Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:28:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: Foam supposedly is great for bee attacks. CAFS works well I hear. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I have seen foam used, and it works wonderfully......... Ron In a message dated 6/14/2007 11:28:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: Around here, most places are responding an engine company from the fire department. Foam supposedly is great for bee attacks. -Wes Ogilvie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 In a message dated 6/14/2007 2:54:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, emsfire@... writes: CAFS and " Foam " are the same. Difference is how and where it is mixed with air. Nope, foam is generally the term used to describe a Class B firefighting agent and CAFS is Class A agent. They are very different animals. Class B foams are not near as viscous as CAFS or any other Class A foam for that matter and for that reason they will not allow you to " paint " a tree or a structure as you would need to do so with a bee attack. One could likely use HI-EX foam which is also a Class A agent and more akin to the dish soap suggestion that was made by another person in this thread and frankly would likely be the cheapest (dish soap that is) agent to use in this environment and won't hurt anyone's tank at all assuming you take the time to wash out the tank with fresh water prior to the application. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Here I am again, looking for anyone who has a good bee attack plan. We just worked a bee attack at an apartment complex. 12 residents, guests and maintenance worker transported, 2 firemen with heat exhaustion, 1 Paramedic with allergic reaction. Exterminator was on scene rapidly to deal with the hive; however we had great difficulty with patients who had been swarmed and were covered with live bees. We had few stings in the truck, but we did have to kill hundreds of bees that were still on the patients when they were brought to the trucks. Does anyone have a safe effective method to kill the bees that are swarming a patient so that the patient can be treated? We have had an increasing number of the aggressive bees in this area, but this is our first attack. A roofer checking a leak was the source of stimulus for the swarm. Most patients were at a yard sale a few doors down. Feel free to respond offline. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I too would like to know the answer, just incase I'm ever faced with this scenario. R. FF/EMT bee attack Here I am again, looking for anyone who has a good bee attack plan. We just worked a bee attack at an apartment complex. 12 residents, guests and maintenance worker transported, 2 firemen with heat exhaustion, 1 Paramedic with allergic reaction. Exterminator was on scene rapidly to deal with the hive; however we had great difficulty with patients who had been swarmed and were covered with live bees. We had few stings in the truck, but we did have to kill hundreds of bees that were still on the patients when they were brought to the trucks. Does anyone have a safe effective method to kill the bees that are swarming a patient so that the patient can be treated? We have had an increasing number of the aggressive bees in this area, but this is our first attack. A roofer checking a leak was the source of stimulus for the swarm. Most patients were at a yard sale a few doors down. Feel free to respond offline. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Around here, most places are responding an engine company from the fire department. Foam supposedly is great for bee attacks. -Wes Ogilvie bee attack Here I am again, looking for anyone who has a good bee attack plan. We just worked a bee attack at an apartment complex. 12 residents, guests and maintenance worker transported, 2 firemen with heat exhaustion, 1 Paramedic with allergic reaction. Exterminator was on scene rapidly to deal with the hive; however we had great difficulty with patients who had been swarmed and were covered with live bees. We had few stings in the truck, but we did have to kill hundreds of bees that were still on the patients when they were brought to the trucks. Does anyone have a safe effective method to kill the bees that are swarming a patient so that the patient can be treated? We have had an increasing number of the aggressive bees in this area, but this is our first attack. A roofer checking a leak was the source of stimulus for the swarm. Most patients were at a yard sale a few doors down. Feel free to respond offline. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 http://www.beealert.com/ They are a Houston-based company that provides Bee protection. BEB From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:05 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: bee attack I too would like to know the answer, just incase I'm ever faced with this scenario. R. FF/EMT bee attack Here I am again, looking for anyone who has a good bee attack plan. We just worked a bee attack at an apartment complex. 12 residents, guests and maintenance worker transported, 2 firemen with heat exhaustion, 1 Paramedic with allergic reaction. Exterminator was on scene rapidly to deal with the hive; however we had great difficulty with patients who had been swarmed and were covered with live bees. We had few stings in the truck, but we did have to kill hundreds of bees that were still on the patients when they were brought to the trucks. Does anyone have a safe effective method to kill the bees that are swarming a patient so that the patient can be treated? We have had an increasing number of the aggressive bees in this area, but this is our first attack. A roofer checking a leak was the source of stimulus for the swarm. Most patients were at a yard sale a few doors down. Feel free to respond offline. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 We recently had a bee attack here in Bastrop County. Two patients with 150+/- stings each, the EMT-I on the truck got nailed about 30 times, and a truck FULL of bees while they got the patients aboard and fled the scene. They chased the bees out with no severe difficulties. The Paramedic was fortunate to have not been turned into an over-used pin cushion, as were the first responders, firefighters and deputies. My regular partner (EXTREMELY allergic to bee stings/carries 2 Epi-Pens at all times) was on a back-up truck for this response, and was the one OUTSIDE the rig feeding medications to the " worker bees " inside the rig. Luckily for everyone involved, it was not a colony of Africanized bees, just a colony of really angry honeybees. Barry McClung, EMT-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 In a message dated 6/14/2007 4:58:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aggiesrwe03@... writes: The new gear coming out that is up to the newest NFPA standard is supposed to be sealed at all exposure points due to the threat of bio or chemical attack but if I had to choose I would still tape all possible expose points cause pissed off bees can crawl!! Finally a sensible reason to by CBRN compliant ToG! NOT. