Re: Troll doin' a jiggity jig

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A troll? On your chest... doing a jig??

I'll spare you the visual I got from that! *woah* hehehe

How soon after you dosed did he 'show up'?

Just trying to see if there is a direct correlation between the dose and

the dance....

....how long did he stick around after the dose, or did he stay for

dessert??

I'm laughing to hard to type!!! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:45:20 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

lyongillespie@...> writes:

> Thanks Topper... MY heart IS doing flip flops...and I

> feel like there is a troll in my chest...doing some

> kind of jig.

>

> ~E:)

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Topper:

Well...it is pretty funny. You know its hard to come

up with the 'scientific " verbiage on this kind of

action!

Actually..I have the thing all day, but I don't wake

up with it so bad. It only gets bad after I take my

first dose...and stays with me to bed.

I did reduce my Armour intake five days ago, and the

sleep thing is getting better. I had no broken sleep

last night for the first time in a few days. AS you

know sometimes its a neighbor interupption

thing...sometimes its me. Not always easy to tell the

difference.

I should think in another week...the jig will get a

little more mild if I keep going with my lower dose of

Armour.

~E:)

--- topper2@... wrote:

> A troll? On your chest... doing a jig??

>

> I'll spare you the visual I got from that! *woah*

> hehehe

>

> How soon after you dosed did he 'show up'?

>

> Just trying to see if there is a direct correlation

> between the dose and

> the dance....

>

> ...how long did he stick around after the dose, or

> did he stay for

> dessert??

>

> I'm laughing to hard to type!!! hehehehe

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:45:20 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

> lyongillespie@...> writes:

> > Thanks Topper... MY heart IS doing flip

> flops...and I

> > feel like there is a troll in my chest...doing

> some

> > kind of jig.

> >

> > ~E:)

>

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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It is hard to come up with the term... and I might have been mean to

tease you, I'm sorry about that... .. but the visual.. and how accurately

it describes what I've had myself.. it just 'fit'.....

Okay... so it's kicking in right away in the morning.. think of it and

your dose... you wake... you dose... how much time after dosing does the

troll start dancing? What is your first dose and how much?

What I'm wondering is if this is an adrenal thing in ADDITION to the

dose....

We are both dealing with inconsiderate night noise.... that wakes us.....

then there is the anticipatory adrenal waking.. when you get a lot of

inconsiderate night noise waking, sometimes the adrenals will pick up on

ANYTHING, expecting it to be that inconsiderate noise... .... stress

factor... do you follow?

When the adrenals readjust and get to more consistent firing.. that's

when we get to have a better waking up.. and a better shutting down/going

to sleep.

Have you been monitoring waking temp? How has that been looking? Has it

gone up a bit, stays pretty consistent, or varies?

You and I may end up comparing notes as far as dealing with the night

noise.... I for sure hope that your's can be fixed... mine, not much hope

of that for a while..but it might be of benefit to be able to compare

notes with getting around the 'startled wake' thing happening....

I'm rambling.. I'll shush....

I'm watching " Signs " I love this movie!!!

Topper ()

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:32:36 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

lyongillespie@...> writes:

> Topper:

>

> Well...it is pretty funny. You know its hard to come

> up with the 'scientific " verbiage on this kind of

> action!

>

> Actually..I have the thing all day, but I don't wake

> up with it so bad. It only gets bad after I take my

> first dose...and stays with me to bed.

>

> I did reduce my Armour intake five days ago, and the

> sleep thing is getting better. I had no broken sleep

> last night for the first time in a few days. AS you

> know sometimes its a neighbor interupption

> thing...sometimes its me. Not always easy to tell the

> difference.

>

> I should think in another week...the jig will get a

> little more mild if I keep going with my lower dose of

> Armour.

>

> ~E:)

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--- topper2@... wrote:

> It is hard to come up with the term... and I might

> have been mean to

> tease you, I'm sorry about that... .. but the

> visual.. and how accurately

> it describes what I've had myself.. it just

> 'fit'.....

You are not mean!!! LOL!!! Now that is really funny!

>

> Okay... so it's kicking in right away in the

> morning.. think of it and

> your dose... you wake... you dose... how much time

> after dosing does the

> troll start dancing? What is your first dose and

> how much?

When I'm laying in bed, I'm waking up thinking..

GREAT, I slept through. WHEW! Check the clock and

then I remember I feel like a slug and it will take a

lot of effort to move. THEN..it occurs to me that the

troll is kicking..and that as soon as I take my first

dose of 30 mgs HE sure will.

>

> What I'm wondering is if this is an adrenal thing in

> ADDITION to the

> dose....

