T4/Gimpy leg experiment continues

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I started posting about this possible link between MY use of synthetic T4

and tendon issues quiet a while back...

Briefly... I had severe tendon issues in my foot that a doc diagnosed as

Plantar Faciitis due to my being a fat lazy slob and allowing myself to

gain weight... I ended up on crutches for several years.

No job, no insurance no meds..... got desperate and got on line to

learn.. started self treating, but with natural thyroid instead of

synthetic, in a matter of only a few months pain stops, crutches get

retired... within a year I'm walking on my own... not fast.. but solo!!!

When I started supplementing my doses of natural thyroid with synthetic

T4 hoping to improve my levels and feel better... it took many many

months but I started having trouble with the tendons in my leg... It was

seizing up... I was falling down...

I spent a few more months specifically playing with the synthetic T4 to

see if there was a direct cause and effect... and it seemed to be pretty

consistent.... 200 mcg per day doses messed me up.... stop it and I'd be

okay.... so I tried 100 mcg dose for a while.. took a while to have

problems again, stopped taking it, problems stopped....

I started up the synthetic T4 again last November... 25 mcg per day....

then changed it to 100 mcg per week, just a single dose.. My goal was to

see if I could sneak some extra T4 into my system for storage to help me

build up a wee bit quicker....

Well.. got up this morning and my leg was seized. Tendons behind my right

knee are locked up... I've been up 12 hours and it's still stuck...

slightly bent, can't straighten, can't bend it anymore.. it's just

stuck... and HURTS!

I spent the morning doing a lopsided half bent limp waddle getting around

with one leg that is, for all practicality, about six inches shorter than

the other... (picture Quasimodo, the hunchback of Notre Dame.. without

the hunch). I have no idea how long this one will be stuck... in past

'experiments' I would stop the synthetic and in two or three days the

tendons would be happy and loosen up again. but since I've been dosing

only 1 day a week... I've been going five or six days between doses,

depending on which day I take it, and haven't had a dose since last

Thursday.

By the time my morning chores were done my leg and back muscles were

pretty unhappy with me for having pushed to do stuff on off kilter!! not

a fun morning....

I'm feeling a bit better now, over all.. but the last time I eased the

leg to straighten... it still won't....

As long as I leave it to sit in it's 'bend' there is no pain..but try to

bend or straighten.. the tendons are a screaming.

Still wish I knew what it is about my body and synthetic T4... I've never

even heard anyone that had this kind of trouble with it... but then there

probably isn't anyone dumb enough to repeat exposure to something that

causes problems either!!! hehehehehe

This might be the last time I try this until I'm in a position where I

can have frequent labs run to see what the blood levels are when I'm

testing this out.....

Topper ()

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Topper, get yourself a hot bath, and rest!  Hope your feeling tip top by tomorrow :)jackieI started posting about this possible link between MY use of synthetic T4and tendon issues quiet a while back... Briefly... I had severe tendon issues in my foot that a doc diagnosed asPlantar Faciitis due to my being a fat lazy slob and allowing myself togain weight... I ended up on crutches for several years.No job, no insurance no meds..... got desperate and got on line tolearn.. started self treating, but with natural thyroid instead ofsynthetic, in a matter of only a few months pain stops, crutches getretired... within a year I'm walking on my own... not fast.. but solo!!!When I started supplementing my doses of natural thyroid with syntheticT4 hoping to improve my levels and feel better... it took many manymonths but I started having trouble with the tendons in my leg... It wasseizing up... I was falling down... I spent a few more months specifically playing with the synthetic T4 tosee if there was a direct cause and effect... and it seemed to be prettyconsistent.... 200 mcg per day doses messed me up.... stop it and I'd beokay.... so I tried 100 mcg dose for a while.. took a while to haveproblems again, stopped taking it, problems stopped....I started up the synthetic T4 again last November... 25 mcg per day....then changed it to 100 mcg per week, just a single dose.. My goal was tosee if I could sneak some extra T4 into my system for storage to help mebuild up a wee bit quicker.... Well.. got up this morning and my leg was seized. Tendons behind my rightknee are locked up... I've been up 12 hours and it's still stuck...slightly bent, can't straighten, can't bend it anymore.. it's juststuck... and HURTS!I spent the morning doing a lopsided half bent limp waddle getting aroundwith one leg that is, for all practicality, about six inches shorter thanthe other... (picture Quasimodo, the hunchback of Notre Dame.. withoutthe hunch). I have no idea how long this one will be stuck... in past'experiments' I would stop the synthetic and in two or three days thetendons would be happy and loosen up again. but since I've been dosingonly 1 day a week... I've been going five or six days between doses,depending on which day I take it, and haven't had a dose since lastThursday.By the time my morning chores were done my leg and back muscles werepretty unhappy with me for having pushed to do stuff on off kilter!! nota fun morning.... I'm feeling a bit better now, over all.. but the last time I eased theleg to straighten... it still won't.... As long as I leave it to sit in it's 'bend' there is no pain..but try tobend or straighten.. the tendons are a screaming.Still wish I knew what it is about my body and synthetic T4... I've nevereven heard anyone that had this kind of trouble with it... but then thereprobably isn't anyone dumb enough to repeat exposure to something thatcauses problems either!!! heheheheheThis might be the last time I try this until I'm in a position where Ican have frequent labs run to see what the blood levels are when I'mtesting this out..... Topper ()www.thyrophoenix.com/donations.htm www.jordanreimer.comSupport My Music....Jordan Reimer Music

