------: - > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about volunteer > firefighters and EMS providers. > > What are we going to do about this? > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > Gene G. > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@-richardtr writes: > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > HYPERLINK " http://www.governorhttp:/www.govehttp:/www.gohttp:/www.ghttp:/www.gover http:/ww " http://www.governor-http://www.-govehttp:-//www.gohttp:-//www.g http:-//www.goverhttp:-//ww > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > there a > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > not > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 She's in the Big Country, AKA the Abilene area. From my experience, you'd be shocked how many rural county commissioners are loathe to approve an ESD for fear of " raising taxes " or taking away from their precinct road maintenance programs. We in the Hill Country have been blessed to have what we have, believe it or not. -Wes Ogilvie RE: Re: Volunteer Law By no means am I trying to instigate anything……but how small of an area re we talking about that can’t afford to go to at least one truck, FT, aid? hat corner of the state are you in Jane? ----Original Message----- rom: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On ehalf Of je.hill@... ent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:23 PM o: texasems-l ubject: Re: Re: Volunteer Law e have a couple whose employers will let them go on an EMS call. owever, most employers won't. THAT is the issue. Jane --------------- Original message from HYPERLINK mailto:THEDUDMAN%40aol.com " THEDUDMAN (AT) aol (DOT) -com: --------------- Jane, Please don't take from my post that I feel volunteers are trying to take dvantage of something...-I do not mean to imply that at all...merely hat there are 2 sides to every story.? My question is, how often do your responders have issues getting off ork and how many of them have lost jobs as a result of leaving when hey were the 2nd person?? Like Gene said in a post a week ago...we have too many laws...if it is orking without a law, why put a law there to mess it all up? Dudley -----Original Message----- rom: HYPERLINK " mailto:je.hill%40att.net " je.hill (AT) att (DOT) -net o: HYPERLINK mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com " texasems-l@... ent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 9:11 am ubject: Re: Re: Volunteer Law Al I can say is that being Vice President of a small volunteer EMS, I can ruthfully say that there are many days during the week if folks weren't llowed to leave their work and run EMS calls when they come in, our ervice area would be totally uncovered by EMS. Usually Monday through riday during normal business hours, most of our responders have to come rom their full time jobs. And we usually only have 2, sometimes three, ut that is rare during that time period. In fact, it is hard to get TWO ometimes. So while I understand the employer issues, I think the law is designed or the " greater good. " While there may be some out there who might take dvantage of the situation, fortunately, most of the volunteers I have ssociated with over the years volunteer because they want to volunteer NOT because they want an excuse to get out of work. Volunteerism is lmost dead, folks. The few that remain are mostly good people with good ntentions. Jane Hill --------------- Original message from HYPERLINK mailto:THEDUDMAN%40aol.com " THEDUDMAN (AT) aol (DOT) -com: --------------- Do we have problems across the state with volunteers losing jobs?? Or is his a way for those who are getting paid to leave no matter the onsequences to their employer?? Here is a problem I can see with this.? ive me a second here.... Lets say the law exists...? Jimmy is a volunteer with the local EMS gency.? He is?a painter with a local contractor.? He is working with 3 ther guys repainting the towns 3 water towers.? His employer bid ompetitively for the job and has 7 weeks to re-paint al 3 towers.? Jimmy and his co-workers are working hard in mid-June and ones drop for a chest pain call.? Jimmy descends the tower, leaving his rew a person short, and goes to the call with the 3 other volunteers (2 aramedics and 1 EMT).? Jimmy, an ECA graciously volunteers to drive the mbulance to the hospital, the next town over; a 20 minute trip.? 20 inute scene time, 20 minute trip, 30 minutes at the hospital (waiting n a bed???), 30 minutes back (had to get diesel); 20 minutes to e-stock and talk about the call and then back to work.? The call came n at 1000; Jimmy gets back to the work-site at noon; and goes to lunch ith his peers. They get back to work at 1300...and this process process epeats itself at 1430, with Jimmy returning in time to get his quipment and go home.? Despite the fact that Jimmy is always the 4th erson on the ambulance...-.this continues throughout the roject...causing Jimmy's employer to miss his deadline, having to pay efty fines and declari ng bankruptcy.? Now Jimmy and his 3 co-workers are unemployed and a ocal employer has shut his doors...where is the benefit?? 