Re: ER, EMD and 911 failure in CA

June 15, 2007

I worked in L.A. and have been to this hospital

several times. It is a pit. The place is grossly

understaffed and very in adaquate. They shut their

trauma center a couple of years back. As the County

Health Department stated in 2004[ KING-DREW{ as it was

known] IS A BLEEDING SORE ON THE HEART OF LOS ANGELES

HEALTH CARE}There are more lawsuits pending against

this facility, than any other hospital in all of

California. This place needs to be bulldozed and all

paitents in that area should be transported to St.

Francis,which is a CHW facility that has level 2

trauma rating. The whole of Los Angeles Health Care is

in dire straits,this is just another incident of lack

of care and inability to see the big picture in that

system.

--- wegandy1938@... wrote:

> Tonight this is the subject of CNN Headline News'

> Grace's show. The

> anchor sitting in for Grace devoted the entire hour

> to it. Lots of

> inflammatory stuff was said, with Gloria Allred, of

> course, the lawyer for the Stars,

> and other lawyers weighing in.

>

> It turns out that the cops had actually arrested

> this woman before she died,

> so she died in custody. That opens up another

> route for liability.

>

> Apparently this hospital is a snake pit and has had

> many, many bad incidents

> in the past and has had much trouble before this.

>

> An interesting aspect that came out during the

> program is that there is

> apparently a security video tape showing the whole

> thing, including the death of

> the woman. According to the lawyers it is now

> being reviewed by the LA County

> DA to see who is going to be charged with what

> criminal acts in connection

> with this.

>

> One of the things that was said is that the hospital

> people thought the stuff

> coming out of the patient's mouth was " chocolate "

> rather than blood.

>

> Stay out of LA if you intend to become sick or

> injured. The hospitals

> stink, EMS stinks, the cops stink, and the air

> stinks.

>

> GG

>

> So more bodies are going to hit the ground before

> it's over.

>

> The hospital sees around 49,000 patients a year in

> its ER. That's about 134

> patients per day which is not that much for a big

> city hospital. Apparently

> it has suffered from understaffing for a long time

> and since it's the " ghetto

> hospital " not a lot of folks want to work there.

>

> In a message dated 6/15/07 10:36:23 AM,

> bigjberry@... writes:

>

> >

> > So let's try this. You get the call per dispatch

> and

> > respond to the hospital. You find the patient in

> > emergent distress and your protocol is to

> transport to

> > the closest hospital (you are already there). You

> roll

> > the patient into the trauma room and the patient

> is

> > seen quicker because they are received by EMS.

> This

> > remains and sad situation, but the root is that

> many

> > hospitals are abused by patients and the media. As

> > always, there is more to this story than the media

> is

> > willing to find and disclose because it is not

> ratings

> > worthy. In closing, I hope that people don't

> figure

> > out that when they are not seen quick enough, they

> > just abuse (call) EMS instead and call the media

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--- wegandy1938@... wrote:

> I don't know California law, but I'd say negligent

> homicide or something like

> that. Contributing to death through neglect may be

> criminal.

>

> Once before a California DA charged an ER physician

> with homicide following a

> patient death. The case didn't get anywhere, but

> as you say, this IS

> Col-ee-for-knee-ah.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 6/15/07 10:03:45 PM,

> larn572001@... writes:

>

> >

> > Inquiring minds want to know... On what charges?

> That sounds too bizarre,

> > even for LaLa land...

> >

> > lnmolino@... wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 6/15/2007 9:39:06 P.M. Central

> Daylight Time,

> > wegandy1938@wegandy writes:

> >

> > It turns out that the cops had actually arrested

> this woman before she died,

> > so she died in custody.

> >

> > Oh and the list of defendants just gets longer and

> longer, cops usually are

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More than likely, she was arrested on 415 P.C.

Disturbance of the peace,a Class C in Texas

--- wegandy1938@... wrote:

> I don't know California law, but I'd say negligent

> homicide or something like

> that. Contributing to death through neglect may be

> criminal.