YES...my adrenals tested high first thing in the

AM...and that correlates to my energy level. I have

more energy to wash dishes and clean and stuff first

thing usually...IF I don't have a horrible migraine.

NOW....if you care to entertain something new...namely

my theory...

I think that adrenal reaction is a sign that one is

taking too much thyroid med ESPECIALLY if one never

had signs like this before taking the medication.

LIKE in my case. I HAVE never felt this kind of thing

before and gather pretty much its ADRENAL. When I run

into it...I know that a med tweak,reduction is in

order.

I've been trying to get away from this particular

episode for about two months..which is about the same

time the REAL...actual potent t4 probably started to

build and take hold.

SO...it all kind of adds up.

I SHOULD think that I can..(if I wanted to) keep

tweaking that Armour down...making sure I don't lose

too much ground with the t4..side, OR....I could even

reduce the ARmour down to say 15...or 30 mgs...and

if it shows itself to take me HYPO...I could take some

adrenal support isocort.

(isocort makes me break out)

Either way...I think I could get better, but I think

FOR me...I want to mess with just the thyroid stuff

for now.

The noise is a problem if I am reluctant to go to

bed..thinking I'll only be tortured by it or, if I do

fall asleep and it wakes me up..too early after

staying up late trying to avoid it.

I'll probably make some fire and brimstone happen this

week, if this continues.

I think I'm close..so close to being in a good sleep

rythem...with the worste of what is the adrenal stuff

peaking out this week before my week old tweak takes

hold.

You are gonna have to do things different from me...I

feel so bad for you. I wish could help. Maybe when I

get a little better I can some how...

Signs is AWESOME...

~E:)

>

> We are both dealing with inconsiderate night

> noise.... that wakes us.....

> then there is the anticipatory adrenal waking.. when

> you get a lot of

> inconsiderate night noise waking, sometimes the

> adrenals will pick up on

> ANYTHING, expecting it to be that inconsiderate

> noise... .... stress

> factor... do you follow?

>

> When the adrenals readjust and get to more

> consistent firing.. that's

> when we get to have a better waking up.. and a

> better shutting down/going

> to sleep.

>

> Have you been monitoring waking temp? How has that

> been looking? Has it

> gone up a bit, stays pretty consistent, or varies?

>

> You and I may end up comparing notes as far as

> dealing with the night

> noise.... I for sure hope that your's can be

> fixed... mine, not much hope

> of that for a while..but it might be of benefit to

> be able to compare

> notes with getting around the 'startled wake' thing

> happening....

>

> I'm rambling.. I'll shush....

>

> I'm watching " Signs " I love this movie!!!

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:32:36 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

> lyongillespie@...> writes:

> > Topper:

> >

> > Well...it is pretty funny. You know its hard to

> come

> > up with the 'scientific " verbiage on this kind of

> > action!

> >

> > Actually..I have the thing all day, but I don't

> wake

> > up with it so bad. It only gets bad after I take

> my

> > first dose...and stays with me to bed.

> >

> > I did reduce my Armour intake five days ago, and

> the

> > sleep thing is getting better. I had no broken

> sleep

> > last night for the first time in a few days. AS

> you

> > know sometimes its a neighbor interupption

> > thing...sometimes its me. Not always easy to tell

> the

> > difference.

> >

> > I should think in another week...the jig will get

> a

> > little more mild if I keep going with my lower

> dose of

> > Armour.

> >

> > ~E:)

>

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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I had an awesome sleep last night...

I decided to go to bed and 'pretend' that I was someplace else... So much

of the 'intrusion waking' stuff ends up being anticipatory.. you end up

going to bed with an attitude.

I turned up my white noise... I snuggled down into bed.. and I told

myself a story... in a soft whisper voice (don't go fallen on the floor

laughing) I was setting myself up for a dream.. and sure enough.. I fell

asleep and the story I started with is the dream that I continued on

with.... I woke to roll over once during the night and then just a few

minutes before the alarm would have gone off.

I woke up feeling REALLY good this morning.. for a change...

Got a bit over 7 hours of sleep... so nearly double what I get a lot of

nights....

I'm glad that you're okay with the Troll description/definition.. if fits

so well we may just have to keep using that one.... ehehehe

Topper ()

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--- topper2@... wrote:

> I had an awesome sleep last night...

ME too!!! I don't have any milk and that really

sucked (I left it in the car and it exploded after it

froze)..I don't know if I should still drink it. I'm

kind of scared.

BUT...I still jumped in the shower, and took my three

melatonin drops, and ate a couple crackers. I didn't

even get through Saturday Night Live 12;30 AM.....and

I was out like a light.