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Thanks Jackie.... But I can't get in an out of the tub with a stuck leg..

Heat, generally, doesn't make the tendons so happy... I THINK it increases the swelling... I wish I knew exactly what is going on in there.. but I've not figured it out... if FEELS like my finger after I messed it up and the tendon froze... My finger could not be bent.. even by someone else trying to bend it.... I ended up having to go to a physical therapist for months for special work in getting it to bend.. it was very very HIGH tech....

The therapist made various size little rubber bands that she'd cut out of stretchy rubbery material that they use for this stuff... and I had to gradually increase the tension on the bands on the finger to get it to bend.. hurt like a beast to do.. and took forever.. be we finally got it to slowly work on bending a bit more each week.. I had to band the finger as often during the day as I thought about it...

My finger is about 99% now... 20 years after the accident I had.... (short story, cut it lengthwise to the bone on a shard of glass slicing the main finger artery, along it's length, from the large knuckle off the end of the finger. Couple of hours of microsurgery put the finger back together but they couldn't stitch the artery so it still leaked for a few days. To make sure that it healed well I was to wear a split on the finger to keep from moving too much and ripping the artery open again and leaking internally after the skin had closed. My boss didn't lighten my work load, the injury had happened at work due to the negligence of another employee, and I ended up crushing the little bone in the finger tip when a box I was unloading from my truck shifted and even though I got my hand out of the way the splinted finger didn't clear it and got crushed. Boy, did I scream!!! I ended up having to wear the splint another six weeks and when they took it off the finger was stuck in the position that the split had kept it in for nearly three months. I was told that I had to decide if I wanted to try therapy or have the finger removed (cut off) cuz with it stuck like that I'd most likely be breaking it a lot cuz of the way it stuck out... it was my index finger, so it wasn't like I was going to having a practical use... such as an excuse for a particular hand gesture to folks I didn't like.... hehehehe Obviously, I chose to try the therapy.. and it worked.. she was awesome!)

Oh, wow (bonks self in forehead) I just realized, after all this time. why I can't get my typing speed up to what it used to be.. it's not old age, it probably isn't just hypo... it's that finger... index finger of the right hand.... that's why I can't get the speed up.. it's a bit slow and no feeling in part of the tip.... duh....

Anyway, I'm trying to mimic that type of therapy with my leg.. gently allowing it to rest in a position that only slightly makes it bend a bit more, and straighten a bit more.. trying to loosen the tendon so that it can relube.. but it's hard to do..

Unlike a finger that you can baby and rest... I have to walk on the leg.. and that ends up straining it all over again.... and as much as I can say I'll just plop my butt and not move for the rest of the day.... I still have to get up to go peeeeeee.... aaahhhhhhh

I might grab the crutches tomorrow and use it if the leg doesn't release over night.... I'll be wrapping it before bed.. to make sure that I don't abuse it in my sleep.....

That bottle of T4 is sealed up.... I'm not playing with it any time soon I don't think!!

Topper ()www.thyrophoenix.com/donations.htm

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:15:50 -0800 Ken & Jackie Reimer writes:

Topper, get yourself a hot bath, and rest! Hope your feeling tip top by tomorrow

jackie

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I really don't like seeing you experiment but then I really do not like

the whole medical situation you are dealing with in regards to

docs..etc. Posts like yours and a few others really make you take a

look at different medical systems.