>

> Once before a California DA charged an ER physician

> with homicide following a

> patient death. The case didn't get anywhere, but

> as you say, this IS

> Col-ee-for-knee-ah.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 6/15/07 10:03:45 PM,

> larn572001@... writes:

>

> >

> > Inquiring minds want to know... On what charges?

> That sounds too bizarre,

> > even for LaLa land...

> >

> > lnmolino@... wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 6/15/2007 9:39:06 P.M. Central

> Daylight Time,

> > wegandy1938@wegandy writes:

> >

> > It turns out that the cops had actually arrested

> this woman before she died,

> > so she died in custody.

> >

> > Oh and the list of defendants just gets longer and

> longer, cops usually are

> > smarter then this.

> >

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Wayne Edgin wrote:

More than likely, she was arrested on 415 P.C.

Disturbance of the peace,a Class C in Texas

How was she disturbing the peace? Throwing up blood and dying too noisily? How

rude of her!

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You have to remember ,Those folks are the ones whom

found O.J. not guilty.

--- lnmolino@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 6/16/2007 12:05:47 A.M. Central

> Daylight Time,

> larn572001@... writes:

>

> How was she disturbing the peace? Throwing up blood

> and dying too noisily?

> How rude of her!

>

> Ya gotta admit that's harsh even for CA

>

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June 16, 2007

This whole thread brings up a point that is very frightening...

How many agencies in our great state have any dispatch policies?Â Wes started

this thread by throwing the " EMD " acronym into the Subject line...but this isn't

about EMD...this is about policies that say WHEN and WHEN NOT an ambulance

should be sent.

How many agencies are dispatched by an agency they have no control over...say

PD, FD, County SO, etc?Â If so, when do they decide to send an ambulance?Â How

do you monitor that for compliance?Â Asking this because recently we have had

some " anomalies " crop up with one of the 6 differing PSAP's that start the

ambulance dispatch process.Â Once (about a month ago)Â an agencyÂ talked a

caller out of needing an ambulance...fortunately this happened after first

responders were enroute...so when they arrived on scene, we got a radio

report...crew wasÂ a little surprised to be getting a report on a patient they

had never seen....after pulling tapes, reviewing the call, the agency head saw

no wrong doing on the dispatcher's part because " they were just following the

wishes of the caller " ....not to mention the fact that the caller took over the

call as the operator started the call...and the male caller stated that the

female who had called for help was just over reacting to an argument they had

had...

Or maybe the caller who called after getting stung by bees wanting to know if

she DROVE to the EMS Station could they look to see if the stinger was out and

to make sure she was okay....Dispatcher advised that the EMS crew was out on

another call so no one was at the station...but they should be back in about 10

to 15 minutes if she wanted to drive over then.....

Our policy is ambulances go EVERYTIME, ALL THE TIME...but we are at the mercy of

when our TIME starts...and I just bet this isn't a NE San area issue...I

would suspect this is happening all over the state...nah...I'm probably just

being paranoid...

BTW, this leads to the next question...who can cancel or STOP the ambulance

response...but I know nobody on here is canceling for the caller who called back

911 or the LEO on scene....

Dudley

PS: Thanks Gene for stating the fact that EMS cannot commit an EMTALA

violation...it doesn't apply to us (as long as we are not an arm of a hospital

anyway)...but EMS agencies could surely be sued civilly for damages received by

the hospital if the EMTALA violation occurred because we didn't communicate or

work within the boundaries of the established " system " ...

RE: Re: ER, EMD and 911 failure in CA

So let's try this. You get the call per dispatch and

respond to the hospital. You find the patient in

emergent distress and your protocol is to transport to

the closest hospital (you are already there). You roll

the patient into the trauma room and the patient is

seen quicker because they are received by EMS.