2nd example...Jimmy is a Paramedic with ABC EMS, the local EMS provider n Smallville Texas.? Jimmy has been in this town his whole life and not nly runs EMS calls for the paid service, but volunteers with Smallville FD.? While sitting in the day room, Jimmy hears tones drop for mallville to assist Tinyville VFD with a large grass fire threatening omes.? Jimmy takes off his EMS radio, hands the keys to his partner the EMS Director today) and bolts to his truck.? Again, Jimmy is 4th erson on the brush truck and responds to Tinyville to help put out the ire.? ABC EMS is now out of service...because they are paid...but there s still just one truck on-duty... See the problem with this type law is that it applies to EVERYONE in VERY situation.? That means that EMS employers could lose vital help to FD's in small communities leaving the EMS system in jeopardy...or cops eaving patrol....or school teachers leaving classrooms..-.nurses eaving hospitals...-whatever.-? It is the perfect out to the mediocre mployee who is having a bad day, just got counseled about a performance ssue...or just doesn't want to be at work that day....and there is NO emediation to the employer.? That is why I am curious as to how big a problem this is, or is a law to protect " everyone just a feel good measure that would have unintended onsequences?-? How about local agencies (who are constantly working ith local businesses and citizens for raising funds) having a meeting ith the local businesses to not only recruit more volunteers but to get heir buy-in to employees leaving the work place when needed...sharing chedules ahead of time, last minute changes, etc.? This way the olunteer's employers are in the loop and understanding they are not etting the shaft or being taken advantage of. Will it work everytime?? No...I'm not that naive...but my other question s how often are volunteers not leaving a workplace where they probably ould because they don't want to lose the money...or are we expecting hem to get paid while away too? Dudley -----Original Message----- rom: HYPERLINK " mailto:je.hill%40att.net " je.hill (AT) att (DOT) -net o: HYPERLINK mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com " texasems-l@... ent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 7:05 am ubject: Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out f committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better ational representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, specially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts n Rick on this issue. Jane Hill --------------- Original message from HYPERLINK mailto:wegandy1938%40aol.com " wegandy1938@-aol.com: --------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel ob rotection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, n both he House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the ommittee, so hey were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the ame aws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan ype rotection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It as othing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS ersonnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP n a message dated 7/1/07 9:14:25 AM, HYPERLINK mailto:je.hill%40att.net " je.hill (AT) att (DOT) -net writes: > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. ush pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it upercede state law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? Jane Hill ------------ -------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@-wegandy: ------------: - Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about olunteer firefighters and EMS providers. What are we going to do about this? Ho hum, nothing, of course. Gene G. In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@-richardtr rites: > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > HYPERLINK http://www.governorhttp:/www.govehttp:/www.gohttp:/www.ghttp:/www.gover ttp:/ww " http://www.governor-http://www.-govehttp:-//www.gohttp:-//www.g ttp:-//www.goverhttp:-//ww > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > there a > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > not > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > or SB #? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wayne > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > pocket: > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Rural County. Because of the size of Abilene, our area is not classified as rural even though we are extremely rural, which knocks us out of a lot of grants and such. The politicians won't get behind formation of an ESD (political backlash fears), and the community still thinks EMS is a right, not something they should have to pay to support. The County Commissioners give a few thousand a year toward equipment and training, but that is all the support we get. Everything else is based on reimbursements on about 17 transports a month average. There is not enough population base to make a subscription program worthwhile IF you could convince the majority of the population to join, which would never happen. So while we have discussed trying to put on one full time person to start, the money is just not there. The area is several hundred square miles (can't remember off the top of my head). Jane Hill --------- Re: Re: Volunteer Law > > Wel > > l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out > of committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better > national representation, huh? > > It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, > especially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts > on Rick on this issue. > > Jane Hill > > --------------- Original message from HYPERLINK > " mailto:wegandy1938%40aol.com " wegandy1938@-aol.com: --------------- > > Jane, > > I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel > Job > Protection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, > in both > the House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were > > assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the > committee, so > they were never voted on nor passed. > > Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the > same > laws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . > > The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of > > 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan > type > protection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It > has > nothing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS > personnel. > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP > In a message dated 7/1/07 9:14:25 AM, HYPERLINK > " mailto:je.hill%40att.net " je.hill (AT) att (DOT) -net writes: > > > > > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. > Bush > > pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it > supercede state > > law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? > > > > Jane Hill > > > > ------------ --------------- Origwegandy1938@-wegandy: > -------------: - > > > > Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about > volunteer > > firefighters and EMS providers. > > > > What are we going to do about this? > > > > Ho hum, nothing, of course. > > > > Gene G. > > In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@-richardtr > writes: > > > > > > > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > " http://www.governorhttp:/www.govehttp:/www.gohttp:/www.ghttp:/www.gover > http:/ww " http://www.governor-http://www.-govehttp:-//www.gohttp:-//www.g > http:-//www.goverhttp:-//ww > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > > > there a > > > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > > > not > > > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > > > or SB #? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > > > pocket: > > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 You are very correct, Wes. Sadly enough.... You folks around Austin and such are extremely lucky. Yes, a lot of hard work was involved in getting those ESD's through, but that started with some support first. Smaller communities don't get that in many sections of the state no matter how much you try to educate. Jane --------- RE: Re: Volunteer Law By no means am I trying to instigate anything……but how small of an area re we talking about that can’t afford to go to at least one truck, FT, aid? hat corner of the state are you in Jane? ----Original Message----- rom: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On ehalf Of je.hill@... ent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:23 PM o: texasems-l ubject: Re: Re: Volunteer Law e have a couple whose employers will let them go on an EMS call. owever, most employers won't. THAT is the issue. Jane --------------- Original message from HYPERLINK mailto:THEDUDMAN%40aol.com " THEDUDMAN (AT) aol (DOT) -com: --------------- Jane, Please don't take from my post that I feel volunteers are trying to take dvantage of something...-I do not mean to imply that at all...merely hat there are 2 sides to every story.? My question is, how often do your responders have issues getting off ork and how many of them have lost jobs as a result of leaving when hey were the 2nd person?? Like Gene said in a post a week ago...we have too many laws...if it is orking without a law, why put a law there to mess it all up? Dudley -----Original Message----- rom: HYPERLINK " mailto:je.hill%40att.net " je.hill (AT) att (DOT) -net o: HYPERLINK mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com " texasems-l@... ent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 9:11 am ubject: Re: Re: Volunteer Law Al I can say is that being Vice President of a small volunteer EMS, I can ruthfully say that there are many days during the week if folks weren't llowed to leave their work and run EMS calls when they come in, our ervice area would be totally uncovered by EMS. Usually Monday through riday during normal business hours, most of our responders have to come rom their full time jobs. And we usually only have 2, sometimes three, ut that is rare during that time period. In fact, it is hard to get TWO ometimes. So while I understand the employer issues, I think the law is designed or the " greater good. " While there may be some out there who might take dvantage of the situation, fortunately, most of the volunteers I have ssociated with over the years volunteer because they want to volunteer NOT because they want an excuse to get out of work. Volunteerism is lmost dead, folks. The few that remain are mostly good people with good ntentions. Jane Hill --------------- Original message from HYPERLINK mailto:THEDUDMAN%40aol.com " THEDUDMAN (AT) aol (DOT) -com: --------------- Do we have problems across the state with volunteers losing jobs?? Or is his a way for those who are getting paid to leave no matter the onsequences to their employer?? Here is a problem I can see with this.? ive me a second here.... Lets say the law exists...? Jimmy is a volunteer with the local EMS gency.? He is?a painter with a local contractor.? He is working with 3 ther guys repainting the towns 3 water towers.? His employer bid ompetitively for the job and has 7 weeks to re-paint al 3 towers.? Jimmy and his co-workers are working hard in mid-June and ones drop for a chest pain call.? Jimmy descends the tower, leaving his rew a person short, and goes to the call with the 3 other volunteers (2 aramedics and 1 EMT).? Jimmy, an ECA graciously volunteers to drive the mbulance to the hospital, the next town over; a 20 minute trip.? 20 inute scene time, 20 minute trip, 30 minutes at the hospital (waiting n a bed???), 30 minutes back (had to get diesel); 20 minutes to e-stock and talk about the call and then back to work.? The call came n at 1000; Jimmy gets back to the work-site at noon; and goes to lunch ith his peers. They get back to work at 1300...and this process process epeats itself at 1430, with Jimmy returning in time to get his quipment and go home.? Despite the fact that Jimmy is always the 4th erson on the ambulance...