RE: texasems-L] bee attack - final note

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In a message dated 6/15/2007 1:30:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

emsdir@... writes:

The simple thing here is that they have

a product, I need it,

So does HEB if the OTC Dawn approach is shown to work why spend $$$ when you

could spend $.

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In a message dated 6/15/2007 12:52:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

tekmailgroup@... writes:

Ok, is this not a marketing ploy or what????

A bot of one yes I'd say but also some truth, not al foams are " safe " and

frankly from a pure chemical safety standpoint ALL chemicals are potentially

dangerous in the right quantity etc.

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I guess that would be a sales tool. The simple thing here is that they have

a product, I need it, I will look into buying it. In our location, the

reason we as EMS have some difficulty getting the FD to turn the foam on is

because it is designed for fighting fire, not dealing with bees, and the

local VFD does not care to defend the potential liability of dousing someone

with something they are not supposed to. We work well together, but this is

one area they are not comfortable dealing with.

Even with all the other suggestions, I am pursuing the use of the system

referenced in the link.

The company did not jump on the list and start advertising. Their link was

provided because of multiple requests and need for some kind of system to

deal with a very real problem.

If you need/want it, go to the site! If you already have a solution and

don't want their product, don't go to the site.

Once again, thanks Dr. Bledsoe for sending me the much needed info

, Director

Seminole EMS

302 S. Main

Seminole, Texas 79360

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texasems-L] bee attack - final note

Here is a quote from the website...

" Firefighter's foam and other chemicals used in the past are dangerous to

both victims and the environment. The BeeAlert formula is safe. "

Ok, is this not a marketing ploy or what????

Here is the link to the page, it is in the right hand column, 2nd paragraph

from the bottom.

E. Ketchum

KD5WBU

Po Box 534

Navasota, TX 77868

teketchum@embarqmai <mailto:teketchum%40embarqmail.com> l.com

Make sure to notice the change of email address!!

Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell 'em, " Certainly I can! "

Then get busy and find out how to do it. - Theodore Roosevelt (1859-1919)

bee atack - final note

Dr. Bledsoe, thanks for the link. I am looking into funding for the system

immediately.

To everyone on the list. Thanks for the information. If you live in an area

that has had any indication of the African Bees, get ready now. Do not get

caught without a plan like we did today.

Things we realized after review:

1. These bees attack in large numbers and over a large

area.

2. They were drawn to attack dark color clothing more

aggressively than light colors.

3. Small pets die quickly - there were a number of cats

that did not escape.

4. Swatting pisses them off.

5. Running and waving your arms pisses them off.

6. You can not outrun them.

7. Bunker gear and duct tape still leaves openings for

bees to enter.

8. Bees can get into a Troopers shirt and under the body

armor.

9. A trooper can get naked in the front seat of the patrol

car when his shirt is full of bees.

10. Bees have no respect for Paramedics!

11. When you think you have your initial (ho-hum) call for a

bee sting under control, all hell will break loose.

12. We do not carry enough Benadryl, Epi. 1:1,000, Epi pens

and protective clothing.

13. Every Tom, Dick and Harry will walk into the attack after

you told them to leave and then want you to come take care of them.

14. The press is immune to attack (so I gather, as I was

informed they had the right to go take their pictures)

15. # 14 is false

16. There is a very real need to have a written policy between

the EMS and local VFD for aid in extricating patients to a safe area.

17. The bees are here and we were not adequately prepared for

the severity of the attack

18. We will improve in short time!

19. The sting between the eyes hurt like you know what!

After all the work we have attempted to do since 9-11, All the homeland

money spent, all the NIMS, bioterrorism training and all that stuff. We came

close to getting our butt kicked by Mother Nature.

Good news is everyone survived. Three most serious patients were released to

go home after 4-5 hour stay in ER.

, Director

Seminole EMS

302 S. Main

Seminole, Texas 79360

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In a message dated 6/15/2007 5:10:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

Who is going to apply the Dawn before the FD arrives? This BeeAlert thing is

to provide a window to rescue the patient. It can be used to kill as can

foam. In many counties in Texas FD responses are because of the volunteer

factor.

BEB

Why cant you carry dawn and a sprayer in the box?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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In a message dated 6/15/2007 5:50:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

I have a great new camera. Let's meet and I'll take some photos while you

spray Dawn or Palmolive on an AHB hive.

Doc you are very correct in that I have not been near AHBs, nor am I in the

mood (any mood mind you) to get near any in the near or long term!

I've learned more about bites and stings in the past 5 years then any self

respecting Yankee needs to know but I respect your point and maybe I am

oversimplifying the response.

I find it not so amusing that I recall the movie Swarm and remember thinking

" what a crock " , maybe not so much a crock?

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Who is going to apply the Dawn before the FD arrives? This BeeAlert thing is

to provide a window to rescue the patient. It can be used to kill as can

foam. In many counties in Texas FD responses are because of the volunteer

factor.

BEB

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of lnmolino@...

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:10 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: texasems-L] bee attack - final note

In a message dated 6/15/2007 1:30:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

emsdir@... <mailto:emsdir%40mywdo.com> writes:

The simple thing here is that they have

a product, I need it,

So does HEB if the OTC Dawn approach is shown to work why spend $$$ when you

could spend $.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com>

(Cell Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

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It's an interesting observation that there are now 11 messages here with

the title " Bee Attack - Final Note " . There's final then there's...Final?

=Steve=

lnmolino@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 6/15/2007 12:52:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> tekmailgroup@... writes:

>

> Ok, is this not a marketing ploy or what????

>

>

> A bot of one yes I'd say but also some truth, not al foams are " safe " and

> frankly from a pure chemical safety standpoint ALL chemicals are potentially

> dangerous in the right quantity etc.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

> original author.

>

>

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lou:

You have obviously never been around AHBs. They swarm and attach from all

sides and will get under protective clothing. Foams and soaps (surfactants)

do clog the pores between the body hairs and can asphyxiate the bees. But,

to perform a quick rescue you either have to lay down a lot of foam and kill

the hive and the patrolling drones, or use a fog to protect the rescuers

while rescue is underway. Simply carrying dishwashing soap in a box and

mixing a mixture to spray through whatever will get you into trouble. To

take down a hive you need at least 3 people, form and a foam generator.

I have a great new camera. Let's meet and I'll take some photos while you

spray Dawn or Palmolive on an AHB hive.

BEB

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of lnmolino@...

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:41 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: texasems-L] bee attack - final note

In a message dated 6/15/2007 5:10:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> writes:

Who is going to apply the Dawn before the FD arrives? This BeeAlert thing is

to provide a window to rescue the patient. It can be used to kill as can

foam. In many counties in Texas FD responses are because of the volunteer

factor.

BEB

Why cant you carry dawn and a sprayer in the box?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com>

(Cell Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

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discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

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author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

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