If your patient was found in emergent distress, then it worked out for

the best and everyone goes home with a warm fuzzy feeling. In some areas

I can see where transport to the nearest facility is required, but there

are plenty of hospitals in LA county, and sometimes the closest one is

not necessarily the appropriate one.

This

remains and sad situation, but the root is that many

hospitals are abused by patients and the media.

I agree, so lets make this a hypothetical case, lets say the facts as

presented are exactly how they happened. What do you do then? You are

called to the waiting room of an ER (a busy one) and find your patient

as presented in the media. What now? The abuse of hospitals is without

question, but that does not mean that anyone should die because of it.

This is not a local problem, this is a nationwide issue affecting

facilities, and ultimately patient care.

As

always, there is more to this story than the media is

willing to find and disclose because it is not ratings

worthy. In closing, I hope that people don't figure

out that when they are not seen quick enough, they

just abuse (call) EMS instead and call the media .....

Correct, there are many things left out, was she a frequent flyer?

Maybe, but they get sick and die too.

Food for thought, again, I am curious how this will all pan out.

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June 16, 2007

I believe that she had an outstanding warrant. At least that's what was

said in one report.

GG

>

> More than likely, she was arrested on 415 P.C.

> Disturbance of the peace,a Class C in Texas

> --- wegandy1938@wegandy wrote:

>

> > I don't know California law, but I'd say negligent

> > homicide or something like

> > that. Contributing to death through neglect may be

> > criminal.

> >

> > Once before a California DA charged an ER physician

> > with homicide following a

> > patient death. The case didn't get anywhere, but

> > as you say, this IS

> > Col-ee-for-knee- Co

> >

> > GG

> > In a message dated 6/15/07 10:03:45 PM,

> > larn572001@... writes:

> >

> > >

> > > Inquiring minds want to know... On what charges?

> > That sounds too bizarre,

> > > even for LaLa land...

> > >

> > > lnmolino@... wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 6/15/2007 9:39:06 P.M. Central

> > Daylight Time,

> > > wegandy1938@ wegandy1938@<w

> > >

> > > It turns out that the cops had actually arrested

> > this woman before she died,

> > > so she died in custody.

> > >

> > > Oh and the list of defendants just gets longer and

> > longer, cops usually are

> > > smarter then this.

> > >

> > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Consu

> > Freelance Consultant/Traine

> > > LNMolino@...

> > >

> > > (Cell Phone)

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> > >

> > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> > >

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At the risk of going off topic, which I guess this is, it wasn't the jury's

fault that OJ got off. It was the stupid DAs, Marsha , and the idiot,

Darden, who did the famous glove test that even a first year law student

would know not to have done. The defense didn't win it; the prosecution

lost it, along with the idiot judge.

GG

>

> In a message dated 6/16/2007 12:54:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> ewedgin@... writes:

>

> You have to remember ,Those folks are the ones whom

> found O.J. not guilty.

>

> Jury nullification won't likely happen here.

>

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June 16, 2007

I hope all EMS administrators and 911 administrators will pay attention to

this problem and begin to formulate some reasonable and published policies on

when, IF EVER, a call-taker can decline to send help when a caller asks for it.

There is one huge gap, however, and that is where 911 is handled by either

city cops or county sheriffs. Some do a great job, but some don't have the

faintest clue about what they are doing.

They use their civil immunity to hide behind when they make these errors.

That is something that will require legislation to fix. Don't hold your

breath.

>

> This whole thread brings up a point that is very frightening. T

>

> How many agencies in our great state have any dispatch policies?Â Wes

> started this thread by throwing the " EMD " acronym into the Subject line...but

this

> isn't about EMD...this is about policies that say WHEN and WHEN NOT an

> ambulance should be sent.