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 CAFS and " Foam " are the same. Difference is how and where it is mixed with air. and yes, foam does work well, I hear just soap in water (which is basically the same as class A foam, in the way it works) works also. class a foam isnt harmful so in a bad situation, you could cover your patients and personell in foam to kill bees. my FD responds to bees. the utility crews call us when they find bees in water meters etc. we usually just stand across the street and foam 'em. garrett aka 'ReD " Re: bee attack In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:28:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: Foam supposedly is great for bee attacks. CAFS works well I hear. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I just attended a class on bee and the dish soap dawn mixed with water was recommended. Ed Walsh LP lnmolino@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:28:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > ExLngHrn@... <mailto:ExLngHrn%40aol.com> writes: > > Foam supposedly is great for bee attacks. > > CAFS works well I hear. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant > LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com> > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author > and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated > with unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public > domain by the > original author. > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. <http://www.aol.com.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I have also heard that any liquid dish soap worked on them... I have never tried it personally though. Belinda Thacker LP Ed Walsh wrote: I just attended a class on bee and the dish soap dawn mixed with water was recommended. Ed Walsh LP lnmolino@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:28:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > ExLngHrn@... <mailto:ExLngHrn%40aol.com> writes: > > Foam supposedly is great for bee attacks. > > CAFS works well I hear. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant > LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com> > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author > and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated > with unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public > domain by the > original author. > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. <http://www.aol.com.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I have also heard that any liquid dish soap worked on them... I have never tried it personally though. Belinda Thacker LP Ed Walsh wrote: I just attended a class on bee and the dish soap dawn mixed with water was recommended. Ed Walsh LP lnmolino@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:28:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > ExLngHrn@... <mailto:ExLngHrn%40aol.com> writes: > > Foam supposedly is great for bee attacks. > > CAFS works well I hear. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant > LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com> > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author > and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated > with unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public > domain by the > original author. > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. <http://www.aol.com.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Yes, foam and " Dawn " (dish soap) is VERY effective in mitigating a dangerous bee situation. IIRC, the soap " clogs " the respiratory system of the bees (pores in their hides), suffocating them. Barry _________________________________________________________________ Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club. http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 , I know where you're coming from. I was repairing fences at my ranch and ran into a bunch of bees who weren't real happy to see me and my chainsaw. Luckily the fence I was repairing was only a panicked fat guy's sprint from the deep part of my creek (6 feet at that spot). My graceful swan dive off the 4-foot bank would have made Mark Spitz jealous! This was also the same fence repair that later had me meeting with a black & white furry critter, but that's another six-pack story... Barry _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Windows Live Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free.  http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 My Vol. dept. policy is Full Bunkers including airpack with tape at all exposed areas (around gloves, boots, Etc,) or a certified Bee suit not sure where to buy but try a uniform or bunker gear supplier. Approach with a handline with a fog pattern running some sort of foam ( I say some sort because foam is expensive but one person said Dawn or joy and that will work just fine) the theory is that the water will weigh the bees down so they cannot fly and the foam will clog their respritory system. The new gear coming out that is up to the newest NFPA standard is supposed to be sealed at all exposure points due to the threat of bio or chemical attack but if I had to choose I would still tape all possible expose points cause pissed off bees can crawl!! Finally stage all response personnel well away from the scene unless they are directly involved with the removal, we basicly treat bee attacks like haz-mats and only let trained people go into the " hot zone " and defiantly no one with allergies goes in of course that is in a perfect world we don't do any sort of shelter n place or evacuation for bees but that's the basics behind our pre-plan for bees hope that helps - Chris From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:05 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: bee attack I too would like to know the answer, just incase I'm ever faced with this scenario. R. FF/EMT bee attack Here I am again, looking for anyone who has a good bee attack plan. We just worked a bee attack at an apartment complex. 