Re: [EMS-L] Discussion question : EMS retention

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I highly disagree Wes. There have been a couple of places I would have been

long term had they paid better. The working conditions were good, the managers

were supportive, the CE's excellent. Yet the pay was so bad that I wasn't able

to support my family.

Tom LeNeveu

Tom & Marsha LeNeveu

Paramedic, Future RN & RN

Fort Worth Texas

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I've got a hypothesis I'd like to propose for discussion.

I believe that it's working conditions/environment, NOT salary/wages, that drive

people from EMS. I believe that we know the payscale when we accept the job.

We don't leave because of that. Rather we leave because of poor management, poor

working conditions, etc.

And I also believe that, despite protests to the contrary, management finds it

easier to raise wages than to actually improve working conditions. It's easier

to find money for raises than it is to change mindsets or working conditions.

Discuss.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

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[Guest guest]

> I've got a hypothesis I'd like to propose for discussion.

>

> I believe that it's working conditions/environment, NOT salary/wages,

that drive people from EMS. I believe that we know the payscale when we

accept the job. We don't leave because of that. Rather we leave because

of poor management, poor working conditions, etc.

I would agree with that hypothesis. We in EMS haven't really figured

out a good way to grow our own managers and you see alot of people

moving around to escape a supervisor. As for poor working conditions,

compared to most jobs even ideal EMS working conditions are poor. Lack

of career paths off of the street are going to cause people to leave for

more stable conditions in other industries.

> And I also believe that, despite protests to the contrary, management

finds it easier to raise wages than to actually improve working

conditions. It's easier to find money for raises than it is to change

mindsets or working conditions.

I think you are right there as well. The problem with that philosophy

is that money does not motivate people to improve their performance.

Money will keep them at work and motivate minimal performance but thats

about it.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

I dont want to necessarily link the two together but as we have been

seeing posts on why employees leave companies and why; we now see two

posts from guardian asking for employees for two different

locations... one new one old.

I ask does this seem to be a prime example... on one hand expanding so

quickly with the goal of covering as much territory as possible and

generating the most income while at the same time neglecting its

existing employees to the point that the company seems to be bleeding

employees and so many (and I have spoken with many ex employees over

the past year)say they wouldn't go back because of the low pay and

poor employee treatment. Many list never ending shifts with no down

time allowed and are threatened with dismissal for complaining, or

even for asking for working equipment.

Is this a company who has lost sight of its duty to patients and

employees simply for the sake of money.

I personally dont have a problem with guardian, never worked for them.

But if these are the complaints from quite a few ex employees.. do

they honestly think they will attract or retain people. If they see so

many leaving have they tried to change? If so how... Is it working? It

doesnt appear so but again I am not there day to day...

>

> Guardian EMS is currently seeking EMTs and

> Paramedics (Full time and Part time) for it's west

> region operation

> in the Brownwood area. Guardian's primary business

> goal

> is to focus on providing Emergency Medical Services to

> Rural

> Communities across the State of Texas. We also

> presently provide

> services to hospitals, skilled nursing facilities,

> medical centers,

> as well as private residents for all ambulance

> transports.

>

> We are interested in hiring extraordinary individuals

> who want to

> make a difference and who can be a team member on a

> superior team. We

> strive to provide excellent and compassionate patient

> care along with

> professional customer service. We offer competative

> wages based on

> many factors.

>

> Guardian EMS also offers a comprehensive benefit

> package for our

> employees. We are an emergency medical service

> provider and we want

> to make sure our employees have the options available

> to them for

> their personal and family insurance protection, with

> the ability save

> for their future financial security. The following is

> a list of our

> benefits.

>

> Medical and Dental Insurance package

>

> Basic Employee Life insurance

>

> Retirement Plan with a Company Matching Program

>

> Voluntary Benefits (Additional Retirement Plans,

> College Planning,

> Investments, Life Insurance)

>

> Paid Time Off

>

> Holiday Pay

>

> Flexible Scheduling

>

> Tuition Reimbursement/ Assistance Program

>

> Interested candidates should check out our website at

> www.guardian- ems.com and fill out an application.

>

>

> Dwayne EMT-P

> Assistant Director of Operations

> Guardian EMS, West Division

> 1501 4th Street

> Brownwood TX 76801

> dharris@...

> Cell:

> Office:

>

>

>

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