-.this continues throughout the roject...causing Jimmy's employer to miss his deadline, having to pay efty fines and declari ng bankruptcy.? Now Jimmy and his 3 co-workers are unemployed and a ocal employer has shut his doors...where is the benefit?? 2nd example...Jimmy is a Paramedic with ABC EMS, the local EMS provider n Smallville Texas.? Jimmy has been in this town his whole life and not nly runs EMS calls for the paid service, but volunteers with Smallville FD.? While sitting in the day room, Jimmy hears tones drop for mallville to assist Tinyville VFD with a large grass fire threatening omes.? Jimmy takes off his EMS radio, hands the keys to his partner the EMS Director today) and bolts to his truck.? Again, Jimmy is 4th erson on the brush truck and responds to Tinyville to help put out the ire.? ABC EMS is now out of service...because they are paid...but there s still just one truck on-duty... See the problem with this type law is that it applies to EVERYONE in VERY situation.? That means that EMS employers could lose vital help to FD's in small communities leaving the EMS system in jeopardy...or cops eaving patrol....or school teachers leaving classrooms..-.nurses eaving hospitals...-whatever.-? It is the perfect out to the mediocre mployee who is having a bad day, just got counseled about a performance ssue...or just doesn't want to be at work that day....and there is NO emediation to the employer.? That is why I am curious as to how big a problem this is, or is a law to protect " everyone just a feel good measure that would have unintended onsequences?-? How about local agencies (who are constantly working ith local businesses and citizens for raising funds) having a meeting ith the local businesses to not only recruit more volunteers but to get heir buy-in to employees leaving the work place when needed...sharing chedules ahead of time, last minute changes, etc.? This way the olunteer's employers are in the loop and understanding they are not etting the shaft or being taken advantage of. Will it work everytime?? No...I'm not that naive...but my other question s how often are volunteers not leaving a workplace where they probably ould because they don't want to lose the money...or are we expecting hem to get paid while away too? Dudley -----Original Message----- rom: HYPERLINK " mailto:je.hill%40att.net " je.hill (AT) att (DOT) -net o: HYPERLINK mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com " texasems-l@... ent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 7:05 am ubject: Re: Re: Volunteer Law Wel l, darn, this really stinks then. I wonder why those didn't make it out f committee? I guess that would have been an example of needing better ational representation, huh? It is sad that there would even have to be an issue like this, specially in today's day and age. And I won't even vocalize my thoughts n Rick on this issue. Jane Hill --------------- Original message from HYPERLINK mailto:wegandy1938%40aol.com " wegandy1938@-aol.com: --------------- Jane, I think you're referring to The Volunteer Firefighter and EMS Personnel ob rotection Act which was introduced in the 109th Congress, 2nd session, n both he House and the Senate. It was H. R. 3949 and S. 2399. Both bills were assigned to committees, and neither of them made it out of the ommittee, so hey were never voted on nor passed. Recently the governors of both Illinois and Missouri signed into law the ame aws that were vetoed by Governor Rick (Goodhair) . The other act you may be referring to is the Volunteer Protection Act of 1997, signed into law by President Clinton. It provides Good Samaritan ype rotection for volunteers who work for 501©(3) type organizations. It as othing to do with protection of the jobs of firefighters or EMS ersonnel. Gene Gandy, JD, LP n a message dated 7/1/07 9:14:25 AM, HYPERLINK mailto:je.hill%40att.net " je.hill (AT) att (DOT) -net writes: > Am I in a dream state here or wasnt there a federal law that Pres. ush pushed through about this very subject??? And if so, wouldn't it upercede state law if it is more stringent? Anyone know? Jane Hill ------------ -------------<wbr>-- Origwegandy1938@-wegandy: ------------: - Well, now we know how Our Dear Governor Good Hair feels about olunteer firefighters and EMS providers. What are we going to do about this? Ho hum, nothing, of course. Gene G. In a message dated 6/29/07 8:06:21 PM, richardtracy2@-richardtr rites: > > Check out this link. Unfortunately this one was vetoed. > > > HYPERLINK http://www.governorhttp:/www.govehttp:/www.gohttp:/www.ghttp:/www.gover ttp:/ww " http://www.governor-http://www.-govehttp:-//www.gohttp:-//www.g ttp:-//www.goverhttp:-//ww > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this, but 2 yrs ago was > there a > > > bill that passed that deals with volunteer EMS and FD personnel > not > > > being fired from their jobs for going on calls? What was that HB > or SB #? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wayne > > > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > pocket: > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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