(I know I have an odd ritual, but the hot shower helps

to sooth the muscles)

I just woke up at 8:45 am....which is a pretty good

sleep. THIS has been for TWO nights in a row!!!!

Whhhhooooohhhoooooo!

I've had a VERY rough week staying here and getting

woken up and then staying at Ma's and getting killed

by the forced heat, waking up with headbangers that

lasted all day.

Maybe today, If I go on Troll-strike (aka..skip the

armour for today, and maybe a reduction just for a

couple days)...I'll get back into a flow.

Its really pretty funny...that I don't have any other

really hyper symptoms, no shaking or anything, just

this chest palply jiggy thing. I think this means I'm

close, but no cigar yet. HeHe.....

My head is still kind of strange though...I feel kind

of headachey and kind of spacey still. THAT aggrivates

me to no end. I think I am thinking clearer....even

if I still go in circles. LOL

No matter what...I have to keep telling myself, I'm

better than this time last year, and I just have to be

on the last leg of the journey.

Every now and again I hear a little of my real

personality come out...and I get all excited...

~E:)

>

> I decided to go to bed and 'pretend' that I was

> someplace else... So much

> of the 'intrusion waking' stuff ends up being

> anticipatory.. you end up

> going to bed with an attitude.

>

> I turned up my white noise... I snuggled down into

> bed.. and I told

> myself a story... in a soft whisper voice (don't go

> fallen on the floor

> laughing) I was setting myself up for a dream.. and

> sure enough.. I fell

> asleep and the story I started with is the dream

> that I continued on

> with.... I woke to roll over once during the night

> and then just a few

> minutes before the alarm would have gone off.

>

> I woke up feeling REALLY good this morning.. for a

> change...

>

> Got a bit over 7 hours of sleep... so nearly double

> what I get a lot of

> nights....

>

> I'm glad that you're okay with the Troll

> description/definition.. if fits

> so well we may just have to keep using that one....

> ehehehe

>

> Topper ()

>

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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You can safely freeze milk, thaw and use.... it's a way that I often

stored milk when I didnt' use much at one time.... Now I use powdered.

Just put the frozen milk in the fridge and let it thaw, make sure that if

the container is split that it's in a bowl or something big enough to

catch what leaks out...

Then when it's all thawed give it a stir or shake and it's good to go.

Don't let it thaw out on the counter or table.. if you forget and it

warms up it can go bad. .. that is not a good thing.

I don't like to get my hair wet before bed, it's long and ends up being

damp all night... and I wake up looking really strange... but I do like

to do sponge baths before bed... with a nice smelling soap, and combining

that with the MLD massage I do for my lymph... it's very soothing, and

for me, mellows me to be ready to be all comfy and cozy for sleeping.

Your goofy head feeling.... are you getting enough water..? I feel like

that if I'm not drinking enough.. especially on winter mornings... all

the moisture loss during the night in the dry air and not drinking

anything all night...

Topper ()

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:21:27 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

lyongillespie@...> writes:

>

> --- topper2@... wrote:

>

> > I had an awesome sleep last night...

>

> ME too!!! I don't have any milk and that really

> sucked (I left it in the car and it exploded after it

> froze)..I don't know if I should still drink it. I'm

> kind of scared.

>

> BUT...I still jumped in the shower, and took my three

> melatonin drops, and ate a couple crackers. I didn't

> even get through Saturday Night Live 12;30 AM.....and

> I was out like a light.

>

> (I know I have an odd ritual, but the hot shower helps

> to sooth the muscles)

>

> I just woke up at 8:45 am....which is a pretty good

> sleep. THIS has been for TWO nights in a row!!!!

> Whhhhooooohhhoooooo!

>

> I've had a VERY rough week staying here and getting

> woken up and then staying at Ma's and getting killed

> by the forced heat, waking up with headbangers that

> lasted all day.

>

> Maybe today, If I go on Troll-strike (aka..skip the

> armour for today, and maybe a reduction just for a

> couple days)...I'll get back into a flow.

>

> Its really pretty funny...that I don't have any other

> really hyper symptoms, no shaking or anything, just

> this chest palply jiggy thing. I think this means I'm

> close, but no cigar yet. HeHe.....

>

> My head is still kind of strange though...I feel kind

> of headachey and kind of spacey still. THAT aggrivates

> me to no end. I think I am thinking clearer....even

> if I still go in circles. LOL

>

> No matter what...I have to keep telling myself, I'm

> better than this time last year, and I just have to be

> on the last leg of the journey.