12 residents, guests and maintenance worker transported, 2 firemen with heat exhaustion, 1 Paramedic with allergic reaction. Exterminator was on scene rapidly to deal with the hive; however we had great difficulty with patients who had been swarmed and were covered with live bees. We had few stings in the truck, but we did have to kill hundreds of bees that were still on the patients when they were brought to the trucks. Does anyone have a safe effective method to kill the bees that are swarming a patient so that the patient can be treated? We have had an increasing number of the aggressive bees in this area, but this is our first attack. A roofer checking a leak was the source of stimulus for the swarm. Most patients were at a yard sale a few doors down. Feel free to respond offline. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Department policy states that at certain scenes, one must take the role of a FF or as a Paramedic. We will on occasion, approach as FF’s with foam for large swarms of bees that pose a danger to the public. EMS stages a safe distance from the scene. It is at these very times, I choose to be a Paramedic. All the duct tape in the world does not close the gaps, this I know from past experience. From my air conditioned cab, I can open the phone book or dial 1411 and find anyone an exterminator…….just a thought…. Seriously though, there are times we will approach the scene, my concern I more for removing the patient from the area, and let someone else worry about the bees. If your patient has been stung repeatedly, we need to concentrate on removing him from the environment, not agitating the environment around him even more. Once the patient is away from the scene, whatever relationship you choose to create with mother nature is entirely between you and your department I think the original post asked for bee sting protocols, my thought has been for many years, and continues to be, remove your patient from harm without inflicting harm to yourself. Re: bee attack I too would like to know the answer, just incase I'm ever faced with this scenario. R. FF/EMT bee attack Here I am again, looking for anyone who has a good bee attack plan. We just worked a bee attack at an apartment complex. 12 residents, guests and maintenance worker transported, 2 firemen with heat exhaustion, 1 Paramedic with allergic reaction. Exterminator was on scene rapidly to deal with the hive; however we had great difficulty with patients who had been swarmed and were covered with live bees. We had few stings in the truck, but we did have to kill hundreds of bees that were still on the patients when they were brought to the trucks. Does anyone have a safe effective method to kill the bees that are swarming a patient so that the patient can be treated? We have had an increasing number of the aggressive bees in this area, but this is our first attack. A roofer checking a leak was the source of stimulus for the swarm. Most patients were at a yard sale a few doors down. Feel free to respond offline. , Director Seminole EMS 302 S. Main Seminole, Texas 79360 FAX Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 CAFS stands for Compressed Air Foam System, no where in there does that state what TYPE of foam the system is using. CAFS can be used with Class A & B foam. and yes AFFF and Class B foam is not as viscous as Class A. Also, tanks need to be flushed when they have foam added as well as if they had soap added. Re: bee attack In a message dated 6/14/2007 2:54:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, emsfire@... writes: CAFS and " Foam " are the same. Difference is how and where it is mixed with air. Nope, foam is generally the term used to describe a Class B firefighting agent and CAFS is Class A agent. They are very different animals. Class B foams are not near as viscous as CAFS or any other Class A foam for that matter and for that reason they will not allow you to " paint " a tree or a structure as you would need to do so with a bee attack. One could likely use HI-EX foam which is also a Class A agent and more akin to the dish soap suggestion that was made by another person in this thread and frankly would likely be the cheapest (dish soap that is) agent to use in this environment and won't hurt anyone's tank at all assuming you take the time to wash out the tank with fresh water prior to the application. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Hi, Just wanted to both introduce myself, as well as chime in on the bee discussion. I'm a recently certified EMT-B, and am currently taking a paramedic class in Hays County. I've been reading everyone's posts since January, but was too shy to say anything. On the bee topic - I have a bit of experience, as my family has had bee hives since I was just a kid, and we've had to wipe out an " Africanized " hive a time or two. As has been said, a strong concentration of liquid detergent in water works very well. And you can also use Pledge or Endust, as these will also clog the bees' pores so they can't breath. It may sound weird, but it works. (As a side note, the liquid detergent solution also works great for long-distance wasp extermination when used with a Super Soaker water gun.) Madalyn He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful. 1 Corinthians 1:8,9 ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 As far as CAFS is concerned, yes all the manufactures say Class B Agents can be used with CAFS equipment and in theory they can BUT everyone I know that has experience with Class B firefighting (including myself) has yet to see one that can pass the UL 162 test which is the standard which all foams are measured against. I know of no one using it in industry as a measure of protection for Class B fires. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 In a message dated 14-Jun-07 16:31:10 Central Daylight Time, fyremedic78133@... writes: My graceful swan dive off the 4-foot bank would have made Mark Spitz jealous! point of order: Mark Spitz is a pure swimmer...Greg Louganis is the diver... ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 No, it WOULD have made him jealous - because I can dive and he CAN'T! lol!Barry To: texasems-l@...: krin135@...: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:53:49 -0400Subject: Re: bee attack point of order:Mark Spitz is a pure swimmer...Greg Louganis is the diver...ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP _._,___ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! Check out the New MSN Mobile! http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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