Re: Special Needs Kids Locked In Confinement For Discipline Problems

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The highschool i went to had one of those rooms. it was still maby 8 by 8

room but it was an empty room with only a carpet. I remember volenteering at

the highschool. I would cringe when they would bring one of the " behavior

issue " kids in that room to be by themselves.

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Unfortunately I live in the lovely state that this story comes from. Fortunately

the school where my sons go to school and I teach DO NOT have one of these. The

teacher I work with said we cannot even put a child in time out without parental

permission. I was appalled the first time I heard about these boxes.

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I was wondering if any of yall had heard of this. I watched the video and

was appauled.

chrystal

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id call that getting rid of the child nto fixing the prob wich as swe no in

here coul coem from many things one of them being charge

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> Unfortunately I live in the lovely state that this story comes from.

> Fortunately the school where my sons go to school and I teach DO NOT have

> one of these. The teacher I work with said we cannot even put a child in

> time out without parental permission. I was appalled the first time I heard

> about these boxes.

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> http://www.kutv.com/video/?id=22834 (AT) kutv (DOT) dayport.com_

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> I was wondering if any of yall had heard of this. I watched the video and

> was appauled.

> chrystal

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I agree Ellen, confinment box rooms are not whats needed. They should have a

snoozlen room, not a dark closet!

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I have seen time out rooms in classrooms, not boxes used. I have no

idea how this box was used in Utah however I had been an aide in a

classroom where the room was needed. There are procedures in place

that need to be followed. In the situation I was in, it was a last

resort. One of the kids used it to refocus himself. He placed

himself in the room. Another student had to be placed in there for

the safety of that child, the other students, as well as staff...me

being one of them. It was so hard on everyone invovled. I was so

conflicted! But you could not reason with the child until they could

calm some, listen, and communicate themselves. But both children

actually only spent a few minutes in there and they were able to

rejoin the class after it. And the teacher and other support staff

were then able to talk WITH the child. The class got back to

learning.

Be careful what the media represents. I have no doubt that in the

video, the box looks appalling and if the school didn't follow

protocol then it is horrible. But being in the situation, I have a

different perspective if it is done for the good or the safety of the

child. I have had to help carry angry children to their chairs,

assist with restraint so no one gets hurt and my hearts bleeds for

them...and these were kids without emotional issues. These were just

kids who were mad because they had to go to Art class. And I've been

in classes where some of these kids have emotional issues. They need

a safe place to let down and not get hurt or hurt anyone in the

process. Be your child's advocate. Make sure that you know and

understand procedures. If your child has emotional concerns, be a

presence in the school. Provide input. Yes, it is the schools'

responsibility to provide free and appropriate education. But it

takes a special person to be an educator to those who provide

challenges. I have seen first hand exceptional teachers in special

education who have their hands tied either by the school district or

parents. Be involved.

Colleen

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> I was wondering if any of yall had heard of this. I watched the

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> was appauled.

> chrystal

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I also worked for 3 years in a " Socially, Emotionly Disturbed "

classroom for elementary students that had a time out room. It was

not like the one in the video in that it was free standing with soft

walls. There were no doorknobs or locks on it at all. The teacher

would lean against the door or have a chair against it. The only time

it was used was when a child became violent. I was only witness to

it's use twice in 3 years. One case was a child went completely out

of control. Running around the room overturning desks and ripping

things down from shelves and walls. (and just how does a 6 year old

get to this point) My job was to remove other students from the room

if something like this happened. Once he was in time out I brought

other students back into the room. The student was brought out of

time out immediatly when he calmed down. You would not believe the

strenght of this little one while he was having an episode. The other

time was the first day of school for a little boy who did not want to

come to school. Both parents literally carried him into the room by

his hands and feet. We had to resort to time out because it became

impossible to hold on to him. He stripped himself naked, throwing

each piece of clothing out of the time out room, shoes and all. Then

hands and feet on opposite walls shimmered himself to top of the room

and spit right in the teachers face.

While it was good that the inappropiatness of the video time out room

was brought to the publics eye, not all time out rooms are

inappropiate when designed to be a safe room. Also their should be

strict guidlines in place as to what situations require use of it.

I want to share something from my own experience. Most of these kids

behavior shadowed their home situations. Allot of times there was

neglect and abuse in their home situations. Henry and I both came

from disfunctional backgrounds. His father was an alcohalic and

commited suicide when he was 7. My dad was an abusive alcohalic. We

fostered special needs and hard to place teenagers for 10 years of

our marriage. With this kind of background in your own life you can

recognise it in a childs behavior. I stopped working in the classroom

because I became frustrated. To many times nothing was done in the

home situation of these kids. They ended up carrying the labels for

what was lacking in their parents. The welfare system does to much to

protect the sanctity of the family and sacrafice the kids. As a

foster parent I saw kids repeatidly sent back into situations that

hadn't improved only to be uprooted again and again.

Oh boy, gotta get off my soapbox here. Henry keeps telling me to run

for office. LOL To many people know me and don't like me at that

level. LOL

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Colleen,

Thanks for this concise and accurate response.

pam

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victoria there are a few parents who could join you there in office want to

start a campaingue lol

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> Colleen,

> Thanks for this concise and accurate response.

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> Pamela J. , M.A., CAGS

> Licensed Educational Psychologist

> Deafblind Program

> Perkins School for the Blind

> 175 N. Beacon St.

> Watertown, MA 02472

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Ellen

Dont forget a few charge adults too...

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lol ;yeh us tro lol

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Okay now, if we're going to put ourselves in office than it has to be

a high office at state/federal level. If I get in I want to be able

to kick a-- in improving special needs issues.

Acually I have been offered jobs along the way but dont's want my

hands tied by someone signing a paycheck. Hubby is wonderful in

supporting my activities.

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> > Pamela J. , M.A., CAGS

> > Licensed Educational Psychologist

> > Deafblind Program

> > Perkins School for the Blind

> > 175 N. Beacon St.

> > Watertown, MA 02472

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