>

> How many agencies are dispatched by an agency they have no control

> over...say PD, FD, County SO, etc?Â If so, when do they decide to send an

ambulance?Â

> How do you monitor that for compliance?Â Asking this because recently we have

> had some " anomalies " crop up with one of the 6 differing PSAP's that start

> the ambulance dispatch process.Â Once (about a month ago)Â an agencyÂ talked

a

> caller out of needing an ambulance... How many agencies are dispatched by an

> agency they have no control over...say PD, FD, County SO, etc?Â If so, when

do

> they decide to send an ambulance?Â How do you monitor that for compliance?Â

> Asking this because recently we have had some " anomalies " crop up with one of

> the 6 differing PSAP's that start the ambulance dispatch process.Â Once

> (about a month ago)Â an agencyÂ talked a caller out of needing an

ambulance...

> fortunately this happened after first responders were enroute...so when they

> arrived on scene, we got a radio report...crew wasÂ a little surprised to be

> getti

>

> Or maybe the caller who called after getting stung by bees wanting to know

> if she DROVE to the EMS Station could they look to see if the stinger was out

> and to make sure she was okay....Dispatcher advised that the EMS crew was out

> on another call so no one was at the station...but they should be back in

> about 10 to 15 minutes if she wanted to drive over then.....

>

> Our policy is ambulances go EVERYTIME, ALL THE TIME...but we are at the

> mercy of when our TIME starts...and I just bet this isn't a NE San

area

> issue...I would suspect this is happening all over the state...nah. Our policy

> is ambulances go EVERYTIM

>

> BTW, this leads to the next question...who can cancel or STOP the ambulance

> response...but I know nobody on here is canceling for the caller who called

> back 911 or the LEO on scene....

>

> Dudley

>

> PS: Thanks Gene for stating the fact that EMS cannot commit an EMTALA

> violation... PS: Thanks Gene for stating the fact that EMS cannot commit an

EMTALA

> violation...it doesn't apply to us (as long as we are not an arm of a

> hospital anyway)...but EMS agencies could surely be sued civilly for damages

> received by the hospital if the EMTALA violation occurred be

>

> RE: Re: ER, EMD and 911 failure in CA

>

> So let's try this. You get the call per dispatch and

> respond to the hospital. You find the patient in

> emergent distress and your protocol is to transport to

> the closest hospital (you are already there). You roll

> the patient into the trauma room and the patient is

> seen quicker because they are received by EMS.

>

> If your patient was found in emergent distress, then it worked out for

> the best and everyone goes home with a warm fuzzy feeling. In some areas

> I can see where transport to the nearest facility is required, but there

> are plenty of hospitals in LA county, and sometimes the closest one is

> not necessarily the appropriate one.

>

> This

> remains and sad situation, but the root is that many

> hospitals are abused by patients and the media.

>

> I agree, so lets make this a hypothetical case, lets say the facts as

> presented are exactly how they happened. What do you do then? You are

> called to the waiting room of an ER (a busy one) and find your patient

> as presented in the media. What now? The abuse of hospitals is without

> question, but that does not mean that anyone should die because of it.

> This is not a local problem, this is a nationwide issue affecting

> facilities, and ultimately patient care.

> As

> always, there is more to this story than the media is

> willing to find and disclose because it is not ratings

> worthy. In closing, I hope that people don't figure

> out that when they are not seen quick enough, they

> just abuse (call) EMS instead and call the media .....

> Correct, there are many things left out, was she a frequent flyer?

> Maybe, but they get sick and die too.

>

> Food for thought, again, I am curious how this will all pan out.

>

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June 16, 2007

There could possibly be a federal civil rights case under 42 USC 1983, but

that's a very, very long shot because of the hoops you have to jump through.

Basically you have to show an official policy of discrimination, which I doubt

can be done.

GG

>

> This thing is with out a doubt is going to be played

> out in court. Gene and Wes, of course California

> Superior Court is going to have juristiction. But will

> there be any Federal Causes possible?

> --- wegandy1938@wegandy wrote:

>

> > I believe that she had an outstanding warrant. At

> > least that's what was

> > said in one report.

