Absolutely magnetic question

[Guest guest]

OK, Legal wizards...Wes, Gene, and anyone else...

In an effort to insure that I was actually having crews get the right info on

PCR with regard to the patient's ID, I was looking into the idea of adding a $50

magnetic reader to the computers in our units. Seems that Texas is at the

forefront of compliance with mag strip technology on our DL's. Unfortunately,

Texas is also the only state that will not let anyone but law enforcement, and

the banking industry, swipe the magnetic info off the card. (Class A

misdemeanor for swiping, State Jail felony for compiling database.)

www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/78R/billtext/doc/SB01445F.doc

The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person accesses or

uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's license,

commercial driver's license, or personal identification certificate. The irony

is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The accessible

info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

description...which is included as the photo on the front.) I am not suggesting

the boys and girls in Austin are saying that it is a sin for us to cast our eyes

on anyone's DL. (snicker) But the question remains...what is " electronically

readable " ? If I scan the front of the DL without interfacing the magnetic

strip, and the scanner and software places the same info into the PCR, am I in

trouble? I do not want to do it this way, as the difference in

hardware/software cost is about $700. (But it would also scan Medicare, and

insurance cards as well.-- Am I also about to open a federal can of worms?)

Thanks,

Vernon Gresham, LP

City of Ganado EMS

[Guest guest]

Tech NO Geek

hjb

Absolutely magnetic question

OK, Legal wizards...Wes, Gene, and anyone else...

In an effort to insure that I was actually having crews get the right info on

PCR with regard to the patient's ID, I was looking into the idea of adding a $50

magnetic reader to the computers in our units. Seems that Texas is at the

forefront of compliance with mag strip technology on our DL's. Unfortunately,

Texas is also the only state that will not let anyone but law enforcement, and

the banking industry, swipe the magnetic info off the card. (Class A misdemeanor

for swiping, State Jail felony for compiling database.)

www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/78R/billtext/doc/SB01445F.doc

The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person accesses

or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's license,

commercial driver's license, or personal identification certificate. The irony

is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The accessible info

on the strip only includes the front info and a physical description...which is

included as the photo on the front.) I am not suggesting the boys and girls in

Austin are saying that it is a sin for us to cast our eyes on anyone's DL.

(snicker) But the question remains...what is " electronically readable " ? If I

scan the front of the DL without interfacing the magnetic strip, and the scanner

and software places the same info into the PCR, am I in trouble? I do not want

to do it this way, as the difference in hardware/software cost is about $700.

(But it would also scan Medicare, and insurance cards as well.-- Am I also about

to open a federal can of worms?)

Thanks,

Vernon Gresham, LP

City of Ganado EMS

[Guest guest]

It appears to me that the act only applies to a card scanning device that

translates the information on the magnetic strip. It would not seem to apply

to

simply scanning the face of the card, but I say that finding no court

interpretations of the law.

Gene

>

> OK, Legal wizards...Wes, Gene, and anyone else...

>

> In an effort to insure that I was actually having crews get the right info

> on PCR with regard to the patient's ID, I was looking into the idea of adding

> a $50 magnetic reader to the computers in our units. Seems that Texas is at

> the forefront of compliance with mag strip technology on our DL's.

> Unfortunately, Texas is also the only state that will not let anyone but law

> enforcement, and the banking industry, swipe the magnetic info off the card.

(Class A

> misdemeanor for swiping, State Jail felony for compiling database.)

> www.legis.state. In an effort In an effort In an effort In

>

> The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's

> license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification certificate.

The

> irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

description.

> The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's

> license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification certificate.

The

> irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

description.<

> wbr>..which is included as the photo on the front.) I am not suggesting the

> boys and girls in Austin are saying that it is a sin for us to cast our eyes

> on anyone's DL. (snicker) But the question remains...wh

>

> Thanks,

>

> Vernon Gresham, LP

> City of Ganado EMS

>

>

[Guest guest]

The act also provides that the information can be used for " a governmental

purpose. " That that means is anybody's guess. It might be arguable that a

governmentally owned EMS service could access the information for billing.

The Act also allows people who sell cigarettes and tobacco to access the

information. So just get a license to sell tobacco out of your ambulances and

you're clear. LOL.

But seriously, folks!!! Ask your city attorney for an opinion. He might

want to ask the Attorney General for an opinion. It's a good question.

Gene

In a message dated 6/18/07 6:48:13 PM, Wegandy1938 writes:

> It appears to me that the act only applies to a card scanning device that

> translates the information on the magnetic strip. It would not seem to apply

> to simply scanning the face of the card, but I say that finding no court

> interpretations of the law.

>

> Gene

>

>

>

>

>

> OK, Legal wizards...Wes, Gene, and anyone else...

>

> In an effort to insure that I was actually having crews get the right info

> on PCR with regard to the patient's ID, I was looking into the idea of adding

> a $50 magnetic reader to the computers in our units. Seems that Texas is at

> the forefront of compliance with mag strip technology on our DL's.

> Unfortunately, Texas is also the only state that will not let anyone but law

> enforcement, and the banking industry, swipe the magnetic info off the card.

(Class A

> misdemeanor for swiping, State Jail felony for compiling database.)