>

> Every now and again I hear a little of my real

> personality come out...and I get all excited...

>

>

> ~E:)

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Topper:

Thanks for the milk tips.

Who knew???

Ain't it funny how I am getting the skin-wrinklies

this afternoon because I skipped the Armour this

morning?

The troll jig has lightened up...so that is a good

thing...but I hate the skin thing.

~E:)

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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That is exactly my problem with the Armour, it is way too fickle for me. I'd rather run and 90% most days than to go back and forth all the time. I'm getting stable again now. It's not perfect, but it's predictable... Judy

Ain't it funny how I am getting the skin-wrinklies this afternoon because I skipped the Armour this morning?

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Describe your skin wrinklies.. I'm not getting a picture forming in my

mind....

Used to take milk camping like that, frozen... saved space in the

cooler..the milk was frozen in ziplock bags and taken out as needed, in

the mean time it was also the ice that kept the food cold!! hehehehe

The troll needed a break.. but I'd venture this is an issue where your

heart just wasn't used to what was going on.... take it slower and give

it a bit more time to adjust... .

Topper ()

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:42:34 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

lyongillespie@...> writes:

> Topper:

>

> Thanks for the milk tips.

>

> Who knew???

>

> Ain't it funny how I am getting the skin-wrinklies

> this afternoon because I skipped the Armour this

> morning?

>

> The troll jig has lightened up...so that is a good

> thing...but I hate the skin thing.

>

> ~E:)

[Guest guest]

Topper:

I tried drinking the milk straight...and it kinda

scared me. Maybe it was a little off to begin with?

The skin wrinklies...fish skin...ya know that stuff

that older people get sometimes? It looks puckered?

It goes away with a jacked up t3, and naturally I

didn't have anything like this before they yanked my

thyroid. Always looked super youthful.

~E:)

--- topper2@... wrote:

> Describe your skin wrinklies.. I'm not getting a

> picture forming in my

> mind....

>

> Used to take milk camping like that, frozen... saved

> space in the

> cooler..the milk was frozen in ziplock bags and

> taken out as needed, in

> the mean time it was also the ice that kept the food

> cold!! hehehehe

>

> The troll needed a break.. but I'd venture this is

> an issue where your

> heart just wasn't used to what was going on.... take

> it slower and give

> it a bit more time to adjust... .

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:42:34 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie

> lyongillespie@...> writes:

> > Topper:

> >

> > Thanks for the milk tips.

> >

> > Who knew???

> >

> > Ain't it funny how I am getting the skin-wrinklies

> > this afternoon because I skipped the Armour this

> > morning?

> >

> > The troll jig has lightened up...so that is a good

> > thing...but I hate the skin thing.

> >

> > ~E:)

>

Day after day, day after day,

We stuck, nor breath nor motion;

As idle as a painted ship

Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,

And all the boards did shrink;

Water, water, everywhere,

Nor any drop to drink.

~The Ancient Mariner

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interesting.... I get this sometimes and always atributed it to lack of water. usually the water gets rid of it, but sometimes only the pills do.

cool.

Re: Troll doin' a jiggity jig

Topper:I tried drinking the milk straight...and it kindascared me. Maybe it was a little off to begin with?The skin wrinklies...fish skin...ya know that stuffthat older people get sometimes? It looks puckered?It goes away with a jacked up t3, and naturally Ididn't have anything like this before they yanked mythyroid. Always looked super youthful.~E:)--- topper2 (AT) juno (DOT) com wrote:> Describe your skin wrinklies.. I'm not getting a> picture forming in my> mind.... > > Used to take milk camping like that, frozen... saved> space in the> cooler..the milk was frozen in ziplock bags and> taken out as needed, in> the mean time it was also the ice that kept the food> cold!! hehehehe> > The troll needed a break.. but I'd venture this is> an issue where your> heart just wasn't used to what was going on.... take> it slower and give> it a bit more time to adjust... .> > Topper ()> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:42:34 -0800 (PST) E Gillespie> <lyongillespie (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes:> > Topper:> > > > Thanks for the milk tips.> > > > Who knew???> > > > Ain't it funny how I am getting the skin-wrinklies> > this afternoon because I skipped the Armour this> > morning? > > > > The troll jig has lightened up...so that is a good> > thing...but I hate the skin thing. > > > > ~E:)> Day after day, day after day,We stuck, nor breath nor motion;As idle as a painted shipUpon a painted ocean.Water, water, everywhere,And all the boards did shrink;Water, water, everywhere,Nor any drop to drink.~The Ancient Mariner__________________________________________________________Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html