> >

> > GG

> > In a message dated 6/15/07 11:40:06 PM,

> > ewedgin@... writes:

> >

> > >

> > > More than likely, she was arrested on 415 P.C.

> > > Disturbance of the peace,a Class C in Texas

> > > --- wegandy1938@ --- wegandy19

> > >

> > > > I don't know California law, but I'd say

> > negligent

> > > > homicide or something like

> > > > that. Contributing to death through neglect may

> > be

> > > > criminal.

> > > >

> > > > Once before a California DA charged an ER

> > physician

> > > > with homicide following a

> > > > patient death. The case didn't get anywhere, but

> > > > as you say, this IS

> > > > Col-ee-for-knee- Co

> > > >

> > > > GG

> > > > In a message dated 6/15/07 10:03:45 PM,

> > > > larn572001@... writes:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Inquiring minds want to know... On what

> > charges?

> > > > That sounds too bizarre,

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> > > > >

> > > > > It turns out that the cops had actually

> > arrested

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With the fact that the involved parties were state/county employees

(hospital, 911, and law enforcement), there's always a potential for a claim

under 42

USC 1983, alleging deprivation of civil rights under color of state

authority.

-Wes

In a message dated 6/16/2007 5:41:09 PM Central Daylight Time,

ewedgin@... writes:

This thing is with out a doubt is going to be played

out in court. Gene and Wes, of course California

Superior Court is going to have juristiction. But will

there be any Federal Causes possible?

--- _wegandy1938@wegandy_ (mailto:wegandy1938@...) wrote:

> I believe that she had an outstanding warrant. At

> least that's what was

> said in one report.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 6/15/07 11:40:06 PM,

> _ewedgin@..._ (mailto:ewedgin@...) writes:

>

> >

> > More than likely, she was arrested on 415 P.C.

> > Disturbance of the peace,a Class C in Texas

> > --- wegandy1938@ --- wegan

> >

> > > I don't know California law, but I'd say

> negligent

> > > homicide or something like

> > > that. Contributing to death through neglect may

> be

> > > criminal.

> > >

> > > Once before a California DA charged an ER

> physician

> > > with homicide following a

> > > patient death. The case didn't get anywhere, but

> > > as you say, this IS

> > > Col-ee-for-knee- Co

> > >

> > > GG

> > > In a message dated 6/15/07 10:03:45 PM,

> > > _larn572001@..._ (mailto:larn572001@...) writes:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Inquiring minds want to know... On what

> charges?

> > > That sounds too bizarre,

> > > > even for LaLa land...

> > > >

> > > > _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/15/2007 9:39:06 P.M.

> Central

> > > Daylight Time,

> > > > wegandy1938@ wegandy1938@<w

> > > >

> > > > It turns out that the cops had actually

> arrested

> > > this woman before she died,

> > > > so she died in custody.

> > > >

> > > > Oh and the list of defendants just gets longer

> and

> > > longer, cops usually are

> > > > smarter then this.

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wegandy1938@... wrote: " At the risk of going off topic, which I guess this

is, it wasn't the jury's fault that OJ got off. It was the stupid DAs, Marsha

, and the idiot, Darden, who did the famous glove test that even a

first year law student would know not to have done. The defense didn't win it;

the prosecution lost it, along with the idiot judge. "

I'm not a lawyer, never played one on TV or stayed at a Holiday Inn, but I

agree. ny Cochran (rest his soul) and the 'Dream Team' didn't have to create

doubt; the prosecutors did that by themselves.

While I warm to the subject, I'm glad to see Nifong get the axe. Prosecutorial

misconduct to pander to the electorate, pure and simple. Not a person of moral,

ethical or legal quality.

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Very true. The Scientific Investigative Division, The

Homicide Division,and The whole LAPD jacked up that

one. The jury was just given the tools to bring a

verdict.It was tried in the media before it was ever

filed.I would have hated to have been in the jury pool

for that one.