> www.legis.state. In an effort In an effort In an effort In

>

> The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's

> license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification certificate.

The

> irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

description.

> The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's

> license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification certificate.

The

> irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

description.<

> wbr>..which is included as the photo on the front.) I am not suggesting the

> boys and girls in Austin are saying that it is a sin for us to cast our eyes

> on anyone's DL. (snicker) But the question remains...wh

>

> Thanks,

>

> Vernon Gresham, LP

> City of Ganado EMS

>

>

[Guest guest]

According to the Texas Transporation Code is wasn't unless it was done by an

ABC enforcement officer.

GG

>

> i had the mag strip on my dl scanned to get int a BAR last month. that

> wasn't legal???

>

> jim davis

>

> " Vernon A. Gresham " wrote: OK, Legal wizards...Wes, Gene,

> and anyone else...

>

> In an effort to insure that I was actually having crews get the right info

> on PCR with regard to the patient's ID, I was looking into the idea of adding

> a $50 magnetic reader to the computers in our units. Seems that Texas is at

> the forefront of compliance with mag strip technology on our DL's.

> Unfortunately, Texas is also the only state that will not let anyone but law

> enforcement, and the banking industry, swipe the magnetic info off the card.

(Class A

> misdemeanor for swiping, State Jail felony for compiling database.)

> www.legis.state. In an effor In an effo In an effo I

>

> The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's

> license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification certificate.

The

> irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

description.

> The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's

> license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification certificate.

The

> irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

description.<

> wbr>..which is included as the photo on the front.) I am not suggesting the

> boys and girls in Austin are saying that it is a sin for us to cast our eyes

> on anyone's DL. (snicker) But the question remains...

>

> Thanks,

>

> Vernon Gresham, LP

> City of Ganado EMS

>

>

[Guest guest]

This law is like so many in Texas--a hodgepodge of provisions thought up by

various interests and tacked onto the law. It was passed in 2003, and it's

obsolete since there are scanners that will convert the face of the card to

electronic data and even store the picture, and that's not against the law, or

at

least I don't think it is.

The Texas Lege passes way too many laws. Actually, if they only met every

10 years we would all be better off.

GG

>

> So the process of having your license swiped at a liquor store is not legal

> if the establishment does not also sell tobacco? Interesting. i

>

>

> >

> > According to the Texas Transporation Code is wasn't unless it was done

> > by an

> > ABC enforcement officer.

> >

> > GG

> > In a message dated 6/18/07 7:50:15 PM, james_dav_bmcg@james_dav<

> james_dav_bmcg%james_dav_b><wbr>wr

> >

> > >

> > > i had the mag strip on my dl scanned to get int a BAR last month. that

> > > wasn't legal???

> > >

> > > jim davis

> > >

> > > " Vernon A. Gresham " <vgresham@... <vgresham%40ykc.vgr>> wrote: OK,

> > Legal wizards...Wes, Gene,

> > > and anyone else...

> > >

> > > In an effort to insure that I was actually having crews get the right

> > info

> > > on PCR with regard to the patient's ID, I was looking into the idea of

> > adding

> > > a $50 magnetic reader to the computers in our units. Seems that Texas is

> > at

> > > the forefront of compliance with mag strip technology on our DL's.

> > > Unfortunately, Texas is also the only state that will not let anyone but

> > law

> > > enforcement, and the banking industry, swipe the magnetic info off the

> > card. (Class A

> > > misdemeanor for swiping, State Jail felony for compiling database.)

> > > www.legis.state. In an effor In an effo In an effo I

> > >

> > > The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> > > accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a

> > driver's

> > > license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification

> > certificate. The

> > > irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> > > accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

> > description.

> > > The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> > > accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a

> > driver's

> > > license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification

> > certificate. The

> > > irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> > > accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

> > description.<

> > > wbr>..which is included as the photo on the front.) I am not suggesting

> > the

> > > boys and girls in Austin are saying that it is a sin for us to cast our

> > eyes

> > > on anyone's DL. (snicker) But the question remains...

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Vernon Gresham, LP

> > > City of Ganado EMS

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

i had the mag strip on my dl scanned to get int a BAR last month. that wasn't

legal???

jim davis

" Vernon A. Gresham " wrote:

OK, Legal wizards...Wes, Gene, and anyone else...

In an effort to insure that I was actually having crews get the right info on

PCR with regard to the patient's ID, I was looking into the idea of adding a $50

magnetic reader to the computers in our units. Seems that Texas is at the

forefront of compliance with mag strip technology on our DL's. Unfortunately,

Texas is also the only state that will not let anyone but law enforcement, and

the banking industry, swipe the magnetic info off the card. (Class A

misdemeanor for swiping, State Jail felony for compiling database.)

www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/78R/billtext/doc/SB01445F.doc

The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person accesses

or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's license,

commercial driver's license, or personal identification certificate. The irony

is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The accessible

info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

description...which is included as the photo on the front.) I am not suggesting

the boys and girls in Austin are saying that it is a sin for us to cast our eyes

on anyone's DL. (snicker) But the question remains...what is " electronically

readable " ? If I scan the front of the DL without interfacing the magnetic

strip, and the scanner and software places the same info into the PCR, am I in

trouble? I do not want to do it this way, as the difference in

hardware/software cost is about $700. (But it would also scan Medicare, and

insurance cards as well.-- Am I also about to open a federal can of worms?)