If you do experiment again..I would hope you could either do a generic

preferabley Eltroxin or at a minium use the 50mcg dose tablets only and

cut and split as needed..although I for one because of allergies have

already been told my options do not include RAI or Synthroid that other

drugs , methods have to be tried ..and this is all cause of

allergies..abou tthe onyl thing my docs all agre eon is no Synthroid

brand and no RAI.

Kats3boys

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Eat some chicken soup Topper. Get an ice pack.

Too much t4 gives me tendon pain too!

~E:)

--- topper2@... wrote:

> Thanks Jackie.... But I can't get in an out of the

> tub with a stuck leg..

>

>

> Heat, generally, doesn't make the tendons so

> happy... I THINK it

> increases the swelling... I wish I knew exactly what

> is going on in

> there.. but I've not figured it out... if FEELS like

> my finger after I

> messed it up and the tendon froze... My finger could

> not be bent.. even

> by someone else trying to bend it.... I ended up

> having to go to a

> physical therapist for months for special work in

> getting it to bend.. it

> was very very HIGH tech....

>

> The therapist made various size little rubber bands

> that she'd cut out of

> stretchy rubbery material that they use for this

> stuff... and I had to

> gradually increase the tension on the bands on the

> finger to get it to

> bend.. hurt like a beast to do.. and took forever..

> be we finally got it

> to slowly work on bending a bit more each week.. I

> had to band the finger

> as often during the day as I thought about it...

>

> My finger is about 99% now... 20 years after the

> accident I had....

> (short story, cut it lengthwise to the bone on a

> shard of glass slicing

> the main finger artery, along it's length, from the

> large knuckle off the

> end of the finger. Couple of hours of microsurgery

> put the finger back

> together but they couldn't stitch the artery so it

> still leaked for a few

> days. To make sure that it healed well I was to wear

> a split on the

> finger to keep from moving too much and ripping the

> artery open again and

> leaking internally after the skin had closed. My

> boss didn't lighten my

> work load, the injury had happened at work due to

> the negligence of

> another employee, and I ended up crushing the little

> bone in the finger

> tip when a box I was unloading from my truck shifted

> and even though I

> got my hand out of the way the splinted finger

> didn't clear it and got

> crushed. Boy, did I scream!!! I ended up having to

> wear the splint

> another six weeks and when they took it off the

> finger was stuck in the

> position that the split had kept it in for nearly

> three months. I was

> told that I had to decide if I wanted to try therapy

> or have the finger

> removed (cut off) cuz with it stuck like that I'd

> most likely be breaking

> it a lot cuz of the way it stuck out... it was my

> index finger, so it

> wasn't like I was going to having a practical use...

> such as an excuse

> for a particular hand gesture to folks I didn't

> like.... hehehehe

> Obviously, I chose to try the therapy.. and it

> worked.. she was awesome!)

>

> Oh, wow (bonks self in forehead) I just realized,

> after all this time.

> why I can't get my typing speed up to what it used

> to be.. it's not old

> age, it probably isn't just hypo... it's that

> finger... index finger of

> the right hand.... that's why I can't get the speed

> up.. it's a bit slow

> and no feeling in part of the tip.... duh....

>

> Anyway, I'm trying to mimic that type of therapy

> with my leg.. gently

> allowing it to rest in a position that only slightly

> makes it bend a bit

> more, and straighten a bit more.. trying to loosen

> the tendon so that it

> can relube.. but it's hard to do..

>

> Unlike a finger that you can baby and rest... I have

> to walk on the leg..

> and that ends up straining it all over again.... and

> as much as I can say

> I'll just plop my butt and not move for the rest of

> the day.... I still

> have to get up to go peeeeeee.... aaahhhhhhh

>

> I might grab the crutches tomorrow and use it if the

> leg doesn't release

> over night.... I'll be wrapping it before bed.. to

> make sure that I don't

> abuse it in my sleep.....

>

> That bottle of T4 is sealed up.... I'm not playing

> with it any time soon

> I don't think!!

>

> Topper ()

> www.thyrophoenix.com/donations.htm

>

>

> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:15:50 -0800 Ken & Jackie

> Reimer

> quest4us@...> writes:

> Topper, get yourself a hot bath, and rest! Hope

> your feeling tip top by

> tomorrow

>

>

> jackie

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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