--- wegandy1938@... wrote:

> At the risk of going off topic, which I guess this

> is, it wasn't the jury's

> fault that OJ got off. It was the stupid DAs,

> Marsha , and the idiot,

> Darden, who did the famous glove test that

> even a first year law student

> would know not to have done. The defense didn't

> win it; the prosecution

> lost it, along with the idiot judge.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 6/16/07 1:26:14 AM,

> lnmolino@... writes:

>

> >

> > In a message dated 6/16/2007 12:54:50 A.M. Central

> Daylight Time,

> > ewedgin@... writes:

> >

> > You have to remember ,Those folks are the ones

> whom

> > found O.J. not guilty.

> >

> > Jury nullification won't likely happen here.

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Yes, she was alleged to have a parole violation per

CNN

--- wegandy1938@... wrote:

> I believe that she had an outstanding warrant. At

> least that's what was

> said in one report.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 6/15/07 11:40:06 PM,

> ewedgin@... writes:

>

> >

> > More than likely, she was arrested on 415 P.C.

> > Disturbance of the peace,a Class C in Texas

> > --- wegandy1938@wegandy wrote:

> >

> > > I don't know California law, but I'd say

> negligent

> > > homicide or something like

> > > that. Contributing to death through neglect may

> be

> > > criminal.

> > >

> > > Once before a California DA charged an ER

> physician

> > > with homicide following a

> > > patient death. The case didn't get anywhere, but

> > > as you say, this IS

> > > Col-ee-for-knee- Co

> > >

> > > GG

> > > In a message dated 6/15/07 10:03:45 PM,

> > > larn572001@... writes:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Inquiring minds want to know... On what

> charges?

> > > That sounds too bizarre,

> > > > even for LaLa land...

> > > >

> > > > lnmolino@... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/15/2007 9:39:06 P.M.

> Central

> > > Daylight Time,

> > > > wegandy1938@ wegandy1938@<w

> > > >

> > > > It turns out that the cops had actually

> arrested

> > > this woman before she died,

> > > > so she died in custody.

> > > >

> > > > Oh and the list of defendants just gets longer

> and

> > > longer, cops usually are

> > > > smarter then this.

> > > >

> > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Consu

> > > Freelance Consultant/Traine

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This thing is with out a doubt is going to be played

out in court. Gene and Wes, of course California

Superior Court is going to have juristiction. But will

there be any Federal Causes possible?

--- wegandy1938@... wrote:

> I believe that she had an outstanding warrant. At

> least that's what was

> said in one report.

>

> GG

> In a message dated 6/15/07 11:40:06 PM,

> ewedgin@... writes:

>

> >

> > More than likely, she was arrested on 415 P.C.

> > Disturbance of the peace,a Class C in Texas

> > --- wegandy1938@wegandy wrote:

> >

> > > I don't know California law, but I'd say

> negligent

> > > homicide or something like

> > > that. Contributing to death through neglect may

> be

> > > criminal.

> > >

> > > Once before a California DA charged an ER

> physician

> > > with homicide following a

> > > patient death. The case didn't get anywhere, but

> > > as you say, this IS

> > > Col-ee-for-knee- Co

> > >

> > > GG

> > > In a message dated 6/15/07 10:03:45 PM,

> > > larn572001@... writes:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Inquiring minds want to know... On what

> charges?

> > > That sounds too bizarre,

> > > > even for LaLa land...

> > > >

> > > > lnmolino@... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/15/2007 9:39:06 P.M.

> Central

> > > Daylight Time,

> > > > wegandy1938@ wegandy1938@<w

> > > >

> > > > It turns out that the cops had actually

> arrested

> > > this woman before she died,

> > > > so she died in custody.

> > > >

> > > > Oh and the list of defendants just gets longer

> and

> > > longer, cops usually are

> > > > smarter then this.

> > > >

> > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Consu

> > > Freelance Consultant/Traine

> > > > LNMolino@...

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> > > >

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> > > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds

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> > > events; Small minds

> > > > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US

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