Thanks,

Vernon Gresham, LP

City of Ganado EMS

[Guest guest]

So the process of having your license swiped at a liquor store is not legal

if the establishment does not also sell tobacco? Interesting...

>

> According to the Texas Transporation Code is wasn't unless it was done

> by an

> ABC enforcement officer.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 6/18/07 7:50:15 PM,

james_dav_bmcg@...<james_dav_bmcg%40yahoo.com>writes:

>

> >

> > i had the mag strip on my dl scanned to get int a BAR last month. that

> > wasn't legal???

> >

> > jim davis

> >

> > " Vernon A. Gresham " <vgresham@... <vgresham%40ykc.vgr>> wrote: OK,

> Legal wizards...Wes, Gene,

> > and anyone else...

> >

> > In an effort to insure that I was actually having crews get the right

> info

> > on PCR with regard to the patient's ID, I was looking into the idea of

> adding

> > a $50 magnetic reader to the computers in our units. Seems that Texas is

> at

> > the forefront of compliance with mag strip technology on our DL's.

> > Unfortunately, Texas is also the only state that will not let anyone but

> law

> > enforcement, and the banking industry, swipe the magnetic info off the

> card. (Class A

> > misdemeanor for swiping, State Jail felony for compiling database.)

> > www.legis.state. In an effor In an effo In an effo I

> >

> > The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> > accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a

> driver's

> > license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification

> certificate. The

> > irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> > accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

> description.

> > The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> > accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a

> driver's

> > license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification

> certificate. The

> > irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable. (The

> > accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a physical

> description.<

> > wbr>..which is included as the photo on the front.) I am not suggesting

> the

> > boys and girls in Austin are saying that it is a sin for us to cast our

> eyes

> > on anyone's DL. (snicker) But the question remains...

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Vernon Gresham, LP

> > City of Ganado EMS

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

HEB scanned mine (mag strip) and got the address, name, etc. when I went to

buy pseudoephedrine...

Mike

>

> This law is like so many in Texas--a hodgepodge of provisions thought up

> by

> various interests and tacked onto the law. It was passed in 2003, and it's

>

> obsolete since there are scanners that will convert the face of the card

> to

> electronic data and even store the picture, and that's not against the

> law, or at

> least I don't think it is.

>

> The Texas Lege passes way too many laws. Actually, if they only met every

> 10 years we would all be better off.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 6/18/07 8:26:40 PM,

jpercer@...<jpercer%40gmail.com>writes:

>

> >

> > So the process of having your license swiped at a liquor store is not

> legal

> > if the establishment does not also sell tobacco? Interesting. i

> >

> >

> > >

> > > According to the Texas Transporation Code is wasn't unless it was done

> > > by an

> > > ABC enforcement officer.

>

> > >

> > > GG

> > > In a message dated 6/18/07 7:50:15 PM, james_dav_bmcg@james_dav<

> > james_dav_bmcg%james_dav_b><wbr>wr

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > i had the mag strip on my dl scanned to get int a BAR last month.

> that

> > > > wasn't legal???

> > > >

> > > > jim davis

> > > >

> > > > " Vernon A. Gresham " <vgresham@...

<vgresham%40ykc.vgr><vgresham%40ykc.vgr>> wrote: OK,

> > > Legal wizards...Wes, Gene,

> > > > and anyone else...

> > > >

> > > > In an effort to insure that I was actually having crews get the

> right

> > > info

> > > > on PCR with regard to the patient's ID, I was looking into the idea

> of

> > > adding

> > > > a $50 magnetic reader to the computers in our units. Seems that

> Texas is

> > > at

> > > > the forefront of compliance with mag strip technology on our DL's.

> > > > Unfortunately, Texas is also the only state that will not let anyone

> but

> > > law

> > > > enforcement, and the banking industry, swipe the magnetic info off

> the

> > > card. (Class A

> > > > misdemeanor for swiping, State Jail felony for compiling database.)

> > > > www.legis.state. In an effor In an effo In an effo I

> > > >

> > > > The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> > > > accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a

> > > driver's

> > > > license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification

> > > certificate. The

> > > > irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable.

> (The

> > > > accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a

> physical

> > > description.

> > > > The bill, as adopted, says a person commits an offense if the person

> > > > accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a

> > > driver's

> > > > license, commercial driver's license, or personal identification

> > > certificate. The

> > > > irony is, all of the info on a DL is now electronically readable.

> (The

> > > > accessible info on the strip only includes the front info and a

> physical

> > > description.<

> > > > wbr>..which is included as the photo on the front.) I am not

> suggesting

> > > the

> > > > boys and girls in Austin are saying that it is a sin for us to cast

> our

> > > eyes

> > > > on anyone's DL. (snicker) But the question remains...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Vernon Gresham, LP

> > > > City of Ganado EMS

> > > >

> > > >