Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Does anyone know of any EMS system that has its own in-house counsel? In the alternative, what arrangements does your EMS agency have for legal counsel? Self-interestedly yours, Wes Ogilvie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 All 3rd services should through the City Legal Department. I know we do. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I agree, but that was not the question. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I have served as an expert witness for several big city operations. While not an attorney, I can tell you that the private defense firms mount a much better defense than any city attorney I have dealt with. Medical malpractice is among the more complicated areas of law and the attorney should be familiar with health care. His or her knowledge of the zoning laws does little to help the defendant EMT or city. BEB From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of rachfoote@... Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:20 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Legal question All 3rd services should through the City Legal Department. I know we do. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I can tell you this, most City Attorney's are the othersides best asset (i.e. they generally are not capable of doing other types of law practice so they are city attorneys) Just my 2 cents worth Lee From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:48 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: Legal question I have served as an expert witness for several big city operations. While not an attorney, I can tell you that the private defense firms mount a much better defense than any city attorney I have dealt with. Medical malpractice is among the more complicated areas of law and the attorney should be familiar with health care. His or her knowledge of the zoning laws does little to help the defendant EMT or city. BEB From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of rachfoote@... <mailto:rachfoote%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:20 PM To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Legal question All 3rd services should through the City Legal Department. I know we do. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 I think what Wes was asking was about " in-house legal counsel, " not the services of the City Attorney or County Attorney. These guys and gals typically don't know a Band-Aid from a traction splint and can often either give scant attention to EMS questions or give poor advice. I know that in my travels doing the HIPAA seminars (I did 56 eight hour seminars in 2003) I found that the city and county attorneys either knew nothing about it, cared nothing about it, or has asked some hospital person about it and generally got it wrong. So what I believe Wes is asking is, who has an in-house attorney separate from the city or county legal departments. Of course the giants like AMR and R/M and probably Acadian do. ETMC EMS uses a private firm, IIRC. GG ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 The insurance carriers use private defense firms. However, they may or may not know much about EMS. Typically they're the same ones who represent doctors and hospitals and the issues can be quite different. I have done lots of consulting with those firms and generally assist them in formulating interrogatories and deposition questions. Many of them don't know what EMS standard of care is. Lots of them have nurses on staff and they rely on them for backup, sometimes to their detriment. That being said, I agree with that they are far better than city attorneys or county attorneys in defending cases against EMS. The plaintiffs' attorneys may be very knowledgeable or clueless. I have told lots of plaintiffs' attorneys that they didn't have a case, when they thought they did. No attorney should get involved in an EMS case without consulting with an expert like or one of the rest of us who do this. Gene G. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 In a message dated 4/24/2007 3:55:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wegandy1938@... writes: These guys and gals typically don't know a Band-Aid from a traction splint and can often either give scant attention to EMS questions or give poor advice. Yes true but you are also describing a few EMS Managers I know. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 In a message dated 4/24/2007 3:55:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wegandy1938@... writes: Of course the giants like AMR and R/M and probably Acadian do. ETMC EMS uses a private firm, IIRC. not just the giants. The small (80 person) firm I worked for in NJ made a point to hire a business attorney that was an active EMT as well as a Firefighter even though his office was in another county. We knew his JD and background was sound but we wanted a person that was aware of the nature of the animal we were. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Wise move. And what you say about EMS managers is correct. G > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2007 3:55:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > wegandy1938@wegandy writes: > > Of course the giants like AMR and R/M and probably Acadian do. ETMC EMS > uses a private firm, IIRC. > > not just the giants. The small (80 person) firm I worked for in NJ made a > point to hire a business attorney that was an active EMT as well as a > Firefighter even though his office was in another county. We knew his JD and > background was sound but we wanted a person that was aware of the nature of > the animal > we were. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/ > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consultant/Traine > LNMolino@... > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only > for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by > the > original author. > > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>*********http://www.aol.http > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Yes Gene, we have a legal department that covers all possible aspects of legal involvement, not just litigation defense. Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P American Medical Response 7509 South Freeway Houston, Texas 77346 Re: Legal question I think what Wes was asking was about " in-house legal counsel, " not the services of the City Attorney or County Attorney. These guys and gals typically don't know a Band-Aid from a traction splint and can often either give scant attention to EMS questions or give poor advice. I know that in my travels doing the HIPAA seminars (I did 56 eight hour seminars in 2003) I found that the city and county attorneys either knew nothing about it, cared nothing about it, or has asked some hospital person about it and generally got it wrong. So what I believe Wes is asking is, who has an in-house attorney separate from the city or county legal departments. Of course the giants like AMR and R/M and probably Acadian do. ETMC EMS uses a private firm, IIRC. GG ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Thats why I should never have opened my big mouth about the City Attorney, even though I knew that ignorance was the correct answer, I forgot I was an EMS Manager and was on the hit list as such. Andy Foote EMS Manager EMS Manager season is open all year. You don't need a license, just the okay from Mr.'s Molino and Gandy. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Andy knows that I don't put him into the category of poor managers. There are enough others to go around. And I suspect Andy knows who a bunch of them are. Andy, you're one of the good guys. Gene > > Thats why I should never have opened my big mouth about the City Attorney, > even though I knew that ignorance was the correct answer, I forgot I was an > EMS > Manager and was on the hit list as such. > > Andy Foote > EMS Manager > > EMS Manager season is open all year. You don't need a license, just the > okay from Mr.'s Molino and Gandy. > > ************ ******** ******** ************<wbr>*********http://www.aol.http > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 I plead the 5th, but I thank you anyway. andy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 LMAO...yeah, there are a number of people with their sights trained in your direction, all you have to do is poke your head over the wall.... Re: Legal question Thats why I should never have opened my big mouth about the City Attorney, even though I knew that ignorance was the correct answer, I forgot I was an EMS Manager and was on the hit list as such. Andy Foote EMS Manager EMS Manager season is open all year. You don't need a license, just the okay from Mr.'s Molino and Gandy. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol. <http://www.aol.com.> com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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